Mark Levin Offers Glimpse Inside GOP Nutshell - Open Thread

by: Strummerson

Tue Feb 28, 2012 at 05:07:54 AM EST

My problem is: The takers. The takers. Maybe they should take less. Why do we create more and more programs for the takers? Why are they the constant subject of our existence? Why are they the constant priority of our economy? The takers. They're never asked to give back anything.


So what we need to do, ladies and gentlemen, is generate more revenues. How do we do it? We steal it. That's how, we just take it from the rich. And who are the rich? Millionaires and billionaires who aren't millionaires and billionaires. Small businesses, mostly. We just take it.


The poor are selfish and the government mugs innocent givers, presumably, on their behalf.  That's right.  The American people steal from contributors to feed the selfish parasites who only care about themselves.  And we do so obsessively.  If we would just forget about the needy and ignore them...

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well, yeah (2.00 / 6)
that belief is pretty much at the root of their ideology. that dipshit just lays it bare. this helps:

A  new study published in the Proceedings of that National Academy of Sciences found that wealthier people  were more apt to behave  unethically than those who had less money.

Scientists at  the University of California at Berkeley analyzed a person's rank in society (measured by wealth, occupational prestige and education) and found that those who were richer were more likely to cheat, lie and break the law than those who were poorer.

"We found that it is much more prevalent for people in the higher ranks of society to see  greed and self-interest ... as  good pursuits," said Paul Piff, lead author of the study and a doctoral candidate at Berkeley. "This resonates with a lot of current events these days."

additionally, the GOP has long been successful in getting a wide swath of the have-less to blame the have-nots, because you know, if it weren't for them the have-less would surely have-more. our politics are just a symptom of our american cultural sickness.  

Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey

It's also an attitude that unnecessarily cripples our public sphere (2.00 / 5)
It would be much better to have two parties arguing about the best way to order society as a whole.  That goal entails questions of how to deal with poverty, how to distribute resources in the most productive and ethical and sustainable manner, and how to see opportunity as a resource that must be distributed.  Conservative emphases on personal responsibility, on the devolution of civic authority, and the role of social and economic competition might be pressed into this debate.  I'm actually interested in conservative arguments for how to address poverty and increase equality of opportunity.  Responding to them will sharpen our own policy principles, and even change them.  There are conservative thinkers who are interested in this.  We know who they are.  But they are ever more marginalized within the party.  They are derided as "intellectual conservatives," a term recently applied to David Frum by Bill O'Reilly (who still insists he's not a conservative).  Instead, Paul Ryan's plan is more responsive to the "screw the takers" perspective that Levin produces here.  It's neither creative in applying conservative principles to social problems, nor responsive to economic and sociological data regarding poverty.  And we, by which I mean us on the left, are impoverished by this.

The future is unwritten

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dead. solid. perfect. (2.00 / 3)

Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey

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Did You See? (2.00 / 3)
Obama's UAW address?  I posted a bit of it in the primary open thread.  It hits these points.

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read a bit about it, but haven't watched it (2.00 / 3)
sounded like a barn burner. my pops called me this AM with an excited rundown.

Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey

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also (2.00 / 5)
look out your window, strummy!  who's gonna win MI today?  i'm going crazy with anticipation out here on the left coast. where's gandalf? what's the vibe?

feed me seymour(s)!

any thoughts on AZ? it's based on exactly nothing, but something is making me feel like it's going to be closer there than current polling is indicating.

Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey

I'm in office at MSU (2.00 / 4)
and three "liberal professors" in the English dept. that I've spoken with are planning to vote for Santorum today.  I think it's great.  But I don't have the stomach for it.  Instead I'm preparing a short response to Santorum's comments about the academy to open both of my classes.

The future is unwritten

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figures, you firggin' ivory tower elitist snob. (2.00 / 6)
lulz. that's a great idea actually.  i'm truly dying to sit in on your classes. what an odd batch the GOP is running, no?  i mean, we've all talked about this over and over, but wow, these guys are off the charts.  srsly, who are they talking to?

As Michigan voters head to the polls in a primary that could alter the contours of the Republican presidential race, Mitt Romney on Tuesday acknowledged that he personally had made "mistakes" and said he was not willing to "light my hair on fire" to win over conservative voters who have been hostile to his candidacy.

A) That's bullshit. Romney has demonstrated that he'll do ar say anything to get elected.

B) I'm 99% sure his hair wouldn't burn anyway. Maybe crack, or spall, but no definitely no burning.  

Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey

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I believe that the stuff people with hair put in their hair is combustable. (2.00 / 6)
Not that I've had any personal experience in the last couple of decades.
 Past that if bullshit was flamable, Mit could become a torch.
If you have never lived in Michigan or surrounding states, maybe you could be against the auto bail-out. But if youve grown up here......fuck you Mitt. Santorum and Paul come by their cruelty naturaly, but Mit....

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are you in MI? (2.00 / 6)
heh.  I'm feeling it.

per the burning, my training led me to think of mitt's head as non-flammable.

a greater amount of cracking and spalling suggests a relatively longer heating period.

mittens is a blockhead.  lulz.

Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey

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Mitt doesn't need to set his hair on fire. (2.00 / 5)
He just needs to find a position and stick to it and to find a way not to say stupid shit.  Likely though he can do neither.

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette

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to your point: (2.00 / 3)

Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey

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So, you're on the side of "the takers"? n/t (2.00 / 2)

The future is unwritten

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just to clarify (2.00 / 5)
...preparing a short response to Santorum's comments

that's the great idea. dems voting for santorum -- nah, i'm with you there.  i don't think i could manage that, even in my most ratfucking of moods.

Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey

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Polling that came out last night has MI almost a virtual tie. (2.00 / 7)
Although Romney was way ahead in early voting it seems momentum had swung back to Santorum a bit.  AZ appears to be a lock for Romney.  Some of Santorum's support comes from Dems so it might depend on how many do crossover.  There appears to be some chance that Santorum loses popular vote but ends up with more delegates although Mr. Silver seemed to pooh-pooh that actually happening.

Fwiw, Romney is only up by 7 here in VT based on local poll.  Somehow I thought my fellow Vermonters were smarter than that.

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette

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never underestimate the power of 'teh stoopid' (2.00 / 5)

Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey

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Ratfucking sounds kinky. (2.00 / 5)
I'm in! What do I have to cover myself in?

I hear rodents looove peanutbutter.

At first I thought Operation Hilarity was kind of meh. But seeing how close things are and how much damage this primary has done to the GOP I'm in. Extending this primary out is win/win for the D team. I'm all about winning although I understand those who might be disgusted with my attitude. If I lived down (up?) in Michigan I'd be voting for Santorum and sitting in front of the tube to see the fireworks.  

Just because they are posting on a progressive site doesn't make them progressives. - John Allen

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I hear rodents looove peanutbutter. (2.00 / 3)
...but they hate cinnamon.

Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey

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Peanut Butter... (2.00 / 2)
Or pumpkin seeds, lightly roasted and salted.  Gets 'em every time.

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This is just too much fun. (2.00 / 4)
I wish I had time to parse this. Maybe later.

John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."

After being shown that his arguments are exactly the same as anti-black military argumnents: (2.00 / 5)
General Eugene householder used the exact same argument to oppose racial integration in the military. His argument at the time, as the host here points out, translates exactly to this statement:

"Racists should not have to put aside their racism to serve with non-white Americans willing to volunteer to defend their country."

Now, Mr. Santorum argues the same point.

"...the sheer fact that someone is a homosexual, are you saying... I mean, they folks are all volunteers. They are all defending our country, sir."

"That's exactly the point, Chris, they are all volunteers and they don't have to join in a place where they don't feel comfortable serving with people, with, with people, because of that issue."

Santorum is explicitly saying, not that gays should not serve in the military, but that homophobes should not have to restrain their hatred for them:

"Homophobes should not have to put aside their homophobia to serve with gay Americans willing to volunteer to defend their country."

John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."

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Wanker (2.00 / 5)

John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."

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Now this is one (or two) smarter people... (2.00 / 5)

John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."

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I might sort of love her... n/t (2.00 / 2)

The future is unwritten

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Just words ... but wow! (2.00 / 7)

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette

Not Just Words... (2.00 / 4)
Those are the building blocks of a landslide constituency of reasonable people.

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SOOOO Arrogant!!! (2.00 / 5)
Who does this guy think he is, President of the United States?

More of this please.  Much much much more of this.

The future is unwritten

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Passages (2.00 / 3)
David Brooks, erudite apologist for all things Republican, goes all Godwin on the Tea Party:

Leaders of a party are supposed to educate the party, to police against its worst indulgences, to guard against insular information loops. They're supposed to define a creed and establish boundaries. Republican leaders haven't done that. Now the old pious cliche applies:

First they went after the Rockefeller Republicans, but I was not a Rockefeller Republican. Then they went after the compassionate conservatives, but I was not a compassionate conservative. Then they went after the mainstream conservatives, and there was no one left to speak for me.

David Brooks - The Possum Republicans NYT 28 Feb 12

Ha ha ha, hee hee hee, ho ho ho...  When I can pick myself up off the floor from laughing so much dare I say that the "change" we were promised in 2008 is perhaps manifesting?  Just got to be patient, see?  

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TRANS--FORM--A--TIVE (2.00 / 3)

Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey

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Hey... (2.00 / 3)
That's the Man from U.N.C.L.E. gun; I had one of those.

Just a teaser from a persuasive, if premature, obituary for the GOP:

If the terms of the fight grow more unfavorable with every passing year, well, all the more reason to have the fight sooner. This was the thought process of the antebellum southern states, sizing up the growing population and industrial might of the North. It was the thinking of the leaders of Austria-Hungary, watching their empire deteriorate and deciding they needed a decisive war with Serbia to save themselves.

Jonathan Chait - 2012 or Never 26 Feb 12

Yeah, I'm with him there.  We've just got to hold the line and stay away from falling rubble.

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Wow! (2.00 / 4)
Olympia Snowe is retiring.  Huh.

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette

And in other news.... (2.00 / 5)
I was reading the comments on the story about Franklin Graham tepidly half-assedly ("I regret any comments I have ever made which may have cast any doubt on the personal faith of our president, Mr. Obama.") walking back his nasty insinuations about President Obama's religious beliefs:

In a television interview last week that provoked huge media attention, Graham appeared to question the sincerity of Obama's Christian commitment.

"You have to ask him," Graham said, pondering whether Obama is Christian. "I cannot ask [sic; answer?] that question for anybody."

In the  February 21 interview on MSNBC, Graham repeated earlier statements about Obama's ties to Islam, while denying that the president is a Muslim.

"Under Islamic law - Sharia law - Islam sees him as a son of Islam," Graham said. "Because his father was a Muslim, his grandfather was a Muslim. ... That's just the way it works."

and came across this thoughtful exegesis:


Mr. Graham,

Your apology is not accepted by me. It is too equivocal and tepid for a man of God. It gives you too much room to appeal to your base of followers who need demons to promote their "faith".

Let's make this perfectly clear:

1. You claim to be a follower of Jesus' teaching.

2. Jesus spent all of his ministry teaching you to treat your neighbor in the same way that you would want to be treated; invited you to take notice of the plank in your eye, not to cast the first stione, to turn the other cheek.

3. Jesus invited you to be "born again". That is, he made it clear that human beings have two natures, a primitive impulsive instinctive nature and a higher reasoning nature. It is the higher reasoning nature that he asked you to utilize, not your primitive impulsive nature: again, turning the other cheek, etc, all of which requires the use of your higher reasoning abilities.

4. You, and most so called followers of Jesus' teachings, continue to act impulsively with your primitive animal nature. You never stop to think about the plank in your own eye.

5. You act out of your primitive nature because it allows you to easily capture "souls" and money for your ministries and provides you with the "narcissistc supply" which you emtotionally need to comfort your primitive animal ego.

6. You understand very well that your followers will not, because they are not "born again", follow you if you try to engage them in the higher reasoning which Jesus invited you to utilize. Jesus, himself, was so very concerned about the "flocks" ability to reason that he resorted to the use of metaphors in hopes that they might understand. They have not. You have not.

7. Your followers utilize only their primnitive animal natures. They live every day of their lives in fear, in poverty, have only been taught that if the "just believe" they will go to heaven and be with Jesus - a deliberate distraction away from Jesus' real teachings. They are more easiliy led if they focus on this fear of going to hell.

8. You like Mr. Romney and Mr. Hitler (I do not believe you are a Hitler only pointing out that the most imfamous dictators understood the primitive natures and how to take advantage) fully understand that you will succeed in capturing converts only if you appeal to their primitive fears.

9. You need to take a hard look at yourself, maybe consult a psychologist to help you understand what moves you. Maybe then you will come closer to being "born again". (I make no judgment - I only point to the evidence) I have seen you resort to your primitive animal nature too many times to believe that you have ever fully understood Jesus' teachings.
February 29, 2012 at 11:35 am | Report abuse | Reply

If it were done when 'tis done, then 'twere well it were done subjunctively.

What moves Franklin is money and power. (2.00 / 4)
He's just like any televangelist.  Seems to me his father would be deeply ashamed.

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette

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ot: neither here nor there (2.00 / 3)
so says some paultroon knucklehead I went to HS with:

Our precinct was only 10 people all of whom were Romney supporters, we were allowed two delegates, they actually voted for my husband to be a delegate even though we support Ron Paul!!!! They didn't understand- their loss, Paul gains!!!!

She live's in WA now.  lulz

Tampa here we come!  The GOP convention could be 'interesting'.

Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey


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