On Thursday, For Newtown

by: Hedwig

Mon Apr 08, 2013 at 15:44:27 PM EDT



This Thursday the US Senate will take up gun safety legislation. So far, several Senators have threatened to stop any and all legislation.

Rand Paul of Kentucky, Mike Lee of Utah, Ted Cruz of Texas, Marco Rubio of Florida and Jerry Moran of Kansas, Jim Inhofe of Oklahoma, Richard Burr of North Carolina, Ron Johnson of Wisconsin, Mike Enzi of Wyoming, Jim Risch and Mike Crapo of Idaho, Dan Coats of Indiana and Pat Roberts of Kansas.

Gabby Giffords wrote a piece denouncing the cowardice and ignorance of these Senators. I think she's run out of patience:

But lately I'm not feeling too patient toward senators and representatives who are listening to the misinformation that's out there about universal background checks instead of to their constituents, and saying they may not support common sense solutions to ending gun violence.
Hedwig :: On Thursday, For Newtown
Last night I was looking at a few pictures of some of the Newtown victims and found this one:

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I had seen the picture before but I didn't focus enough to see that the girl on the far right, Josephine Gay, was sitting down. And I wondered:

"They said their daughter was "autistic and severely apraxic." Apraxia is "a neurological disorder characterized by loss of the ability to execute or carry out skilled movements and gestures," according to the National Institutes of Health.

"She could not speak, yet she touched the lives of so many around her - teachers, therapists, friends, neighbors, all loved and cherished her," her family said. "Joey was social and affectionate. She smiled, she loved hugs and she even had a wonderful sense of humor. Her spirit was indomitable."


While the event was horrific enough the fact that this girl was disabled and unable to speak...that's beyond my ability to define in words. I didn't think I could hear anything worse than the number of rounds fired (154) in less than five minutes.

I haven't really seen a logical argument as to why we need assault weapons with 30-round magazines. Hell, despite 90%+ of America wanting Universal Background Checks the US Senate may not even pass that.

The system is definitely broken. Maybe we can fix this. If you haven't yet, no matter if your Senator is 'misinformed' and on the above list, call or email today and let them know where you stand on this issue. They say we shouldn't get emotional. Fine, I'm cold as ice right now. The only ones I see losing their minds are those who refuse to see the gun violence problem and work to fix it.

The list of Senators and their contact info is here.

Thank you.

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Calling is good for the blood pressure... (2.00 / 23)
Ok, it was good for mine! :)

Interesting (2.00 / 21)
article about why the GOP shouldn't filibuster the gun legislation...

For a party who is commonly regarded as "inflexible" and "unwilling to compromise" being seen as the side that ended gun control without even a vote further addd to a very negative perception of the GOP. Opposing gun control on 2nd Amendment grounds is one thing. ("If Republicans are not the party associated with protecting the 2nd amendment, we've got nothing," said a veteran GOP operative with close ties to the Senate.)  Using the rules of the Senate to block a vote, however, is something entirely different.


[ Parent ]
It's often said (2.00 / 4)
that the U.S. senate is the greatest deliberative body in the world.  Well, at one time in the past that might have been true.  Now it's a place where any debate that the republican base doesn't like is prevented from happening.  Our federal government is so broken that it's scary.

I'd say it would be great for the senators you named to look Gabby Gifford in the eye and repeat their lame bullshit. Then again, Bob Dole, one of theirs, was wheeled into the Senate to make his plea for sanity re: using the American Disabilities Act as a global template and they had no problem spitting on him.


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that was heartbreaking (2.00 / 3)
the look on Dole's face was wrenching. As a long time Democrat I can say that I lived through some of those myself while my party sorted itself out so I actually have hopes that honorable Republicans will step up. It's no more dishonorable to be a Republican than it is to be a Democrat, it's how we go about being one that distinuguishes us.

There's nothing like eavesdropping to show you that the world outside your head is different from the world inside your head.--Thornton Wilder

[ Parent ]
What did Marco Rubio's office say? (2.00 / 17)
You know that they hope we will forget this action when they come up for reelection. I hope the Bloomberg and Giffords-Kelly PACs make sure that it is an issue.

p.s. Another thing that should have gotten an up or down vote was serious filibuster reform. That the minority is STILL BEING ALLOWED to thwart the will of millions of voters is unconscionable.  

Words have meaning. Our words will reflect what is in our souls.


[ Parent ]
Initially (2.00 / 15)
they replied with a non-committal email...2nd Amendment rights are important but safety is as well...

But then I think he and Ted drank some 'special' Tea together at CPAC and last week Marky Mark posted the mantra where he spews more idiocy per sentence than I've seen other than at our old stompin' grounds... :)

This isn't a short-term/Connecticut effect passes type of fight...this will continue to come up in every Congress from now on.

We'll see if the Pro-lifers really are...yeah, right.

Minority...with money...and guns...the cowards fear both.  


[ Parent ]
Hey, Hedwig! (2.00 / 4)
Could you resize your photo? It is making my browser sad.

Go into the diary, find the photo and add width=500 as a parameter on the img code.

Kthxbai!

Words have meaning. Our words will reflect what is in our souls.


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Speaking of pictures (2.00 / 18)
Perhaps these GOP miscreants should be required to view photographs of the bullet-hole-riddled children before launching into their filibuster. If they can still stand, or utter a coherent sentence after that, then they may proceed with their shameful plan to ensure further carnage.  

I never travel without my diary. One should always have something sensational to read in the train.


-- Oscar Wilde


There have been some parents... (2.00 / 7)
haven't there?  Who've been to Washington doing just that.  Doesn't seem to have any effect... but those goppers are heartless anyway.

:-/


[ Parent ]
as a gun owner who sees (2.00 / 17)
background checks as neccesary and not at a threat to any Constitutional rights I am despairing that this can not even have a debate much less a vote. I read today there is a group, Gun Owners of America, who is pushing the NRA to the right! How can this be? Their numbers are even smaller than the NRA which has never mustered a majority despite the money gun manufacturers have thrown at the cause. When something most gun owners support is blocked our government is out of control and perhaps this will make people look at this. In the meantime President Obama has directed money at enforcing the present background check laws. If these had been properly followed both the Virginia Tech shooter and the Arizona one would have been legally prevented from obtaining firearms. However in R controlled states there is this general feeling of f**k the federal government unless they make us we won't cooperate. The fail is widespread in our gun violence problem in this country so we need to be looking at many solutions. Keeping firearms out of the hands of the mentally ill and violent felons is a very good start, I support enhanced background checks and I support making them universal for all transfers. Even the precious grandfathered ones because plenty of violence has been done with inherited firearms, they don't need to be excluded from examination no matter how offended people get.

There's nothing like eavesdropping to show you that the world outside your head is different from the world inside your head.--Thornton Wilder

My grandfather's guns...... (2.00 / 16)
He respected and cared for his guns, literally fed his family by hunting for venison, and made me feel completely safe in the presence of handling  guns. When he died, his guns went to my brother...also a thoughtful and safety conscious gun owner. But sadly his troubled step son managed to steal and sell our grandfathers guns, so who knows where they are now or if they have harmed someone. Your comments re inherited firearms triggers my memories.....


Love is the lasting legacy of our lives

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I'm sorry because (2.00 / 14)
that isn't what I intended, my aim was at those people who think their heritege should exempt them from regulation. We must do something to stop the carnage and what we've been doing hasn't worked at all.  

There's nothing like eavesdropping to show you that the world outside your head is different from the world inside your head.--Thornton Wilder

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Just to clarify..... (2.00 / 16)
He was the only person who ever made me feel safe in the presence of guns. The rest of my wild west childhood....every pickup truck had a gun rack....has left me with a deeply felt fear of guns. Thanks for speaking as a concerned gun owner....and for listening to me as a fearful non gun owner.


Love is the lasting legacy of our lives

[ Parent ]
Gun Owners... (2.00 / 11)
Yes, the guys who are afraid of a Second Hitler. We should listen to those whackadoodles.

And like Boehner and the Tea Party, the NRA has even more fringe groups that would take away LaPierre's power if he gave much at all.

i.e. His speech after Newtown wasn't for the rest of America, just the fringe of gun owners that he can't afford to lose...and really, the rest of gun owners can't either.

Still, the main mission of the NRA is to keep the focus, and the hate, squarely on them and not Gun Manufacturers.

If people really focus on how much more these death merchants can get from assault weapons versus protection/defense weapons and why they want to keep making them, the fight would be over...


[ Parent ]
what we shouldn't do (2.00 / 11)
is lump people into groups they haven't sorted themselves into. I for one will staunchly defend my right to be a lawful gun owner without being deemed a gun nut. There are so many of us in this middle ground, we don't like what's happened and we would want to see laws that work because we are as threatened by these mass killings as those who chose not to arm themselves.  

There's nothing like eavesdropping to show you that the world outside your head is different from the world inside your head.--Thornton Wilder

[ Parent ]
Anywhere from 70%-90% (2.00 / 10)
support background checks, but a huge number of those will still vote for members of Congress who don't.

So they don't feel any pressure to bow from the NRA.  


[ Parent ]
I live in Texas (2.00 / 6)
so I'm getting used to people voting against their self interest.  

There's nothing like eavesdropping to show you that the world outside your head is different from the world inside your head.--Thornton Wilder

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Disgusting and cowardly. (2.00 / 14)
A filibuster is how you stop legislation when you know that you don't have the votes to stop it in a democratic way.

Not surprisingly, Wisconsin's one-term senator Ron Johnson is on that list. He has no clue what a legislator's job is never having served in any legislative body ... not even a school board. So he has tied his wagon to the tea partiers not realizing that Wisconsin is not the deep red state that all of those senators except one are from. Wisconsin has a lot of hunters and the gun lobby is strong here. But we have also had our share of gun violence, most recently the Sikh temple shooting in Oak Creek. He will pay a political price for his reflexive me-too-teapartyism.

Thanks, Hedwig. I know you are passionate about this cause. It is hard to believe that any parent would not look at those faces and want to do everything possible to make sure it can't happen again.

Words have meaning. Our words will reflect what is in our souls.


Thank you Hedwig....... (2.00 / 13)
Watching 60 Minutes last night was a memorable experience.....the pain, strength, ans focus of the New Town families is humbling.

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/w...

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/w...

President Obama's speech in today was strong as well. It is morally shameful to refuse to address the proposed legislation. I'll post the video as soon as it is available.

Love is the lasting legacy of our lives


The video of the speech is on C -SPAN now (2.00 / 13)
 I can't embed, so here's the link   http://www.c-spanvideo.org/pro...  

Love is the lasting legacy of our lives

[ Parent ]
Thank you Hedwig for the story, and princesspat for the C Span link. (2.00 / 11)


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I thank you for the link (2.00 / 10)
I downloaded the video and will watch one day.

Not sure if I ever won't say, "Too soon" but they deserve that much...for us to remember and honor them all. Not just in Newtown but all who suffer gun violence.


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I thank you for the link (2.00 / 9)
I downloaded the video and will watch one day.

Not sure if I ever won't say, "Too soon" but they deserve that much...for us to remember and honor them all. Not just in Newtown but all who suffer gun violence.


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There's a heartbreaking spread (2.00 / 12)
in the new issue of People Magazine. I thought I could read it without falling apart again. I was wrong. Here's a link to some of it:

http://www.people.com/people/p...

"Do your little bit of good where you are; it is those little bits of good put together that overwhelm the world." ~ Desmond Tutu


No words, only tears...and cold anger and resolve. (2.00 / 10)


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They have stomped on Harry Reid's last nerve. (2.00 / 10)
I think it is time for him to use his powder: Reid Threatens Filibuster Reform With Nuclear Option
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) threatened in his most explicit terms yet to use the so-called nuclear option to weaken the filibuster if Republicans keep blocking judicial and other nominees from coming to a vote.

"All within the sound of my voice - including my Democratic senators and the Republican senators who I serve with - should understand that we as a body have the power on any given day to change the rules with a simple majority," Reid told Nevada Public Radio in a little-noticed interview Friday. "And I will do that if necessary."

This is not his largest majority but it is the most progressive group of senators he has had in a long time. Those who remember something akin to "comity" in the Senate are long gone (Chris Dodd was one who fought against any reform). Now that Carl "But Republicans Care About America" Levin (D-MI) is retiring, maybe he will finally get on board with the Sen. Jeff Merkley (D-OR) proposal.

C'mon, guys. Fix this!  

Words have meaning. Our words will reflect what is in our souls.


Booman Tribute..... (2.00 / 9)
They Will Overcome the Filibuster

When 90% of the public supports something, it's unlikely that a majority opposes it in any state in the union. You can't assume that the voters of South Dakota, Nebraska, and Mississippi are going to approve of a filibuster that kills universal background checks for gun purchases. There is no evidence for that. It is probably closer to the truth to argue that the voters in those states are sufficiently biased in favor of the Republicans that annoying them over gun legislation will not be enough to imperil Republican candidates there. In other words, Republicans might be able to get away with doing something unpopular, but they won't be rewarded for it.

Filibustering gun control legislation will hurt Republicans in every district and state in the country. In many places, the pain will be minor, but that doesn't mean that it won't exist. The bill will get cloture and there will up and down votes on the legislation and many amendments to the legislation.

I'm enjoying reading his analysis of "seriously sloppy thinking".

Love is the lasting legacy of our lives


[ Parent ]
We'll see (2.00 / 7)
But if they can't override the insane, ignorant, and, I'll say it, evil crap coming from the 14 loons who are threatening to filibuster the debate about guns...because they know only the fringe would believe their (and the NRA's) idiocy...then Harry Reid should implode it or resign out of disgust for the American Experiment.

I don't necessarily agree with it hurting the GOP in 2014...but like Marriage Equality and Immigration (think of the ballot measures in CA alone) it will come back to bite them... My problem is that now is the time to force the issue...everyone who dies because of gun violence (that could have been prevented with these less than effective but the best we can hope for) bills...if they don't pass...or even come to a vote...is blood is on their hands. Not sure the warmongering chicken hawks care...but they should. If you go against 90% of what people want...and don't even bring it to a vote...

History won't be kind.  


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They are in the wrong side of history...and of morality. (2.00 / 7)
Interesting that  public shame may be finally be effective. I use opinions heard at the gym as an index to what people who don't read politics like I do are thinking.....and it is heartening to know they are thinking about this topic, and that for some morality is overcoming ideology.


Love is the lasting legacy of our lives

[ Parent ]
I agree with you (2.00 / 6)
that now is the time to push. The last gun control legislation was passed after a mass murder of children, I am sorry that it takes this to get peoples' attention. Since we have their attention now is not the time to give up and declare the NRA too powerful. I don't think they really are but I know they are more effectively mobilized. If we can get average people to contact their representatives they will have to notice that they're not just hearing from loons. That would be of course if those advocating gun control weren't just another group of loons. I so wish that GCAs would concentrate on background checks and leave all talk of banning or registration out of it. That would unify support amongst gun owners which should be the tipping point. Where gun owners fall out is when GCAs refer to background checks as only the beginning leading towards a total ban. Then reasonable folks who really want to keep guns out of the hands of the mentally ill or violent felons stop supporting gun control. I don't know how to bridge this divide but I know it's important enough to keep trying.

There's nothing like eavesdropping to show you that the world outside your head is different from the world inside your head.--Thornton Wilder

[ Parent ]
Filibustering this important piece of legislation is (2.00 / 8)
an act of cowardice on the part of those 14 GOP senators. It's their way of avoiding the rock and hard place. They can make up some stupid excuse when it's time to hit the campaign trail--Why that bill was not reasonable enough, or didn't go far enough, perhaps that it wasn't clear just how invasive the checks would be. Whatever their twisted brains can contrive. But the bottom line is this their way having the cake and eating it too, no vote, no law enacted and the NRA money train keeps moving along.  

"A candle loses nothing by lighting another candle"...."We make a Living by what we get...We make a Life by what we give."  

More gun regulation news: (2.00 / 7)
Poll: Americans Think Gun Laws Are Much Stricter Than They Actually Are
It's emerged as one of the go-to talking points for pro-gun advocates like National Rifle Association chief Wayne LaPierre. Why should we institute new gun laws, they argue, if we aren't even adequately enforcing the laws that are already on the books?

But a recent survey conducted by Democratic pollster Benenson Strategy Group on behalf of the Democratic National Committee revealed that Americans actually know very little about existing gun laws, and many believe the laws are much stricter than they really are.

Many people think that military style assault weapons are already illegal, probably because they were until 2004.

~

Bloomberg-Led Gun Control Group Will Give Letter Grades To Lawmakers

Taking a cue from the National Rifle Association, Mayors Against Illegal Guns, the gun control group led by New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg (I), will release its very own scoring system on Tuesday to evaluate lawmakers' votes and statements on issues related to guns, the Washington Post reported.

According to WaPo, the Bloomberg-financed group will award lawmakers letter grades from "A" to "F" - not unlike the NRA's own scorecard, which the pro-gun lobby has used effectively through the years to apply pressure on elected officials.

Our list for 2014 will start there.

~

Harry Reid is scheduling the cloture vote for Thursday.


Words have meaning. Our words will reflect what is in our souls.


You're saying that people (2.00 / 6)
are misinformed and making critical decisions based on complete bullshit?

Say it ain't so!!!


[ Parent ]
yep. (2.00 / 6)
n/t.

"No disrespect intended, please accept my apology and disregard my previous comments."~GTP

[ Parent ]
It's so (2.00 / 6)
http://livewire.talkingpointsm...

The poll showed that 52 percent of Americans disapprove of Obama's handling of gun policy, while 45 percent said they approve. A huge majority of 86 percent of Republicans, 60 percent of independents, 61 percent of men and 61 percent of white Americans said they disapprove of Obama on the issue.

But the President drew support on the issue from his own party, along with women and minorities. Eighty-percent of Democrats, 53 percent of women and 65 percent of non-white Americans said they approve of Obama's handling of gun policy, according to the poll.

Obama earned low marks on guns in the poll even as most other surveys have shown huge public support for a number of policies advocated by the White House, including limits on high-capacity magazines, universal background checks and an assault weapons ban.



[ Parent ]
sounds like the ACA polling...they like the policies... (2.00 / 5)
just hate Obama...dummies.

"No disrespect intended, please accept my apology and disregard my previous comments."~GTP

[ Parent ]
ODS ... not just from the left, apparently. (2.00 / 5)


Words have meaning. Our words will reflect what is in our souls.


[ Parent ]
it's more annoying (2.00 / 5)
from the left though.

There's nothing like eavesdropping to show you that the world outside your head is different from the world inside your head.--Thornton Wilder

[ Parent ]
Yep (2.00 / 4)
The NRA statement yesterday specifically mentioned Obama and Bloomberg. Cuz gun lovers need that extra push to be wacky.

e.g. They had a stabbing in Texas this week. Instead of the response I had, thank god that he didn't have a Bushmaster with 30-round magazine reloads...nope. The response I saw was, 'Now the liberals will want to ban knives'.

Yes, I know it was sarcastic but they really are using it as an argument against gun safety legislation. Seriously, I would like someone to give me a sane reason as to why they're opposed to this. And hating Obama isn't one.

They haven't come up with one yet.

2nd Amendment rights don't fly because we have Background Checks and aren't allowed automatic weapons now. i.e. Right there are two restrictions on the 2nd Amendment. Does that mean they want to toss those restrictions? Those 'stealing of their rights'?

All the rest is just idiocy. Not just name calling...it is.

Hitler!: They do know that they can take you out with a B22 right? They don't even have to get close. Your little compensation arsenal is no match for them...if they wanted to come after you.

All the rest of the trash they throw onto the debate that has nothing to even do with guns....

Yeah, if someone could do more than HitlerEvilObamasocialistGunStealer!$@)$&@(@! at me... it would be a start.


[ Parent ]
'Now the liberals will want to ban knives'. (2.00 / 4)
They are really getting screechie, Hedwig. That is a good sign for our side.



Words have meaning. Our words will reflect what is in our souls.


[ Parent ]
You're saying that people (2.00 / 6)
are misinformed and making critical decisions based on complete bullshit?

Say it ain't so!!!


[ Parent ]
yep. (2.00 / 6)
n/t.

"No disrespect intended, please accept my apology and disregard my previous comments."~GTP

[ Parent ]
thanks for posting this Hedwig... (2.00 / 5)
maybe some good news...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...

but we do need to keep up the pressure.

"No disrespect intended, please accept my apology and disregard my previous comments."~GTP


The pressure is going to come in 2014. (2.00 / 5)
The NRA is calling our outrage the "Connecticut Effect" and they are assuming that, like all acts of gun violence, they simply need to wait us out.

The real "Connecticut Effect" is this: Connecticut's Historic New Gun Law

At 2:26 a.m. on Thursday, after more than 13 hours of debate, the General Assembly of the state of Connecticut - home of the Sandy Hook Elementary School massacre - passed what's being called the "toughest" and most "far-reaching" gun legislation in the country. Connecticut Gov. Dannel Malloy (D) plans to sign the bill into law at noon on Thursday.

This was bipartisan legislation designed to protect people from gun violence.

Words have meaning. Our words will reflect what is in our souls.


[ Parent ]
just like the tea party...they over played their hand... (2.00 / 5)
they exposed themselves as the greedy, heartless bastards they are.

in CA we are set to enact some new laws...and was reading an article about a county up north...very red...large population of gun owners...the mayor even owns a gun shop...they don't have a big issue with the laws...they can still hunt...and have guns for protection.

"No disrespect intended, please accept my apology and disregard my previous comments."~GTP


[ Parent ]
Responsible gun owners are *not* against sensible regulations. (2.00 / 5)
The biggest pushback is from the gun manufacturers and their lobbying arm, the NRA.

Hunters and those who own firearms for protection should form their own organization and dump the NRA in the dirt. Who in their right mind wants to be equated with the crazy guy who has 100 assault weapons in his basement ... ready to take on the U.S. Army when they come to harm his freedoms?

Words have meaning. Our words will reflect what is in our souls.


[ Parent ]
most gun owners (2.00 / 5)
are like me and know we have nothing to fear and much to gain from good laws protecting the public. I heard this morning that some gun manufacturer is leaving CT because of the law but that was just so much blathering for the press because the big operators aren't going anywhere. The area remains the center of gun manufacturing in this country and it is a very profitable business. Any posturing isn't going to mean much until that business becomes unprofitable. That's my goal, not to take guns away but to convince people get rid of them because they have come to realize that civilians have no actual use for military weapons. Rather than outright bans I would favor strong regulations over the transporting and use of large capacity magazines. There are so many of them existing that banning would not accomplish what making them difficult to use would. The defense I have seen for them is target practice so my solution is that they may only be legally loaded and used at a facility that is licensed as safe to protect the public. Not a ban and I believe a reasonable time and place restriction that would pass Constitutional muster. But it would also render those things as not worth the effort and people will get rid of them. Now they will go to a foreign arms market to be used for ill overseas but they will not be a presence in our country in a relatively short time. The right wing is nothing if not lazy.

There's nothing like eavesdropping to show you that the world outside your head is different from the world inside your head.--Thornton Wilder

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Rep. Peter King (R-NY) "what are you afraid of?" (2.00 / 6)
Top Republican: Conservatives Are Too Scared To Debate Popular Gun Safety Bill
Sen. Johnny Isakson (R-GA) joined the growing chorus of lawmakers calling for conservative to allow a vote on gun safety legislation, telling CBS' This Morning on Tuesday, "we have not seen the final draft of the legislation that was produced...I think it deserves an vote up or down." [...]

Rep. Peter King (R-NY) - one of the only Republicans in the House to support the gun package - added that the filibuster effort is "wrong" and "makes it seem like they're afraid of something." "I don't know what they're afraid of, but if they're so sure of their position, let it come to a debate," King said on CNN.




Words have meaning. Our words will reflect what is in our souls.


Gun Deal (of some sort) reached (2.00 / 6)
BREAKING NEWS
Wednesday, April 10, 2013 11:28 AM EDT

Senate Reaches Bipartisan Deal on Checks of Gun Buyers  

A bipartisan collection of Senators on Wednesday announced a compromise measure to expand background checks for gun buyers, increasing the chances that a viable package of new gun safety laws will soon hit the Senate floor.

Senators Joe Manchin III, Democrat of West Virginia, and Patrick J. Toomey, Republican of Pennsylvania have joined forces on the deal.

Under the terms of the agreement, background checks for gun buyers would expand to gun shows and online sales - a huge portion of gun sales that are made without the background checks used by gun stores - and will maintain record-keeping provisions that law enforcement officials find essential in tracking criminal gun use, but which gun rights groups find anathema.

Manchin and Toomey are not my go-to guys for this so we will have to see what this deal really includes.

Words have meaning. Our words will reflect what is in our souls.


yes and one of the most (2.00 / 5)
treasured exceptions stays, transfers between family members will not be subject to the law. I see this as a preference for the already entitled and a good excuse for them to avoid consequences the less favored wouldn't. I have some bitter experience along these lines that no doubt shades my judgment but in general heritage excuses don't impress me much.

There's nothing like eavesdropping to show you that the world outside your head is different from the world inside your head.--Thornton Wilder

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NRA gives greenish light? (2.00 / 5)
How The NRA Might Actually Help Pass Background Checks
The National Rifle Association doesn't support a bipartisan Senate agreement unveiled Wednesday to expand background checks for some gun purchases. But so far, the powerful gun industry lobby also isn't committing to targeting lawmakers who vote for the proposal.

If that position holds, the NRA could tacitly give conservative senators in both parties the green light to help pass the compromise legislation through the Senate.



Words have meaning. Our words will reflect what is in our souls.


[ Parent ]
Senate vote 68-31 (2.00 / 4)
16 Goppers, including McCain and Graham, voted to move it forward. Doesn't mean they'll vote aye on the bill.

Pryor and Begich voted no.


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I just posted below that the Giffords-Kelly group will be scoring those Senators. (2.00 / 4)
Between the Bloomberg group and the Giffords group, they won't be able to hide what they did.

Thanks again for posting this diary, Hedwig. It is a great place to post ongoing news about this topic. I am so sick of the news being filled with Hair On Fire over a budget that will never be passed when we have this important REAL BILL that needs our attention.

Words have meaning. Our words will reflect what is in our souls.


[ Parent ]
NRA gives greenish light? (2.00 / 5)
How The NRA Might Actually Help Pass Background Checks
The National Rifle Association doesn't support a bipartisan Senate agreement unveiled Wednesday to expand background checks for some gun purchases. But so far, the powerful gun industry lobby also isn't committing to targeting lawmakers who vote for the proposal.

If that position holds, the NRA could tacitly give conservative senators in both parties the green light to help pass the compromise legislation through the Senate.



Words have meaning. Our words will reflect what is in our souls.


[ Parent ]
First Lady Michelle Obama in Chicago ... asks for action, not just words. (2.00 / 6)
Michelle Obama Holds Back Tears In Chicago Event On Gun Violence (VIDEO)


Words have meaning. Our words will reflect what is in our souls.


the compromise background checks bill (2.00 / 6)
as introduced seems like an improvement but no federal law is effective without mechanisims for enforcement built in. If the states are not penalized for failing to promptly update information the system will not succeed in catching the next mentally ill offender. Both Cho and Loughner had periods of involuntary confinement that should have disqualified them from legal purchase. The judge in Colorado is still deciding on whether the truth of who knew what and when about Holmes is going to be admissable but since his dr. took steps to protect herself from him I would say that she knew at the very least he was dangerous. Yet he was still a qualified buyer, so yes to background checks but a bigger yes to making reporting mandatory with specific penalties for non-compliance. Now the next thing gun control advocates need to take up is how to design requirements for mental health professionals that protect the public without violating patient confidentiality laws. Not incidental would be getting the insurance companies out of this decsion by clarifying liability so that those decisions are not made from a financial viewpoint.

There's nothing like eavesdropping to show you that the world outside your head is different from the world inside your head.--Thornton Wilder

The Senate bill still has to go to the House. (2.00 / 5)
Who knows what it will look like when it gets done? I hope they don't water it down so much that it is just a fig leaf for the politicians who would just as soon not have to deal with this thorny issue.

- Mayors against illegal guns supports it.

- President Obama praises it.

Words have meaning. Our words will reflect what is in our souls.


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Guns don't kill ... kids do? (2.00 / 5)
6-Year-Old Boy Shot By 4-Year-Old In New Jersey Has Died
TOMS RIVER, N.J. (AP) - A 6-year-old boy who was accidentally shot in the head by a 4-year-old playmate has died from his wounds, authorities said Tuesday night.[...]

Prosecutor Joseph Coronato, speaking earlier Tuesday at a news conference, said the boy got the .22-caliber rifle from his home and it discharged accidently Monday evening.

A neighbor, Debi Coto, reacts:

"I'm sad for the children involved and their families, but I'm angry with whoever owns that gun and allowed a little child to get hold of it. A 4-year-old can't load a gun,"


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ThinkProgress puts together a background check cheat sheet (2.00 / 5)
Your Essential Guide To The Background Check Debate
As Congress considers the measure and conservatives led by Sens. Ted Cruz (R-TX), Mike Lee (R-UT), and Rand Paul (R-KY) try to slow down debate, here is the ThinkProgress guide to the myths and misinformation surrounding background checks.

The 7 myths busted:
- Background checks are ineffective and restrictive.
- Criminals will avoid background checks.
- Background checks will lead to a gun registry.
- Background checks wouldn't have prevented Newtown.
- Obama isn't prosecuting people who fail background checks.
- Obama isn't enforcing the laws on the books.
- Background checks are an invasion of privacy.  

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I think they've made a mistake (2.00 / 5)
in not bringing the issue directly to gun manufacturers and make them defend the massacre weapons and why they need to make them.

That will come up with the Feinstein Amendment but I fear the media will do their normally lazy job and skim past gun makers.

Having the ire focused on the NRA only allows them to frame it as a 2nd Amendment issue only. Focusing on who makes them and why would allow for a larger debate on what type of society we want in the future.

Oh, and when did we become defeatist? '300 million guns, can't do nuttin'... Or, 'only criminals will get guns'.

Look, if these guns aren't made...and we work to not allow them into the country...like we should be doing now...and Virginia can't legally own them so DC is safer...then in the future...no not tomorrow...it will be a safer place....and if you're worrying about Red Dawn...same thing goes...the enemy can attack from miles away...unless you want to sell us all anti-aircraft weapons! But seriously, we can't stop all crime...no law can...but they can stop some (or most) and that's the point. Arguing that this specific law would not have stopped Newtown is nonsensical.

But, answer me this...would Nancy Lanza have been able to purchase a Bushmaster if the George W. Bush administration hadn't allowed the Assault Weapons Ban to lapse? I know.


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Breaking News (2.00 / 5)
BREAKING NEWS
Thursday, April 11, 2013 11:40 AM EDT  

Senate Votes to Allow Debate on Gun Legislation  

The Senate Thursday cleared the way for the debate on the first piece of major gun control legislation to be considered in that chamber in two decades.

With families of victims of the Newtown massacre watching silently from the chamber, the Senate thwarted a threatened filibuster with a vote of 68 to 31 and will proceed next week to debate a package of legislation that would expand background checks for gun buyers, increase the penalties for criminal sales and a variety of other amendments. Those include the renewal of the assault weapons ban which expired in 2004. Twenty-nine Republicans voted against the measure, as did two Democrats.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04...  



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seems like news is getting better (2.00 / 5)
although I also read earlier the NRA is threatening to score Senators on their procedural votes to allow debate. I think that is a hollow threat since their members don't agree with Wayne the Pierre on allowing unrestricted opportunity for his bosses to sell their products. I'm hoping someone will start a insurgency within the NRA to split WtP and his outfit off and go back to teaching gun safety.  

There's nothing like eavesdropping to show you that the world outside your head is different from the world inside your head.--Thornton Wilder

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The Giffords-Kelly group is scoring also (2.00 / 5)
Giffords' Group Warns Senators Who Voted Against Debate On Gun Bill
To the senators who voted no today: We regret your attempt to obstruct debate and deny a vote to the families of Newtown, of Tucson, of Aurora, and countless other communities across the country. Americans deserve better than the loyalty to the corporate gun lobby that you displayed today. With our help, your constituents will be educated and reminded of your actions today and in the coming weeks ahead.


Words have meaning. Our words will reflect what is in our souls.


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Everyone is keeping score. (2.00 / 5)
That's what being a US Senator means. If you can't accept that, time to go back to being a crappy lawyer...

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those ideas are unhinged (2.00 / 2)
and I realized one of the reasons I don't know people who think this way is that I have excluded anyone who goes for military style weapons and all the stuff that goes along with them. Honestly I probably shouldn't admit it but it's a class thing, no one wants to associate with that and none of us are rich enough to mix with the rich fucks in Conneticut who came up with the whole tactical shooting craze in the first place. Of course they indulge on their walled estates but they've sold it to everyone else just to profit. And they are responsible for arming these fools with both the weapons and talking points to resist regulation. My contempt for these people is much greater than those who use the weapons for harm. Those people are just life's fools who wouldn't be so lethal if some rich fuck hadn't wanted to make more money and have his fun behind the gates.

There's nothing like eavesdropping to show you that the world outside your head is different from the world inside your head.--Thornton Wilder

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They are (2.00 / 3)
But I would say that I find guilt a moveable thing. I blame both, the gun merchants and those who use their 'products' for harm. May they all rot.

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Still skeptical. (2.00 / 6)
Even if background checks gets approved in the senate, the house has so many gerrymandered safe districts (not to mention more tea partiers) that they can vote against it without fear. Boehner will get a lot of pressure from his right not to even bring it to the floor.

  A lot of people would look at the proposed legislation as being common sense and reasonable. Those traits are not often applied to the base of the GOP.


Perhaps... (2.00 / 5)
But with 90% approval for this bill...and all those districts won't be (or aren't now) 10+ safe districts forever...

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Perhaps... (2.00 / 5)
But with 90% approval for this bill...and all those districts won't be (or aren't now) 10+ safe districts forever...

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I must just double click when I post...only way this happens... (2.00 / 5)


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Sometimes it just happens. (2.00 / 4)
More often on busy diaries but it happened to me when I had the parent comment I was replying to open in two windows. Database bug.  

Words have meaning. Our words will reflect what is in our souls.


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Segment on Rachel about (2.00 / 4)
the NRA...

http://news.yahoo.com/britain-...

And Jon Stewart talking about the CT on guns from the wingnuts.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/wa...


And, Anderson Cooper (2.00 / 4)
showing how easy it is to buy guns at a gun show:

http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/201...


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My bad... (2.00 / 4)
My copying and pasting and posting skillzzz have gotten rusty. Posted the wrong link above.

Anyway, here is the link to Rachel discussing the 'unintended' (we hope) consequences of allowing the NRA to write a state's gun laws:

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/2631...


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From the White House (2.00 / 4)
Hello, all --

For the first time since the 1990s, Congress might be on track to pass legislation aimed at reducing gun violence in the United States. And it's because folks in Washington are starting to understand that the rest of the country isn't going to sit by and let them ignore this issue. Your voices are the reason we have a chance to win this debate. The American people expect and demand a yes or no vote.

But this is a critical moment. It's been almost four months since the tragedy at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, thousands more Americans have died at the hands of gun violence, and time is on the side of those who would prefer that we do nothing.

We want to make sure that your voices are impossible to ignore. So we're asking people from all over the country to speak out online in concert -- all at the same time. Will you join us?

Pledge to speak out about the need to reduce gun violence.

It's easy to participate. Over the next few days, anyone can sign up to tweet or share a message to Facebook. Through that time, we'll gather up as many people as we can. Then we'll make sure that all these individual messages get posted together in the same moment for maximum effect.

That wave of social media will get seen by millions and millions of people.

We're talking about common-sense reforms. Like the idea that any of us who want to buy a gun should have to go through a background check first -- which 90 percent of Americans support.

So let's make sure that there's absolutely no confusion about the public consensus.

Pledge to speak out with us, and then forward this email to your family and friends:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/issues/preventing-gun-violence/action

Thanks!

David

David Simas
Deputy Senior Advisor
The White House



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Don't stop. (2.00 / 4)
this is just step #1...and this fight might not be over in 100 years...but let us begin...someone said that once... :-)

Don't stop speaking out about it.


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I don't plan to (2.00 / 4)
and I get to speak to a community that isn't used to hearing it from "one of their own" so sometimes it can be a bit more exciting for me. You know my dad told me when I was young I would never regret all the practice I put in and he was right. In a gun owning environment it's easy for me to establish creds and harder to dismiss what I have to say.

There's nothing like eavesdropping to show you that the world outside your head is different from the world inside your head.--Thornton Wilder

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What you have to say is important...... (2.00 / 4)
Thank you for sharing your thoughtful comments here.....and use that cred!  

Love is the lasting legacy of our lives

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thanks (2.00 / 4)
it's a one person crusade to present the idea that there in fact exist rational, thoughtful people who choose to have firearms. The ones like me who were raised around them and are safety conscious and don't carry them around with us outnumber the ravening fools but mostly don't speak up. Since that's not ever been my nature I do.  

There's nothing like eavesdropping to show you that the world outside your head is different from the world inside your head.--Thornton Wilder

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Timothy Egan, writing in The NYT (2.00 / 4)
The Power of Loss

Their grief is so immense, their sadness so deep, that when the parents of children slaughtered in Newtown, Conn., tried this week to make a political point, most people could not see beyond the swollen red eyes. It was all hugs and pats and God forbid, we can only imagine if that had happened to us.

But if you listened to what this powerful lobby of the lost has been trying to say over the last few days, you heard several truths that may get through the fog of words concerning Americans and their guns. It's a fog because the other lobby, the one that controls this issue with an iron fist, will not allow a real debate to take place.
~snip~
But, in a sliver of hope, a majority, 68 senators in all, voted down the obstructionists Thursday - a procedural move that will allow debate. Not passage of the bill, mind you, just debate. How did this happen? Thank those families who put their grief on the line.



Love is the lasting legacy of our lives

Interesting... (2.00 / 4)
they had a gunman on Glee last night:

http://www.usmagazine.com/ente...


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Did you Lawrence O Donnell last night..... (2.00 / 4)
His interview with the teachers was moving and interesting....

Visit NBCNews.com for breaking news, world news, and news about the economy



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Thanks. (2.00 / 4)
I don't watch his show...

(Same time as Fox Soccer News and American Dad reruns...)

:-)


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Sorry about (2.00 / 5)
deleting this off the GOS but thought about it and they had one piece on the vote on the FP...as opposed to the 300 pieces about Satan's budget that won't pass...and I realized I should just remove it. But I thank you for commenting in it. :)

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no worries..... (2.00 / 5)
I assumed you had a good reason for doing so. I happened to be online when you posted and thought I would just do my bit to be supportive......your message is important! But given the fervor of the moment you unfortunately would not have had many readers :(

Love is the lasting legacy of our lives

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FotM (2.00 / 1)
Hee hee...that's a 'Daily' occurrence...

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House conservatives weigh in (2.00 / 4)
House Conservatives Urge Boehner To Kill Universal Background Check Deal
Rep. Steve Stockman (R-TX) and 40 Republicans are passing around a Dear Colleague letter asking Republicans in the House to pressure Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) not to take up a bill expanding background checks for gun purchases "without the support of a majority of the conference." Boehner has brought measures to the floor that are not backed by a majority of Republicans several times in the past, breaking the Hastert rule and outraging conservative members.

Boehner said yesterday that the Hastert Rule is not really a "rule".  

Words have meaning. Our words will reflect what is in our souls.


Why they are a doomed party. (2.00 / 5)
90% want Universal Background Checks...

For all the whining the GOP does about 'Special Interests' they should are beholden to them...

Don't do what large majorities of your voters want...just who will bribe you the most.

Saw Begich trying to escape answering why he voted to filibuster the bill yesterday...to not even have a debate on products that kill 10's of 1,000's of Americans every year...and he said it wasn't about party...was about Alaskans...maybe he should have his Chief of Staff conduct another poll in Alaska...I'd guess the Momma Grizzlies don't want felons and the mentally insane to have guns there anymore than the rest of the country. Same with Pryor.

Not giving the GOP a pass either...31 of the cowards couldn't even vote to debate to stand up for their 'principles'.

One more thing, was thinking (run!)...if one of the arguments is the Background checks and banning certain weaponry and ammo violates the people's 2nd Amendment right...you know...restricts...then why aren't they pushing to remove all background checks and allow for automatic weapon sales to those over 18...or younger? Those are restrictions on the 2nd Amendment right?  


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if you're looking for logic (2.00 / 3)
you're going to have a long wait Hedwig. That side of the argument isn't any more rational than those who think they could actually pass a law that would remove these dangerous weapons. It's why so many people don't like either side which helps nothing. For once I would love to see rational voices drown out the idiots instead of how we've been operating.

There's nothing like eavesdropping to show you that the world outside your head is different from the world inside your head.--Thornton Wilder

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Well, (2.00 / 5)
I don't think we could immediately remove those dangerous weapons, but if we hope to in the future, I'd like to begin now.

Whether anyone thinks that's a rational view? As I said earlier, I thought O'Reilly and Rubio were being defeatist saying that nothing can be done about guns because we have 300 million guns in this country.

Sounds, to me, the perfect reason to do...something.


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I personally consider (2.00 / 4)
the goal of making our country less violent and less armed with such dangerous weapons to be rational and I agree that if we don't start we won't get there. I don't go for the defeatist view and I don't see how anyone can think we can do nothing, that's not working at all. That's why I'm encouraged that we may actually get a new background check bill that would start plugging some gaping holes in our present system. It is a good start that calls for people to not let up, I'm so amazed that people are still paying attention that I know this is the time to keep up the pressure. I repeat myself here but lawful gun owners do not fear rational gun control legislation because we are as scared of these armed nuts and just as vulnerable to them as the people who do not have firearms locked up at home.

There's nothing like eavesdropping to show you that the world outside your head is different from the world inside your head.--Thornton Wilder

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Some groups decry the loopholes in the background check bill (2.00 / 4)
Gun Background Check Deal Comes With A Giant Loophole
The bipartisan Senate compromise on background checks appears to suffer from a crucial flaw that could reduce its effectiveness, experts and gun control advocates fear, although they broadly say it's an important step toward preventing criminals from obtaining guns.

The proposal unveiled Wednesday by Sens. Joe Manchin (D-WV) and Pat Toomey (R-PA) would expand mandatory background checks to gun shows and Internet sales. But it would exempt criminal checks for private, non-commercial sales of firearms or transfers between friends or family members. The legislative language is not final yet but the senators have promised those exemptions to background checks for gun purchases.

We need to focus on this part "it's an important step toward preventing criminals from obtaining guns". Just like the Affordable Care Act was essentially what we could get with the Congress we had (even while single-payer or Medicare For All would have been much better), this will help.

Let's get it passed.

Words have meaning. Our words will reflect what is in our souls.


it closes an big hole (2.00 / 4)
and is so much better than what we have at present that I'm hard pressed to object to it. It's not like objecting will get something better.  

There's nothing like eavesdropping to show you that the world outside your head is different from the world inside your head.--Thornton Wilder

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Baby steps... (2.00 / 4)
Introduce the rest every session.

Remind people the insanity that pervades the current GOP.

Win elections.

Change minds.

Never forget.


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Another push... (2.00 / 3)
Mom of Newtown Victim to Deliver President's Weekly Address

Francine Wheeler's 6-year-old son, Ben, was killed along with 19 other first-graders and six educators in the Sandy Hook Elementary School massacre

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news...


I saw that! But not until this morning. (2.00 / 1)
Weekly Address: Sandy Hook Victim's Mother Calls for Commonsense Gun Responsibility Reforms

Words have meaning. Our words will reflect what is in our souls.


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