Voices from Iran - Important Update

by: Kamin Mohammadi

Tue Jun 23, 2009 at 13:09:49 PM EDT


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If my experience is any guide, Iranians outside Iran are living some of the most intense days of their lives. Since the first, disputed results of the presidential election were announced soon after the polls closed on 12 June 2009 and the protests almost immediately started, my waking hours are absorbed- hour-by-hour, even minute-by-minute - in gathering computer-delivered news about what is happening in my homeland

It is compulsive, and also complicated. The intense emotional engagement brings with it far more unease than satisfaction. The process of digesting the news from family and friends in Iran that clogs my inbox, of following multiple links to blogs,of watching sometimes horrific videos, leaves me at once outraged and energised yet also sickened and paralysed into inaction and silence. If there is a pattern to these feelings, it lies in an often wild pendulum-swing between a vague sense of hope and elation, and deep shame and depression.  

Kamin Mohammadi :: Voices from Iran - Important Update
The shame is hard: that even while people were being beaten and shot in Tehran on 20 June, police were waiting at the hospitals to arrest or take down the names of the injured - the foretaste of a midnight visit to their homes from the basij militias; that while the regime was killing its own people, it was the foreign embassies that opened their doors to the wounded to help us.

But the pride too is profound: in the fearlessness of my compatriots; in the humanity and solidarity that binds us, a reminder of the Persian poet Sa'adi's words - as true today as when they were written in the 13th-century - "The children of Adam are limbs to each other, having been created of one essence"; and in the defiant night-time chants of allahu akbar (God is great) that arise from the Tehran rooftops, at once an echo of the 1979 revolution, an eerie act of resistance, and a desperate call for mercy and strength.

In 1978-79, these cries were symbolic of opposition to the Shah's tyranny and the much-proclaimed gharbzadegi (westoxification) of Iranian society, and of the call for a returnto the core Shi'a Muslim values that a vast majority of Iranians held dear. Now, they are being raised against the architects of the Islamic Republic themselves, the very men who helped Ayatollah Khomeini shape the regime that he called "God's government". 

An epic struggle for the soul of this government is now being waged in the regime's upper echelons. The people of Iran - voters, citizens, students, protestors, women and men, exiles, those resident abroad - are looking on, seeking to make their voices heard.

Amid the storm

A friend who works for the provincial governor of one of Iran's remoter provinces tells me: "The people know that this is not about regime change. Most people want Iran to remain an Islamic Republic. But they feel that perhaps there is a way open to them now to improve things a little from within the system. At least to keep alive the republican elements of the system that [Mahmoud] Ahmadinejad's years in power have been eroding."

The leading opposition candidate Mir-Hossein Moussavi may be depicted in the west as an outsider to the regime but Iranians know that he is part of the religious establishment and hardly a radical. "We voted for him because he is the only one who spoke even a little to our concerns", says a 30-year-old, Bijan. "We thought that perhaps, being so well-established in the regime would give him the ability to really change things."

Bijan belongs to that burgeoning majority of Iranians (upwards of 70%) who were born since the revolution of 1979 or were then small children. These young people barely remember the events of thirty years ago, and they are not demanding a change to the system of Islamic rule. Above all else they are pragmatic, sharing little of the idealism of their parents who took part in the revolution; and this pragmatism makes them shy away from anything but a gradual loosening of the regime's tight grip on their civil liberties.

"People are angry and they have had enough", says Sara, a journalist in Tehran, "The last four years have been really difficult but we have all sat quietly like good children and waited for a legal opportunity to vote for change. Then with this cheating they have really insulted our intelligence. It was too obvious. People are really fed up. It sticks in our throats."

Sara herself was arrested and hit with batons during the post-election protests in Tehran. She tells me that Tehran is quiet now because there are police and militia everywhere. "It's like martial law. The plainclothes guys" - a reference to the basij -"are everywhere on their motorbikes, with batons in their hands. They are patrolling the streets, hiding themselves in each corner. They do what they like. The university is quiet today - I think they have postponed exams - but I don't think it means the protests are over. The flames are still alive under the ashes of Saturday..."

Bijan informs me that state television - the only kind available now that satellite channels have been scrambled - has been laying the groundwork for the regime's violence, which is consciously planned. "They broadcast nationalistic programmes and in between, they have phone-ins in which people support Ahmadinejad and say the protestors are vandals and destroying their livelihoods. These people asking for more force from the government, for the army to be called in to protect them. I don't know if they are real opinions or just planted by the regime, but in any case, they are preparing people for what might still come - massive bloodshed."

Another friend in Tehran says: "The demonstrations now are happening in complete silence, and on the pavements instead of the roads - to give the basij no reason to retaliate. Also to stop the regime being able to blame the unrest on 'terrorists', which is what they have been doing."

Sara tells me that state television's portrayal of the terrible confrontations of 20 June - when live rounds were fired on protestors and teargas was used - highlights scenes in which protestors chased and beat members of the security forces. The narrative implies that they are terrorists from groups such as the Mujahideen-e-Khalq (MEK) supposedly backed by the west. "People are getting their news from each other, although most mobiles stop working in the late afternoons and evenings. Since the election we haven't been able to send text-messages. The internet is censored and getting online is very difficult. The connection speed is down, and skype was scrambled too. But we find our ways, we are used to working around the system."

Ahmad, a university student from Shiraz - where, as in Tehran and other cities,  there have been bloody attacks on campuses - is both elated and apprehensive by what has been happening. "There will be plenty more bloodshed before any further developments take place. The basij are not shooting, but they are hitting young people on the head with the end of their rifles, and they have been attacking dormitories."

In face of power

What of the titanic political struggle behind the scenes? Bijan says: "Everyone is looking at [former president, Hashemi] Rafsanjani to see what he will do. The rumour is that he is in Qom rallying support from the ayatollahs. The public's opinion of Moussavi has massively improved since the supreme leader's speech on Friday. People feel that now he will go down in history, and they are willing to forget his past. He has a clean slate now..."

I tell Bijan that Rafsanjani isbeing called a reformist in the west. We laugh at the absurdity of a situation in which one of the richest and (it is commonly believed) most corrupt conservatives in the land - the man whose unpopularity in 2005 was a key to Ahmadinejad's ascent to power - is now viewed as a figurehead of rebels.

This very Iranian irreverence towards power is itself a force of resistance. Sara says: "We are scared and depressed. You can see the depression on the faces of the people. But there are jokes doing the rounds too. That's how we have borne the last thirty years - by laughing at the mullahs. And God help us, whatever they do to us, we will keep laughing at them."

Kamin Mohammadi is a journalist who has written widely on Iran, as well as on travel and health issues. Her website is here

IMPORTANT UPDATE by BRIT: Kamin has been trying to reply to comments before she leaves Italy tomorrow, but as she explains...

I haven't done any comments yet, sorry. Everything slightly trumped by this news that one of my very great friends languishing in jail in Iran. He is a foreign journalist who has been detained for over a week now. Friends and family have decided to change strategy which for last week has been silence, and write some Op-eds etc so we can control the message. Can you help us at all??

If the Moose can help at all in getting this story out...


*Nieman Foundation Calls for Release of Journalist Detained in Iran *

Iason Athanasiadis, our friend and
colleague from the Nieman Class of 2008, has been arrested and is being detained by the Iranian government. Iason, a Greek citizen, was in Iran to
report on the June 12 presidential election. He was traveling with a valid journalist's visa and credentials when he was picked up by Iranian officials at the Tehran airport last Wednesday evening. Iranian news agencies have reported his detention, although no precise charges have been presented.

"The Nieman Foundation and members of the Nieman community around the world are supportive of the Greek diplomatic initiatives to secure Iason's safe and immediate release," said Nieman Curator Bob Giles. "His dispatches from Iran are the work of a professional journalist who cares deeply about the Iranian people, for whom he has developed a deep affection during his years
of reporting there."

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Iason once recalled the Persian saying that "knowing another language is tantamount to possessing another culture." He said he recognized the difference in his coverage of the region after achieving fluency in Farsi and freeing himself from dependence on a translator.

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During his recent reporting visit to Iran, he filed stories for The Washington Times, GlobalPost and the Pulitzer Center on Crisis Reporting.

The Nieman Foundation and Nieman Fellows in many parts of the world are asking news organizations to work through diplomatic channels in an effort to secure his release. Iason's family has Requested help from the Greek Foreign Minister and the Greek Ambassador to Iran.

Iason is among at least 40 journalists and bloggers who have been detained by the Iranian government since the contested election took place earlier this month.

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Thank you so much for sharing your experience with us here, Kamin. (2.00 / 8)
I hope you know how much we support your people's desire for self direction.  Yes, we recognize that this is likely be in our interests as well, but nevertheless it is independently inspiring to see people pursuing the freedom to choose their own futures.

I can't tell your friends in Iran to not be scared.  In their place I, for one, most certainly would be.  But they shouldn't be depressed.  They have today the power and the opportunity to free themselves if they stick together and master the fear that others are trying to impose on them.

My thoughts are with all of you.

"Conway, whom experience had taught that rudeness was by no means a guarantee of good faith, was even less inclined to regard a well-turned phrase as a proof of insincerity."  James Hilton, Lost Horizon


our personal interests (2.00 / 4)
as citizens we enjoy free discourse and we don't just want to talk to ourselves.  This may be the shot heard round the world? I wonder how many dictators are getting very worried.  

What a relief!

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i echo the sentiments above. (2.00 / 4)
thank you for sharing this.

we support the people of iran.

"I spend my days and nights pondering the meaning of life, the state of the universe, and the Home Shopping Network." -- Donald Roller Wilson


Thank you for the insights. (2.00 / 5)
Many of us have been following the events in Iran as closely as possible. One good thing that has come from this is that many Americans have had their eyes opened about Iran and its people. Others of us have always known that Iran was a complex country with an ancient heritage and have been troubled by the simplistic antagonism shown by some of our countrymen. We have also been aware that much of the antagonism between our countries has been caused by our actions, both in the past and recently. Any movement towards a more open relationship between our countries will be a positive step forward for everyone, except for those who thrive on conflict.

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross." - Sinclair Lewis


I posted a comment about the bazaari earlier today in another thread. (2.00 / 5)
then I read this a few minutes ago on Andrew Sullivan's blog.

Here's my earlier post.

The threat of strikes has to be worrying the gov't.   (0.00 / 0)
The strike by the Bazaaris' in 1979 was one of the most important events in the downfall of the Shah. Here is a fascinating article about the Bazaari written in 1996 by Richard Kaplan of The Center for a New American Security. The CNAA is a leading centrist think tank that Obama has leaned on heavily in the early days of his presidency. Board members include people like Madeline Albright, Richard Armitage, and John Podesta.

and this is from Sully's blog

A Bazaar Strike?

Via persiankiwi, Mousavi seems to be calling for a new direction with the demonstrations:

Mousavi - We will not expend any more energy talking to the Gov in the streets - we must change course #Iranelection breaking news RT RT RT

Mousavi - From Today every morning at 9am WE ALL travel to Tehran Bazaar - whatever reaction from Gov - Bazaar will close

Mousavi - stop all work and travel with friends & family toward Tehran Bazaar every day at 9am

Mousavi - do NOT wear green - dress normally - bring your children - if stopped u are ONLY going shopping

Mousavi - the objective is to bring Tehran to standstill - millions of people go shopping but NOBODY SHOPPING

Mousavi - There is nothing to fear - if asked - YOU ARE ONLY GOING SHOPPING

Mousavi - no matter what the reaction of the Gov - the Bazaar will close or be at standstill

Mousavi - http://bit.ly/fmvIZ - #Iranelection RT RT RT



"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross." - Sinclair Lewis


its time to close (2.00 / 5)
the pocketbooks.  

What a relief!

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While our attention is focused on the demonstrations, (2.00 / 5)
marches and violence happening on the streets of Iranian cities, the real action may be happening behind the scenes. I've posted bits here and there about Rasfanjani and Ayatollah Montezari and their influence in Iran. This report from EurasiaNet goes into a lot more detail and speculation about what may be happening in Qom. This report warrants the usual skepticism about unnamed sources, but matches much of what I've been reading between the lines in most reports out of Iran.

IRAN: RAFSANJANI POISED TO OUTFLANK SUPREME LEADER KHAMENEI
6/22/09

Looking past their fiery rhetoric and apparent determination to cling to power using all available means, Iran's hardliners are not a confident bunch. While hardliners still believe they possess enough force to stifle popular protests, they are worried that they are losing a behind-the-scenes battle within Iran's religious establishment.

A source familiar with the thinking of decision-makers in state agencies that have strong ties to Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei said there is a sense among hardliners that a shoe is about to drop. Ali Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani -- Iran's savviest political operator and an arch-enemy of Ayatollah Khamenei's -- has kept out of the public spotlight since the rigged June 12 presidential election triggered the political crisis. The widespread belief is that Rafsanjani has been in the holy city of Qom, working to assemble a religious and political coalition to topple the supreme leader and President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

"There is great apprehension among people in the supreme leader's [camp] about what Rafsanjani may pull," said a source in Tehran who is familiar with hardliner thinking. "They [the supreme leader and his supporters] are much more concerned about Rafsanjani than the mass movement on the streets."

Now that Ayatollah Khamenei has become inexorably connected to Ahmadinejad's power grab, many clerics are coming around to the idea that the current system needs to be changed. Among those who are now believed to be arrayed against Ayatollah Khamenei is Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani, the top Shi'a cleric in neighboring Iraq. Rafsanjani is known to have met with Grand Ayatollah al-Sistani's representative in Iran, Javad Shahrestani.

A reformist website, Rooyeh, reported that Rafsanjani already had the support of nearly a majority of the Assembly of Experts, a body that constitutionally has the power to remove Ayatollah Khamenei. The report also indicated that Rafsanjani's lobbying efforts were continuing to bring more clerics over to his side. Rafsanjani's aim, the website added, is the establishment of a leadership council, comprising of three or more top religious leaders, to replace the institution of supreme leader. Shortly after it posted the report on Rafsanjani's efforts to establish a new collective leadership, government officials pulled the plug on Rooyeh.

Meanwhile, the Al-Arabiya satellite television news channel reported that a "high-ranking" source in Qom confirmed that Rafsanjani has garnered enough support to remove Ayatollah Khamenei, but an announcement is being delayed amid differences on what or who should replace the supreme leader. Some top clerics reportedly want to maintain the post of supreme leader, albeit with someone other than Ayatollah Khamenei occupying the post, while others support the collective leadership approach.

To a certain degree, hardliners now find themselves caught in a cycle of doom: they must crack down on protesters if they are to have any chance of retaining power, but doing so only causes more and more clerics to align against them.



"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross." - Sinclair Lewis


Thank you for contributing here (2.00 / 3)
I will try to monitor this thread from time to time, but for some reason my subscribe isn't working! I have checked my spam folder... :-(

~~Cheryl

I love my country, but I think we should start seeing other people.


I am not getting email notices either when I subscribe to a diary. (2.00 / 3)
I've just started testing it, so I can't be sure it is sending them out or not. It might not send a notification for your own comments. Not sure about that. If I can confirm that it isn't working I'll contact soapblox support about it. Is anyone else having problems with getting notifications of postings when they subscribe to a diary? I'm not sure whether it notifies for all new comments or only for updates to the diary.

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross." - Sinclair Lewis


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From Nico (2.00 / 5)
4:06 PM ET -- Iran expels British diplomats. The AP reports: "Iran's Foreign Ministry said it expelled the two Britons for 'unconventional behavior', state television reported, and Britain announced it was sending two Iranian diplomats home in retaliation." AP adds that there were also protests by hard-liners outside the British embassy in Tehran.

Nico also was called on second at the President's presser today.

1:45 PM ET -- HuffPost asks Obama a question about Iran at press conference. My colleague Nico Pitney was given the opportunity to ask a question at Obama's press conference today that came directly from an Iranian. His question for the president was: "Under which conditions would you accept the election of Ahmadinejad, and if you do accept it without any significant changes in the conditions there, isn't that a betrayal of what the demonstrators there are working toward?"

Obama's response:

Well look, we didn't have international observers on the ground, we can't say definitively what exactly happened at polling places throughout the country. What we know is that a sizeable percentage of the Iranian people themselves, spanning Iranian society, considered this election illegitimate. It's not an isolated instance, a little grumbling here or there. There [are] significant questions about the legitimacy of the election. And so ultimately, the most important thing for the Iranian government to consider is legitimacy in the eyes of its own people, not in the eyes of the United States. And that's why I've been very clear, ultimately this is up to the Iranian people to decide who their leadership is going to be and the structure of their government. What we can do is to say unequivocally that there are sets of international norms and principles about violence, about dealing with peaceful dissent, that spans cultures, spans borders, and what we've been seeing over the Internet and what we've been seeing in news reports, violates those norms and violates those principles. I think it is not too late for the Iranian government to recognize that there is a peaceful path that will lead to stability and legitimacy and prosperity for the Iranian people. We hope they take it.

For those in the MSM who think this question was a set-up, here's the answer.

A few words about how this came about for those who are curious: as readers know, I've spent a lot of time writing and debating about the President's reaction to the events in Iran. Last night, after emailing with a few people about Obama's press conference and what he might say, I decided to throw it open to our readers. I received a call from White House staff saying they had seen what I'd written and thought the President might be interested in receiving a question directly from an Iranian.

The White House didn't guarantee that I would be able to ask a question. But I decided that if there was even a chance, I should try to reach out to as many Iranians as possible. With the invaluable help from some readers -- Chas, Chuck, and other Iranian Americans I wish I could name because they deserve the credit -- I was able to post a message in Farsi on Twitter and have my request for questions posted late last night on Balatarin. I ended up choosing the question I did because it was one of the consensus questions that many people had suggested.

Thanks also to the White House staff. They were up front about not being able to assure that a question would be asked, they never asked what the question would be, and they helped me move through the very packed briefing room when I showed up a bit late (sorry to the many toes I stepped on getting through).

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...

Nico deserves an award for all his work covering the Iranian crisis.  It was great that the president called on him even before some of the network idiots.

Hey Tancredo ~ I can spell "vote" and I can spell "bigot," too.


Metaphorically speaking... (2.00 / 4)
"sorry to the many toes I stepped on"

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross." - Sinclair Lewis


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Kamin... (2.00 / 4)
Thanks for posting this here. You were one of the first people to tell me about the reality of life in Iran, especially for the young - how distant they felt from the restrictions of the regime, if still Islamic. I remember you vividly telling me how sex was burgeoning in Iran because - for many young people - there was little else to do.

I don't know why the last election, the vote rigging and the protests that followed, struck such a chord with the Moose (we even turned our banner green). Maybe it has something to do with the Bush years (and the feelings of a thwarted popular vote. Perhaps it has something to do with Obama's campaign, and the re-registering of basic humane tolerant values that can attract religious and irreligious, fiscal liberals or fiscal conservatives. We're a motley bunch from left, right and centre, but one thing we share is a nebulous but very real belief in progressive values, pluralism and dialogue. And seeing so many men and women, boys and girls, risk (and lose) their lives for such ideals fills many of us with respect for you, and pride in those essential common values we all believe in.

I know you're on Italian time, and might not get to reply till it's morning in Europe, but you'll find the Moose waiting, with bated Moosey breath

Moose Juice; debate without hate


Al Giordano has this on his website... (2.00 / 5)
Former Iranian President Mohammad Khatami has made the following call for mass action tomorrow, Wednesday, morning throughout the cities and towns of Iran.

Leading opposition candidate Mir Hossein Mousavi, has just posted Khatami's call to his Facebook page:

In the name of God

We will not waste our energy, but act efficiently. We have conveyed our words to the coup-makers to the world in the streets. Now we need to change our strategy.

From this Tuesday, at 9 every morning we will all go to the bazaar in our towns all over the country. If they prevent us, the bazaar will close. If they do not, there will be such congestion that the business will get interrupted and the bazaar will close. If they disconnect the telephone lines, again all activities will get interrupted and the bazaar will close. As much as possible, we will shut down the whole town and go to the bazaar to shut it down.

Take everyone with you. Bring the children, too without any sloganswithout green signs-without sit-ins; pretending to go shopping but not buying anything. We will only think of shutting down the bazaar, but do not leave any traces, not even a victory sign by our hands. NOT AT ALL.

We will only think of victory. Bring the children, all the towns of Iran, without slogans, without slogans, without slogans, quietly, quietly, quietly, without greens, without sit-ins, without fighting. If anyone starts quarrels or shouts, we will not join because we pretend to be going shopping. There is no need to fear, and everyone will come. No fights, no bloodshed, no slogans, no sit-ins. If they prevent us, we simply return because we mean to shut down the bazaar, not to assemble. If they shoot tear gas, the bazaar will close. We will act smartly and will not engage in any sort of fights although if any fighting happens the bazaar will close due to insecurity. But we will not engage in any fights, and calmly and solely think of victory. With the congestion the bazaar will shut down, or no one will be there. Under any circumstances we will win. Dear Mr. Mousavi: We do not need your martyrdom and self-sacrifice; we need your leadership until we reach our goals. Until 9am Tuesday, the 3rd day of the martyrdom of June 20th martyrs, we will have enough time to inform everyone.

Inform friends by any means: through websites, foreign media.... From Tuesday towards bazaar.

Send this message to friends and the addresses below so that it gets widespread all over our dear Iran. This strategy is effective and there is no need to fear, and will bring millions of Iranians into the scene without any bloodshed. Rest assured this strategy is so effective that the enemy will soon start denying and making rumors, and will start struggling. Do not believe them because this program will continue. Do not listen to rumors and inform everyone by whatever means possible.

Wishing for success.

http://narcosphere.narconews.c...

Al does not provide the link but I don't have any reason to doubt its authenticity and it ties in with other reporting.

Hey Tancredo ~ I can spell "vote" and I can spell "bigot," too.


They are being smart about this... (2.00 / 2)
... and they are obviously serious, and not at all willing to give up. I get the feeling they're buying time, keeping the resistance engaged but out of harm's way as much as possible, while the rifts within the religious and political establishments can be exploited and deepened, and the sympathies of the police, army, and Basiji can be engaged. Just my woman's intuition.

I've been SO torn these past few days. I hesitate to say, "Don't give up!" but I say it anyway. I do NOT want to see this movement get plowed under. If they can win, what a glorious day it will be for all humanity! But my heart breaks for every drop of blood drawn in this battle, also.

But I take heart from essays like this one from Bernard-Henri Lévy. And I will wear green tomorrow, again.

~~Cheryl

I love my country, but I think we should start seeing other people.


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I know what you mean about being torn. (2.00 / 1)
How many more Nedas will there be before it is over? Too many.

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross." - Sinclair Lewis


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Great comments on NPR's "On All Things Considered" today. (2.00 / 1)
Karim Sadjadpour, an associate at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, was asked about what would be happening in Iran right now if Bush was still in the White House.  He made a very good case that the answer is effectively "nothing", that in fact there has been a great deal of individual restraint of dissent on the part of the Iranian population during the Bush years.  With "no option off the table" and imminent threat of attack from the US or it's allies in the region (Israel), Iranians have been more united and more tolerant of the problems within their country than they are today with the current US administration.

This could easily be extrapolated to "what would be happening in Iran right now if Palin was President?" (OK, sure: "McCain - whatever).  I think it is quite likely that there would have been no uprising if the White House was holding B52s over Iran's head.

"Conway, whom experience had taught that rudeness was by no means a guarantee of good faith, was even less inclined to regard a well-turned phrase as a proof of insincerity."  James Hilton, Lost Horizon


Posted earlier today... (2.00 / 3)
By HANA H. in Tehran | 23 June 2009

[TEHRAN BUREAU] I am an Iranian and I love my country but what has been taking place here in the past few days is so wrong that I can no longer remain silent.

People are scared and want to know the truth about the events happening in their country but it is pointless to look to state media for news as it hardly reflects anything related to the ongoing crisis.

The bits and pieces of information thrown our way all tell the same story 'a group of hooligans are trying to upset peace but the situation is under control', ' elements of foreign countries are attempting to stage a velvet revolution but they have been identified and detained', and "thugs are trashing the city but intelligence forces have identified them and everything is under control'.

Before the revolution in Iran, the state media refused to show street protests and continued broadcasting mundane programs because everything was 'fine and dandy' there was no such thing as protesters being killed on the streets, no such thing as police beating angry rioters. In the world of the state broadcaster, Iran had no protesters, every single Iranian was a loyal subject and protesters were not Iranian.

History has the tendency to repeat itself. Thirty years after the revolution, once again, Iran has no protesters but now every single Iranian is a god-fearing revolutionary. Protesters are still not Iranian.

Better yet some of the protesters are people who have been tricked by foreign countries and terrorist organizations into vandalism and participating in illegal gatherings.

I live in Tehran and I do not have a clue as to what is going on in other cities in my country. I am certain that people living in other parts of Iran are also clueless as to what has been happening in the capital. Courtesy of state media some may even be convinced that a few 'disgruntled kids' are vandalizing the city because no one will listen to them.

It is an insult to our intelligence when everyone knows the country is struggling with a crisis and there is violence on the streets every day but five of the six national channels show movies non-stop and the sixth one shows news from a crisis-free Iran and occasionally a 1-minute clip of hooligans vandalizing the city.

I do not know which Iran they come from but the Iran I come from has angry people out on the streets every night, lighting bonfires to fight the tear gas used by the riot police; the Iran I come from has seen its youth beaten up every day and the Tehran I live in has seen its streets covered with blood once more - something we were promised 30 years ago would never happen again by the very same revolutionaries who are calling the shots today.

It is ironic that a system that was founded because of the people's anger toward an oppressive monarchy is now making the very same mistakes made by the Shah of Iran.

It is a disgrace to see the system that condemned what the shah of Iran did - killing people to silence their voices - is now doing the same.

If the Shah declared martial law to paralyze the people, today, the very same Iranian authorities, who have always talked about the hardships they endured to spare us, the future generations, the pain of oppression, are now paralyzing us and imposing martial law.

However, this is the age of technology and therefore their martial law has been tailored to fit the new age. Instead of directly imposing restrictions on movement, they restrict our contact with the outside world and make contacting one another painfully difficult.

The biggest post revolutionary horror story has always been the one about the Shah's secret service, SAVAK; fast forward to Tehran today: The so-called 'nameless soldiers of the hidden Imam' (intelligence forces) who are exemplary for their 'compassion and vigilance in uncovering terrorist plots' have been unleashed to penetrate the ranks of the people, gather information and make arrests.

My question is, if they are so quick at uncovering "enemy plots" and so great at "controlling borders so that enemy agents cannot infiltrate the country and carry out their evil plots," and if they are so 'competent in protecting the country's stability and security' and if thanks to their efforts there is no problem regarding the possession of illegal firearms in Iran; how does this correspond with the claims that enemy elements have infiltrated the ranks of the people and are carrying out enemy plots, and that enemy elements are using illegal firearms to shoot protesters and frame the Iranian police.

And if the people who have taken to the streets are all enemy agents and we Iranians all know that most of the protesters are university students, how is it that these 'nameless soldiers of the hidden Imam' have not realized until now that all the students in this country are enemy agents?

I want to know, how is it that security forces claim they have not been given permission to shoot protesters and only when worse comes to worse shots to the lower part of the body are permissible, yet every single person shot by the security forces has been hit in the head or heart?

I respect that in all countries riot police are responsible for the restoration of order, but I cannot defend the unlawful actions of the civil force tasked with enforcing the law.

I want to know why Iranian youth must pay the price for the bitter political power struggle escalating between two 'senior revolutionary figures'?

Iranians did not revolt to wake up three-decades later and see everything that they stood up for, every freedom and change they fought for, paid the price for in blood, is no longer.

The hypocrites, who secretly hijacked the popular revolution of Iran and imposed their will on us, have now dropped all pretense and are openly handing us the 'royal treatment' still fresh in the minds of countless Iranians.

How can they sleep at night knowing what they know and doing what they do?

We have reached the point of no return. It is no longer the restoration of order when 'tanks have been brought out' to combat civilians on the streets.

This is a war zone. This is not my country.

Copyright © 2009 Tehran Bureau


[ Parent ]
I have to say, that's a damn good answer... (2.00 / 1)
1:45 PM ET -- HuffPost asks Obama a question about Iran at press conference. Nico Pitney was given the opportunity to ask a question at Obama's press conference today that came directly from an Iranian. His question for the president was:

"Under which conditions would you accept the election of Ahmadinejad, and if you do accept it without any significant changes in the conditions there, isn't that a betrayal of what the demonstrators there are working toward?"

Obama's response:

Well look, we didn't have international observers on the ground, we can't say definitively what exactly happened at polling places throughout the country. What we know is that a sizeable percentage of the Iranian people themselves, spanning Iranian society, considered this election illegitimate. It's not an isolated instance, a little grumbling here or there. There [are] significant questions about the legitimacy of the election. And so ultimately, the most important thing for the Iranian government to consider is legitimacy in the eyes of its own people, not in the eyes of the United States. And that's why I've been very clear, ultimately this is up to the Iranian people to decide who their leadership is going to be and the structure of their government. What we can do is to say unequivocally that there are sets of international norms and principles about violence, about dealing with peaceful dissent, that spans cultures, spans borders, and what we've been seeing over the Internet and what we've been seeing in news reports, violates those norms and violates those principles. I think it is not too late for the Iranian government to recognize that there is a peaceful path that will lead to stability and legitimacy and prosperity for the Iranian people. We hope they take it.


[ Parent ]
There is an article about this press report on politico (0.00 / 0)
The writer was all upset about the 'planted' question. It was linked to from drudge with the title "OBAMA-HUFFPO CONSPIRE ON STAGED 'IRAN' QUESTION..." I read through the comment thread accompanying the article. My God, those wingnuts really are nuts.

I'm not going to bother linking to the worthless article, but here's a small sampling of the less offensive ones.

Of course the whole thing was staged, just like Obama's town meetings, completely with fake questions and pre-scripted answers. He learned this scam from Bill Clinton. The only way Obama looks good answering questions is when the answers have been cleverly devised by someone else and memorized beforehand.

...

S.O.P. for the Anointed One.  

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Wow..Obama staging a question at a news conference...Say it ain't so! Everything this buffoon does is staged and choreographed. He dances around things better than Fred Astair.

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Obummer and his cronies are way over their pointy Socialist heads when it comes to foreign affairs. This is Obama's economy and Obama's administration, trolls should quit bringing up Bush.

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I love it!!! Someone walked in on barry and huffpo!!!! GET A ROOM!!

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The man-child has spoken. Next answer, ...nevermind your question. Amen.

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Since they took away his teleprompter, he had to get the questions in advance or he'd just be standing there with that stupid look on his face that he gets right before he starts to stutter. Bush may have used index cards, but at least he wasn't being fed the answers...right or wrong.

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surprize, surprize.....o bomb a is a phoney......news at 11.......not!!!! what a waste of time, eyesight, hearing, air, space, human flesh this clown is.

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Journalism is dead. What we now have is nothing more than propaganda. How is the NY Times, NBC or CNN any different that Pravda in the days of the USSR?

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Looks like Emperor Hopey Change is wearing no close. Which is to say our nation is being led by an insipid, vacuous, spineless fool.

and the penultimate comment.

Cassandra; The only unconstrained hatred I read on these sights usually comes from your side -- the deranged and insane left!


"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross." - Sinclair Lewis


[ Parent ]
Sorry, posted the penultimate and forgot the last one (0.00 / 0)
Worst. Marxist. Muslim. Illegitimate. President. Ever.


"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross." - Sinclair Lewis


[ Parent ]
This is big. (2.00 / 1)
Very big. Does anyone really think this is going to drag out for months like the 1979 revolution? I don't. I think this will be resolved before the end of the summer.  

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross." - Sinclair Lewis


[ Parent ]
But Old (0.00 / 0)
That was over a week ago.

[ Parent ]
Oh, I thought it was a new statement (0.00 / 0)
made within the last day.

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross." - Sinclair Lewis


[ Parent ]
I know there won't be anyone in opposition to care or believe, (0.00 / 0)
but I have volunteered at those townhall meetings and it is overwhelmingly clear that there isn't a planned question in the room.  That would require the local volunteer (who I have known) with the microphone knowing in advance who to pick and the questioner would have to be an air-tight part of the Conspiracy, never leaking a word.

You would have to have your beanie on much too tight to even begin to believe that was logistically possible.

"Conway, whom experience had taught that rudeness was by no means a guarantee of good faith, was even less inclined to regard a well-turned phrase as a proof of insincerity."  James Hilton, Lost Horizon


[ Parent ]
can't speak to that... (0.00 / 0)
but there is some merit to criticizing the merit and methods of planting questions - i think millbank also had a piece about this.  

"I spend my days and nights pondering the meaning of life, the state of the universe, and the Home Shopping Network." -- Donald Roller Wilson

[ Parent ]
There is a difference between planting questions (2.00 / 1)
and soliciting them. The WH was aware of Nico's posts on HuffPo about Iran. They reached out to him and told him they were interested in taking a question about Iran from an Iranian POV. Nico had been soliciting such questions for several days and the WH said, "That sounds like a good idea. We will try to call on  you during the presser." That's apparently what happened. The specific question wasn't planted or known by the WH ahead of time. Apparently, they only knew what I've stated above.

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross." - Sinclair Lewis


[ Parent ]
Something I've been thinking about recently (2.00 / 3)
is the clampdown on information in Iran. What does the regime think will happen if they manage to suppress the green revolution? They will have to open up communications sooner or later. Everything that has gone out and been posted to the 'Net will come back to haunt them eventually. They can't keep the population isolated forever. Neither can China, for that matter.

Change is coming. Enabled by a simple little file transfer protocol intended to make it easier for researchers to share documents. By a strange twist of fate, TCP/IP, the main network protocol that the Internet runs over, and the Iranian Islamic Revolution are about the same age. I believe I said in a recent comment that I thought the Internet was the greatest force for democracy since the printing press. If I didn't say it, I should have.  

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross." - Sinclair Lewis


You Said It (2.00 / 2)
'The Internet treats censorship like damage and routes around it.'  And the Web archives it meticulously, and sometimes irreverently.

[ Parent ]
Where Do We Go From Here (2.00 / 3)
Seems we are at the 'end of the beginning' of events in Iran.  It will be interesting how the next weeks unfold but it seems, for the moment, that the ability of the Mousavi campaign to organise and mobilise public protest has suffered from the reformist arrests of the past week and the interdiction of their communication networks both virtual and traditional, the suspension and arrest of staff of allied newspapers strikes me as being particularly damaging.  It seems that an arrest or further constraints on Mousavi may also be imminent.  I'm guessing it is time for them to regroup and renew the struggle with more sustainable tactics as has been noted elsewhere, but this will take some time.

Having said that, however, my guess is that the situation as it stands is not particularly favourable to the regime on a number of levels, both domestically and internationally, and there is clearly nothing that they can do to remedy this.  The participation of Khamenei in the election dispute has seriously eroded his authority, even among the devoted, and the imposition of martial law is a highly visible affront and nuisance to the entire population which belies the explanations offered.  Ahmadenijad is keeping a low profile and that seems wise, much of his bombastic rhetoric of the last four years is directly contradicted by the evidence of the average Iranian's own eyes.  The argument put forward that the Mousavi campaign was intentionally seditious, that the killings were the work of 'miscreants' and that the movement is a plot by foreign influences will only be believed by those predisposed to do so and will likely raise reasonable doubt among many who would not otherwise have cause to question the regimes motives or actions.

As far as Iran's international influence the events of the last two weeks have basically already achieved a significant erosion of their power, both moral and political, in the region.  Even Netanyahu will now be hard pressed to make the case that Iran is the immediate issue facing the Israel/Palestine peace process and Hamas and Hezbollah must be apprehensive regarding their assumption of political and theological legitimacy not to mention their ongoing financial support in this period of uncertainty regarding Iran's leadership and it's demonstrably autocratic behaviours.  The regime may have censored news within Iran but the story of the movement against them by their own people has been credibly broadcast throughout the Middle East.

In spite of their uncomprimising rhetoric and apparent dominance in the street this is clearly an unsustainable situation for the regime and even a notional resistance on the part of the reformist movement will keep the pressure uncomfortable.  Tick-tock.


Am I just being naïve or what? (2.00 / 1)
It's getting so bad over there it's hard to even read the tweets anymore. People thrown off bridges, hewn with axes, injured being dumped in desert instead of treated, phones/Internet cut off, etc. Why doesn't some Muslim nation over there step in to try to quell the violence? If one did, others would too. And then maybe the West could get involved -- or not. But somewhere, some fellow Muslims have to be as outraged as we are about the wanton killings and beatings! Why can't this happen?

~~Cheryl

I love my country, but I think we should start seeing other people.


Iran stands nearly alone in that area. (2.00 / 2)
The other countries in the area view Iran as a threat. They may all be Muslim nations, but that's where the similarities end. The majority of Iranians are Shi'ites. Most of the other countries in that region, except for Iraq, are Sunni. All of the countries that might be expected to help are Arab countries. There are several ethnic groups in Iran with Persians being slightly over 50% of the population. Iranian Arabs are a small minority. The result is that there is a natural distrust between Iran and the Arab nations. Don't look for the Arab League to be any help in this. Ironically, the only help might come from Iraq. Ayatollah Sistania has already come out in favor of the opposition. He lives in Iraq, but is the most respected of all Shi'ite clerics. The second highest may be Ayatollah Montezari, who you have probably seen mentioned on this blog. He has also voiced support for the opposition.  

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross." - Sinclair Lewis


[ Parent ]
well... (0.00 / 0)
i would take this a bit further - the other countries in the region that would seemingly condemn these types of acts/ the propping up of hezbollah in iran to the quest for nuclear weapons have made moderate arab nations like egypt quite mistrustful of iran.

its also important not to forget that the term arab and iranian are not mutually exclusive. in fact - this is a huge bone of contention for persians.


"I spend my days and nights pondering the meaning of life, the state of the universe, and the Home Shopping Network." -- Donald Roller Wilson


[ Parent ]
Huh? (0.00 / 0)
Arabs make up only a small portion of the Iranian population. They could be considered mutually exclusive, except for that small portion.

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross." - Sinclair Lewis


[ Parent ]
i think we are saying the same thing. n/t (0.00 / 0)


"I spend my days and nights pondering the meaning of life, the state of the universe, and the Home Shopping Network." -- Donald Roller Wilson

[ Parent ]
Here is an article that goes into far more detail about why (2.00 / 1)
the Arab nations won't get involved. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06...

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross." - Sinclair Lewis


[ Parent ]
Thanks John (0.00 / 0)
That was an informative article. Apparently the specter of hundreds of peaceful demonstrators being gassed, clubbed, axed, shot, and kidnapped virtually next door doesn't trump the political mileage that the situation could potentially yield, sadly enough.

~~Cheryl

I love my country, but I think we should start seeing other people.


[ Parent ]
Iran state TV airing "confessions" of protesters who claim to have been influenced by Foreign Spies. (2.00 / 1)
Also stating that they found a building where the conspiracy was planned.

Now the disinformation starts to pick up pace.

"Conway, whom experience had taught that rudeness was by no means a guarantee of good faith, was even less inclined to regard a well-turned phrase as a proof of insincerity."  James Hilton, Lost Horizon


Sounds like they are setting the stage for an arrest of Mousavi. (2.00 / 2)
That could very likely backfire, but the gov't hasn't shown the best judgment so far, so I wouldn't be surprised to see them make a mistake like that. In fact, they've already made that kind of mistake by arresting 5 members of the Rafsanjani family and then ended up releasing all of them.

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross." - Sinclair Lewis


[ Parent ]
There's a report on HuffintonPost (2.00 / 1)
that Mousavi's legal advisor has been arrested.

2:23 PM ET -- Mousavi legal adviser reportedly arrested. An Iranian journalist on Twitter reports, "Ardeshir Amir Arjman, who is in charge of Mousavi campain's [sic] legal matters is arrested."


Hey Tancredo ~ I can spell "vote" and I can spell "bigot," too.

[ Parent ]
That Building (2.00 / 2)
Was apparently the Mousavi campaign headquarters they raided on Monday.

[ Parent ]
The silence is deafening (2.00 / 1)
Where are the voices of Muslim clerics in the US? It is unconscionable that Muslim leaders in the free world are not raising their voices to protest the actions of a theocracy run amok and a government that sanctions savagery of the most hideous sort. For shame!  

In that, Iran is a bit of an odd duck (2.00 / 2)
in that it is primarily Shia, and most of the rest of the major Islamic nations are Sunni...

Iraq has its own Shia-Sunni breakdown, and with Lebanese elements of Hezbollah, they've made their choice.

But it's not just clerics in this country, most of the Muslim world has been oddly quiet about the whole affair. So long as Shia are wapping on Shia, and in their own borders, it's hard for anyone else to get excited. Or more importantly, there is concern for how that will be interpreted by the Shia and even Sufi minorities.


[ Parent ]
How do we know that clerics in the U.S. and other countries aren't already speaking out? (2.00 / 2)
Do you really expect the media to tell us? They don't bother to tell us when Muslims rally against extremists or when senior clerics condemn groups like the Taliban. If you listen to the MSM no one in the Muslim world will speak out against extremism because they are afraid. Yet, if you look you can find examples easily. The key words there are "if you look." Those examples don't fit the storyline so they are ignored.

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross." - Sinclair Lewis


[ Parent ]
Hey, why report on a hokey religion (2.00 / 3)
and ancient weapons when we got blasters at our side?

[ Parent ]
Guardians of Peace and Justice (2.00 / 2)
'Your father's account password. This is the weapon of a Twitter Knight. Not as clumsy or random as a blaster; an elegant weapon for a more civilized age.'

[ Parent ]
The Martyrdom of Neda goes on... (2.00 / 4)
Not sure if you all caught this news from yesterday, but it gives an insight into the brutal and callous clampdown of the Iranian hardliners

Sorry for the long post, but worth quoting in full

Neda Soltan's family 'forced out of home' by Iranian authorities


The Home of Neda Agha Soltan

The Iranian authorities have ordered the family of Neda Agha Soltan out of their Tehran home after shocking images of her death were circulated around the world.

Neighbours said that her family no longer lives in the four-floor apartment building on Meshkini Street, in eastern Tehran, having been forced to move since she was killed. The police did not hand the body back to her family, her funeral was cancelled, she was buried without letting her family know and the government banned mourning ceremonies at mosques, the neighbours said.

"We just know that they [the family] were forced to leave their flat," a neighbour said. The Guardian was unable to contact the family directly to confirm if they had been forced to leave.

The government is also accusing protesters of killing Soltan, describing her as a martyr of the Basij militia. Javan, a pro-government newspaper, has gone so far as to blame the recently expelled BBC correspondent, Jon Leyne, of hiring "thugs" to shoot her so he could make a documentary film.

Soltan was shot dead on Saturday evening near the scene of clashes between pro-government militias and demonstrators, turning her into a symbol of the Iranian protest movement. Barack Obama spoke of the "searing image" of Soltan's dying moments at his press conference yesterday.

Amid scenes of grief in the Soltan household with her father and mother screaming, neighbours not only from their building but from others in the area streamed out to protest at her death. But the police moved in quickly to quell any public displays of grief. They arrived as soon as they found out that a friend of Soltan had come to the family flat.

In accordance with Persian tradition, the family had put up a mourning announcement and attached a black banner to the building.

But the police took them down, refusing to allow the family to show any signs of mourning. The next day they were ordered to move out. Since then, neighbours have received suspicious calls warning them not to discuss her death with anyone and not to make any protest.

A tearful middle-aged woman who was an immediate neighbour said her family had not slept for days because of the oppressive presence of the Basij militia, out in force in the area harassing people since Soltan's death.

The area in front of Soltan's house was empty today. There was no sign of black cloths, banners or mourning. Secret police patrolled the street.

"We are trembling," one neighbour said. "We are still afraid. We haven't had a peaceful time in the last days, let alone her family. Nobody was allowed to console her family, they were alone, they were under arrest and their daughter was just killed. I can't imagine how painful it was for them. Her friends came to console her family but the police didn't let them in and forced them to disperse and arrested some of them. Neda's family were not even given a quiet moment to grieve."

Another man said many would have turned up to show their sympathy had it not been for the police.

"In Iran, when someone dies, neighbours visit the family and will not let them stay alone for weeks but Neda's family was forced to be alone, otherwise the whole of Iran would gather here," he said. "The government is terrible, they are even accusing pro-Mousavi people of killing Neda and have just written in their websites that Neda is a Basiji (government militia) martyr. That's ridiculous - if that's true why don't they let her family hold any funeral or ceremonies? Since the election, you are not able to trust one word from the government." A shopkeeper said he had often met Soltan, who used to come to his store.

"She was a kind, innocent girl. She treated me well and I appreciated her behaviour. I was surprised when I found out that she was killed by the riot police. I knew she was a student as she mentioned that she was going to university. She always had a nice peaceful smile and now she has been sacrificed for the government's vote-rigging in the presidential election."



Moose Juice; debate without hate

Picture of Neda (2.00 / 4)
Appeared in Kabul, opposite the Iranian embassy.  Via Twitpic.

[ Parent ]
This is particularly troublesome for Iran. (2.00 / 3)
They cooperated with the US to oust the Taliban in Afghanistan because Afghanistan can be a lot of trouble for Iran.  Fostering anti-Iranian sentiment in Afghanistan is not the first thing the Iranian regime needs.

"Conway, whom experience had taught that rudeness was by no means a guarantee of good faith, was even less inclined to regard a well-turned phrase as a proof of insincerity."  James Hilton, Lost Horizon

[ Parent ]
The government keeps killing her over again with their actions toward (2.00 / 3)
the family.

I hope they find the strength and some peace to deal with their loss.

Hey Tancredo ~ I can spell "vote" and I can spell "bigot," too.


[ Parent ]
Video of Basij firing from a rooftop (2.00 / 2)
comes about a minute into the video.  The anchor says that they have been able to confirm that the video is from June 20 and corresponds to the first account that Neda was shot by a rooftop sniper.  I don't mean to suggest that it is this guy who shot her; there are other reports that she was shot by someone on a motorcycle.  But the video does confirm that Basij were shooting into the crowds.

h/t Nico for the video.  He also has a new video that seems to be of Neda and her professor walking in an alleyway.

Hey Tancredo ~ I can spell "vote" and I can spell "bigot," too.


BBC has a heart-breaking interview with the doctor (2.00 / 2)
who tried to save Neda.  BBC

Dr Arash Hejazi, who is studying at a university in the south of England, said he ran to Neda Agha-Soltan's aid after seeing she had been shot in the chest.

Despite his attempts to stop the bleeding she died in less than a minute, he said.

Dr Hejazi says he posted the video of Ms Soltan's death on the internet and images of her have become a rallying point for Iranian opposition supporters around the world.

snip

"I was there with some friends because we had heard that there were some protests and we decided to go and take a look," he said.

"Anti-riot police were coming by motorcycles towards the crowd."

Dr Hejazi said he saw Ms Soltan, who he did not know, with an older man who he thought was her father but later on learned was her music teacher.

"Suddenly everything turned crazy. The police threw teargas and the motorcycles started rushing towards the crowd. We ran to an intersection and people were just standing. They didn't know what to do.

"We heard a gunshot. Neda was standing one metre away from me. I turned back and I saw blood gushing out of Neda's chest.

"She was in a shocked situation, just looking at her chest. The she lost her control.

"We ran to her and lay her on the ground. I saw the bullet wound just below the neck with blood gushing out.

"I have never seen such a thing because the bullet, it seemed to have blasted inside her chest, and later on, blood exiting from her mouth and nose.

"I had the impression that it had hit the lung as well. Her blood was draining out of her body and I was just putting pressure on the wound to try to stop the bleeding, which wasn't successful unfortunately, and she died in less than one minute."

It's s 19-minute video and worth listening to until the end.


Hey Tancredo ~ I can spell "vote" and I can spell "bigot," too.


Video (2.00 / 3)


"Conway, whom experience had taught that rudeness was by no means a guarantee of good faith, was even less inclined to regard a well-turned phrase as a proof of insincerity."  James Hilton, Lost Horizon

[ Parent ]
Someone needs to give this guy a hug. (2.00 / 3)
Or me one.  I think we all need one.

"Conway, whom experience had taught that rudeness was by no means a guarantee of good faith, was even less inclined to regard a well-turned phrase as a proof of insincerity."  James Hilton, Lost Horizon

[ Parent ]
Ironic (2.00 / 3)
An Iranian ambassador interviewed by CNN's Wolf Blitzer recently asserted that Neda was assassinated by the CIA.  That this doctor's eyewitness testimony emerges at the same time reinforces the fatal disconnect between what is considered credible within Iran's establishment and what is obvious to the world at large, including the rest of the Middle East.

They are promoting lies which are only believable to those whom have already succumbed to the Orwellian twilight of the hard-line Islamist world-view and which are likely to push large numbers of moderates and waverers worldwide into further doubts.


[ Parent ]
Hmmm, reminds me of the RW part of the GOP. (2.00 / 2)


Hey Tancredo ~ I can spell "vote" and I can spell "bigot," too.

[ Parent ]
Curiously (2.00 / 3)
They seem to have a lot in common these days, including an abiding affection, one might even say co-dependency, for each other and their mutually reinforcing antagonisms.

[ Parent ]
Yeah, it's twisted but the straight answer might be: (2.00 / 1)
"Well, a year ago it could have been the CIA.  But the paranoid freaks who might do something like that aren't in power over here anymore.  They're only in power over there."

"Conway, whom experience had taught that rudeness was by no means a guarantee of good faith, was even less inclined to regard a well-turned phrase as a proof of insincerity."  James Hilton, Lost Horizon

[ Parent ]
Well Said (2.00 / 2)
May they all fall into the tar pit together, and Netanyahu along with them.  

"Fear leads to anger; anger leads to hate; hate leads to suffering."

Yoda - Star Wars I



[ Parent ]
It's the two sides of the coin of struggle. (2.00 / 1)
The one side says: "We can make them look bad and no-one will ever know it was us."  The other side says: "*We* will know, and it will poison us from the inside.  Besides, if they really are bad they'll probably do it to themselves anyway."

I've ridden this line throughout my career, in both business ethics and information security ethos.  Sure you can do bad things that are to your advantage, but if you don't you can maintain the honest position that you aren't the bad guy.  It involves a lot of biting your own tongue, but I just can't see myself managing all the lies and still keeping an honest face to the world.

You don't always win the short battles but you always (or often enough) win the wars.

"Conway, whom experience had taught that rudeness was by no means a guarantee of good faith, was even less inclined to regard a well-turned phrase as a proof of insincerity."  James Hilton, Lost Horizon


[ Parent ]
That's Exactly the Point (2.00 / 2)
I agree.  I have the same professional issues, speak the truth now and be condemned, side-lined or ignored.  Six months or a year later when the project has gone awry, much along the lines you predicted, and you get called back in to sort out the mess.

Long term vs short term, elder vs warrior.  Both important but in careful and conscious balance.


[ Parent ]
It's like the GOP meltdown. (2.00 / 3)
I'm always amazed at some of my hard-right friends who have backed away from the Foaming GOP.  Comes a point when all your buddies suddenly have appointments they can't break and you're all alone in your madness...

"Conway, whom experience had taught that rudeness was by no means a guarantee of good faith, was even less inclined to regard a well-turned phrase as a proof of insincerity."  James Hilton, Lost Horizon

[ Parent ]
Does anyone know what, if anything, Iran exports to USA? (2.00 / 2)
I've tried a Google search, but mostly I find exports to Iran, not vice versa. I got the bright idea to write to their embassy, as a private citizen, and pledge a personal boycott of any products made in Iran or with Iranian components. But I can't find any!

~~Cheryl

I love my country, but I think we should start seeing other people.


You mean, besides oil? (2.00 / 1)
Not much. And boycotting oil from one country is pretty much impossible, since the world oil market is really one big pool.

Actually, now that I think of it, Iran still produces fine carpets. I don't know whether they are imported into the U.S.A.

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross." - Sinclair Lewis


[ Parent ]
I thought they import most of their oil (2.00 / 1)
That's what their citizens believe, anyway.

~~Cheryl

I love my country, but I think we should start seeing other people.


[ Parent ]
You are joking, right? (0.00 / 0)


"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross." - Sinclair Lewis


[ Parent ]
In a Way That's True (1.33 / 3)
Iran, ironically, is dependant on imported gasoline:


Iran has one of the cheapest gas prices in the world: 8 cents per liter (33 cents per gallon) while mineral water sells for 13 cents a liter, because the government subsidies many basic commodities, including gasoline, totalling more than $100 billion per year (2007/2008) - $7 billion worth of gasoline imports as of 2006 alone, because of lack of domestic refining capacity. Iran has also one of the highest gas consumption per capita in the world because of contraband with neighboring countries and public waste (domestic consumption increasing 10% per year). This problem of dependency on imports has also national security ramifications because of possible sanctions on gasoline imports.

Ministry of Petroleum of Iran Wikipedia

Crazy, eh?


[ Parent ]
kind of like canada... (2.00 / 1)
i think we are the largest exporter of oil to the US yet the prices of our gasoline are higher.

"I spend my days and nights pondering the meaning of life, the state of the universe, and the Home Shopping Network." -- Donald Roller Wilson

[ Parent ]
That's a tax thing. (2.00 / 1)
I have a friend in Ontario I have this conversation with all the time.  The price of oil is a global thing, doesn't matter where you produce it.  He is convinced that Canadian producers should be forced to sell oil to Canadians for less than they could sell it to foreigners for.  That's as rabidly nationalistic as it is possible to be.

Gas (and everything else) in Canada is expensive primarily because the taxes are astronomical.

"Conway, whom experience had taught that rudeness was by no means a guarantee of good faith, was even less inclined to regard a well-turned phrase as a proof of insincerity."  James Hilton, Lost Horizon


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yes - taxes are high. (2.00 / 1)
but i am pretty sure that even w/o them our prices are higher.

"I spend my days and nights pondering the meaning of life, the state of the universe, and the Home Shopping Network." -- Donald Roller Wilson

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Not really. (0.00 / 0)
There are layers of taxes in Canadian prices that add up.  Healthcare is paid for by taxes on businesses, so those costs are built into everything before taxes are added on top.  For example, 83% of the retail price of a typical bottle of Canadian liquor is paid to federal and provincial governments in taxes. This was 1995, but I'm fairly certain taxes on booze have not gone down since.

Interestingly, there is this on this page as well:

Liquor is smuggled into the country in commercial quantities by organized crime. Once in Canada, the distribution network is fragmented and there is a broad range of groups and individuals involved in conveying the liquor into the hands of the end user.

Gasoline taxes in Ontario are about US$1.15/gallon or about 1/3 of the price.  Here in Florida the tax is $.30/gal, US average is $.50/gal - or about 1/6th of the price.

"Conway, whom experience had taught that rudeness was by no means a guarantee of good faith, was even less inclined to regard a well-turned phrase as a proof of insincerity."  James Hilton, Lost Horizon


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No, not joking, John (2.00 / 1)
All I could find in a Google search was Iranian imports to the USA, not exports. Also in many of the tweets coming out of Tehran, they were begging us not to sent oil there. They said Iran depends on OUR oil. Maybe they were deceived?

~~Cheryl

I love my country, but I think we should start seeing other people.


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You sure you didn't read those tweets wrong? (0.00 / 0)
Could they have been urging other countries to not buy Iranian oil? That is what funds the gov't. Oil revenues make up 50% or more of all gov't spending according to sources I found. Iran has the 3rd largest oil reserves in the world.

BTW, my question was about Iranians believing their country imports most of its oil. You must have been thinking of gasoline. They do import gasoline, as Shaun pointed out, but that is changing as they bring more and more refining capacity online.

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross." - Sinclair Lewis


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Ah, maybe that's how I got confused... (0.00 / 0)
I can barely keep track of myself some days, let alone the complexities of international trade! :-)

Thanks.

I love my country, but I think we should start seeing other people.


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Are you like me, (0.00 / 0)
meeting yourself coming and going?

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross." - Sinclair Lewis


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From 2008 (2.00 / 4)
Hard to find, isn't it?:


The total exports of Iran to US for 2007 reached $173.19 million. Of this total amount, 56.21% went to rugs and other textile floor coverings which is equivalent to $97.35 million. Other notable goods on the top spot were: Fruits and preparations including frozen juices; artwork, antiques, stamps and other collectibles; nuts and preparations; fish and shellfish; vegetables and preparations; tea, spices and preparations; bakery and confectionary products; alcoholic beverages except wine and related products; and cane and beet sugar.

US-Iran Trade Relations: Friendship Gearing To Democracy Foreign TRADEX

This makes interesting, if trivial, reading as well:


Analysis of US government trade figures published yesterday by Associated Press revealed a near tenfold increase in US sales to Iran over the past seven years. Goods included cigarettes, aircraft spare parts, bras, musical instruments, films, sculpture, fur, golf carts and snowmobiles. Although the sums involved are small, the disclosure is a political embarrassment for the US, coming at a time when it has been putting pressure on European governments, banks and companies to cut ties with Tehran.

Ewen MacAskill - Iran trade: White House's hostile rhetoric fails to stem flow of exports to regime under sanctions The Guardian 9 Jul 08

I can understand the snowmobiles, but golf carts?  Maybe for use underground in Natanz, I guess, like in the bad James Bond movies.


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Anyone Else Notice? (2.00 / 2)
On the subject of entire cycle of The Lord of the Rings trilogy as the chosen distraction for the Iranian public during these disturbances, wasn't this a very, very bad idea?:


I wonder which official picked this film, starting to suspect, even hope, that there is a subversive soul manning the controls at seda va sima, central broadcasting.  It is way too easy to find political meaning in the film, to draw comparisons to what is happening in real life.

Watching The Lord of the Rings in Tehran Time 25 Jun 09

To anyone who has revered these films as a cinematic expression of the eternal 'you fascists are gonna' lose' narrative, and who recognises they were a solemn mythology written with Jungian depth during the Second World War at the height of Britain's unequal struggle against the forces of darkness, this has got to go down as the worst programming decision of the new century.  They should have shown Riefenstahl's Triumph of the Will, I'm guessing.


Oh, but the people in power think they are the good guys. (2.00 / 1)
The opposition are CIA backed terrorists Orks.

What I find ironic is that this is a movie based on novels written by an Englishman and produced by an American company.

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross." - Sinclair Lewis


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Yeah, but... (2.00 / 1)
The basij are clearly the Uruk-hai in this modern reenactment.  And he wasn't merely an Englishman, he and his sweetheart used to frequent the balcony overlooking the pavement of a Birmingham tea-shop and 'sit and throw sugarlumps into the hats of passers-by.'  He was clearly an avatar.

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Oops, misspelled orcs (2.00 / 1)
my bad.

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross." - Sinclair Lewis


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That's the Warhammer Spelling (0.00 / 0)
Have you betrayed yourself as a 40k fan perhaps?  I have an Imperial Guard Steel Legion 1750 point army myself.

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Nope, just an old man. (2.00 / 1)
"Have you betrayed yourself as a 40k fan perhaps?"

I first read the stories close to 50 years ago. I've reread it a couple of times since then.

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross." - Sinclair Lewis


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No Spring Chicken Myself (2.00 / 2)
Have to wear 'granny glasses' to paint my model army.  Steel Legion is OoP (out of production) so I have to rely on eBay esoterica for purchases, at one point I was getting little packets every week from all over the world converging on my [very] small village post-office.  After a few weeks of this the postmaster couldn't resist asking, 'What are all of these parcels?' with uncharacteristic curiousity.  'I am building my own army,' I said and left.

In every little village there are notoriously eccentric personalities and I feel I do my part to sustain the 'brand.'  I don't get a lot of unannounced visitors.


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Glad you see LOR the right way (2.00 / 1)
It was Tolkien's subversion of the Wagnerian Ring cycle - instead of seeking power, seek to destroy it.

Moose Juice; debate without hate

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Perhaps Some Other Diary Sometime (2.00 / 1)
It's interesting to note that even an academic study of the Third Reich crisscrosses the trail of a titanic magical struggle which is nowhere better chronicled, metaphysically speaking, than in the pages of Tolkein's magnum opus.  I just finished reading a scholarly work on the Ariosophists of early 19th century Germany which makes sober reading.  

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From the Green Brief #9 (2.00 / 4)
1. Protesters continued to swarm the streets of Tehran today, however, the number of security forces deployed to stop them from gathering in large numbers proved effective. We had previously reported that large numbers of motorcycles have been brought into Tehran by the government and given over to Basij and other security forces. They are being used very efficiently to mobilize the security forces and protesters are being hunted down wherever they are suspected to be. In the mess, several people who aren't protesters have also been beaten as the beatings have turned to indiscriminate persecution of citizens of Iran.

2. News of protesters came from different parts of Tehran, but confirmation as always have been a bit tricky as twitter sources continue to give out information that is sometimes uniform and at times widely divergent. What we were able to confirm was that a large mass of people that tried to gather at martyred protester Neda's grave site was beaten and dispersed. No one was allowed to stand near her grave for more than a few seconds as police actively sought to beat the protesters out of the area. There were reports of Basijis firing at people from atop a mosque in Tehran. It can be partially confirmed, however, the number of casualties cannot be.

3. The Minister of Interior in the mean time has declined to issue a request for the holding of requests by Mousavi's supporters. He has stated that any permits need to be sought in person at least 7 days before the planned date. (There are reports, however, that Mousavi has been granted a permit for a small rally tomorrow.) Chants of Allah o Akbar and Ya Hossein echoed across Tehran yet again and there were reports of protests in Shiraz by university students and a strike in Tabriz. (I can only partially confirm this as only a few of my reliable sources could confirm it.)

4. As reported yesterday, no massacre can be confirmed to have occurred in Baharestan square. Readers have sent me several photographs of bodies with gaping wounds that might suggest the use of axes - I have confirmed ISOLATED use of axes in the previous report -, however, all of the photos have been from past protests. As of yet, the claim by Mainstream Media that there was a massacre at Baharestan cannot be confirmed. (At the time of the writing of this brief, many have retracted their previous statements and some have actually began to kill the story that was used to increase viewership of US TV networks...)

5. In new statements today, Mousavi, Khatami and Rezaei have pledged their support for the cause of the protesters yet again. Mousavi released a statement today declaring that he won't back down from their legitimate demands. He also accused the people who have rigged the election of the violence that has wracked Tehran and continues to destabilize the country. Rezaei who has taken back his complaints to the Guardian Council regarding the election has yet against said that he has not abandoned the protesters. According to him, he has only taken back the complaints and the cause of the protesters and just and must be followed until successful. Khatami declared today that everyone should stand up because opportunities like these are rare and will not be granted again.

6. There were reports today indicating that several journalists that have been arrested in the past few days have been transferred to Evin prison. A Washington Time correspondent who was arrested yesterday was about to leave the country through Tehran's main airport when he was arrested. The government's media outlets have claimed that John Layne - the BBC correspondent in Tehran who was forced to leave Tehran days ago - was behind the murder of Neda. They claim that he hired people to gun her down so he could then report on it and use it in a documentary he is making.

7. Seyed Alireza Beheshti Shirazi, the editor in chief of Kalameh Sabz newspaper which is pro-Mousavi, who was arrested yesterday, has still not been released. Of the 70 professors that were arrested after meeting Mousavi yesterday, 66 have been released by the Iranian government. The fate of the rest remains unknown. More and more people were arrested today for even wearing green signs or any clothing that had the color green. The Society for the Defense of Prisoners' Rights has announced that they are ready to provide legal aid to recent detainees and their families.

8. Government sources now confirm that eight Basijis have so far been killed in the protests. The number cannot be confirmed using our sources. So far, even the most impartial twitter sources have not confirmed that any protester has succeeded in taking the life of a Basiji. (Apparently, many have wished for their death and would show great joy if it can be confirmed as their brutality has been quite pronounced in the past few days.) Sources also claim that Basijis are receiving extravagant amounts of money as per diem in order to secure their loyalty.

9. A group of Iranian lawyers - most of them female - have released a statement, asking the government to cancel Nobel-laureate Shirin Ebadi's law license. They claim that she has acted unconstitutionally by contacting governments outside Iran and asked them to interfere in Iran's internal affairs. They also accuse her of breaching Islamic verdicts.

10. Meanwhile, Ali Abbaspour, a prominent parliamentarian and the head of the education committee in the parliament, has told the media that they are insistent on impartial investigations being carried out on the attacks in various universities inside Tehran and other parts of the country. Reports also indicate of Parliament Speaker Ali Larijani's continued marginalization by the government. He is being reported as one of the top men inside the regime who is slowly moving towards the cause of the protesters.

11. Finally, we can now confirm that Grand Ayatollah Hossein Ali Montazeri has broken his silence and denounced the current spate of violence that's been carried out against peaceful protesters. He asked the people of Iran to seek their rightful demands through peaceful means. He also criticized the government's actions and said that the violence carried out against protesters is clearly different from what Islam teaches.

12. Ayatollah Khamenei has a planned speech during the Friday prayers today in Tehran. That will commence at 2:30 AM Pacific Time. I will upload the transcript of the speech in English within an hour of it's delivery on iran.whyweprotest.net and posting a link on my twitter account. You can also tune into BBC if you want to see it live with an English translation.

Sorry the last few days have been light on news--actually have to work, and getting ready for multiple tours with a bare bones crew means not a lot of sleep for Hubie. But, if you're in Phoenix, come on out and check out Clapton tonight...


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Would love to go to that Clapton concert. (2.00 / 2)
Listening to Clapton and JJ Cale's The Road to Escondido right now.

About the report, it looks like the gov't has managed to throttle the protests and the events over the coming days may be more about strikes and other forms of civil disobedience.

The reports about Parliament Speaker Ali Larijani's marginalization are interesting. As are the reports that Rezai has not conceded the fight.

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross." - Sinclair Lewis


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Guess what (2.00 / 2)
My son has bought myself and my oldest friend (I don't mean he's old I mean I've known him since I was eleven) to see Neil Young in Hyde Park tomorrow.

A bizarre circularity this. At his age me and my old friend used to play Needle and the Damage done, and dream about women listening to 'A Man Needs a Maid' late at night:

A while ago I don't know when
I was watching a movie with a friend
I fell in love with the actress
She was playing a role that I could understand.

My son now has learned these tunes, and he joins us both playing along. I can't imagine liking any of the songs from my parents collection when I was his age.

The rock and roll generation it seems will never die.



Moose Juice; debate without hate


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Feeling extreme envy right now..... nt (2.00 / 2)


[ Parent ]
no (2.00 / 1)
doggies in the window for you?  

What a relief!

[ Parent ]
In our family, (2.00 / 2)
we have 3 generations that listen to AC/DC, among other bands. Also, my grandson is continuously coming to me and telling me to listen to this or that Indie song.

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross." - Sinclair Lewis


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