Thirteenthers

Roosevelt and Wilson were white. (2.00 / 9)

That's all we need to say to explain the thinking of these Friday the 13th'ers.

"If you're in a coalition and you're comfortable, you know it's not a broad enough coalition"

Bernice Johnson Reagon

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by: DeniseVelez @ Fri Jul 30, 2010 at 00:05:14 AM CDT

Yup! (2.00 / 9)

Was talking to a friend of mine today who said this is all about racism even though these people swear they aren't racists.  Either they aren't aware of being racists or they don't understand what racism is or they're lying.

In any case, they sure are coming out of the woodwork these days.

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by: GMFORD @ Fri Jul 30, 2010 at 00:27:38 AM CDT

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Boyz in the Hoods. (2.00 / 6)

I hope that they all get to eat a heaping helping of Jim Crow.

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by: Rashaverak @ Fri Jul 30, 2010 at 14:02:05 PM CDT

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Ding Ding Ding Ding!! (2.00 / 8)

More and more I am reminded of that Chinese blessing/curse: "May you live in interesting times"...we certainly are witnessing 'interesting times'.
I find myself just shaking my head in amazement at some of the outright lunacy that has been embraced by so many.

And we are not yet 2 years in.

Interesting times indeed.


"And now here is my secret, a very simple secret;
it is only with the heart that one can see rightly,
what is essential is invisible to the eye."
~Antoine de Saint-Exupéry

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by: Kysen @ Fri Jul 30, 2010 at 02:05:27 AM CDT

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Jimmy Carter was also awarded the Nobel Peace Prize, in 2002. (2.00 / 6)

I was remiss in not including him in my original draft.

Oh, that's right, Jimmy Carter is white, too, just like TR and WW.  That might explain the lack of uproar when he got the Prize, ya think?

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by: Rashaverak @ Fri Jul 30, 2010 at 14:05:57 PM CDT

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This is just crazy. (2.00 / 7)

Sounds like an MTV hidden camera show or something.

Is this from a comedy site? LOL!

Wow. This costs money too. This "work" they are doing is on somebody's dime.

What a waste. Unbelievable.

Without poverty, corruption, injustice, bigotry, stupidity, and inequality good people like us would have absolutely nothing to do. - fogiv

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by: spacemanspiff @ Fri Jul 30, 2010 at 00:15:59 AM CDT

Oddly, for folks who would like a return to what the Framers "intended" (2.00 / 8)

You don't hear much clamor for a return to state charters for corporations.

It is old news that our nation was once incredibly resistant to corporate influence. The Dutch India and other early nationals were hardly friends to our fledgling nation, and to seal the deal, back in the day, the laws were skewed not just corporate charters to operate on our shores, but charters within each state that they wished to operate in, which likewise had to spell out their intentions, and more importantly what greater good their operation would support in those states.

It was the Framers' intent to limit corporate influence by watering down their operations through the skien of the states' needs. That went out the window as time went on, and Western expansion was seen as paramount into territories where government was disorganized, at best.

The argument to base our actions on our Framers' intent, then means opening up a whole can of worms that would divest us of the legal notion of "corporate citizenship" and likewise of "lobbying" and "campaign contributions" by companies, which our Framers would have called "bribes."  It should be interesting to see how this shakes out in the end, and if anyone remembers that portion of the Framers' intentions.

I want to base decisions of national import on laws that never passed.  That seems like a brilliant system.  

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by: hubiestubert @ Fri Jul 30, 2010 at 08:08:44 AM CDT

I know it won't happen but someone needs to keep pounding (2.00 / 6)

Chuck Grassley and whomever else is in the Iowa Congressional delegation about this.  Make them either support or denounce this mess.

This whole thing is so freakin' frustrating.  Oppose the guy on the issues but, Jesus, move on from the citizenship crap.  Like someone's really going to strip a sitting president of his citizenship.  At best, this would wind up in the Courts until long after Obama's left the White House because, presumably, there would be arguments as to whether the lack of citizenship would be retroactive to pre-Inauguration.  I don't think the Constitution addresses that.  Also, do they think McCain becomes president?  We'd get Biden and ... what a minute.  Would Biden get to choose a replacement VP?  Wouldn't it be a hoot if he either chose Obama and became "ill" and couldn't be president anymore?  Or, someone really Left like Bernie Sanders?

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by: HappyinVT @ Fri Jul 30, 2010 at 10:15:14 AM CDT

BTW, on a completely shallow note, the guy in the first picture (2.00 / 6)

has a smile that can light up a city.

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by: HappyinVT @ Fri Jul 30, 2010 at 10:15:57 AM CDT

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One would think that Teaple so dedicated to the Constitution (2.00 / 5)

and to the intent of the Founding Fathers would take due notice of Article 1, Section 9, Clause 3:

No bill of attainder or ex post facto Law shall be passed.

Now, one might argue that this abortive Thirteenth Amendment, if adopted, would trump Article 1, Section 9, Clause 3, one might also say that because Article V requires, as one way of initiating the Amendment process, that two-thirds of both houses of Congress vote to propose an amendment, Congress could not validly participate in the exercise if the proposed amendment would operate on an ex post facto basis.

I don't recall anyone screaming about stripping Jimmy Carter of his U.S. citizenship when he was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize in 2002, or stripping Ronald Reagan of his U.S. citizenship when H.M. ER II appointed RWR
a Knight Grand Cross of the Most Honourable Order of the Bath
 

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by: Rashaverak @ Fri Jul 30, 2010 at 13:58:45 PM CDT

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One more thing, Thirteenthers.... (2.00 / 3)

Did you overlook Article 1, Section 9, Clause 7?

No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince or foreign State.

http://www.usconstitution.net/...

and this legal opinion?

http://www.justice.gov/olc/200...

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by: Rashaverak @ Sat Jul 31, 2010 at 10:20:59 AM CDT

As If... (2.00 / 1)

Politics meets popular culture.  Reality television has a lot to answer for.

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by: Shaun Appleby @ Sun Aug 08, 2010 at 19:40:16 PM CDT