Woman Arrested in Saudi Arabia for... Driving.

by: canadian gal

Sat Mar 07, 2009 at 22:02:33 PM EST



(cross posted at kickin it with cg)

A woman has been arrested in Mecca in Saudi Arabia for driving a car.  

Arab News reported that the woman was arrested after her four-wheel-drive Lexus crashed into another vehicle. Investigators are looking into the incident, and the woman has been handed over to the Prosecution and Investigation Commission.

Women are prohibited from driving on all public roads in Saudi Arabia, a ban that has triggered several high-profile protests by women's rights activists.

CNN notes that more than 125 women last year signed a petition sent to Saudi Interior Minister Nayef bin Abdul Aziz, asking that the ban be overturned. That ban has even, in some cases, been extended to golf carts - a vehicle some women used to get around their transportation limitations.

Back in late January, it was reported that Saudi Arabia was to lift its ban on women drivers later this year - however apparently this has not come into affect yet.

The woman's name and nationality have not been announced.  

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resist making any women driver jokes ;) (2.00 / 5)


"I spend my days and nights pondering the meaning of life, the state of the universe, and the Home Shopping Network." -- Donald Roller Wilson

I'd like to hear a woman driver joke... (2.00 / 3)
...about a woman driving her car over the nutsack of the sexist swine that came up with that bullshit legal system.

-gadfly

"Life is like a comet.  Even if you're paying attention...you still miss a lot."  - Lucky, c.1987


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i'm liking all this cursing gad. n/t (2.00 / 3)


"I spend my days and nights pondering the meaning of life, the state of the universe, and the Home Shopping Network." -- Donald Roller Wilson

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This video is of an 80 car accident in Saudi Arabia. (2.00 / 3)
I don't see any female drivers.



This is not a recession. It's a robbery.


my goodness! that's crazy. (2.00 / 2)


"I spend my days and nights pondering the meaning of life, the state of the universe, and the Home Shopping Network." -- Donald Roller Wilson

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Looks like it might have been sandstorm induced. (2.00 / 1)
The air seems to be hazy.

I was passed by an engine block during a fog induced pileup in Toronto (403 onto 401 eastbound) many moons ago.  It just went blind white in a second and next thing I knew I was dodging all sorts of things, and this whirling chunk of iron bounded past me on the right.  The next second it was all past and I was too scared to keep going and too scared to stop...

John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."


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I often wonder (2.00 / 5)
just how we're supposed to coexist with this culture. I realize how pessimistic that sounds, but there is just so much moral relativism I can take.

We coexist with them (2.00 / 3)
because they have something we want and we have something they want.

This is not a recession. It's a robbery.

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That's the reason, yes (2.00 / 6)
but I don't see the method, short of either culture drastically altering it's social mores, and thereby ceasing to be that culture.

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It's obvious, (2.00 / 2)
we just need to take away most freedoms from women.

Problem solved.  What else do you have for me?

John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."


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We could start with the vote (2.00 / 2)
and the right to drive. What would be next?

This is not a recession. It's a robbery.

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showing ankles in public is a good one, (2.00 / 1)
and hey, my girls are still young enough to start binding their feet - or am I mixing regressive cultures?

John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."

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no kidding,but I have had internal disputes about this all the time. (2.00 / 4)
Stoning to death a rape victim is obviously wrong and I have no qualms in calling that backasswards idiotic.  But do I have a right to condemn those cultures where mysogony is typical?  Like in nearly every country outside of US, Canada, and Maybe some Western European countries (and NZ and Austr.)?  Well I've gotten to the point where I say fuck em, I really don't care about a culture that subscribes to this, it's fucking dumb because the only reason people enforce it is out of fear of losing their position in society.   Don't get me wrong, I appreciate art, food, literature, architecture, and philosophies of different countries, but any philosophy that says people are not equal is not a philosophy, it is a self defense mechanism created through fear of losing power, wealth, and position in society (and also other things like fear of not being able to mount whomever you want without consequence).  

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You put it brilliantly... (2.00 / 2)
Any philosophy that says people are not equal is not a philosophy, it is a self defense mechanism created through fear of losing power, wealth, and position in society

The only problem with this, which is entirely true IMHO, is that by this measure you probably should not be interested in

a) The Ancient Greek Democrats (citizenship excluded slavery)
b) The Entire Mediterranean Roman culture from 100 BC to 400 AD, or perhaps the 11th century, or actually, until about 1945.
c) US arts, literature, philosophy, films etc. until the Civil Rights acts of the 60s

I hate the misogyny so rife in so many cultures today. But to write off THE WHOLE CULTURE, every individual and every achievement and aspiration because of this, is a kind of absolutism resonant of the cold war. And it also plays in to the hands of our enemies, the moral absolutists of Salafism etc, who want to polarise things along these lines.

I read about a tragic reminder of this today. One of the oldest and most beautiful shrines to a Sufi Saint at the foot of the Khyber pass has been destroyed by intolerant extremists: the softer face of Islam effaced by those who want either/or

Rahman Baba, "the Nightingale of Peshawar," was an 18th-century poet and mystic, a sort of North West Frontier version of Julian of Norwich.

He withdrew from the world and promised his followers that if they also loosened their ties with the world, they could purge their souls of worries and move towards direct experience of God. Rituals and fasting were for the pious, said the saint. What was important was to understand that divinity can best be reached through the gateway of the human heart - that we all have paradise within us, if we know where to look.

For centuries, Rahman Baba's shrine at the foot of the Khyber Pass has been a place where musicians and poets have gathered, and his Sufi verses in the Pukhtun language made him the national poet of the Pathans. As a young journalist covering the Soviet-mujahideen conflict I used to visit the shrine to watch Afghan refugee musicians sing their songs to their saint by the light of the moon.

Then, about 10 years ago, a Saudi-funded Wahhabi madrasa was built at the end of the track leading to the shrine. Soon its students took it on themselves to halt what they saw as unIslamic practices. On my last visit, I talked about the situation with the shrine keeper, Tila Mohammed. He described how young Islamists now came and complained that his shrine was a centre of idolatry and superstition: "My family have been singing here for generations," said Tila. "But now these Arab madrasa students come here and create trouble.

"They tell us that what we do is wrong. They ask people who are singing to stop. Sometimes arguments break out - even fist fights. This used to be a place where people came to get peace of mind. Now when they come here they just encounter more problems, so gradually have stopped coming."

"Before the Afghan war, there was nothing like this. But then the Saudis came, with their propaganda, to stop us visiting the saints, and to stop us preaching 'ishq [love]. Now this trouble happens more and more frequently."

 

The p***artist formerly known as 'Brit'

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Yeah, I may have not been eloquent enough, (0.00 / 0)
but I do not write off entire histories or cultures, I just have it in my mind that since we have pockets of equality and the world is not destroyed, then cultures need to get out of the stone age and if they don't well I am not going to go around apologizing for them.

 And look at moderate middle easterners, the women are going to secular schools, it seems the people are willing to move forward, just not those fundamentalists in control.  

Also add Catholicism to your list, Pope Pius' fear and hatred of women made it into a mysogonostic religion.


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IMNSHO, (0.00 / 0)
Christianity went wrong when Paul took ascendancy over Matthew. I would go further to claim that evangelicals and their like are not really Christians, but Paulites.  

This is not a recession. It's a robbery.

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Well said (2.00 / 1)
But do I have a right to condemn those cultures where mysogony is typical?

That's what I struggle with. Well, I do condemn them actually, but is my condemnation conducive to co-existence?

The tough part is, to us not condemning evil is considered a form of evil. If I tell you, "Oh yeah, I was 5 feet away when that girl got raped", what do you think of me?

If you subscribe to this belief, that acceptance implies condonement (??? lol) co-existence carries a moral hazard for us.


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Driving while under the influence of estrogens. (2.00 / 1)
It's against the law! (WTF?!?!?)

Just because they are posting on a progressive site doesn't make them progressives. - John Allen

A friend just shared this link: (2.00 / 1)


John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."

er... (2.00 / 1)
Saudis to lash 75-year-old woman for mingling

CAIRO - A 75-year-old widow in Saudi Arabia has been sentenced to 40 lashes and four months in jail for mingling with two young men who are not close relatives, drawing new criticism for the kingdom's ultraconservative religious police and judiciary.

This from a Muslim friend who is more than a little pissed about it.  I think he'd like to give the Saudi judges 40 lashes...

John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."


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