Addressing McCain on Veterans Issues

by: USArmyParatrooper

Mon Sep 29, 2008 at 00:36:06 AM EDT


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After watching the debate I have to speak up. I am a currently serving veteran of the Iraq war who is soon to go back. Senator McCain, with all due respect, you do NOT speak for me. And just as you do not speak for me; I do not speak for all Soldiers. We all think for ourselves.

Stop implying that you are the only one who can understand our veterans, because for millions of us clearly you do not. So let me address some of the things you said during the debate.

(cross posted from various places)

USArmyParatrooper :: Addressing McCain on Veterans Issues
McCain: Senator Obama said the surge could not work, said it would increase sectarian violence, said it was doomed to failure. Recently on a television program, he said it exceed our wildest expectations.

While our media lacks the courage to challenge this claim, I do not. The surge has little or nothing to do with the reduction in violence. The reduction in violence has come about from NON-combat related efforts. The Anbar awakening, major Shiia and Sunni militants no-longer fighting us and fighting al-Quaeda. We are even paying those who use to attack our forces. This is a temporary band-aid because, as Iraq has proven, alliances change hands faster than a hot potato. And we're not going to be paying them forever.


MCCAIN: I'm afraid Senator Obama doesn't understand the difference between a tactic and a strategy.

Says the guy who claimed the surge caused the Anbar awakening, which occurred months prior to the troop surge.

MCCAIN: But the important -- I'd like to tell you, two Fourths of July ago I was in Baghdad. General Petraeus invited Senator Lindsey Graham and me to attend a ceremony where 688 brave young Americans, whose enlistment had expired, were reenlisting to stay and fight for Iraqi freedom and American freedom.

I reenlisted when I was in Iraq. And I think the Iraq war was a huge mistake and I am voting for Barack Obama. Let me lay down some FACTS here. We (our troops) as individuals may or may not support the Iraq war. But that does not necessarily decide whether or not we decide to stay in. IF you are going to reenlist (anyway), it is much preferable to do so while you're in Iraq.

Fact: Reenlisting in Iraq makes your re-up bonus tax free.

Fact: Reenlisting in Iraq makes your payout lump sum, vs payments over time.

Fact: You can reenlist early in Iraq. At home you have to wait until you're in your window. But if you're deployed you can take advantage of a bonus by reenlisting EARLY.

So of course there's a high reenlistment rate when Soldiers are deployed. It doesn't mean they agree with your war (they may or may not). It just means that they're smart and they're going to make a sound financial decision about when and (more important) where they reenlist.

MCCAIN: I was honored to be there. I was honored to speak to those troops. And you know, afterwards, we spent a lot of time with them. And you know what they said to us? They said, let us win. They said, let us win. We don't want our kids coming back here.

Yes, and I'm sure Soldiers would walk right up to a US Senator during a deployment and express a dissenting opinion.


MCCAIN: And also General Petraeus said the same thing. Osama bin Laden and General Petraeus have one thing in common that I know of, they both said that Iraq is the central battleground.

Patraeus actually (quoted) Bin Laden as saying that. And since when do we allow our enemies to dictate when and where we fight them? Of course Bin Laden wants to tie us up there. It distracts us from HIS HOME, it's cost us more American lives than 9-11™ and sans the Iraq war we can more than pay for the 700 Billion dollar financial bailout.

MCCAIN: A war that I was in, where we had an Army, that it wasn't through any fault of their own, but they were defeated. And I know how hard it is for that -- for an Army and a military to recover from that. And it did and we will win this one and we won't come home in defeat and dishonor and probably have to go back if we fail.

Are you saying you came home with dishonor? You'd rather us come home with a word General Patraeus himself said he wouldn't use [victory]? All we are doing there is the best we can to clean up a mess that you and Bush created.

MCCAIN: And I'll tell you, I had a town hall meeting in Wolfeboro, New Hampshire, and a woman stood up and she said, "Senator McCain, I want you to do me the honor of wearing a bracelet with my son's name on it."

Be glad it wasn't my mother. She wants to give you two bracelets with a chain connecting them. I'm not saying I would go that far, just if you see her you might want to do an about-face and forward march.

MCCAIN: Jim, when I came home from prison, I saw our veterans being very badly treated, and it made me sad. And I embarked on an effort to resolve the POW-MIA issue, which we did in a bipartisan fashion, and then I worked on normalization of relations between our two countries so that our veterans could come all the way home.

I guarantee you, as president of the United States, I know how to heal the wounds of war, I know how to deal with our adversaries, and I know how to deal with our friends.

All of this is evident by your treatment of Dolores Alfond, who's brother was shot down in Vietnam.

Next up is you opposing Senator Webb's GI Bill because you felt it was too generous for those who "ONLY" served one term, who likely served two tours in combat and many of whom have come home wounded and/or with PTSD. How many tours had you served by the time the tax payers fully funded your education?

Next up is you taking credit for the GI Bill you opposed and refused to vote on.

Next up is another veteran, like myself, calling you out on it.

 

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Hello, (2.00 / 10)
This is my first, ever post on this forum. Cheers.  

And damn proud to see you here. (2.00 / 6)


"Conway, whom experience had taught that rudeness was by no means a guarantee of good faith, was even less inclined to regard a well-turned phrase as a proof of insincerity."  James Hilton, Lost Horizon

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We were hoping you would find your way here. (2.00 / 7)
Really glad to have you here. Don't forget to let us know when your unit deploys.

John


"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross." - Sinclair Lewis


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Thank you (2.00 / 6)
My deployment date is November 13th. I get to be home for the elections :)

I've never heard of this blog before. Fairly new? The only progressive blogs that I knew of are Dailykos and MyDD.

I like the high traffic of dailykos but a lot of important things get buried in the shuffle.  


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Very new : ) (2.00 / 4)
We are rolling up on our 3rd week being 'open for business'.

Welcome, and thank you for posting your diary here. I think that our soldiers/sailors are going to put 'conventional thinking' on its ear this election. I think that you and your brothers and sisters in arms will be a deciding factor in seeing Obama to the White House.

Spread the word, invite your friends....the more the merrier!

"And now here is my secret, a very simple secret;
it is only with the heart that one can see rightly,
what is essential is invisible to the eye."
~Antoine de Saint-Exupéry


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Great to have you here (2.00 / 2)
I always read your posts on MYDD, but things could get a little fractious round there. You're right, things whizz by on DKOS, and get lost. Great to have you here.

I'm trying to get a friend of mine who's been on four or five tours to Iraq to post here too. But your takedown of McCain's war and veteran's credentials couldn't be more timely. Love this line too:

 
MCCAIN: And I'll tell you, I had a town hall meeting in Wolfeboro, New Hampshire, and a woman stood up and she said, "Senator McCain, I want you to do me the honor of wearing a bracelet with my son's name on it."

Be glad it wasn't my mother. She wants to give you two bracelets with a chain connecting them.

Thanks so much for posting this UsArmyParatrooper.


Moose Juice; debate without hate


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That part indudced... (0.00 / 0)
...a fist pump and yelp from me too.  Good stuff.

Ricki learned to braid gimp at Jesus Camp.

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You might remember the burst of GBCW diaries on MYDD in early August (2.00 / 2)
this site grew out of those. There were 25 of us who formed this blog - all of us active members of MYDD. We are just getting started.

John


"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross." - Sinclair Lewis


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RecList for USAP on KOS this morning (2.00 / 3)
The Troops Donate more to Obama than McCain

Good going!

"Conway, whom experience had taught that rudeness was by no means a guarantee of good faith, was even less inclined to regard a well-turned phrase as a proof of insincerity."  James Hilton, Lost Horizon


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You honor us with your presence. (2.00 / 6)
Thank you for sharing this diary.

Not much I can add to that.

Smackdown.

Let's kick some GOP ass!

Please ignore some inchoherent rambling and all typos (and other errors). My brain is on autopilot.


Great to have you. (2.00 / 5)
Powerful diary.

Ricki learned to braid gimp at Jesus Camp.

Wonderful diary, (2.00 / 3)
and very, very pleased to have you here.

"I now am bold to say to the swift changing hours,
Pass, pass upon your way, for I grow never old,
Fleet to the dark abysm with all your fading flowers,
One rose that none may pluck, within my heart I hold. "


I really enjoyed your diary. (2.00 / 4)
That was the first time I've seen the video of McCain treating Ms. Alfond horribly.  He rambled on completely off the topic for ages preventing her from speaking, then was openly rude to her and finally stormed out of the room.  What a total jerk!

And the non-answer to the Marine asking about the GI Bill.  He said he wouldn't support it for the very reasons the Marine had just explained were not valid.  What a total jerk!



I'm not violent in the least... (2.00 / 2)
...but that clip made me want to put McCain's lights out.

Ricki learned to braid gimp at Jesus Camp.

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Hey GM (2.00 / 3)
OT - but great to see you on the Moose.  

Moose Juice; debate without hate

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Hey Brit! (2.00 / 2)
Yep, had to be where the cool cats are. ;)

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My kid, the conservative Republican Iraq veteran (2.00 / 5)
Outstanding diary!

I watched the debate with my son, an Iraq veteran and former conservative Republican voting for Obama.

He reacted exactly the same way to the "reelisting in Iraq" bullshat -- said he almost did himself because the financial incentives were close to irresistable and he would bet his bank account that the majority who DID reelist in front of Senator McCain did so for the money and not because they supported the war.  Or, put another way, they might have supported their unit's work in the war, but not the war itself.

We were both equally peeved off by the "coming home with honor" line and the comparison to Vietnam.  My son is extremely proud of the work he did in Iraq. (his MP unit helped reform and restructure detention centers post Abu Graib) Staying, leaving, "winning", "losing", whatever happens now has nothing to do with that pride or potential "dishonor".  

It makes ME crazy how from the beginning Bush and Company have exploited sentimentalized notions about military service to promote their own twisted agenda.  My son is one soldier fairly vocal about allowing the military to "finish the job".  But his opinion has absolutely nothing to do with honor or dishonor -- it has to do with smart and stupid and nothing more.  If the war ends tomorrow he won't spend the rest of his life in disgrace for having "lost" a war.  To those who have been to war it's not like a football game -- it's a wee bit more complex than that.  

And add me to the list of military moms that McCain is lucky to have never met.  I wouldn't wish that year of my life on any mother even as I can't fathom the pain of losing a loved one to war.  The mother McCain spoke to does NOT speak for me -- she speaks from a political space that shapes her opinion of her loss.  Ask Cindy Sheehan.



In the coming days of the race to the bottom, you really will wish you had EFCA.  


PS (2.00 / 3)
I'm sure USArmyParatrooper knows about this site, but there's a large and growing group of Blue and Gold Star Families supporting Obama.

Their website is

http://www.bsf4o.com

And this, just as an example, is one of the most recent posts:

"The problem in defense is how far you can go without destroying from within
what you are trying to defend from without."

These words were spoken by President and General Dwight D. Eisenhower. If Ike now sounds "liberal" is it any wonder we find ourselves, our country, and our "family" so far adrift?

We are all in this together, paying with our blood. To impugne my Patriotism, or the service of my son fighting alongside yours, because of political differences does more harm to the fabric of this country than any terrorist could; destroying ourselves from within though jingoism. My kind of Patriotism, predicated upon the example of those who serve, has no place for that.

Anne-Marie McWilliams, New Jersey
(Actual letter sent to Senator McCain after the debate on September 26, 2008)



Moose Juice; debate without hate

BSF4O Grassroots Efforts! (2.00 / 4)
Thank you for mentioning us...I'm on the prowl for GREAT articles like this one to share with our Pro Military Pro Obama forces.  We track great articles like this one on our website to help spread the message that Obama is our choice for the next Commander in Chief!

We did not come to fear the future. We came here to shape it. --President Barack Obama

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What bugs me most about McCain (2.00 / 6)
Well, maybe not the most, but it's up there.

I can't stand how McCain presents himself as speaking for all military persons and veterans and how he holds himself up as having some unique insights into the struggles of military families.

For one thing -- his military experience was nothing if not ATYPICAL.  He was the son and grandson of admirals; his father was the THEATER COMMANDER during his time in Vietnam; he was a pilot -- not a grunt on the ground; and he exited the service to a world of beautiful beer heiresses and celebrity status.

He never had to fight and beg the VA for benefits.  He didn't come home to a mountain of bills and the immediate need to hold a job or get an education.  He didn't come home the invisible veteran's struggle to keep afloat and cope with the after effects.

Even his POW time left him far out of the mainstream for a veteran and a serviceperson.  His service while noble was UNIQUE and taught him little or nothing about maintaining morale and getting the job done under "normal" military circumstances.

His family was anything but typical.  While he was gone they weren't struggling to keep a roof over their heads or navigate the military maze.   And Vietnam was no Iraq for a whole host of reasons.  Even setting all that aside -- how can a 72 year old man, who last served 40 years ago -- claim to automatically understand the life of a serviceperson a third of his age in this day and economy?

Nearly everything about the military is different now than it was 40 years ago -- starting with it's all volunteer and fully integrated.  The jobs are different, the command is different, the culture is completely different.  But more importantly, the TIMES are different, what you left, what you come back into, how we communicate and advance, what we believe.

Sooner Obama understands the majority of today's servicepersons -- folks who grew up working class or poor and devised for themselves a way to escape where they came from.  McCain didn't enlist for the money or the training and he wasn't coming back to struggle to make ends meet.  He may better understand the culture of generals and strategic decisions, but he knows nothing of what it's like to stand in ordinary Joe boots on the ground.  

In the coming days of the race to the bottom, you really will wish you had EFCA.  


This would make an excellent diary (2.00 / 2)
You always impress me with your comments, GRO. You should flesh some of them out a bit and turn them into diaries.

John


"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross." - Sinclair Lewis


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Indeed, it would. (2.00 / 1)
Hope to see more on this GRO.

Ricki learned to braid gimp at Jesus Camp.

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Thank YOU! from a BSF4O Member! (2.00 / 4)
This ROCKS!  I am sending it on to the latest news and links for our Blue Star Families for Obama group (www.bsf4o.com), and I have linked it to my blog as well (www.navybluewife.com).

I found it ironic and troubling to watch McCain go after Dolores Alfond, especially his continued reference about how he does not denigrate anyone else's opinion, especially on military issues.  There are videos and testimonials all over the place showing how he treats veterans and military families with disrespect if they do not agree with him.

And since it is happy VP debate week, just think about Sarah Palin as Commander in Chief!  I know that I don't want her pulling the strings with my military family.

We did not come to fear the future. We came here to shape it. --President Barack Obama


I don't like to consider the possibility of President Palin (2.00 / 2)
much less Commander in Chief Palin!

Richard Clarke and Maj. Gen. Gration agree, and they would have more reason to know than I.

Thanks for your comments.  USAP is near and dear to all of us here, and I'm glad you are sharing his words.

-best to you, your NavyBlueHusband and your NavyBlueFamily! :~)

-chris



"Conway, whom experience had taught that rudeness was by no means a guarantee of good faith, was even less inclined to regard a well-turned phrase as a proof of insincerity."  James Hilton, Lost Horizon


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