Palin's First Amendment

by: NavyBlueWife

Fri Oct 31, 2008 at 18:57:46 PM EDT


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Soundbite Sarah is out with another gem today talking about how the press is violating her First Amendment right to free speech.  Palin was interviewed by conservative radio talk show host Chris Plante, and the show aired Friday morning in that elitist capital of the world, Washington, DC.

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NavyBlueWife :: Palin's First Amendment
Here is Soundbite Sarah talking about her version of the First Amendment.

If [the media] convince enough voters that that is negative campaigning, for me to call Barack Obama out on his associations, then I don't know what the future of our country would be in terms of First Amendment rights and our ability to ask questions without fear of attacks by the mainstream media.

Sarah, Sarah, Sarah.  Your "blunder" may be of the "Joe the Plumber" type when it comes to the U.S. Constitution, but I've said it before, and I will say it again.  You are running to be Vice President of the United States of America, a heartbeat away from the Presidency.  You have a higher standard of intelligence to uphold, especially when it comes to the country you might be running and the Constitution that governs it.

Shall we look at the text of the First Amendment together?

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

The GOVERNMENT cannot impede on your free speech, but as for the rest of us, we don't have to listen to a damn thing you say.  And if you open your mouth and insert your foot, as you are so apt to do, we are going to call you on that "blunder".  

Also, the free press is doing its job by covering your campaign, especially all those "blunders" that you like to make, including the reference to the Iraq war being a "blunder" in your VP debate performance.

Alex Koppelman over at Salon lays it out nicely:

To put it succinctly: the press can't violate Palin's First Amendment rights. If the government were to criminalize her speech, that would be a violation. But what the press is doing in criticizing Palin is exercising the First Amendment.

Sarah, your right to free speech doesn't make all of us beholden to your unintelligible nonsense, unquestioningly listening while you spew hatred and racially charged rhetoric.  The press's duty, and ours as bloggers, is to keep you and your filthy propaganda in check.  That's FREE SPEECH.

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tips for the REAL First Amendment! (2.00 / 7)


We did not come to fear the future. We came here to shape it. --President Barack Obama

For starters, I would love to see some civics courses for everyone. (2.00 / 5)
Basic introduction to the Bill of Rights and the Constitution.

"If you're going to tell people the truth, you better make them laugh; otherwise they'll kill You." ~ George Bernard Shaw

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Immigrants have to learn more than we do to become a citizen. -eom- (2.00 / 3)


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Oh and Congressional committees (2.00 / 4)
to examine the degradation of our Constitutional Rights.

"If you're going to tell people the truth, you better make them laugh; otherwise they'll kill You." ~ George Bernard Shaw

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Obama's ad on Palin (2.00 / 6)
Worthy of a diary itself...

If you notice, there is a heartbeat playing along with the music...when it cuts to her image, the heartbeat pauses before picking up again...pretty frackin' cool.

We did not come to fear the future. We came here to shape it. --President Barack Obama


It really is kinda scary..... (2.00 / 7)
how so many elected officials know so little about the document they have been elected to uphold.

I cannot believe that the end of this 8 year long nightmare is almost over.


"And now here is my secret, a very simple secret;
it is only with the heart that one can see rightly,
what is essential is invisible to the eye."
~Antoine de Saint-Exupéry


The McCain campaign did not mishandle her rollout. (2.00 / 5)
They did the best they could with what they had.

The 2012(11) GOP primary is going to be verrrrry interesting.

Can't wait!

p.s. I'm going to be 30 in 4 years! OH NOES1!!1!  

Please ignore some inchoherent rambling and all typos (and other errors). My brain is on autopilot.


It's not as painful... (0.00 / 0)
...as they'd have you believe (turning 30). Just stay drunk the whole day and you'll wake up the next morning thinking, "Oh my God! I turned 30 and I missed it!" (which is really for the best... missing it, I mean.)

This just goes to show that there's nothing an agnostic can't do if he really doesn't know if he believes in anything or not.

~Monty Python


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No kidding. (2.00 / 4)
You have a higher standard of intelligence to uphold, especially when it comes to the country you might be running and the Constitution that governs it.

In this country, you must pass a test to drive a car, get a hunting license, or work for the Post Office.  VP?  Any meathead will do.  

It's a terrible thing to look over your shoulder when you are trying to lead, and find no one there. -Franklin Roosevelt


nice (2.00 / 4)
We could survive a McCain presidency.  I'm really not sure we could say the same for Palin.  God help us if this woman ever has a chance to unleash her massive ignorance on our country.  Seriously, what kind of politician responds to criticism by going on a misinformed rant about the first amendment rights she has repeatedly tried to supress?

"We could survive a McCain presidency." (2.00 / 3)
We could? I feel that there is enough doubt to fear the prospect. Palin is a guaranteed disaster.

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black and white (2.00 / 3)
Wingnut conservatives are predicting nationwide riots followed by a second civil war if Obama loses and an era of white slavery if he wins.  I like to think that progressives are more rational than that.  I certainly believe that a McCain presidency would be disastrous for the country, but taking caricatured positions like "The country will be literally destroyed" is an insult to America's resiliency in the face of bad leaders.  Mentally radicalizing the enemy to be the worst possible evil is what republicans do, and it's not healthy.  Just as invoking Godwin ends a discussion, shouting crazy shit about the end of America poisons our ability to get things done.  I'm not a big fan of Obama's postpartisan talk, but he's got a point that republicans are a big chunk of the country and we can't just pretend they don't exist.

On the other hand, President Palin would probably tell Todd the nuclear codes and he'd accidentally bomb Los Angeles after a night of drinking with his buddies.


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Palin is scary (2.00 / 3)
On the other hand, President Palin would probably tell Todd the nuclear codes and he'd accidentally bomb Los Angeles after a night of drinking with his buddies.

It would be funny if I didn't think it weren't a remote possibility.  Todd's unfettered power in Alaskan government scares the shit out of me.  It's as if Sarah is the front that he flows his illegal business through.

We did not come to fear the future. We came here to shape it. --President Barack Obama


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I agree with that too (2.00 / 1)
I think that the disaster of the McCain presidency would be one we could more quickly recover from as compared to a Palin presidency, but either way, we would be screwed.

We did not come to fear the future. We came here to shape it. --President Barack Obama

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Another day, another gaffe (2.00 / 2)
Unfortunately, misunderstanding of the Constitution and Bill of Rights is pervasive in this country - how many times were bloggers warned or banned on other sites, after which they would claim that the admins were violating their free speech rights?  Also, discussion of the new FISA bill was made difficult by the fact that very few people understood the arguments regarding its constitutionality.  Many people adopted Feingold's position whole cloth without any idea about whether he was right from a legal standpoint (I'm not sure myself whether the new FISA legislation is unconstitutional because the Fifth Amendment does not necessarily apply outside of the United States, and the legislation governs foreign communications).

Yes, misunderstandings are common among Americans. (2.00 / 2)
I even misunderstood prior to going to law school, but that's the result of a poor SC public education system.

Still, it's no excuse for a Vice Presidential candidate.  It's not her first time misunderstanding the Constitution, or perhaps rewriting to to her own understanding.  However, what scares me the most is that W. set the bar soooooo low when it came to intelligence being in the White House, and Palin is a perpetuation of that philosophy.  The White House, and the Executive branch as a whole, is not a feel-good, reality TV type competition.  I suppose if Congress and the Executive go to Palin-type stupidity, the judiciary might start to go too, and then we really will have the inmates running the asylum.

We did not come to fear the future. We came here to shape it. --President Barack Obama


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Why learn about something you don't really agree with. eom (0.00 / 0)


"If you're going to tell people the truth, you better make them laugh; otherwise they'll kill You." ~ George Bernard Shaw

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Heh, I meant Fourth Amendment. (2.00 / 2)
I had a mental lapse there.

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no worries. :) (2.00 / 2)
I don't even know what the FISA bill is.  I'd have to go find it, but as you know, there's unconstitutional, and then there's the ideologue version of unconstitutional.  There was a recent study out about world courts beginning to ignore wholesale what our Supreme Court does, either as a result of Rovian politics or because of the crappy decisions (i.e., less progressive decisions) being handed down, but I don't think that bodes well for us either in our world standing.  The study was in the New York Times, but I don't know who did the actual study.  Was it Scalia that said he didn't give a damn what foreign jurisdictions had to say?

We did not come to fear the future. We came here to shape it. --President Barack Obama

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I think so. (2.00 / 2)
FISA is the surveillance law which gives enforcement agencies wide latitude to perform wiretaps on communications that have a foreign component.  

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OH YEAH! (2.00 / 1)
I hate wiretaps period.  But I haven't studied Fourth enough to know what I think about warrantless searches and wiretaps in the new version of Homeland Security.  I'd be interested in your thoughts...maybe a diary someday?  I do hope Obama corrects some of the overreach.

We did not come to fear the future. We came here to shape it. --President Barack Obama

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Yeah, maybe (2.00 / 3)
Maybe I could cobble together some thoughts on that at some point, though I couldn't promise any deep insight.  Basically, since at least the Insular Cases at the beginning of the 20th century, there has existed the idea that constitutional rights have territorial limitations - they may be inoperative in areas over which the U.S. government does not exercise control, though the Supreme Court has never hashed this principle out in great detail.  The calls at issue with FISA involve foreign communications, and so the government may be able to tap the lines on the foreign end without violating the Fourth Amendment (since the Fourth Amendment would not be in effect abroad).  If some form of wiretap on these calls is constitutional, then to me it almost seems academic to debate where a phone line is tapped, or whether it makes a difference from a constitutional perspective as to whether the line is tapped domestically.

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For about a year (2.00 / 2)
You would have thought the FISA bill was the most important thing on this planet - more important than torture, global degradation, financial collapse, health care - if you'd just read Daily Kos.

It sounds like a sucker of a bill to cover the republicans arses, but I'm glad Obama didn't die in that ditch.  

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