Mind Your Own Damned Business

by: HappyinVT

Wed Feb 08, 2012 at 21:54:18 PM EST



Or, get out of my relationship, my bedroom and/or my uterus.

I'm tired.  I'm tired of people who don't know me trying to tell me what to do because of something he or she believes.

Why do people care so much who I sleep with?  Who I marry?  What I do with my body?  It's my f*cking life and I should have some damn choice.  And it is getting to the point where I'm going to reach into my computer screen and choke the crap out of the next sanctimonious, smug jerkwad who tells me that I should be forced to carry the product of a rape.  I'm going to toss my smartphone out the window the next time someone tells me same-sex marriage is ruining this country.

HappyinVT :: Mind Your Own Damned Business
How is it okay to attempt to deny women birth control but force a women to have a probe shoved up into her uterus before a LEGAL MEDICAL PROCEDURE!  I hate these people?  But small government, ya'll.

How is it appropriate for government to tell a teenager that she must have the product of rape or incest?  Small government, ya'll.

How is it an abomination to allow two consenting adults the right to marry and to enjoy the benefits of the institution.  Small government, y'all.

It is only "small government" when they say it is.  How dare the government try to save an entire industry or to provide healthcare to people.  How dare the government provide assistance to the elderly, the poor, the unemployed.  But it is okay to be up in my private parts because of what you believe.

And now we have the latest government intrusion: forcing the church-affiliated employers to provide birth control coverage to employees.  I'm over-simplifying the matter but if you listen to the Right you'd think the Obama Administration had priests and nuns passing out the morning-after pill on every street corner.

So far the Administration is holding steady to its latest contraception guidelines (I emailed the White House to encourage same).  These are the same guidelines that least six states have had on the books for years and are more lenient than a whole host of other states'.  But OMG! Obama wants to kill your babies and take away your freedom!!!11!1!!  STFU with that!  I read today that it was Clinton, Sebelius, and Jarrett who urged the president to issue the guidelines and VP Biden and Denis McDonough (both Catholic) who urged caution.  Now I heart Joe but STFU dude.  Really.  Catholics use as much birth control as the rest of the free world and they support the guidelines.  I sincerely doubt too many Catholics are going to use this issue to vote against the president.  {{deep breath and new paragraph}}

And we have a slight kerfuffle over the president's decision to use Super PACs.  And OMG! he's sold us out!  He's allowing the super rich to control the elections! He's just like Bush!  Yeah, Russ Feingold and Robert Reich and some guy named Cenk who would not be on my tv even if I had cable :P are up in arms because the president decided to use the legal means available to win re-election.  Apparently, Feingold believes the president will easily win a second term so why bother ... yes, that's the same Russ Feingold who lost his own re-election bid because some folks believe he took it for granted.  And Robert Reich thinks this lets the super rich control the elections.  EARTH TO ROBERT REICH:  they already do!  Now imagine President Romney (or OMFG! President Santorum).

Who wants to take that chance?  I sure as hell don't.  Keeping the Senate isn't a given.  Getting the House is a long-shot at best.  And anyone who says they plan to sit out this election or vote third party in a swing state can kiss my doughy white butt because there is too much at stake to play games or to deny ourselves any legal means necessary.  And if anyone needs any further "encouragement" Ruth Bader Ginsburg isn't going to last four more years and who knows what else may happen to the other seven justices.*  

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* (2.00 / 7)
That's a nod to Rick Perry.

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette

Oh crap! (2.00 / 6)
Get me off the front page!!  I don't know how to demote.

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette

Heh (2.00 / 6)
Too late.  You didn't untick the "post on front page box" and now you are stuck here.  And since people have already commented and complimented you (nice diary, Happy) it would be discourteous to delete it.

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It HAD to be on the front page. (2.00 / 6)
Love it when you rant. It's a thing of beauty.  

Just because they are posting on a progressive site doesn't make them progressives. - John Allen

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Do You Want an Image in Your Diary? (2.00 / 4)
If you post a link to one I could add it for you if you like:

Like this.


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I tossed in a picture but I suck at the spacing. (2.00 / 3)


"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette

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That Works (2.00 / 3)
Pity you don't have a bigger one.

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Is That Better? (2.00 / 3)
I can put it back the way it was if you don't like it.

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Fabulous! (2.00 / 4)
The "regular" sized image was HUGE!

Thank you so much!!

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette


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No Worries (2.00 / 5)
Happy to help.

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I see what you did there. (2.00 / 5)


"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette

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He's slick, that way. (2.00 / 4)
Perfect FP material, I agree with the accident of its conception.

You are correct to point out the hypocrisy. Those who preach for an absolute ideology cannot find it in themselves to stick to it, which is the one thing they get right.

John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."


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Rick Santorum, ladies and gentlemen... (2.00 / 6)
"One of the things that I will talk about that no president has talked about before is I think the dangers of contraception in this country, the sexual liberty idea and many in the Christian faith have said, you know contraception is OK. It's not OK because it's a license to do things in a sexual realm that is counter to how things are supposed to be."

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/201...

You can tell me he won't be the GOP nominee and I'll believe you but if they keep the House and win the Senate you don't think some of this kind of crap will come up?!  And who knows what Romney would sign?  Hell, he doesn't know.

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette


Let 'Em Try (2.00 / 4)
With the example of Komen for the Cure fresh in their minds only a bunch of idiots would go there.  Oh, wait...


Pro-choice Republicans are begging their party to drop this fight over contraception before it's too late. Turning to a discussion about access to birth control will be nothing short of a disaster, they say.

The new and unexpected war over contraception may not end up as only a battle between the White House and the Republican party. It could end up as a fight between the GOP and itself. As we saw during the 2011's push to defund Planned Parenthood - when some Republican Senators rebuked their colleagues in the House for attacking the organization - Republicans on Capitol Hill do not speak with one voice on matters of women's health.

Now, as Speaker John Boehner seemingly prepares to turn the House GOP's attention to contraception, pro-choice Republicans are warning that the GOP may become the next Komen For The Cure.

Evan McMorris-Santoro - Pro-Choice GOP Warns Party That Contraception Fight Will Be A Disaster TPM 8 Feb 12

You would have thought that with polling showing that even Catholics support this measure any sane politician would have avoided the subject.  Further evidence of the echo-chamber stupidity of Republicans?  You decide.


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I just hope the Administration stands firm which by all accounts (2.00 / 4)
it appears to be doing.  One group you do NOT want to piss off much more, as Komen found out, is women.  We're are about done with having to fight for every scrap.

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette

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Yeah... (2.00 / 4)
Well I'm guessing they are going to cave, frankly, at least as far as an exemption for religious organisations.  We'll see:


A handful of high-profile Catholic Democrats are bailing on the president and joining the GOP chorus of critics. They're arguing that the rule needs to be significantly softened if not, as Republicans want, scrapped altogether.

Scott Wong - Contraceptives rule upsets some Hill Democrats Politico 8 Feb 12

Maybe if we could get some Muslim providers to come out against it as well that would help...  


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Maybe if we'll get some god-damned Dems to stand with the (2.00 / 6)
president once in awhile.  That's why I don't give to the DSCC or the DCCC.  I'll support the candidates I want to support.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, Kaine is the best we can do in VA ... yadda, yadda, yadd.  Fucker.

:)

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette


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I Agree... (2.00 / 4)
The president should stand his ground.  This was a provision of the Affordable Care Act implemented in 2010, wasn't it?  Didn't the Republicans even read it at the time?

I fail to see how this comes as a surprise now.  Or that it is a big deal, apparently some Catholic organisations have been providing coverage for contraception all the while.  But silly things happen on both sides of the aisle at election time.


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There's a clear solution (2.00 / 6)
Replace all employee insurance plans with a national health service that is funded by a tax in the name of supporting the common good.  Then women AND men can elect whether or not to use contraception based on their private beliefs.  Oh, and I will fight to protect the rights of the Catholic Church to preach whatever it believes to its constituents.

Simple.  No?  

Individual freedom protected?  

Check.  

The freedom of religious institutions respected and protected?  

Check.

Health care costs slashed by reduction of administrative costs and through availability of preventative care?  

Check.

Personal responsibility encouraged by making health services available to all responsible individuals?

Check.

Personal choice and responsibility facilitated by removing bureaucrats in the employ of insurance companies from intervening in decisions made by patients in consultation with physicians?

Check.

I love preaching to the choir.  

Can I get an a-men here?

Can I get an A-MEN here?

I SAID...CAN I GET AN A-MEN HERE?

AND CAN I GET AN A-WOMEN HERE?

The future is unwritten


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Amen. (2.00 / 3)
Not going to happen, but amen nonetheless... ;~)

John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."

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It's not that simple. (2.00 / 4)
Single-payer means taxpayer funded. Have you already forgotten the Stupak debacle during the health care fight? How do we get single-payer and still cover poor women for abortion services given the Hyde amendment?

Let me turn my inner-wingnut loose.

Individual freedom protected?  

Check. Just the opposite. I'll have to have a policy that covers stuff I don't care about. How is that protecting my freedom?

The freedom of religious institutions respected and protected?

Check. Suuurrrre. Just like this hassle over birth control.

Health care costs slashed by reduction of administrative costs and through availability of preventative care?  

Check. Ha ha! Good one. We all know the government is more wasteful than business. There won't be any savings.

Personal responsibility encouraged by making health services available to all responsible individuals?

Check. Giving something away will encourage personal responsibility? Not hardly. The way to encourage personal responsibility is to let people die if they are too lazy to go out and get a job so they can have health care.

Personal choice and responsibility facilitated by removing bureaucrats in the employ of insurance companies from intervening in decisions made by patients in consultation with physicians?

Check. Right. Like government bureaucrats are going to be better than business people.

This is not a recession. It's a robbery.


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quick question: (2.00 / 6)
Would Muslim hospitals be allowed to be run based on Sharia Law? Or is the GOP only defending that right for Catholics?

Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey
 


If Sharia Law was pro-birth control, probably. (2.00 / 4)
Less Muslims would be born.

And, yes, I'm being sarcastic.

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette


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Curiously... (2.00 / 6)
Republican opposition is pretty much aligned with Sharia law in this instance:


In general, most forms of contraception and birth control are forbidden. But since Islam is a complete religion, we have the benefit of the Quran, the hadith and traditions of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), the companions, and many learned scholars to help us come to an informed decision.

First, any sort of permanent birth control that is not for medical reasons is forbidden. So any medical procedure that leads to complete sterilization and is not medically required, is not allowed. This goes against the teachings of our Prophet Muhammad and if not done for medical reasons, is usually done for vain, selfish or impractical purpose.

Temporary Birth Control

These include the Combined Oral Contraceptive Pill, aka "The Pill," patches, and other drugs that temporarily prevent birth.

In Islam, these methods are usually prohibited unless both of the following conditions are met:

   1. There is a medical reason for doing so.
   2. The husband agrees.

Abu Ibrahim - Islamic Rulings on Contraception Islamic Learning Materials 16 Apr 10

So, there is that.  Peace be upon them.  And their husbands.


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So is Boehner a secret Muslim? (2.00 / 4)
Is it irresponsible to speculate?

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette

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Well... (2.00 / 5)
Hard to say:


Is it haram to tan at [a] tanning bed?

Praise be to Allah.  Whenever we say that a thing is haram we must be able to bring evidence from the Quran or the authentic sunnah to support this.  There is nothing in islam that states tanning is haram.  And Allah knows best.

Laila Nasheeba - Is it haram to tan at tanning bed? AlQuran Wa Sunnah Question Board 30 Oct 09

So I guess it's an open question.


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It's Kind of Ironic... (2.00 / 6)
That one half of the Republican party is birthing a cow over this while the other half is desperately trying to sabotage Rick Santorum's nomination campaign because they know his rigid, sanctimonious views on almost every subject imaginable to do with sexytime are an absolute guarantee of an electoral bonfire of their party should he become their presidential candidate.

Sometimes you really have to wonder at the decision making process among those people.  Or if it actually exists.


Saw a tweet from Erickson last night (paraphrasing here) (2.00 / 4)
"Conviction trumps electability."  I'm going to assume that he'd rather lose with a guy who stands by what he believes than win with a well-known flip-flopper because I sincerely hope Erickson doesn't think Santorum can win a GE.

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette

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He Doesn't... (2.00 / 4)
And refers to him as a "pro-life statist."  It's a bit crazy over there, Erickson endorsed a near-Earth asteroid for the Republican nomination.  I kid you not.  It's been a tough year for them.

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yeah, the Trike Force is in shambles (2.00 / 4)


Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey
 


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Actually... (2.00 / 4)
I have been reading selectively there throughout the primary season and they are not an unintelligent bunch, mostly.  But things are pretty low at the moment; those who aren't suffering from what seems clinical depression are arguing with each other, or front pagers, like rats in a basket over which candidate is the least loathsome to their august conservative principles.  The atmosphere is isolated and gloomy and they know there are no do-overs.

I mean...  Imaging what things would have been like over at MyDD in 2008 if we were left to choose at this stage among Kerry, Kucinich and Lieberman and you can begin to feel a bit of sympathy.


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They Hate Us... (2.00 / 4)
Because, when we can see past their racism, shallow religiosity and wilful ignorance, we pity them.

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Meant to post the most delicious (and lengthy) sentence (2.00 / 5)
I've read in awhile:

Since I have been working the Komen beat almost exclusively, I have been remiss in pointing out that I fear that Barack Obama will in all likelihood be facing a socially maladroit charisma-challenged gaffe-prone filthy rich religious cultist who claims to be middle-class and unemployed, holds no deeply held belief that couldn't be swayed by a stiff breeze, enjoys making money by dismantling businesses, firing the employees and shipping their jobs overseas and then taking that money and stashing it in off-shore tax havens and who has recently been spending tens of millions of dollars fending off the likes of Newt Fucking Gingrich and Rick Fucking Santorum because, even faced with those horrible choices, most Republicans still find him as palatable as a semen-flavored popsicle.

Tbogg's a national treasure.

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette


And another thing. (2.00 / 6)
Church-affiliated businesses don't seem to mind hiring folks who don't ahdere to their beliefs or else this wouldn't be an issue in the first place.  Maybe the Church needs to look at all those folks who get birth control through their healthcare and figure out they are waaay behind the times.

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette

In Fact... (2.00 / 5)
The mandate is fairly mild, it already exempts on grounds of religious belief:


Under the conscience clause, it exempts churches and other houses of worship that primarily employ people who share the institution's view. The mandate applies to religious nonprofits such as universities and hospitals, which employ and serve people of different beliefs, but it gives them an extra one-year transition period to begin complying with the law.

The regulation is only for insurance carriers, not health providers. For instance, Catholic hospitals with religious objections to birth control do not have to provide it to their patients. They simply cannot deny their employees the same access, should they want it, as other employers are required to provide. Most insurance plans already cover birth control but many include copays that can be a deterrent.

Sahil Kapur - Putting The Growing Birth Control Firestorm In Perspective TPM 6 Feb 12

Republicans are just being jerks.  Again.


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Money Quote (2.00 / 3)
And it really is hard to believe they could be this stupid:


For years, liberals have been claiming that conservatives were ultimately targeting birth control, and conservatives always denied it. Marco Rubio has now all but announced that they are, in fact, targeting birth control.

Kay - Religious liberty expands to include all employers, and all women, and all contraceptive coverage Balloon Juice 9 Feb 12

So all this anti-choice fulminating in recent decades is just the tip of the spear?  What they really want, these small-government zealots, is to delegitimise any sexual activity not condoned by the Old Testament and impose their evangelical prurience on the entire population.  That's the "religious liberty" at stake here.  As John Cole said, "...every single one of you who got the vapors when Markos wrote a book called the American Taliban should be writing him an apology right about now."

As an insight into the conservative mind it is illuminating but as an election year strategy it is as suicidal as nominating Santorum.  Oh, wait...


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"Santorum" and "national leader" in the same sentence ... (2.00 / 5)
PublicPolicyPolling @ppppolls

We put a national poll in the field today and pretty clear your new leader is Rick Santorum.
Retweeted by Lis Smith

That sound you heard was the folks in the White House laughing their collective asses off.  I honestly don't know whether to laugh or cry.

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette


Ahhh... (2.00 / 3)
This is going to be rich.  What nobody realises yet is that Santorum doesn't actually want the job, or even the nomination.  You can read it in his body language, if you dare pay that much attention to him.  He's just been playing out some John the Baptist martyrdom passion play as part of his personal quest of faith.  He's never been a small-government conservative in principle, just an old fashioned Catholic who missed out on the seminary and a ministry so made politics his calling.

Outside of his inflexible certainty about everything to do with sexytime and ladyparts, with which he seems appropriately uncomfortable, I get the impression he lacks confidence about where this is all headed.  I'm betting he would have gladly packed it in by now if he didn't keep winning the darn elections.  This "greatness thrust upon him" shtick could get dangerous in a general election, methinks, at least until he offends everyone leading a normal, sane life with his prurient and intolerant prudishness.


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is that poll out? (2.00 / 1)


Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey
 


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Sheesh (2.00 / 5)
Lapsed Catholics are an unmerciful lot:


There were a couple of ways all of this could have been avoided. One, as Lawrence O'Donnell pointed out last night, would have been through a single-payer health-care system. The other would have been to toss a whole lot of bishops in jail for conspiracy to obstruct justice, enough of them so their power to influence the secular law was destroyed forever. They needed to be humbled, unmercifully, until the hubris was wrung out of every damn one of them.

Now, a woman working a low-income service industry job under the supervision of a Catholic boss will have her access to essential health-care truncated by a discredited encyclical to which no Catholic has paid any heed since the administration of Lyndon Johnson. These bastards needed to be broken, publicly, and into a thousand pieces that were scattered to the winds. Instead, they are "voices of conscience" again. It is to weep.

Charles P Pierce - The Clan of the Red Beanie Stalks the White House Esquire 8 Feb 12

Yet hauntingly poetic...


Oh for crying out loud (2.00 / 6)
I don't know what world Pierce is living in, but it isn't ours.

"...toss a whole lot of bishops in jail for conspiracy to obstruct justice, enough of them so their power to influence the secular law was destroyed forever."

Really?  +2 for bravado; -200 for absolute idiocy.  Pierce might be a lapsed Catholic, but he displays no understanding of Church history or sociology.  Any rightward leaning Bishop in this country is begging for this scenario...especially with what is happening in both the US Church and internationally.  How wonderful to have the chance to be a martyr, especially when there is zero chance that it would lead to death.  It would be the epitome of Flannery O'Connor's "comfortable crucifixion."  And there is no way that such a move would break the episcopacy's "power to influence secular law."  It would enhance it tenfold.  Plenty of American atheists and agnostics are fierce defenders of freedom of conscience, which is most visible and historically resonant when manifest as religious liberty.  Hell, I'd be disturbed by the sight of a bunch of bishops tossed in the clink because of a policy disagreement...me in all my emphatic jewiness.

Damn am I thrilled that Obama is 500,000 times too smart to pull an imbecilic maneuver like this.  This is not how we win.

The future is unwritten


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Oh... (2.00 / 4)
I agree.  Pierce is following in the Hunter S Thompson tradition of political journalism.  But I have to admit I read him with considerable enthusiasm daily.

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I've lived in 2 countries were everybody is "catholic" and stuff. (2.00 / 5)
Nobody really gives a shit about catholic leaders. Not even the Pope. So I've been very curious about all these organizations who claim to speak for such a large and diverse group. We (my generation) could not imagine a life without the pill and I was raised catholic (as almost all latinos are).  

Just because they are posting on a progressive site doesn't make them progressives. - John Allen

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Oh dude, don't get me wound up again. (2.00 / 5)
The vast majority of Catholics use birth control so the Church lost that argument a loooooong time ago.

And they can argue "religious freedom" all they want but it would seem to me that by hiring people who use birth control (or else this wouldn't be an issue) they've already ceded too much ground.

And as John Cole asked on Twitter: since the Church is trying to dictate policy when do we yank their tax-exempt status?

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette


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Well hunh (2.00 / 5)
The poll done by Republican polling firm Wenzel Strategies for World Net Daily found something similar to my own recent analysis of state polling data that the 2012 election is beginning to look like a replay of 2008. The Wenzel/WND poll turned up the surprising statistic that no matter who the Republican nominee is, one fifth of the Republican voters surveyed are leaning towards voting for President Obama.

http://www.politicususa.com/en... (I ain't linking to wnd)

I did wander over to the wnd article:

"What must be particularly alarming to every Republican campaign regarding this nasty fight is that, even among those who say they think the nation is heading in the wrong direction, Obama still wins at least 20 percent support in head-to-head match-ups against the four remaining Republicans, and among those who said they were unsure about the overall direction of the nation, Obama wins by overwhelming percentages," observes Wenzel.

I like how the pollster describes the match-up between the president and Dr. Paul who fares the best among the GOP in the head-to-head match-up (which someone needs to explain to me):

"This is likely a reflection of discontent over Obama's handling of the economy and, in particular, his outsized appetite for deficit spending," observed Wenzel. "Paul has far and away offered the clearest and most serious plan to cut federal spending, and it appears to be recognized by these survey respondents."

http://www.wnd.com/2012/02/20-...



"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette


Paul is crazy. (2.00 / 4)
But very few of us doubt he really believes what he campaigns on. The rest of the field is made up of manipulative pander bears. I guess what I'm saying is that honesty still counts for something, even in the GOP.  

Just because they are posting on a progressive site doesn't make them progressives. - John Allen

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Did You Check Out the Cross-Tabs? (2.00 / 4)
It really is a shocker for Republicans, I'm very surprised they published it at all.  As for Paul, he probably is the only remaining candidate in the nomination with a shred of integrity left who isn't somewhere to the Right of Grand Inquisitor Torquemada.

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authenticity (2.00 / 4)
paul is nuts, but he lays it all out there (mostly).  authenticity is the one thing romney can't buy.  

Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey
 


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Give or Take... (2.00 / 3)
A white supremacist or two.  And they're all nuts.  Honestly, this whole nomination defies analysis and reads, so far, like one of Newt's alternative Confederate histories in the 21st century.

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I'm sure the geeks among us can quote a precedent (2.00 / 2)
of a battle for a nomination that everyone knows is not going to result in an elected president at the end. This can't be the first time this has happened.

Nobody with serious creds really wants to run, folks do it for various purposes (crazy, crafty...). Circus ensues.

Whaddaya say, Historian Mooses? Does the past hold similar sideshows?

John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."


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Ford vs Reagan (2.00 / 3)
In 1976 was the last time a nominee wasn't determined going into the convention and it could be argued that neither Ford nor Reagan could lead the deeply divided party.  And the Democratic convention of 1920 was a hopeless affair, although it did cough up FDR as the vice presidential half of the ticket.

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Squirrel! (2.00 / 5)
Did Obama just pull a fast one?:


With the fig leaf of religious liberty removed, Republicans are in a bad situation. They can either drop this and slink away knowing they've been punked, or they can double down. But in order to do so, they'll have to be more blatantly anti-contraception, a politically toxic move in a country where 99% of women have used contraception.

My guess is that they'll take their knocks and go home, but a lot of the damage has already been done. Romney was provoked repeatedly to go on the record saying negative things about contraception. Sure, it was in the frame of concern about religious liberty, but as this incident fades into memory, what most people will remember is that Republicans picked a fight with Obama over contraception coverage and lost.

Amanda Marcotte - Obama Punks the GOP on Contraception Slate 10 Feb 12

Meep, meep.


sure looks it. (2.00 / 4)


Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey
 


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That's a company inside joke around here... (2.00 / 2)
Squirrel!

We're all big Up fans, and "Squirrel!" gets called all the time in meetings. Crafty smart folks all together working on crazy projects are as inclined towards digression as Mittens is towards finding tax loopholes. I'll call Squirrel! on myself or any of the rest of us in a heartbeat ("Squirrel! That's really fascinating, but what we were focusing on was...").

I've already promised to make Squirrel! company T-shirts. :~)

And yes, the Dems have played this fiddle well.



John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."


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Roy Blount has introduced legislation that would (2.00 / 5)
employers and insurance companies to deny coverage on moral grounds so some in the GOP are doubling-down.  Lord, I hope this comes up for a vote.  Please, please, please.

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette

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oops, missing the verb "allow" in first sentence. (2.00 / 4)


"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette

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They Are Going With It (2.00 / 2)
Explain to me how the "religious liberty" of employers trumps that of their employees.  Is this meant to be the Ancien Regime of the 21st century?

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Devil's advocate mode (2.00 / 2)
No one is infringing on the rights of the employees. They can still buy birth control. They would just have to use their own money to do so.

This is not a recession. It's a robbery.

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Well... (2.00 / 2)
The same could be said to apply, then, to HIV treatment?  If you think the Bible proscribes homosexuality?

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And this is exactly what the Blount bill would do. (2.00 / 3)


This is not a recession. It's a robbery.

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Yeah... (2.00 / 2)
Well, that sucks.  And this from the same crowd having a little hyperbolic tantrum over Sharia law for the last two years.  Honestly, it is the Idiots' Crusade; they'll be having a great dust-up over circumcision next.

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And it isn't just birth control (2.00 / 4)
It is any preventive measure that could be deemed immoral.  That covers a whole host of things.  And McConnell wants this to come up for a vote.  Is the GOP this clueless or do they really see this as a winning issue?

Planned Parenthood is paying attention.  They have a new website "wearewatching" to track the GOP on this.  I haven't been there yet; read about it on ... twitter.  :)  

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette


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I Don't Understand... (2.00 / 2)
How they think they can win this.  Are we missing something?

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Don't forget (2.00 / 2)
They live in their own reality.  As their stunned surprise and confused retreat in the Komen fiasco revealed.  They really do think, a lot of them anyway, that everybody believes the way they do -- everybody worth paying attention to, everyone who matters.

If it were done when 'tis done, then 'twere well it were done subjunctively.

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True (2.00 / 2)
But is there a chance that legislative Republicans would rather lose the presidential election with a medieval theologian who invigorates turnout than with a bumbling Mormon who depresses it?  Surely you would assume the Romney campaign would prefer not to get too deep into the "religious liberty" argument.

On the other hand, it could just be an acknowledgement that their bet on a tanked economy is going sour and they realise that they were caught last year with their thumb on the scale.


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But Komen should have taught the GOP that this is a losing proposition (2.00 / 4)
for them.  If they had started this fight sans Komen they might have had a chance on the messaging.  But post-Komen (hell, immediately after Komen) when women are already pissed off?!  It doesn't make sense for any sane ... oh wait ... no seriously it just doesn't make sense.

And then as Shaun points out they are going to tie these  two presidential candidates to the notion for religious liberty?  I'm left shaking my head.

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette


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I'm loving this. (2.00 / 4)
At least, from a political perspective. All of their candidates, including Romney, have already come out in favor of personhood amendments. We can use this dustup to draw attention to that.

This is not a recession. It's a robbery.

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Sigh (2.00 / 3)
No women permitted to testify at hearing on contraception:


Ranking committee member Elijah Cummings (D-MD) had asked Issa to include a female witness at the hearing, but the Chairman refused, arguing that "As the hearing is not about reproductive rights and contraception but instead about the Administration's actions as they relate to freedom of religion and conscience, he believes that Ms. Fluke is not an appropriate witness."

Igor Volsky - Democratic Women Boycott House Contraception Hearing After Republicans Prevent Women From Testifying ThinkProgress 16 Feb 12

Quelle surprise!  As Booman points out the optics of this are pretty terrible.  Are Republicans really this tone deaf?  I guess so.


And the Komen disaster (2.00 / 3)
If anyone in that collection of fossilized retrogrades had a lick of common sense and PR smarts they'd at least have trotted in some suitably religious women who'd parrot the party line about the evils of contraception -- er, I mean, the horrors of trampling on their religious freedom to force those sluts to carry those adoptable babies to term -- I mean, to worship their merciful and loving God as that God intended.

If it were done when 'tis done, then 'twere well it were done subjunctively.

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Double Fierce! (2.00 / 3)
On the theory that anything worth saying is worth repeating:

If anyone in that collection of fossilized retrogrades had a lick of common sense and PR smarts they'd at least have trotted in some suitably religious women who'd parrot the party line about the evils of contraception -- er, I mean, the horrors of trampling on their religious freedom to force those sluts to carry those adoptable babies to term -- I mean, to worship their merciful and loving God as that God intended.

Epic!

John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."


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Yeah... (2.00 / 3)

...at least have trotted in some suitably religious women who'd parrot the party line about the evils of contraception -- er, I mean, the horrors of trampling on their religious freedom...

Apparently that's exactly what they did in the second session after the storm broke.


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Of course (2.00 / 2)
By then the PR damage had been done.

It appears we are, at least in part, becoming fortunate in our enemies.

If it were done when 'tis done, then 'twere well it were done subjunctively.


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