Al, at this point...

by: hubiestubert

Wed Feb 02, 2011 at 13:31:03 PM EST


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hubiestubert :: Al, at this point...
It was a reasoned response, if you understand the issues.

"In fact, scientists have been warning for at least two decades that global warming could make snowstorms more severe. Snow has two simple ingredients: cold and moisture. Warmer air collects moisture like a sponge until it hits a patch of cold air. When temperatures dip below freezing, a lot of moisture creates a lot of snow."

"A rise in global temperature can create all sorts of havoc, ranging from hotter dry spells to colder winters, along with increasingly violent storms, flooding, forest fires and loss of endangered species."

The problem is that Al Gore has tainted this issue with his insistence on framing the issue of climate change in terms of "Global Warming." It is a branding issue largely, once you dip into the science of climate change.

The problem lies in that most folks aren't dipping into the science. In framing things under the rubric of
Global Warming it not only allows misconceptions to bloom, it gives folks who reject climate change as a matter to latch onto this particular phrase.  Common sense folks, who look upon these blustery, blizzardy conditions hear "Global Warming" and short circuit to themselves, "How in the hell can this man be talking warming when it's so goddamn cold?"  

To be clear, the evidence that we are seeing climatic changes as a result of man made conditions is mounting. The loss in the polar caps, and the large amounts of fresh water dumped into those seas affects energy transfers across the globe.  That shift in energy transfer has growing evidence of climatic shifts that do much more than simply warm or cool. It shifts energy patterns and transfers that affect weather formation, and throw off climatic systems.  Moreover, the warming aspect carries with it its own dangers to throw things far enough off kilter, that the massive dump of fresh water into the poles, that it could even throw off the Great Ocean Conveyor. That would be catastrophic to current weather patterns, and the agriculture that we base our food supplies on, across the globe as a side effect. Stretches of arable land turned to desert, growth of the ice caps as fresh water is locked up, and that mass of ice furthering the size of the caps, creeping us into a return to conditions that the have more typified the Earth as of late, at least geologically speaking, with a return to another Ice Age.  Currents that drive the oceans, and massive amounts of energy, as well as the oceanlife that thrive in these currents and use them shutting down would be catastrophic to more than just human life, but cause extinction events in the seas as well as on land.

That's hard to grasp, when you only talk about Global Warming.

Al Gore did a great deal to promote the idea of responsibility for our actions, and understanding of the issues at hand. Save that his insistence of the branding of the problem as Global Warming, it now serves as an umbrella to attack him for hiding behind.

We face not just global warming, but climate change on a massive scale. Weather patterns thrown off kilter, energy transfers that fuel storm patterns that we have yet to accomodate and understand.  Shifts in pelagic poputions of various forms of life that affect fishing and the life cycles of many species. Framing the issue as climate change is a far more accurate form of terminology. It also gives the folks who are heavily invested in technologies and processes that fuel the problem less ground to push against, and less arguments to frame by disingenuously attacking the issue on "common sense" grounds and pointing to every blizzard and storm as asking the question of how can global warming explain these tundra conditions?

At this point, maybe Al Gore needs to step aside.  Allow the argument to be framed in the way that it should have been framed from the first.  Not as a matter of "warming" or "cooling" but as a matter of systemic climatic change.  Yes, Climate Change is less catchy and fear-mongery, but fear mongering is not what we need. Nor pithy catch phrases.  What we do need is understanding that our actions are causing shifts in global weather patterns.  That will mean some folks get colder, or warmer. That rain falls that they expected will change. That the storm systems they are used to will change. That lands that were arable thanks to seasonal patterns will be affected. That the investment in infrastructure around these arable lands may become outdated, if not useless.

Gore's insistence on framing things in terms of Global Warming as a brand is hurting his own cause. And the cause of scientists who are doing good research.

Crossposted to The Suicidal Cactus Hour

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Excellent point. (2.00 / 6)
Another problem with Gore's response is that he didn't quote scientists or link to scientific studies in his response. He linked to a column by Clarence Page. The last I knew, Page is not exactly a world-renowned climate scientist.

This is not a recession. It's a robbery.

He's trying to stay relevant (2.00 / 7)
But at this point, he throws up capes in front of bulls.

On a side note: since I have a solid Internet connection again, I'm going to updating The Suicidal Cactus Hour more regularly.  Though, perhaps a bit more eclectically than the past few articles that I've posted here would suggest. Politics is one passion, but it gets heavy at times, especially as of late.  This summer, and the time on the mountain was nice, but not having a solid connection sometimes for days was a pain in the touchis as was in New Mexico.  Got a backlog of bits that I want to do up a treat, and not all of it will be political.  Some cooking, some pop culture, some geek culture, and pieces like this.

I suppose this post is as close as I'm going to go for pimping it out though.  Got a few folks I'm going to try to network out with to get a wider base for it, but if anyone here does like what I do, feel free to subscribe, and I'll annoy you with updates regular from that BlogSpot addy. ;)


Don't feel like you are.... (2.00 / 5)
limited to just posting (or cross-posting) politics here, Hubie. I KNOW that there are A LOT of Moose who would love to see your writing on cooking...and I am sure you would have an audience for near anything you post. Just don't forget to stick a link to The Suicidal Cactus Hour in 'em.

He who has a why to live can bear almost any how.
~Friedrich Nietzsche

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I know I'd be interested in reading some cultural essays. (2.00 / 6)
You've bounced around quite a bit over the last few years. From Arizona to Maine and lots of places in-between. I'd be interested in reading some of your insights about the areas you've visited. You could use local cuisine as a unifying element.

This is not a recession. It's a robbery.

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I have to say it's nice to have some home cooking back in Maine (2.00 / 8)
Saturday beans has been a tradition for a while. Might have to drop a recipe or two.

Nice to be back on the water again. It's amazing how much you miss it after being gone for a while. Well, the whole area really.








From earlier today:





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Damn (2.00 / 6)
I really miss New England.  Sigh.

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Beautiful n/t (2.00 / 4)


The p***artist formerly known as 'Brit'

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Close to home as I got. (2.00 / 6)
Sometimes it takes being away for a while to teach you that...

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You Betcha' (2.00 / 5)
And it runs deep in our psyches.  We have a profound connection with the land and it feels like it actually does extend beyond generations although that could be an illusion of organic chemistry.

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Yeah, that's pretty stuff. (2.00 / 4)
Our kids miss the snow big time.  Need to get up into the mountains.

"Conway, whom experience had taught that rudeness was by no means a guarantee of good faith, was even less inclined to regard a well-turned phrase as a proof of insincerity."  James Hilton, Lost Horizon

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Sigh (2.00 / 5)
My family thinks I'm nuts but I always go home in winter, it is much missed in its absence.

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yep (2.00 / 4)
Need to get up into the mountains.

...better swing by my place on the way to or fro, bro. or else.

Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey
 


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Really stunning how beautiful some of those are. n/t (2.00 / 2)


Soul, heart, and body, we thus singly name,
Are not in love divisible and distinct,
But each with each inseparably link'd.
One is not honour, and the other shame,
But burn as closely fused as fuel, heat, and flame.


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It's weird being back (2.00 / 3)
After Colorado, and being up at 4000' on a regular basis, and then schlepping up to 6000' you get used to a view that extends from one state to another. It's amazing, and you get perspective on the folks who came into the land to settle must have felt. To cross all that land, and see so much more out there, so damn far, yet right there on a horizon that was so damn big, it's humbling.

Now, I'm back in New England, and while the view is gorgeous, it's closed in. Smaller sort of perspective. And it kind of plays on the psychology of the folks here as well. Down East is great country, full of fisherman, farmers, and tradesmen. You have a lot of tiny little churches, and private roads, and folks tend to respect each other's privacy. Every little house, every little plot is its own little kingdom, and you come to town to be with people, and then you hike it up the road back home. You drop in on your neighbors, to check up on them, but in that, you got to respect their need to be off by themselves too.

They're both very American sorts of places--the romanticized sort of ideals. Both filled with a sort of American mystique and tradition. We love the idea of the pioneers, we love the idea of finding lands to call our own, to stake our claims. It may be a tiny plot, or it could be a ranch, or it might even be your walk up apartment with a groaning old elevator, but we stake our our claims. Ours is less a communal living, than a shared space that we come to, and then retreat from. Even in small towns, even in cities, even in communes, we still stake out what is our space, and when we have enough of people, we go into our spaces, and we shut the dang door.

It's sort of the reason why the culture of the Nosey Nellie who wants to tell his neighbor how high their grass should be, or the material for their yard walk needs to be is so anathema to the spirit. Why when folks worry about who you are loving is so damnably offensive. Gossips, there will always be, because we love to chatter about our friends and neighbors, and there is a love of being the one with the insight or the tale to tell, but when folks act on that gossip, that is when it gets to me. You can natter on about Phil and his husband, but when you poke your nose into their business other than to titter on it, then it violates that very American sense of privacy and homestead.

And maybe that comes from being raised up by a good KC Lady. Maybe that comes from being raised in the revolving wheel of places thanks to the Army. Maybe that comes from my eventual stop in Maine, and being struck by the dignity that Down Easters show in the face of their neighbors. But for me, I can't understand the drive to nitpick on folks' lives behind their doors. That's their space, their business.

Outside that? Out on the street? Out in public? Whole different story.

And in part, I think that it's the culture we've built, and influenced by the lay of the land, and our relationship with it.  


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I'm Guessing... (2.00 / 6)
Australians who still don't believe something is seriously amiss with the weather are never going to get it.  Droughts and fires, floods and monster cyclones are making the point very effectively.

Gore is such a terrible communicator. (2.00 / 5)
The DNC speech will always pop to mind when I hear his name.  AKA: "how to kill crowd enthusiasm in your spare time."

"Conway, whom experience had taught that rudeness was by no means a guarantee of good faith, was even less inclined to regard a well-turned phrase as a proof of insincerity."  James Hilton, Lost Horizon

I don't care about Gore (2.00 / 8)
But people have got to understand the difference between weather and climate.

It's been two of the coldest winters in the UK for many decades in the last two years, but Global sea and air temperatures are up.

Oddly enough, the UK is not the whole world. Nor is North America. Climate change, driven by the greenhouse effect of CO2 will cause all kinds of local anomalies.

One that could impact the UK. It's the slow melt of the Polar Icecap, sinking deep down in sub surface currents, which creates the counter movement - the Gulf Stream - which makes Western Europe maritime and clement, though we're on the same latitude as Labrador.

If the Atlantic Conveyor fails, due to Global Warming melting the Artic Ice (the coverage diminishes every year) the net effect on Western Europe will be much colder winters, and much warmer summers, thanks the lack of the insulating effect of Ocean currents.

So Gore was right about Global Warming. But forget him. 95% of all climate scientists agree rapid unprecedented warming is taking place, and an anthropogenic cause (i.e. carbon emissions) is the main reason.

Just because we don't like a politician doesn't mean they're not saying something right.  

The p***artist formerly known as 'Brit'


There's far too much focus on AGW (2.00 / 7)
for these latest events. This is a strong La Niña year. It means more snow in the Northeast and more and stronger cyclones in Australia. AGW is a concernt, perhaps the concern for the early 21st Century, but it doesn't mean every other climate phenomenon has disappeared. For example, the North Atlantic Oscillation (NAO) has an affect on the eastern seaboard and on northern Europe. A weak (negative) NAO in a La Niña year guarantees a winter like the one we've seen so far in the Northeast.

Personally, I think Gore's response on this was wrong. And not just because of the source he chose to quote. People who support the AGW theory constantly ridicule denialists for confusing weather and climate. Yet that's exactly what Gore and others do when they point to a local weather phenomenon as being caused by AGW.

This is not a recession. It's a robbery.


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I Agree... (2.00 / 6)
Local Greens policy is to never attribute any one event as a consequence of climate change but to keep pressing the evidence on indicators which authenticate global trends.

Everyone, it seems, remembers a grandparent who "lived through worse storms-floods-droughts than this."


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To repeat: I don't care about Gore (2.00 / 5)
I care about the scientific evidence. Global temperatures have risen in the last five decades faster than at any time since the Holocene.

AGW is a theory in the same sense Evolution is a theory; it fits with all the observable long term trends.

It's not just 'people' who support this theory, but 95% of climate change scientists across the world.  

The p***artist formerly known as 'Brit'


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Well... (2.00 / 5)
That's the problem, isn't it.  Most of the world's voters are not qualified to assess the empirical evidence in confidence and they are being told porkies.  The typical CEO is probably planning on being long gone before the bleeding obvious dawns on their customers.

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Denialism works! (2.00 / 5)
As the CDO salesmen said, when selling toxic debt as AAA, and asked what would happen when it went underwater

I'll be gone by then


The p***artist formerly known as 'Brit'

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Just Thinking... (2.00 / 4)
Maybe the Athenians were right to only let people vote who had kids.

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Really? Didn't know that (2.00 / 3)
Thought you had to be a property owner too. Oh and a man. And not a slave.

Those Athenians...

How's the storm?

The p***artist formerly known as 'Brit'


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The Storm... (2.00 / 6)
Is headed inland and best of luck to it.  That's pretty harsh country with the Northern Territory to deal with once you get there.  Saw some photos of a boarded-up pub with "Kiss my Yasi" graffiti scrawled on it, if that is any indication.

Still, pretty rough for homeowners, this is where the cyclone made landfall:

Not the kind of thing you want to come back to but everyone is apparently still alive.


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Looks like the toilet... (2.00 / 3)
...is still standing, so...

Crack some tinnies! Let's have a barbie!

The p***artist formerly known as 'Brit'


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A closet or the toilet (2.00 / 4)
(bathroom, as we call it) is usually the safest place in a storm if you don't have a basement. You learn that very quickly when you live in an area where there is a lot of tornado activity.

This is not a recession. It's a robbery.

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In England (2.00 / 3)
The loo or bog as we colloquially call it (do you really have baths in your toilets? weird and a bit unhygenic doncha think?) is the MOST DANGEROUS place, especially when there's a lot of tornado activity after beer and curry.

Just sayin'

The p***artist formerly known as 'Brit'


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Blame it on the Puritans. (2.00 / 5)
I do.

Heaven forbid Americans acknowledge bodily functions. We call them bathrooms even though they are used far more often for other purposes. We even call them a bathroom in a commercial establishment even though they don't have tubs or showers in them. Or we call them restrooms. Who the heck ever 'rests' in there? I think they should be called evacuares.

This is not a recession. It's a robbery.


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I love the French "Pissoir" n/t (2.00 / 3)


The p***artist formerly known as 'Brit'

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Yeah... (2.00 / 4)
You can understand why demountable homes are not popular up in the cyclone zone.  Mind you, if I had been sheltering in that 'loo' last night I would have been expecting to wake up with the munchkins, if at all.

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Funny You Should Mention... (2.00 / 4)
There is an almost celebratory atmosphere among those who aren't actually tasked with ringing the insurance company.  Dodged a bullet!  Life is sweet.

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Yeah... (2.00 / 5)
But then again universal suffrage took us another two-thousand years to achieve.  I'm giving Athens good marks on balance.

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This is kind of funny. (2.00 / 3)
I tried to choose my words with care, because I didn't want to say "people that believe in AGW". It seems you chose to read my words as that anyway. So are you saying Gore and the 95% of climate scientists across the world don't support the theory?

This is not a recession. It's a robbery.

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I'm lost, John (2.00 / 3)
Sorry. I read "People who support the AGW theory" as basically the same thing.

I support the AGW theory, BTW, only because the most respected scientists seem to support it too. What do I know?

But I do believe in peer review. Only the Saudi Government, for obvious reasons, cited denialists. Every other major Government Scientific Academy (from India, China to Finland) believe the evidence for AGW is compelling.

On the other hand, scientists also tell me there are black holes and Einstein's Special Theory of Relativity has been proven by fast moving atomic clocks.

Never seen it myself.

The p***artist formerly known as 'Brit'


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I guess that makes you one of those people I mentioned. (2.00 / 3)
I'm one of them too, which is why I tried to avoid using the word 'believe'. Are you under the impression that I was in some way denigrating AGW science in my comment? If not, why the hell are you trying to start an argument about it? I suspect we are pretty much in agreement on this subject.

This is not a recession. It's a robbery.

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Simple answer to this... (2.00 / 3)
If not, why the hell are you trying to start an argument about it?

I'm not. I was genuinely mystified by your comment.

But I'm glad you're angry. You're so sexy when you're roused.

Get the gimp suit!

The p***artist formerly known as 'Brit'


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I like Gore, I just think he is a terrible communicator. (2.00 / 5)
Just because we don't like a politician doesn't mean they're not saying something right.  

Since we are on about words, I have to call both you and Gore on this one. The accurate way to say that would have been:

Just because we don't like a politician doesn't mean they're not saying something true.

My point with Gore is that he doesn't say things right, even when they are true. He actually makes things worse by talking.

He's just not a good orator.

o  His delivery is wooden and uninspiring.
o  He lacks appreciation of the finesse of word choice.
o  He has no feel for his audience.

Gore seems to me to be a much better person (by my standards) than Michael Moore, but I'm no more thrilled to have him seen as the Thought Leader on topics I agree with.

"Conway, whom experience had taught that rudeness was by no means a guarantee of good faith, was even less inclined to regard a well-turned phrase as a proof of insincerity."  James Hilton, Lost Horizon


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Ah the english language (2.00 / 4)
Made to divide us. In UK English "saying something right" means saying something just, appropriate, accurate.

But I do recall my colonial friends use the term "that just ain't right" as an aesthetic or presentational thing: like shooting targets with their pistols, or thumbs in belts in line dances, or whether their flag is pulled high enough up the flagstaff.

As I said: I don't like Gore. And now you're "calling us both out". Hmmmm.

Maybe we're bosom buddies after all. Maybe my long lost twin.  

The p***artist formerly known as 'Brit'


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nonono (2.00 / 4)
Words sure are, aren't they?

The meaning I got from the first sentence (though I know you didn't mean it that way) was that "right" was a modifier of "saying", similar to "he was painting the wall right".

I was riffing on the point that words chosen are critical, and Gore is terrible at it. You are usually very good at word choice, which led me to picking on the structure of your sentence to make the point.

"Conway, whom experience had taught that rudeness was by no means a guarantee of good faith, was even less inclined to regard a well-turned phrase as a proof of insincerity."  James Hilton, Lost Horizon


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That's a real difference (2.00 / 5)
In British English (a minor variant of English these days I admit) we'd never say:

"he was painting the wall right".

That would tend to mean he's painting the wall on the right hand side, rather than painting the wall on the left. Though we've heard it enough in American movies and TV programmes to understand what you mean. We'd say.

"he was painting the wall properly (or well)"

But we're posh monarchists, pedantic and antiquarian, with an annoying penchant for verbal exactitude.  :-)

As T.S Eliot (oops a yank) said:

"Words strain,
Crack and sometimes break, under the burden,
Under the tension, slip, slide, perish,
Decay with imprecision, will not stay in place,
Will not stay still."


The p***artist formerly known as 'Brit'

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Well, Bill Clinton and Barack Obama (2.00 / 5)
are both wonderful orators.  I doubt the right wing base, who chooses to believe in the rapture, would be any more willing to believe in the science if it were delivered by either B. Clinton or B. Obama.

In fact, for most of them, unless it was delivered by Jerry Falwell or Jimmy Swaggert, it would not heard at all, let alone even considered credible.
It has nothing to do with Al Gore imo.
I know people here, in CO, who are in the "the earth is only 6000 years old" gang, thanks to FoF and New Life  and they make sure their third graders are convinced that their teacher is lying/ignorant or both when we say that the earth is 4.5 billion years old.  There's a reason why these "Creationism" theme parks with pictures of a Flintstone family walking with dinosaurs get investors and big crowds.

I agree, Al is a terrible orator but that has nothing to do with the ignorance of the populist.

"You can have wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, or democracy. But you cannot have both."
- Louis Brandeis


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