Healthcare Reform Passed: Victory Celebration Open Thread

by: chrisblask

Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 11:47:42 AM EDT


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Tonight, the President and the Congress will pass comprehensive health care reform.  There are absolutely no voices left to refute this fact.

At this moment - 9:39 pm ET - on FOX News Hannity is spending time to forecast the defeat of certain Democratic Congressfolks in November: a Far Right concession speech if ever there was one.  On MSNBC Ed Schultz is saying that Barack Obama may just be a genius: a stronger nod from the Far Left than is usually found from that source.  CNN is running its viewers through the benefits of the now-finished reform bill as they will - not "may" - unfold over coming years.

Consider this a Victory Celebration Open Thread
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Let me be the first... (2.00 / 6)
...as a fully socialised medically cared for Brit... go HOORAY for you guys, for my second favourite country, and all of you who pushed in your different ways to make this happen

Moose Juice; debate without hate
As one of those who has only lightly pushed, "thanks". (2.00 / 4)
I find myself very happy it is done and now turning back to my concerns with the whole thing.  Will any of the cost controls work, or will we still find health care up at 20% of GDP in a few years?  Will the actual implementation of this realize any of the anti-economic downsides cartoonishly depicted by the GOP (just because they've looked stupid doesn't necessarily make them wrong in all cases).  What comes out of this over the next 1, 3, 7, 15 years?

Mostly, I am happy that our government functions.  I'm glad that the President is strengthened.  A wallowing government is my least favorite result, whatever party it aligns with.  

Today Obama is as strong as ever, and therefore so are we all.

"Conway, whom experience had taught that rudeness was by no means a guarantee of good faith, was even less inclined to regard a well-turned phrase as a proof of insincerity."  James Hilton, Lost Horizon

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I am hesitant to call it "victory" (2.00 / 5)
There is still some parliamentary grand standing hurdles, and the shake down period to work out the bugs still needs time to tell how it's going to go.

I am pleased that they finally got something done, and it has forced a lot of just plain crazy folk out into the open, and I'm always happier with them screaming out front, than whispering out back.  

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I debated about getting to enthusiastic with the title, (2.00 / 4)
but in the end decided it is both good to simply enjoy the win while also making clear the risk of celebrating too much.

Smoke 'em if you got 'em, drink your wine and you can worry about the hangover tomorrow.

"Conway, whom experience had taught that rudeness was by no means a guarantee of good faith, was even less inclined to regard a well-turned phrase as a proof of insincerity."  James Hilton, Lost Horizon

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The political cynic in me thinks (2.00 / 5)
this will change nothing politically...no matter how much improvement this bill makes, the Republicans will still have their talking points and 45% of the country will still believe them, even while they benefit from the bill that will be passed tonight.

but hey, that's politics.  

An Old Friend... (2.00 / 5)
And co-conspirator of mine gave me some sage advice, "Celebrate your victories when you get 'em."
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Enjoy it when you can. (2.00 / 3)
Use success to create more.

"Conway, whom experience had taught that rudeness was by no means a guarantee of good faith, was even less inclined to regard a well-turned phrase as a proof of insincerity."  James Hilton, Lost Horizon
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I am (2.00 / 3)
I'm enjoying smacking down my dumb conservative friends on Twitter and Facebook tonight as they get mortified over the idea of a liberal telling them where to shove it.

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Me Too (2.00 / 2)
Bwahahahaha.
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Watching the Roll Call... (2.00 / 5)
Live now on CNN.  This is Waterloo alright and we are wearing the size 10 Wellingtons this time.  And Blitzer is a horse's patootie.
oh heavens (2.00 / 4)
And Blitzer is a horse's patootie.

what's Beard McMonotone doing now?

It's a terrible thing to look over your shoulder when you are trying to lead, and find no one there. -Franklin Roosevelt

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Watching Boehner... (2.00 / 4)
Rehashing the failed talking points of the past ten months I really wonder how long he is going to be holding his position.  He is too clearly the face of defeat.
He Looks... (2.00 / 5)
Really tired.  And the cheerleading seems pretty weak.
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He's Still... (2.00 / 4)
Citing the Tea Party as if it wasn't a mortal embarrassment to the political future of the rest of his cohort.  Gotta' give these guys credit they don't know when to let go.  November is starting to look pretty promising.
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I watched him long enough to hear him shame the House for (2.00 / 5)
going ahead against the wishes of the people.  I guess he forgets those people elected Obama based, in part, on his pledge for health care reform.  I also guess he can't read polls.

He doesn't look quite as orange as usual.

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Must have finally read the back of the Tan in a Tube bottle... (2.00 / 5)


"Conway, whom experience had taught that rudeness was by no means a guarantee of good faith, was even less inclined to regard a well-turned phrase as a proof of insincerity."  James Hilton, Lost Horizon
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to save $$$$$ (2.00 / 5)
Boehner has replaced the color coded terror alert system.  today wasn't orange, it was red.  the next few months, if this hcr achievement means what I think it means (politically and socially), will certainly be yellow.

the oompa loompa look was unbecoming anyway.

It's a terrible thing to look over your shoulder when you are trying to lead, and find no one there. -Franklin Roosevelt

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Boehner looks and sounds like (2.00 / 2)
every middle aged sleezeball that hangs out at the lizard lounges in Vegas, getting drunk, trying to impress you with who he is and why you should feel complimented that he wants to get it on with you.

Makes me throw up a little bit in my mouth.

"Those who stand for nothing fall for anything...Mankind are forever destined to be the dupes of bold & cunning imposture" -- Alexander Hamilton

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Someone mentioned that Boehner could request a reading (2.00 / 4)
of the whole bill which we know (thanks to the Republicans) is really long.  If he does, and it's possible, the whole House should have to be present for the whole reading.
I Thought... (2.00 / 2)
The time for debate was strictly limited by the rules vote?
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Not sure. (2.00 / 3)
I wonder if the reading of the bill constitutes part of the debate.  Doesn't seem likely in any event.  He does have an air of inevitability about him.
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It's Not Just a Defeat... (2.00 / 2)
I'm guessing this is his position he's farewelling.
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Hmmm, hadn't considered that. (2.00 / 3)
I thought only Dems threw people under the bus.  (I really hate that expression.)
[ Parent ]
Well... (2.00 / 3)
They've got to scapegoat somebody.  McConnell is another likely culprit.
[ Parent ]
steele is drawing pretty heavy fire too. (2.00 / 4)


It's a terrible thing to look over your shoulder when you are trying to lead, and find no one there. -Franklin Roosevelt
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He's Toast (2.00 / 3)
It's just a matter of time.
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He's just a buffoon. (2.00 / 4)
Jamming him in there as the Token Black Guy was still one of the most embarrassing thing that a bunch of white folks have done since Thirty Something.

"Conway, whom experience had taught that rudeness was by no means a guarantee of good faith, was even less inclined to regard a well-turned phrase as a proof of insincerity."  James Hilton, Lost Horizon
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Listening to Steele Now on Fox... (2.00 / 4)
With Geraldo.  He has just committed the RNC to repealing health care reform and to Geraldo's credit he's skeptical.  Steele is as dumb as a box of rocks.
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caught five seconds of that, had to change the channel (2.00 / 3)
He's just The Embarrassing Drunk Friend - hard to listen to without wincing.  I'm fairly convinced that he really isn't very bright at all.

"Conway, whom experience had taught that rudeness was by no means a guarantee of good faith, was even less inclined to regard a well-turned phrase as a proof of insincerity."  James Hilton, Lost Horizon
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Not Long for This World (2.00 / 2)
As RNC chairman, I'm guessing.  But it won't stop there.
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Gracious (2.00 / 4)
Speaker Pelosi now acknowledging Senator Kennedy's lifelong fight for health care reform.
here it goes.. (2.00 / 4)
153 yea so far...

"Conway, whom experience had taught that rudeness was by no means a guarantee of good faith, was even less inclined to regard a well-turned phrase as a proof of insincerity."  James Hilton, Lost Horizon
175-146... (2.00 / 3)

20 Dems so far vote against the Senate bill (2.00 / 3)

185 ayes -165 nays (2.00 / 3)

200-178 (2.00 / 4)

Tick. (2.00 / 3)
Tick.

"Conway, whom experience had taught that rudeness was by no means a guarantee of good faith, was even less inclined to regard a well-turned phrase as a proof of insincerity."  James Hilton, Lost Horizon
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Spoon! n/t (2.00 / 4)


"And now here is my secret, a very simple secret;
it is only with the heart that one can see rightly,
what is essential is invisible to the eye."
~Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
[ Parent ]
almost there...208-187....8 more to go... (2.00 / 4)

wow...214-204...31 Dems voted against..2 more to go.. (2.00 / 5)

Done (2.00 / 3)


"Conway, whom experience had taught that rudeness was by no means a guarantee of good faith, was even less inclined to regard a well-turned phrase as a proof of insincerity."  James Hilton, Lost Horizon
[ Parent ]
that's it done ...216-203... (2.00 / 5)
it passes..
yes we can ....219-209... (2.00 / 5)
now we have to defeat the motion to recommit...
Yes We Did! (2.00 / 4)
And looking forward to more of the same.  Nothing succeeds like success.
[ Parent ]
Nothing like success..however this motion to recommit (2.00 / 5)
is very tricky..
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Granted (2.00 / 1)
Watching closely...
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But Looking... (2.00 / 3)
Like it's in the bag.
[ Parent ]
Bagged. 216 "No"s (2.00 / 4)


"Conway, whom experience had taught that rudeness was by no means a guarantee of good faith, was even less inclined to regard a well-turned phrase as a proof of insincerity."  James Hilton, Lost Horizon
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Welcome to the Era... (2.00 / 2)
Of the lean, mean legislative machine.  Woo hoo!
Bravo Zulu! (2.00 / 6)
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"And now here is my secret, a very simple secret;
it is only with the heart that one can see rightly,
what is essential is invisible to the eye."
~Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
Cometh the hour (2.00 / 3)
Cometh the Kysen with the cool and apt graphic. Nice to see you around, bro.  

Moose Juice; debate without hate
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Good to see you too, ya limey bastid ; ) (2.00 / 4)
I am usually around in one way or the other....just have been in more of a 'lurker mode' of late. ;)

Feelin' my oats today, though, so more apt to be chatty.

I am well chuffed over HCR finally passing (at least this greatest hurdle..I think that the Republicans in the Senate will drag it out as long as they can....but, the Fat Lady done sung).

"And now here is my secret, a very simple secret;
it is only with the heart that one can see rightly,
what is essential is invisible to the eye."
~Antoine de Saint-Exupéry

[ Parent ]
Yes We Did! (2.00 / 6)


yes! (2.00 / 6)
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It's a terrible thing to look over your shoulder when you are trying to lead, and find no one there. -Franklin Roosevelt
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Wow Bart Stupak is speaking up...Repubs are done.. (2.00 / 6)

he sure did. (2.00 / 6)


It's a terrible thing to look over your shoulder when you are trying to lead, and find no one there. -Franklin Roosevelt
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Yep, all done but the shouting. (2.00 / 4)
Looking forward to hearing the Pres speak.  Probably after the recorded vote here.

"Conway, whom experience had taught that rudeness was by no means a guarantee of good faith, was even less inclined to regard a well-turned phrase as a proof of insincerity."  James Hilton, Lost Horizon
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motion to recommit is losing 148-180 (2.00 / 3)
92 meetings of Obama with Congress on healthcare ...
motion to recommit is defeated... (2.00 / 3)

yes we can.... (2.00 / 3)

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NOT one Republican vote for this great bill... (2.00 / 4)
Repubs are done for a long time..
You Said It (2.00 / 4)
The party of 'no'is now the party of 'nil.'  And good luck putting the Tea Party genie back in the bottle, they're angry and they're registered Republicans.
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yeah some GOPer yelled "baby killer" at Bart Stupak.. (2.00 / 4)

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David Gergen made a great comment after that. (2.00 / 4)
The GOP has to get that under control.

Gergen is my kind of Republican.  Powell is my kind of Republican.  I really want to be swayed into voting for a GOP president in six or no more than ten years.  There has got to be something past the shouting, vile, stupid, ignorant, sheeplike GOP that we have today.

"Conway, whom experience had taught that rudeness was by no means a guarantee of good faith, was even less inclined to regard a well-turned phrase as a proof of insincerity."  James Hilton, Lost Horizon

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Long Road Ahead... (2.00 / 4)
With a militant Tea Party movement sitting astride it.  Republicans have made a real mess for themselves.  That's why I think their 'strategists,' such as they are, are going to get promptly ditched.  Not one pickle-headed Republican broke ranks against historic reform to benefit 30,000,000 Americans.  Bad look.
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Yep, but *maybe* they are starting to break the delusional fever. (2.00 / 2)


"Conway, whom experience had taught that rudeness was by no means a guarantee of good faith, was even less inclined to regard a well-turned phrase as a proof of insincerity."  James Hilton, Lost Horizon
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I have not been Stupak's biggest fan; still don't like how this (2.00 / 6)
has been played.  But he was great on the House floor tonight and I give him a lot of credit for taking on one of the co-sponsors of the Stupak Amendment.
[ Parent ]
Someone on MSNBC said it was someone with a Southern (2.00 / 3)
accent who heard it live.  Joe Wilson, anyone?

Dude on the tv just made the same "joke."

[ Parent ]
Sorry for the poor sentence construction. (2.00 / 2)
On MSNBC, someone who heard it live said, that it was someone with a Southern accent.
[ Parent ]
I give up. (2.00 / 5)

[ Parent ]
HA! (2.00 / 4)
You make life worth living.  Don't suddenly fix yer grammer!

"Conway, whom experience had taught that rudeness was by no means a guarantee of good faith, was even less inclined to regard a well-turned phrase as a proof of insincerity."  James Hilton, Lost Horizon
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Too much time South of the Mason-Dixon line, I suppose. :) (2.00 / 4)

[ Parent ]
or too much time in Dagobah (2.00 / 3)
On msnbc, it live said someone who heard, that, someone with a southern accent, was it.

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It's a terrible thing to look over your shoulder when you are trying to lead, and find no one there. -Franklin Roosevelt

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The yoda language you fail to speak (2.00 / 3)
Not is:

On msnbc, it live said someone who heard, that, someone with a southern accent, was it.

But

On msnbc, it live said someone who heard, that, someone with a southern accent, it was..

The rules of Yoda speak quite simple are - if correct them I understand. Like German, the verb at the end of the sentence is always placed.  

Moose Juice; debate without hate

[ Parent ]
With the yoda speech generator... (2.00 / 1)
...file your complaint.

http://www.yodaspeak.co.uk/ind...

Of uk origin, note also it is.  

It's a terrible thing to look over your shoulder when you are trying to lead, and find no one there. -Franklin Roosevelt

[ Parent ]
ahhhh, but they have a 'plan': (2.00 / 7)
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to sell to the american public:

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and to thear them tell it, god is on their side:

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It's a terrible thing to look over your shoulder when you are trying to lead, and find no one there. -Franklin Roosevelt

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Now... (2.00 / 5)
Watch the Republicans scatter like a bunch of scalded geese.  Grab your popcorn folks, Democrats are united and Republicans have been tossed out on the rocks.  Whatever they were doing...  It wasn't working.  And as I've been twittering my Tea Party friends all day, they are headed for a parting of the ways.
after the Fix vote President of United States Barack Obama will address the nation from the East Room.. (2.00 / 7)
stay tuned...
192-184 in favor of the fix.. (2.00 / 2)

8 votes more to go... (2.00 / 2)

[ Parent ]
210... (2.00 / 1)


"Conway, whom experience had taught that rudeness was by no means a guarantee of good faith, was even less inclined to regard a well-turned phrase as a proof of insincerity."  James Hilton, Lost Horizon
[ Parent ]
i had no idea... (2.00 / 8)
the vote was today! yippee to my american brethren (now socialists). i am incredibly happy for you all!

"I spend my days and nights pondering the meaning of life, the state of the universe, and the Home Shopping Network." -- Donald Roller Wilson
Thanks! (2.00 / 6)
I feel like going out and eating some Government Cheese...

;~)

"Conway, whom experience had taught that rudeness was by no means a guarantee of good faith, was even less inclined to regard a well-turned phrase as a proof of insincerity."  James Hilton, Lost Horizon

[ Parent ]
ba dum ching n/t (2.00 / 6)


"I spend my days and nights pondering the meaning of life, the state of the universe, and the Home Shopping Network." -- Donald Roller Wilson
[ Parent ]
A reminder that life for the civlized world with decent health care (2.00 / 4)
moves on.
[ Parent ]
yes... (2.00 / 2)
and admittedly it has been a rather convoluted process that i haven't fully grasped.

"I spend my days and nights pondering the meaning of life, the state of the universe, and the Home Shopping Network." -- Donald Roller Wilson
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Done..The Fix had passed the House,,Yes We can (2.00 / 8)

We made history tonight... (2.00 / 7)

All republicans have left the building... (2.00 / 6)

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Dems have made history yet again. (2.00 / 8)
Just one word, for y'all, really:

Huzzah!!!

"I now am bold to say to the swift changing hours,
Pass, pass upon your way, for I grow never old,
Fleet to the dark abysm with all your fading flowers,
One rose that none may pluck, within my heart I hold."

so... (2.00 / 7)
apparently it takes passing healthcare reform to bring you out of the woodwork - pshaw!  

"I spend my days and nights pondering the meaning of life, the state of the universe, and the Home Shopping Network." -- Donald Roller Wilson
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Awww, but I wuv you guys, CG. (2.00 / 6)
Just been on sabbatical -- but... if the passage of HCR couldn't bring me peeping from beneath my rock, whatever could? **grins**

"I now am bold to say to the swift changing hours,
Pass, pass upon your way, for I grow never old,
Fleet to the dark abysm with all your fading flowers,
One rose that none may pluck, within my heart I hold."
[ Parent ]
Cookies and milk? (2.00 / 6)
Always works for me.

"Conway, whom experience had taught that rudeness was by no means a guarantee of good faith, was even less inclined to regard a well-turned phrase as a proof of insincerity."  James Hilton, Lost Horizon
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Santa! -- is that you??? (2.00 / 5)

Oh wait, Blasky's not a Democrat!

And y'all never offered me cookies and milk anyways. So hmph!

(And thank gawd for that... as sricki is afeared of milk -- for realz -- unless it's got chocolate in it.)

"I now am bold to say to the swift changing hours,
Pass, pass upon your way, for I grow never old,
Fleet to the dark abysm with all your fading flowers,
One rose that none may pluck, within my heart I hold."

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Maple cookies. (2.00 / 4)
I get them smuggled down from Canada.  You. Just. Don't. Know.

I'll bring you milk and cookies anytime you want.  Have to do it quick before I leave the south for Silicon Valley - strike that, for you I'll fly back and steal the fuzzy blanket from the plane for you as well.

"Conway, whom experience had taught that rudeness was by no means a guarantee of good faith, was even less inclined to regard a well-turned phrase as a proof of insincerity."  James Hilton, Lost Horizon

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Awww, thank you Blasky. (2.00 / 3)
This is why I love the Moose. 'Cause so many of you are sweet, perfect charmers. ; )

"I now am bold to say to the swift changing hours,
Pass, pass upon your way, for I grow never old,
Fleet to the dark abysm with all your fading flowers,
One rose that none may pluck, within my heart I hold."
[ Parent ]
Thanks for giving me the chance to be a charmer. (2.00 / 3)
Us old guys need that sort of thing.

"Conway, whom experience had taught that rudeness was by no means a guarantee of good faith, was even less inclined to regard a well-turned phrase as a proof of insincerity."  James Hilton, Lost Horizon
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/grin (2.00 / 5)
sricki....and rfahey....and Reaper....and mostly....and and and......HCR really DID pull us all out of our hidey holes. ;)

This win is gonna feel good for a looooong time.

"And now here is my secret, a very simple secret;
it is only with the heart that one can see rightly,
what is essential is invisible to the eye."
~Antoine de Saint-Exupéry

[ Parent ]
And SPIFF!! ; ) n/t (2.00 / 5)


"And now here is my secret, a very simple secret;
it is only with the heart that one can see rightly,
what is essential is invisible to the eye."
~Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
[ Parent ]
Knock Me Flat... (2.00 / 7)
Fox has some young apparatchik on now comparing Obama to Reagan.  Oh, Lordy...  I wasn't ready for that.
Taking Bets (2.00 / 6)
Fox doesn't cut away from Obama's remarks this time.  If Ailes understands one thing it is power.
[ Parent ]
You'll find out in about a minute, according to David Shuster. (2.00 / 5)

[ Parent ]
They Didn't... (2.00 / 4)
"Another stone placed in the foundation of the American dream."  And I heard it here first on Fox.
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well... (2.00 / 6)
ron jeremy geraldo was defending the bill on a number of fronts.  gasp.

It's a terrible thing to look over your shoulder when you are trying to lead, and find no one there. -Franklin Roosevelt
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HA! (2.00 / 6)
The Hedgehog is back!

"Conway, whom experience had taught that rudeness was by no means a guarantee of good faith, was even less inclined to regard a well-turned phrase as a proof of insincerity."  James Hilton, Lost Horizon
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Am I supposed to have to ask who Ron Jeremy is (2.00 / 6)
or just let it hang knowing the question isn't necessary?

(I tried really hard to get the "let it hang" phrase in there and it is after midnight so cut me some slack.)

[ Parent ]
well, you could just wait around... (2.00 / 5)
...and see what comes up.

It's a terrible thing to look over your shoulder when you are trying to lead, and find no one there. -Franklin Roosevelt
[ Parent ]
I'd rather go to bed. hehehe (2.00 / 4)

[ Parent ]
Could be.... (2.00 / 4)
...a very long wait...and I am sure the suspense will be thick.

/snicker

"And now here is my secret, a very simple secret;
it is only with the heart that one can see rightly,
what is essential is invisible to the eye."
~Antoine de Saint-Exupéry

[ Parent ]
The most likeable (2.00 / 4)
male porn star in history.

"Conway, whom experience had taught that rudeness was by no means a guarantee of good faith, was even less inclined to regard a well-turned phrase as a proof of insincerity."  James Hilton, Lost Horizon
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Oh crap, holy god, (2.00 / 5)
is there something wrong with my mind that I first read your comment as "the most doable male porn star in history"?? At the moment, I shudder to think that Freud might have been right.

"I now am bold to say to the swift changing hours,
Pass, pass upon your way, for I grow never old,
Fleet to the dark abysm with all your fading flowers,
One rose that none may pluck, within my heart I hold."
[ Parent ]
Ron's the ultimate. (2.00 / 2)
He's unthreateningly unattractive, disarmingly relaxed and charmingly normal.  In an interview I saw he summed up his appeal pretty well as an ugly guy that other guys aren't put off by.  57 years old and he's still around (and afaik still filming).

Freud was right, BTW. ;~)

"Conway, whom experience had taught that rudeness was by no means a guarantee of good faith, was even less inclined to regard a well-turned phrase as a proof of insincerity."  James Hilton, Lost Horizon

[ Parent ]
Just Had a Thought... (2.00 / 8)
On what Obama gets out of this, besides a continuing Democratic majority and two terms:


[ Parent ]
Extra mojo for posting the Queen of Motown. (2.00 / 7)
God, she's got a great voice.

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross." - Sinclair Lewis

[ Parent ]
Wow! (2.00 / 5)
I think Ed Schultz wants to have Obama's baby.  Big change in tone; guess people really do like a fighter.
schultz was on his game tonight (2.00 / 3)
or the bit I saw anyway.  more articulate; not as frothy and bloviating as usual.  maybe he's just a better panleist than host.  i dunno.

It's a terrible thing to look over your shoulder when you are trying to lead, and find no one there. -Franklin Roosevelt
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It was all worth it (2.00 / 9)
I'm glad I blogged in 2008.  I'm glad I helped found this site back in 2008.  I'm glad I agitated.

I'm glad we did it.  It was worth it.  Thanks, guys.  Seriously, thanks.

Hear hear! (2.00 / 5)
Agreed.  It has been worth it.  It's been good for me personally to do all this and it turns out to be good for all of us.

Good to see you, Reaper!

"Conway, whom experience had taught that rudeness was by no means a guarantee of good faith, was even less inclined to regard a well-turned phrase as a proof of insincerity."  James Hilton, Lost Horizon

[ Parent ]
Every Moment... (2.00 / 4)
I ever spent on behalf of Obama since February 2007 is repaid with dividend.  The rest is gravy.
[ Parent ]
Good to see you, too (2.00 / 5)
I've not been too terribly plugged in of late.  The fire hasn't burned, if you know what I mean.  This victory, though...
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The Moose has become my background noise. (2.00 / 2)
I don't really go anywhere else to talk politics other than the occasional foray into arguments on FB like the one that led to this diary that involved a conversation with the chair of the Libertarian Party.

My interest isn't really the "fire" of winning or losing an election or a vote, it is more the on-going puzzle of how we all live together.

"Conway, whom experience had taught that rudeness was by no means a guarantee of good faith, was even less inclined to regard a well-turned phrase as a proof of insincerity."  James Hilton, Lost Horizon

[ Parent ]
reaper!!!!!! (2.00 / 5)


It's a terrible thing to look over your shoulder when you are trying to lead, and find no one there. -Franklin Roosevelt
[ Parent ]
sup fogiv? (2.00 / 3)
What's new?
[ Parent ]
Obama live... (2.00 / 5)

"Tonight is the victory of Americans"..way to go President Obama.. (2.00 / 5)

[ Parent ]
Joe looked like a proud papa. (2.00 / 5)
Obama looked and sounded ... resolute.  I didn't expect a high-fiving swagger but there was no celebration in his tone.
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He Sounded... (2.00 / 5)
So damn presidential.  And he dared Republicans to run on repealing this.  Ain't gonna' happen.  It's all been a big, cowardly bluff.  Watching Fox deconstruct itself before my eyes now.  
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So, now that the bill has passed, when is FEMA coming to take away my babies? (2.00 / 5)
I just want to be sure to get one of the good FEMA trailers when the jack booted ACORN thugs beat down my doors.

I was assured that this would be the first step once the bill passed, and we slipped into a Fascist/Commie/Socialist state.  Please remember, that Hubie bruises easily, and that I don't do down comforters.  

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I think you're near the top of the list, (2.00 / 4)
let me check with my Electric Huxley and get back to you.

"Conway, whom experience had taught that rudeness was by no means a guarantee of good faith, was even less inclined to regard a well-turned phrase as a proof of insincerity."  James Hilton, Lost Horizon
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Hallelujah! (2.00 / 9)
I'm going to celebrate this victory tonight. And, maybe tomorrow. But after that, it's time to move on to the next battle in the fight to turn this country around. If I've learned anything during the last 14 months, it's that we desperately need change.

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross." - Sinclair Lewis

And it begins: (2.00 / 7)
Geraldo is asking the FOX audience if it isn't possible that Obama is right?  That this bill will in fact bring progress.  "Raise your hand if you don't like that idea (that pre-existing conditions are gone)?"

hmmm...  

Hope.

"Conway, whom experience had taught that rudeness was by no means a guarantee of good faith, was even less inclined to regard a well-turned phrase as a proof of insincerity."  James Hilton, Lost Horizon

One of the first things we need to do is to start a campaign (2.00 / 7)
to get out the truth of what is in the bill. Now that passions will be a little muted, we should be able to completely expose the lies that were spread about the bill. People don't like to be lied to or to be made to appear to be fools. They are going to turn on the liars if we can get the truth out there. This could be the most damaging thing imaginable for the GOP.

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross." - Sinclair Lewis

Obama already started the blitz... (2.00 / 7)
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The Brainless Punditry (2.00 / 6)
Will take care of that.  Health care reform just won American Idol, you see?
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I wonder if maybe, (2.00 / 7)
just maybe, the President will sign this into law on Friday. That's my birthday. It would be one hell of a birthday present. Best I ever got, by far.

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross." - Sinclair Lewis

Tuesday, apparently. (2.00 / 7)
Happy birthday in case I miss it, though.

"Conway, whom experience had taught that rudeness was by no means a guarantee of good faith, was even less inclined to regard a well-turned phrase as a proof of insincerity."  James Hilton, Lost Horizon
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He is signing the fixes later in the week. though. (2.00 / 3)
Might be a better present for John.
[ Parent ]
Word. (2.00 / 2)
Christopher --

For the first time in our nation's history, Congress has passed comprehensive health care reform. America waited a hundred years and fought for decades to reach this moment. Tonight, thanks to you, we are finally here.

Consider the staggering scope of what you have just accomplished:

Because of you, every American will finally be guaranteed high quality, affordable health care coverage.

Every American will be covered under the toughest patient protections in history. Arbitrary premium hikes, insurance cancellations, and discrimination against pre-existing conditions will now be gone forever.

And we'll finally start reducing the cost of care -- creating millions of jobs, preventing families and businesses from plunging into bankruptcy, and removing over a trillion dollars of debt from the backs of our children.

But the victory that matters most tonight goes beyond the laws and far past the numbers.

It is the peace of mind enjoyed by every American, no longer one injury or illness away from catastrophe.

It is the workers and entrepreneurs who are now freed to pursue their slice of the American dream without fear of losing coverage or facing a crippling bill.

And it is the immeasurable joy of families in every part of this great nation, living happier, healthier lives together because they can finally receive the vital care they need.

This is what change looks like.

My gratitude tonight is profound. I am thankful for those in past generations whose heroic efforts brought this great goal within reach for our times. I am thankful for the members of Congress whose months of effort and brave votes made it possible to take this final step. But most of all, I am thankful for you.

This day is not the end of this journey. Much hard work remains, and we have a solemn responsibility to do it right. But we can face that work together with the confidence of those who have moved mountains.

Our journey began three years ago, driven by a shared belief that fundamental change is indeed still possible. We have worked hard together every day since to deliver on that belief.

We have shared moments of tremendous hope, and we've faced setbacks and doubt. We have all been forced to ask if our politics had simply become too polarized and too short-sighted to meet the pressing challenges of our time. This struggle became a test of whether the American people could still rally together when the cause was right -- and actually create the change we believe in.

Tonight, thanks to your mighty efforts, the answer is indisputable: Yes we can.

Thank you,

President Barack Obama



"Conway, whom experience had taught that rudeness was by no means a guarantee of good faith, was even less inclined to regard a well-turned phrase as a proof of insincerity."  James Hilton, Lost Horizon
Congratulations! (2.00 / 4)
Congratulations! Welcome to the club!
Thanks! (2.00 / 2)


"Conway, whom experience had taught that rudeness was by no means a guarantee of good faith, was even less inclined to regard a well-turned phrase as a proof of insincerity."  James Hilton, Lost Horizon
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Kaiser (2.00 / 5)
From Steve M on the D:

The Kaiser Foundation released a paper a few weeks ago in which they compared the current bill to the Republican alternative that was introduced in 1993 as an alternative to Hillarycare.  The Republican bill was written by John Chafee, a liberal Republican, but it was co-sponsored by 20 other Republicans, including Bob Dole.  5 of the Republicans who co-sponsored that legislation are still in the Senate.

The Kaiser Foundation found that the two bills were substantially similar.  The major components of the current bill were all in the Republican bill from 1993.



"Conway, whom experience had taught that rudeness was by no means a guarantee of good faith, was even less inclined to regard a well-turned phrase as a proof of insincerity."  James Hilton, Lost Horizon
Howard Dean likened it to Romney's MA legislation. (2.00 / 2)
Dems keep doing that and Romney will be sunk in 2012.
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I am pleased that (2.00 / 6)
President Obama got this victory.

But a big part of it, imo, is because of Nancy Pelosi.  Don't want to rain on anyone's parade here, but Nancy has been trashed for years by the right, called every name in the book, and took it .....and still kept fighting for health care.

She deserves a lot of credit too.  

"Those who stand for nothing fall for anything...Mankind are forever destined to be the dupes of bold & cunning imposture" -- Alexander Hamilton

That she does. (2.00 / 3)
And, I've been pointing this out for some time now. I'm not the only one on the Moose that gives her props. I think the media will start talking her up now, too.  

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross." - Sinclair Lewis

[ Parent ]
Check out the update I made.... (2.00 / 2)
... to my Cometh the Man diary last night.  

Moose Juice; debate without hate
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She's the biggest winner here (2.00 / 4)
and the biggest reason why this happened because she stuck to her guns and was unwavering the whole time. She wouldn't even entertain the notion of not passing a bill.

Very Rayburnesque, the Speaker.  

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Grant her that, no doubt. (2.00 / 1)
This is a huge success for her.

She still isn't my favorite Democrat.  She can hardly get a sentence out without adding a combative line about Bush, which just seems more and more trite.  IMHO she still has a lot to learn from Obama about debate without demonization.

But she isn't asking me to like her, fortunately (hmmm, who is my new congresscritter?  CD14 - [D]Anna Eshoo).

"Conway, whom experience had taught that rudeness was by no means a guarantee of good faith, was even less inclined to regard a well-turned phrase as a proof of insincerity."  James Hilton, Lost Horizon

[ Parent ]
She's been more demonized by the right (2.00 / 2)
than anyone......her remarks about Bush, albeit deserved, have been mild at best.

"Pelosi's America" with a face of disgust has been the MO for the right, and even the "centrists" for years.  
Part of it was her gender.

Women, like Hillary, like Nancy when being tough a redemonized as b*tches or as cold, or they can't let it go, just cuz they are women.  W said some horridly nasty things about dems, and his team were so horridly crass in their treatment of left, from John Kerry to Max Cleland, and they got a pass.  If I had a penny for every righty and centrist who insisted W was "a nice guy" when he was horrid to people.

Sorry, once again we disagree.  Strong, outspoken women are still overly criticized in this county.  It's a hot button for me.

"Those who stand for nothing fall for anything...Mankind are forever destined to be the dupes of bold & cunning imposture" -- Alexander Hamilton

But we can still breath the same air. Cool, ain't it? :~) (2.00 / 2)
I know you're sincere and you know (I assume) that I'm not Archie Bunker.

What a wonderful world...!~)

"Conway, whom experience had taught that rudeness was by no means a guarantee of good faith, was even less inclined to regard a well-turned phrase as a proof of insincerity."  James Hilton, Lost Horizon

[ Parent ]
Archie Bunker's Congressperson (2.00 / 4)
was Geraldine Ferraro...true story.  
[ Parent ]
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