Mea Culpa on Palin: She Sucks.

by: canadian gal

Tue Apr 14, 2009 at 21:56:26 PM EDT

(cross posted at kickin it with cg)

Matt - one of the reasons I started my site is because I know so many on the so-called left who secretly admire Sarah Palin for various reasons but can't reconcile it politically or acknowledge it publicly.

There are a LOT of us.

I think there is a way to do both - critique her whackadoodle aspects and enjoy other things about her, the diva/pretty tomboy notwithstanding.

She is something totally new down here. I'd rather deal with it than try and repress it away, because we know where repression lands us.

Plus, she's just flat out totally sexy. Just because I say so doesn't mean I'm ever going to vote for her lol

Well - that pretty much sums up how I felt about Sarah Palin up until about 5 minutes ago. True that I often cringed with the winking, Clinton references and the strange phrasings - but usually it was with a smile.  I despised the sexism Palin was a subject to and was saddened to see my fellow progressives go so far astray from their values when it came to 'Bible Spice' and 'Caribou Barbie.'

But it would appear that I was dead wrong about this horrible person.

Wayne Anthony Ross, her choice for attorney general, has an alleged fondness for rape jokes and doesn't like homosexuals.

Ross, who once described gay people as "immoral degenerates," was quizzed this week about how he would view cases involving homosexuality as the state's top legislator.

"Let me give you an analogy - I hate lima beans," Ross told a legislative hearing into his nomination.

"I've never liked lima beans. But if I was hired to represent the United Vegetable Growers, would you ask me if I liked lima beans? No. If I disliked lima beans? No. Because my job is to represent the United Vegetable Growers."

A letter from Leah Burton, a lobbyist on children's issues and domestic violence, has caused an uproar, hogging headlines and infuriating some of Alaska's most outspoken bloggers, who play a critical role in reporting politics in the remote and far-flung state.

Burton alleges that in 1991, she heard Ross say at public meeting that domestic violence "wouldn't be an issue if women would learn to keep their mouth shut."

At the hearing, Ross denied making that statement, and also denied making the suggestion in the same conversation that it was acceptable for a man to rape his wife.

For the sake of Alaskans I only hope that she is out of office soon enough. To my fellow progressives - I apologize for the folly of my ways.

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seriously - sorry. (2.00 / 12)

"I spend my days and nights pondering the meaning of life, the state of the universe, and the Home Shopping Network." -- Donald Roller Wilson

I could be really understanding and comforting, (2.00 / 12)
or I could gloat.

oh, the pressure of decisions..... ;~)

John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."

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Better be late than never..:) (2.00 / 10)

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Heh, admittedly, (2.00 / 7)
I never understood your stance on her. The one time you and I had a tiff of sorts, it was over something my grandmother (and subsequently I) said about Palin.

Palin is a woman, and a widely loved political figure. As such, she was necessarily going to get a lot of praise, admiration, or leeway from a lot of women who either looked up to her, felt sorry for her, or simply tolerated her for whatever reason. She is also a widely hated political figure, and thus she was necessarily going to bring out the worst in those who despise her. If she'd been a fat old dude, there would have been a lot of ageist, fatist (new category of discrimination?) jokes. But she's a woman, so there were sexist jokes instead. I think that's what you reacted to. Before we even had a chance to fully "get to know her," sexist jokes and remarks came flying from every direction. So maybe you were already sympathizing with her before you had taken the full measure of her. And once one starts sympathizing (even empathizing) with someone and going to bat for him/her, it becomes more difficult to assess his/her flaws. You were being forced to play devil's advocate (apt phrase indeed) for a woman you barely knew, and it's possible that it blinded you to some of her more unpleasant qualities (of which there are many).

I'm glad you're with us now. ; )

Because the fact is, Sarah Palin is a stupid fucking person, and a nasty one to boot. She rouses my ire in a way few politicians EVER have. But hey, the dumb wretch pulled my grandmother's vote for Obama, and probably many thousands (millions?) more as well. So two thumbs up to McCain for his stunning choice of a running mate. Heh.

Come to me in my dreams, and then
By day I shall be well again!
For so the night will more than pay
The hopeless longing of the day.

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i think you might be right. (2.00 / 5)
but i also think that there was such a complexity of feelings coming off the primary.

"I spend my days and nights pondering the meaning of life, the state of the universe, and the Home Shopping Network." -- Donald Roller Wilson

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She made me drop more money at once (twice) (2.00 / 6)
after her convention speech and again after one of her rallies.  Got so I was voting almost as much against her as I wa for Obama.

BTW, her feelings about polar bears and wolves suck greatly, too.

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette

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yes (2.00 / 5)
she was a stealth bomb for Barack, she drove many to the polls to vote for not her.  But i got into arguments with fellow Hillary supporters about Sarah, so in that way she was a smart pick, she got us arguing.  But, there was never a need to use sexist terms on her, she would have been just as terrible had she been a fellow.  too much winking and not enough thinking.  

What, me worry?

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Having too much of a forgiving nature (2.00 / 4)
can blind one to a person's faults just as much as being too judgmental can blind you to a person's virtues. In both cases, the truth will usually out.

This is not a recession. It's a robbery.

Sarah Palin is a Trojan Horse (2.00 / 5)
Which is exactly what McCain (or his handlers) wanted - someone who could both inherit the anger many people felt about Sen. Clinton's treatment and still give that famous wink to all of the red-blooded, white Republican males who wanted to have her around as eye candy.  I honestly think that she has no problem with sexism in general so long as she, in particular, is permitted to hold power in a "man's world."  The only saving grace is that much of her appeal to rightwing men is based on her looks, and those same people will drop her the minute her appearance no longer lives up to their standards.  Live by the sword, die by the sword.

Don't be so sure of that.. (2.00 / 4)
Yes, Palin has played off her looks for most of her life, but there are less good-looking Republican women that have managed to get ahead in politics without using their sexuality. Kay Bailey Hutchison comes to mind.

This is not a recession. It's a robbery.

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Yes, but (2.00 / 5)
Most of them didn't need to go to five colleges in order to get a degree.  It would be interesting to hear why they preferred Palin to someone such as Hutchinson, who ultimately might have done McCain more good (or at least done him less harm).

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Can't wait to get in some Palin bashing with CG. (2.00 / 6)

Just because they are posting on a progressive site doesn't make them progressives. - John Allen

There you are. (2.00 / 5)
Was just wondering how you've been doing. Trust CG to bring you out of the shadows. :-)

This is not a recession. It's a robbery.

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A spiffy sighting.... (2.00 / 3)
Ah, but I just missed him before he crested back into the Caribbean wave. Heart breaking...

But I'll be up with my binoculars all night, hoping to catch a glimpse of that lithe shiny torso again...

(Don't know where that last bit came from. Must be my hidden acquatic gay side)

The p***artist formerly known as 'Brit'

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spacey!!!!!! (2.00 / 2)
where ya been?

"I spend my days and nights pondering the meaning of life, the state of the universe, and the Home Shopping Network." -- Donald Roller Wilson

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The Love that Dare not Speak it's Name (2.00 / 6)
Oh, CG. So much makes sense now, especially those moments when - mid way through a passioned by reasoned debate - you would sieze up and be unable to discuss further. You were caught in the ravages of Palinophilia. And though I disapprove, I understand. I truly understand.

She is quite amazing and entrancing in a way. Her winking, big eyes, big smile and simplistic homely way of speaking still grips millions. The fact this all was laughably concocted, and she had none of the normal hinterland of 'political expertise', made her appearances all the more enthralling and intoxicating. If this was 'You've Got Talent' or even some kind of chat show host (probably spoof) I could have watched more. And it worked, for a while. She was a game changer. For a brief moment, in those first few weeks, it seemed to change the game to McCain's favour. It seemed to be both a populistic and smart move, for any criticism of her politics or inexpertise did chime with some of the sexism directed at Hillary.

Early on, though finding her personality kind of amusing, I realised what a threat she was. Bush was voted in because of a mixture of dynasty, money and personality politics ('a nice guy to have a beer with') and Palin was the ne plus ultra of that. In terms of character, you'd get what you see. In terms of politics, and every belief she espoused, Palin was the smiling face hiding all the ugliness represented by the right.

Just goes to show - politicians can be disliked for the wrong reasons, liked for the right reasons, and yet it's their politics we ultimately must live with.

Since we're also talking about personality here, one thing I can't forgive her for still is what she subjected her family too by running at that time. It was one of my first diaries here, and one of the few times I disagreed with the consensus among my US liberal friends. It was Palin, and by extension McCain, who submitted a young family, and particularly a pregnant teenager, to the scrutiny of the campaign press. Palin had made family issues, and her own domestic life, such a central plank of her identity politics appeal, it couldn't help but get caught in the firing line. Bristol's pregnancy and now her (inevitable) breaking off with the father of her baby, is of course subject to years of curiousity and intrusion. You could criticise anyone for mentioning it, but you could also criticise any politician, male or female, who thrusts their family into the limelight at a particular time.

Hey, but big kudos and admiration to you for revising your opinions in the light of experience. I wish we all could do the same. I'm racking my brains for something I got wrong in the past (no easy feat with a self justifying ego like mine). Oh wait... who is this Obama guy anyway?  

The p***artist formerly known as 'Brit'

I am glad we agree on this. (2.00 / 5)
I can understand very well why you had some positive feelings about Sarah Palin. I have met so many women like Palin in the Northland (Minnesota, North Dakota, Wisconsin, and so on). I imagine that a lot of Canadian women are like this as well. I am talking about tough, accomplished, folksy women who I can like very much. Until, that is, we talk about politics. Then all else can go by the wayside, unless we agree not to talk about politics, taxes, or social issues. Those who are able to see other points of view, are usually the ones I can maintain and even grow friendships with. Otherwise, forget about it.

Palin reminds me of the crazier/scarier women that I have met. By that I mean her political and social views. Period.

I am years behind and decades ahead. ~ Somebody else, I am certain

actually... (2.00 / 3)
while i quite know what you mean - i couldn't be further from folksy ;)

"I spend my days and nights pondering the meaning of life, the state of the universe, and the Home Shopping Network." -- Donald Roller Wilson

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I would never suggest that. (2.00 / 3)
And folksy is actually the wrong word to use. Perhaps it is more a frankness and matter of fact sort of attitude ~ directness? ~ I am trying to describe. Hillary has it. But she is not a raving lunatic. Palin is.

I am years behind and decades ahead. ~ Somebody else, I am certain

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When I was still at RedState, (2.00 / 6)
I thought Palin was a good choice as someone who looked good "on paper," nothing to do with physical appearance (I need more than looks, anyway), and actually encouraged her selection as VP candidate, before I found out how redneck Alaska really is and how much of a Dominionist from hell she proved to be. I doubt if my voice had any real influence, because now, after everything that happened since then, I'd love to take credit for leading Team McCain over a cliff.

Pulling a Kowalski, as some of you may recognize from RS, (2.00 / 5)
which means to reply to myself, I think I should add that I thought the fact that Alaska's border states are Canada and Russia would be something positive, but of course we all learned otherwise.

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Yes, I can see Russia... (2.00 / 3)
The problem is that, looking at a map the other day, I noticed how Alaska, from the eastern fringe to the far flung Islands, actually stretches across over 2000 miles, and most of the last bit is populated only by whales. On that basis, Britain shares a border with Greenland.

Kudos to you for playing the Pied Piper over Palin (the Kowalki reference is lost on this ignorant Brit, unless it's Stan from 'Streetcar Named Desire'). You should have seen the month long kerfuffle this caused on the Liberal blogosphere though. The proprietor of MYDD called her a game changer. Thank god some bloggers quickly did some data mining over her Alaska record, and then of course, Palin made the mistake of opening her mouth to Katy Couric.

Can I just say, as a lifelong Labour/Democrat supporter, how great it is to have a former Red Stater on this blog. I don't know why I feel that way. Perhaps I'm growing old and complacent. Or else perhaps I realise my neurons need regularly zapping with contrary opinions, but I hope you understand that, while we often disagree with each other and won't make an exception with you, you will always be treated civilly and with friendly snark.

The p***artist formerly known as 'Brit'

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No, it's just an old RS in-joke. (2.00 / 5)
Kowalski is this guy in Boston who was one of the more outspoken commenters, and tended to reply to himself often, hence the name.

And, to tell you the truth, I was on RS first because my old friend Mark Kilmer saw the same "Washington Journal" edition I did, in August of 2003, when Tony Adragna and Will Vehrs of the "Shouting Across the Potomac" blog were on. Mark and I both were moved to finally start blogging by that. Mark later went on to become an RS editor, and that's how I got drawn into it. Honestly, I thought it might be a springboard for realizing some success from my blogging, which never happened, and for this reason, I was especially distraught to find out what frauds the other RS editors were, along with the fact that the entire Eagle/Regnery stable of authors were people who made a living by telling lies, basically, to say nothing of Regnery's racist history. I've still never made a dime for being my own good and honest self in the blogosphere.

I tend to give Mark some slack because he's battling throat cancer now, so I figure maybe he has a medical excuse for being associated with the increasingly unhinged direction his fellow editors have taken since I quit last summer. I might have known my days there were numbered anyway, being a resident artist and musician and having more socially liberal views than most of those folks would tolerate. I should probably expand further another time, but suffice it to say now, the lies and stupidity just really hit a critical mass for me and I couldn't go on.

Thanks for the kind words. Talk at you soon.

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And to pull one more Kowalski, (2.00 / 5)
(and thus not waiting to expand further, I guess), I was also gradually swayed by the primary season. I watched most of the many debates by most parties, and I'm the sort that tends to find good things to say about people before looking for anything wrong with them, and I appreciated the Democrat debates. I don't regret criticizing Terry McAuliffe for forcing an early front-runner in 2004 and giving us George Bush's own fraternity brother as the nominee. I wanted to see a race in which every single state and territory had a meaningful voice in the process, and lo and behold, Howard Dean did it, with his 50-state strategy, even to the point of a close race between Hillary and Obama in Guam. So I was already sympathetic to Obama before the South Ossetia thing happened and, to my dismay, McCain started quoting Wikipedia and claiming to have known the 41-year old Saakashvili for 25 years, after having already stupidly promised to antagonize Russia for no good reason. To make matters worse, the entire Western media establishment took a whole month to admit that Russia didn't start the conflict. It was a world-citizen moment for me, because I have many friends in Russia and the rest of the Slavic world, and I knew I had to make a stand for them.

More on that later. I need to do some things now but I thought I should reveal a bit more about my journey before I go.

Thanks again for kind thoughts.

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Funny thing about Kowalski, (2.00 / 5)
it is a sausage company in Michigan. Hamtramck, MI was at one time predominately populated by Polish immigrants, hence the Kowalski name. That's the kind of trivia you'll find here on the Moose. :)

You should fit right in here on the Moose. Anyone who is willing to engage in honest discourse without resorting to ad hominem attacks is very welcome.

We have posters and founding members who have never voted for a Republican and ones who voted for Reagan. We even have some who voted for Bush in 2000. We have community organizers and others who are near-libertarian. We have some who are strong feminists, but we don't have any open misogynists, although I suspect some may have muttered that imprecation against me a time or two. We have quite a few openly gay members. In fact, I think support for same-sex marriage may be our strongest point of solidarity. We have blacks, whites, Canadians, and even our own daft Brit (Mad dogs and Englishmen and all that jazz).

One thing we all seem to share is that we are progressives. I don't mean progressive as a pseudonym for liberal, but progressive in that we want to move the country forward, not back to some never-existing golden era. We also believe strongly in letting everyone have their say. Argue your point as strongly as you like and don't be afraid to speak up when you disagree with someone. Just remember to keep it civil and all will be well.

BTW, I'm one of the founders, but I don't speak for everyone. That's one of the beauties of the Moose. We don't have an Ericson or Moe Lane here. Neither do we have a Markos or Jerome Armstrong. We are all in it together.

This is not a recession. It's a robbery.

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As I recall from history, (2.00 / 4)
Teddy Roosevelt called himself "progressive," and of course we've had all sorts of policy shift in party platforms ever since then, such as Eisenhower's refusal to cut the 90% top tax bracket and Kennedy's supposedly supply-side answer to that (although we both know that sort of thing is not so simple). As far as I can tell, the most noise made in opposition to Obama is from "one-drop" theorists who can't stand the idea of a black Democrat as president, despite the very centrist and pragmatic agenda of the current administration.

Actually, I liked D.L. Hughley's characterization of the last race, as a choice between one who's half black and one who's half dead :)

I think I'll have fun here. My personal issues aren't the fault of any politician or movement, to be sure, and I don't think the tendency to internalize such things is any way to live.

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You're being too hard on yourself. (2.00 / 5)
There was a lot of sexism from the left directed at her.  It wasn't because she's a bad human being (which she is).  It was because she's a female and blatant sexism is not taboo in American culture.  Sexism (or any ~ism) cannot be excused because the target is repugnant.

yes, there was (2.00 / 6)
and it was totally unnecessary.  Sexy is not her problem.  Nasty and stupid and Bush like is her problem. She was Bush, that's what drove so many on the fence to vote for Barack, no more Bush.  

What, me worry?

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I'm probably going to take some heat for this but... (2.00 / 4)
while I hate renaming people (Caribou Barbie, McLame, Obambi, Rethuglican) her folksy, winkin', gun totin' schtick didn't help.  She was trying to come across as the "hockey mom" but came across as a brainless twit.  I've heard her in interviews where she sounded "normal" and, I hate to say this, she sounded more intelligent or at least like someone who you could take seriously.

I mean what in the world was she thinking winking during a debate?  That deserved all the ridicule in the world.  Joe would have been torn to shreds had he done it, rightfully so.  In fact, I'm not sure a male would have been treated any differently had he done the male equivalent to Palin's act.

Palin chose not to answer the simple question about what newspapers she reads because she didn't want to admit that she only reads Alaska papers (I'm assuming she reads those).  How can you not ridicule both the fact that she apparently never bothered to expand her horizons before running for VP and she answered the question so stupidly.

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette

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asdf (2.00 / 3)
Palin chose not to answer the simple question about what newspapers she reads because she didn't want to admit that she only reads Alaska papers (I'm assuming she reads those).

Why would you assume that she reads at all? ; )  Personally, I figure she just watches Fox.

Come to me in my dreams, and then
By day I shall be well again!
For so the night will more than pay
The hopeless longing of the day.

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I was trying to give her some positive qualities. (2.00 / 2)
But you are probably closer to the truth.

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette

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i think you are onto something here... (2.00 / 3)
especilly about the newspaper thing.

i saw her in several interviews prior to mccain's naming and she is like a completely different person. i remember i had several debates with someone over at mydd about this saying that if mccain picked palin it would be trouble.

after she was announced on the ticket its like she became this kinda wacked out version of crazy in both presentation and ideas. it seems like mccain's people advised her to remain as elusive as possible so as to not alienate people.  

so you're probably right that she didn't answer the newspaper question.  the thing is - i think this worked against her - meaning if she was allowed to just be who she was, perhaps she might have some credibility today.  not that it would have changed the outcome of the election, but maybe she wouldn't have become the joke that she has become.

"I spend my days and nights pondering the meaning of life, the state of the universe, and the Home Shopping Network." -- Donald Roller Wilson

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I agree that (2.00 / 3)
we still struggle with sexism in this country, but I don't believe that all who dislike Palin are sexist; this is akin to saying all who dislike Obama are racist. I realize that for some folks gender and race are the determining factors, but if a person can give me an educated and clearly stated opinion on the reasons behind their dislike I won't cop-out with those types of accusations.

I've had trouble understanding Palin's appeal from the start. Plain-spoken seems synonymous with a limited vocabulary and lack of coherent compund sentences. This 'everyman' appeal that folks seem to want from their political leaders baffles me. I don't want those who are in charge of running our country to be anything like me, I don't want to want to have a beer with them. They should be far more articulate, educated, serious, thoughtful, etc. than I could ever be; they should be far more than average. I don't want a hockey mom, I want the lady running the team!

While I love the concept of if you work hard enough you can become anything you choose, I don't feel that just because you can be president that you should be president. Perhaps I contradict myself.

As a woman, it is wonderful to see successful female politicians, we need to see more of that and my belief is that we will. As much as I hope to see a female president in my lifetime, not just any woman will do. I didn't support Palin or Clinton because for me, the latter was simply not exceptional enough and the former felt too much like establishing a dynasty. No matter how I feel about either woman, their personalities or beliefs I appreciate the strides they have made for women everywhere.

My two cents.

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Excellent comment (2.00 / 1)
but I think you meant this the other way around - "I didn't support Palin or Clinton because for me, the latter was simply not exceptional enough and the former felt too much like establishing a dynasty."

This is not a recession. It's a robbery.

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By her own words... (2.00 / 3)
Palin attacked Clinton for whining about being criticized. And then retreated behind just such a defense. Being a hypocrite isn't the way to cement your suitability as a leader...

What bothers me about Palin, is not that she is intellectually incurious, but smug about that willful ignorance.

It is a species of human that does this, often good, church going folks, who assume that they know "enough" and going beyond that point is somehow not a sin, but pure hubris and "upitty". She is armored in her confidence, and that very confidence that she is faithful enough, smart enough, and informed enough already is her biggest downfall.

Ignorance isn't a sin. Curiosity is the proud, willing admission of ignorance. What I think is her damning aspect, is that she condemns anything looking like curiosity. She is self satisfied that things are just fine the way they are. She cannot orient, refuses to orient even, to changing conditions. She assumes that she is prepared, even with evidence contrary.

That is the real danger. She left her town deeply in debt. Her policies as Governor relied on continued oil profits, and now she is looking at falling state revenue, and with no idea how to actually adjust for that.

Pray to God, but row to shore.

She forgot that a while back. And it's the inability to admit that anything she may have said or done was not correct, or any of her policies may not be right now, is dangerous for her state. Because good governance has to adjust to conditions. Be that tax policy to environmental policy. You have to be flexible, and Palin feels that her strength is her intractable nature.  

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This is very insightful. (2.00 / 1)
"Ignorance isn't a sin. Curiosity is the proud, willing admission of ignorance."

One of the key differences between progressives and conservatives is that progressives think they know what is right and conservatives know what is right.

This is not a recession. It's a robbery.

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save that despite my party changing the meaning of the term... (2.00 / 2)
I still think of myself as a Conservative...

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You and Andy Sullivan are stuck in the past. (2.00 / 1)
You think conservative still means what it used to mean. That died with Reagan. Goldwater was a conservative libertarian. Reagan was an oligarchic corporatist who called himself a conservative.

Interesting, my spell checker recognized corporatist.  

This is not a recession. It's a robbery.

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In part, that's why I suppose I stay Conservative... (2.00 / 2)
I haven't changed that much, but the party certainly has.

I think that it's sad, that so many are only now beginning to realize that Goldwater's warning about opening the party to the so called "Moral Majority" was particularly prophetic.

I blame those damn kids, with their fancy "in-line" skates and their dang Krunk dancing. Back in my day, we had skate boards, ska music, and "moshing" was reserved for dumb ass frat boys who didn't know what the heck a pit was for, and thought "Bad Brains" meant you failed your PSATs.

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I think there can be Progressive Liberals and Progressive Conservatives, (2.00 / 1)
In fact, in Canada there used to be a "Progressive Conservative" Party (now simply "Conservative", I believe).

I think I agree with you on the aspects of "conservatism" that are laudable.  I agree with many of my firmly lefthanded friends here and elsewhere on the aspects of "liberalism" that are laudable.  But for my part I much prefer to use the label "Progressive" if I have to use one at all, because any atomic political position I have I only hold because I believe it provides the ability to make progress on important issues.  If I am wrong about any particular position I can change it out without losing any enormous amount of sleep over it.

John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."

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Changing position because of changing conditions is no shame... (2.00 / 3)
For Conservatives, Liberals, or whatever flavor you prefer.

And I suppose I should concede that some of the positions I hold and consider "Conservative" now, were considered "Progressive" back in the days of Roosevelt and Taft...

Which shows the march of progress, and the changeable nature of terminology.

But, I don't have to like it...

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"But, I don't have to like it... " (2.00 / 3)
Now that is a true conservative.

This is not a recession. It's a robbery.

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Hey now....I love my 'inline skates'.... (2.00 / 1)
You can find me crankin' Pay to Cum as I tear up the streets on my blades (have been blading since '88). I also own 3 skateboards (one is a long board) and I crack up when the Krunk dancin' starts in the club (reminds me of teh 'dance off' scenes from 80's movies). I have seen more live music than most people have seen piped into their craniums via MTV....and I am a born and bred yellow dog Dem. ;)

Your comments alternate between making me think and making me grin...I think I am developing a blog the very least I think I want to have a beer with you. /laughing



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If you're out Phoenix way, drop me a line then... (2.00 / 4)
Still getting a line on a new gig, while the season winds down for Glendale Arena.  Only a few concerts out this way, but I'm generally up for beers.

Unfortunately, none of them have been acts that I've been all that excited about. Celine Dion?  Britney Spears?  Bruce Springsteen--don't even get me started on that asshat...

My real fear is the Hannity extravaganza we have later this summer. "With the profits going to the families of slain war heroes!" Which makes me want to cock punch Sean in his smug-no-butter-would-melt-in-my-opportunistic-puss.

Generally speaking, as the years have gone on, I've realized that when folks wrap themselves up in the flag, they're using it to cover something up.  And that goes for both sides of the aisle...

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We've got a Death Cab for Cutie (2.00 / 3)
concert tomorrow at Michigan State. The only reason I know is because my grandson is going to it. He was a little short so I offered to help pay for the ticket so he could go. He's a huge Modest Mouse fan and got to see them this past winter in the Detroit area.

This is not a recession. It's a robbery.

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love death cab for cutie. (2.00 / 2)
you're a good grandpa.

"I spend my days and nights pondering the meaning of life, the state of the universe, and the Home Shopping Network." -- Donald Roller Wilson

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Hubie, you may be (2.00 / 3)
my new favorite conservative. And that's really saying something.

In my way, I like Republicans (perhaps not the ones on the national scene though). But I love debate, and I love differing viewpoints. I like anyone who can explain his/her point of view in a reasonable, rational manner. By all rights, I ought be a conservative -- technically, that's how I was born and bred. And raging liberal though I am, I see where conservatives are coming from on a lot of issues. I have probably read more Ann Coulter and watched more Fox News and listened to more Michael Savage and Rush Limbaugh, many times over, than anyone on The Moose. Not to say that those people necessarily represent true conservatism in the way that I feel you do -- a lot of their talk is manufactured, prepackaged garbage, engineered as such to sell books or get higher ratings -- but I've had a lot of exposure to distinctly "red" points of view.

And for all my exposure to the GOP here in my glaringly red home state of Alabama, I must say I have rarely come across a conservative as capable of admirably expressing his beliefs as you are. And this made me beam:

My real fear is the Hannity extravaganza we have later this summer. "With the profits going to the families of slain war heroes!"  Which makes me want to cock punch Sean in his smug-no-butter-would-melt-in-my-opportunistic-puss.

Generally speaking, as the years have gone on, I've realized that when folks wrap themselves up in the flag, they're using it to cover something up.  And that goes for both sides of the aisle...

The fact that someone who identifies as a conservative can so easily see through the rightwing noise machine and so easily recognize the faults of members of BOTH parties rather than blindly following lockstep with members of his own, gives me a lot of hope for this country. I long considered my father to be one of the most reasonable Republicans I have ever known, despite being a hardcore Rush dittohead, but of late he's gone off the rails a bit. He's been listening to the loud fringe elements of the party, and in the wake of losing the election, he's forgotten to think for himself. Thank you for reminding me that not everyone has made that mistake.

I think you may be not only my favorite new conservative, but my favorite new moose.

Come to me in my dreams, and then
By day I shall be well again!
For so the night will more than pay
The hopeless longing of the day.

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Well said, ap-eff.... (2.00 / 3)
Your 2-cents are a welcome addition to the wealth here....welcome to the Moose! ;)



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Oops (2.00 / 2)
Welcome too. And please be assured that in this troll free and friendly environment, that fail rating you just got was an over eager Moose trying to uprate you

The p***artist formerly known as 'Brit'

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First she was funny, then scary. (2.00 / 6)
 I found her interviews hillarious, totally unprepared.
Then I watched her play to the hatred of those southern rallys. Kind of a McCarthy in a skirt. I have no use or respect for that kind pol, ample bossum or no.

When I heard Esquire magazine is featuring Todd Palin, (2.00 / 4)
whom I nicknamed First Douche, as someone who epitomizes a "man's man," my first thought was that American exceptionalism may well be a thing of the past.

It was frustrating for me, as a woman, to see (2.00 / 3)
another woman with such opportunity to move us all forward, but with such an outdated belief system.  

As a tomboy myself (when I was younger), I wanted to be enthralled by someone like Palin.  But instead was immediately turned off by her.  She seemed too much like a woman who had not yet come to accept that she was capable of thinking on her own and still needed and paternalistic authoritarian or two in her life.

To me, Hillary was much more of a woman who understood that she indeed represented women worldwide in the pursuit of the rights to choose whenever and wherever in all aspects of life.

Anyway, I am glad you saw what you saw, no matter when.....women, all of us, need strong representations of ourselves.  Sarah was not, is not it.

"You can have wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, or democracy. But you cannot have both."
- Louis Brandeis

She's a conundrum for me. (2.00 / 2)
I think she's smarter, at least politically, than a lot of people give her credit for.  She's certainly ruthless when it comes to getting what she wants.  But her beliefs are definitely decades behind.  And the idea that she could have been the one going around the world "representing" women is nauseating.  

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette

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She's clearly politically savvy... (2.00 / 3)
No doubt about that, with a streak of ruthlessness to get from a small town mayor to Governor. But street smarts is what we got with Karl Rove. Is she informed? Does she know about the world beyond the greasy pole of ambition? It's that kind of hinterland that makes a worthwhile politician

The p***artist formerly known as 'Brit'

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I always liked tomboys (2.00 / 2)
so I appreciate that about you, Jjc :) And I definitely appreciate why you were put off by Palin for falling short in such ways.  

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