GOP Arizona and Michigan Primaries: Open Thread

by: Shaun Appleby

Tue Feb 28, 2012 at 17:49:04 PM EST



It seems the Republican circus has now gotten to the trapeze act with no net.  Recent polling for Arizona and Michigan suggests both are statistical ties with Michigan poised to be an all-night cliffhanger.  Romney faces a potentially disastrous defeat and Santorum, well, any momentum he wins or loses is unlikely to change his clear intention to wage electoral jihad.  

And they are both clearly doing themselves no favours:


Both Willard Romney and Rick Santorum - and have I mentioned recently what a colossal dick the latter is? - ought to thank their personal deities that they're not racehorses. Because, if they were, and given the way they're both limping towards the finish line in Michigan and Arizona today, we'd already have the screen up, the syringe at the ready, and the veterinary ambulance discreetly parked off to one side.

Charles P Pierce - The Michigan Primary and the GOP's Bloody Uprising Esquire 28 Feb 12

At this point it is hard to imagine how a win or loss for either changes the fundamentals of an increasingly toxic and historically damaging nomination for the GOP.  Pass the popcorn, please, and make it the good stuff.

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strap in, folks (2.00 / 5)
we're in for a longish night, I suspect.

Republican voters in Michigan and Arizona say the most important quality they're looking for in a presidential nominee is the ability to beat President Obama, according to CBS News early exit polling.

Michigan and Arizona Republicans are voting today in what has come down to a fierce battle between the establishment candidate, Mitt Romney, and the social conservative, Rick Santorum.

In spite of the major differences between the two frontrunners and the volatile nature of the primary race so far, voters' priorities have remained consistent -- in every contest so far with entrance or exit polls, the most important candidate quality for voters is the ability to beat Mr. Obama.

In Arizona, where Romney has led in the polls, 38 percent of voters said electability was the candidate quality that matters most. Twenty percent said strong character was the most important, while 22 percent said the having the right experience, and 16 percent said being a true conservative.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-50...

CW would suggest this all favors mittens, but I'm not comfortable applying 'wisdom' to anything the GOP gets up to this cycle.

The concerns about electability strike me as ironic -- I've never thought either Ronmey, or Santorum, or Newton, of Paul were ever electable -- on their best days.

Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey
 


Santorum... (2.00 / 4)
Has consistently overperformed polling; so he's in the hunt.  On the other hand he hasn't previously given the public quite as much of a glimpse of how unattractive a theological nutcase he really is either.  It will be interesting.  Popcorn.

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also, the snowe is melting in maine (2.00 / 4)
any good D's up yonder with a credible shot at the open(ing) seat?

Maine Sen. Olympia Snowe announced she would not seek a fourth term because she is tired of the polarization and partisanship that has permeated Washington in recent years.

http://content.usatoday.com/co...

Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey
 


hmmm (2.00 / 3)
Rep. Chellie Pingree, Democrat in the First District, praised Sen. Olympia Snowe's "independence and dedication to Maine" while saying she will evaluate in the coming days whether to run for the seat.

http://www.kjonline.com/news/S...

votes w/ party 93%

http://www.opencongress.org/pe...

Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey
 


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Michigan (2.00 / 3)
Polls close at 8PM EST.  Am checking for online results links now...

ratfucking may factor in... (2.00 / 4)
Dearborn Heights, Michigan (CNN) - A longtime liberal radio host asking Democratic listeners to vote for Rick Santorum in Michigan's Republican primary told CNN Tuesday he loves making mischief.

After spending nearly all of his three hour program encouraging Democrats to get out and vote for Santorum Tuesday, Tony Trupiano made no apologies for his behavior.

[snip]

It turns out many Democrats in this state don't need a lot of convincing to engage in this kind of strategic voting.

At a polling station in Dearborn Heights, Crystal Larson said her vote for Santorum made her "feel like I made a deal with the devil."

"Voting for Santorum goes against everything I believe in and everything I've ever stood for in my life and to vote for him takes a lot of guts I think," Larson said.

[snip]

Democratic stagiest Joe DiSano has been on an active campaign to get Democrats out for Santorum in effort to hurt Romney. He recorded a robo call and has sent tens of thousands of e-mails to Democratic voters encouraging them to go to the polls.

http://politicalticker.blogs.c...

Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey
 


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Gotta Laugh... (2.00 / 3)
Or something:


According to a Michigan Republican State Committee (MRSC) member, Romney backers in statewide Republican leadership roles, including the governor and attorney general, pushed for an open Michigan primary. These open primary rules allow voters to vote in either party's primary without declaring any party affiliation.

Kurt Rand - Surprise! It Was Romney Backers that Pushed for Open Primary in Michigan Rebel Pundit 28 Feb 12

Having trouble with the keyboard with all this popcorn and salt all over my fingers.


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it's hilarious (2.00 / 2)
i'm especially enjoying romney's poutrage over santorum's open attempts to court 'reagan dems'. it's not like MI republicans would dick around with crossover antics, AMIRITE?!? Like say, when MI GOP crossovers delivered a  stunning victory to wallace back in '72...

...or for jackson in '88.

/irony burn

Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey
 


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Think Progress says the expected percentage of crossover (2.00 / 3)
voting isn't as high as it has been in the past.  I think we're looking at about 17%.

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette

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Yeah... (2.00 / 1)
Expecting the counting to be a bit weird at first though, all those early ballots apparently favour Romney.

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Ooops (2.00 / 2)
Parts of Michigan in CST zone won't close until an hour later.

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AZ (2.00 / 2)
closes 9 eastern, 6 pacific (i think)

Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey
 


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AZ and MI Links... (2.00 / 2)
Courtesy of Daily Kos: Results: CNN (AZ, MI)

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Ouch! (2.00 / 5)
WARREN, Mich. | If you want a sense of the challenges Mitt Romney and the GOP have in Michigan, you could learn a lot from standing on the corner of Mound and East 9 Mile roads here in suburban Detroit.

snip

This is auto industry country, and the people who work in the Chrysler plant or the General Motors plant across the street are not pleased that all of the Republican candidates for president opposed the federal auto bailout that saved their jobs.

snip

Scott Kanas works at the Chrysler truck plant. He said he voted for Sen. John McCain in 2008 because "I knew Obama was going to be like this," which is too liberal for him. But he sees nothing to like in the Republican field.

"Look who they are giving us now. What do they think, we're stupid?" Kanas said. His anger is trained especially at Romney, who grew up in Michigan and whose father was head of American Motors. "Now he's Michigan's son, before he told us to kiss his ass. He has no loyalty. His loyalty is to the almighty buck." http://www.pbs.org/newshour/ru...  

The whole thing is brutal.  And, fwiw, Mr. Kanas will likely not vote at all (he says now) unless another candidate emerges.

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette


Interestingly... (2.00 / 6)
The narrative now is more Gotterdammerung than horse-race.  Irrespective of the results the death-watch on the GOP primary has become, at least for now, the dominant theme for pundits on both sides of the political spectrum.  Sheesh.

I have been trying to imagine how the GOP could have actually made things worse for themselves and am drawing a blank.


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Sense a lot of desparation, (2.00 / 6)
Is it wrong to enjoy it at least a little?  (While still recognizing that a functional second party is a good thing.)

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette

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Heh (2.00 / 4)
Wrong?  I haven't enjoyed myself so much for years.

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sure (2.00 / 4)
...a functional second party is a good thing.

that will happen, but they've prolly got to hit bottom first.

Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey
 


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Why can't I post quoted tweets?!? (2.00 / 2)
:(

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette

Dunno (2.00 / 2)
You mean with a " character in them?  Or block quotes?

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Huh (2.00 / 1)
I tried it with blockquotes and "" and with nothing around it.  Won't show up.


"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette

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I've Noticed... (2.00 / 3)
Things sometimes disappear if they contain various accented characters sometimes.  You can email it to me if you want and I'll have a look.

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Thanks but it was just a "concern tweet" by Ari Fleisher. :) (2.00 / 2)


"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette

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This One? (2.00 / 2)

Turnout in 2008 in MI was 868,818. I suspect tonight will be less than that - and that's not a good sign for my team.  @AriFleischer



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open thread comment (2.00 / 2)
if i wasn't already married to the best gal evah, i'd probably stalk tamron hall.

Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey
 


1% In... (2.00 / 2)
Santorum takes an early lead.  Where are the absentee ballots?  Santorum 41% to Romney 37%.

damn, you beat me! (2.00 / 2)


Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey
 


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distracted by 30 secs /tamron hall (2.00 / 2)


Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey
 


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Got to Be Quick... (2.00 / 2)
Heh.  And I'm eating popcorn.  Slippery fingers.

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1% in for MI (2.00 / 1)
santorum leads with 48%...

Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey
 


Yikes (2.00 / 2)
Early, to be sure, but county results have Santorum neck-to-neck with Romney in Detroit.  Hmmm...

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at this moment (2.00 / 1)
msnbc has it 41 santorum, 38 romney...

Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey
 


3% In... (2.00 / 2)
And a 4% lead for Santorum.  Uh-oh...

CNN... (2.00 / 2)
Saying both campaigns and S'PACs spent over $1M each just over the weekend.  Crikey.

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holy shit. (2.00 / 2)


Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey
 


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some polls in MI (2.00 / 2)
are still open for another half hour or so.  yeah, long night.

Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey
 


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We must be watching different returns. :) (2.00 / 2)


"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette

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I'm Watching CNN... (2.00 / 1)
And their website.  Michigan SoS site seemed broken.

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Ah. (2.00 / 2)
I'm at google politics.

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette

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3% in and we're about tied. (2.00 / 1)


"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette

Closing Up Now... (2.00 / 1)
5% in, just 1% between them.

9% In (2.00 / 1)
Meter unchanged Santorum 40% and Romney 39%.  This looks close and reporting precincts are fairly representative of the state.

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Tough Choice... (2.00 / 2)
Listening to Ron Paul or hanging out the laundry.  Back in a minute.

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... (2.00 / 2)
Per Mark Knoller at CBS (via Twitter which I cannot quote):

"Pres. Obama waives requirements of Natl Defense Authorization Acto to always place suspected terrorists in military custody."

Sounds like a good thing to me.

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette


12% In... (2.00 / 1)
And Santorum is opening up a 4% lead.  Ooops, back to 1% split.

Results... (2.00 / 1)
Coming in fast.  I have to go hang out the wash.

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Now... (2.00 / 2)
Dead even at 40% in Michigan.  Arizona now called for Romney by CNN.

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And Not By a Little... (2.00 / 2)
44% Romney to 27% Santorum in AZ.

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ouch -- damn (2.00 / 3)
so much for my gut on AZ.  my grandfather always said,

never trust your gut -- it's full of shit.  always use your head.

grandpa: 23,587
fogiv: 3

sad sigh.  i miss him.

Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey
 


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Heh... (2.00 / 3)
"Wish in one hand and poop in the other and see which one fills up first" is how I remember it.  And apparently Romney gets all the Arizona delegates.

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hold the phone (2.00 / 1)
i read somewheres today (can't recall) that the AZ delegates could actually be challenged later because AZ broke the rules by moving their primary date (and switching to 'winner takes all'.

Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey
 


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Forget these boring primary results (2.00 / 7)
between Savonarola and an insecure Gordon Gekko.

Tell us about grandpa.

Where was he from?

What did he do?

What kind of music did he love?

The future is unwritten


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asdf (2.00 / 6)
1910: born in a ranch house along the banks of parker creek in northeastern cali.  when I asked him about the great depression, he said:

those were hard times. i hate corn flakes now.  the only food we ever paid for then was corn flakes.  we raised and hunted the rest.

he was the first to go to college (UC Berkely), and served as a flight instructor (and later bombardier) in the army air corps in the 2nd ww. became a lawyer, and served for many years as a county labor commissioner in the sf bay area. his parents were devout irish catholics (I remember nana's rosary clearly), but he was very quietly catholic, and largely non-practicing -- a 'major holidays only' type.

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he was an excellent horseman, an avid gardner, a crack shot with a rifle, and an absolute master of the fly rod.  i would spend long, late afternoons with him out in the back pasture, practicing dropping a fly into a tire that seemed like it was a mile away.  it might as well have been -- he was that good.

he gave me my own long-necked teaspoon to stir sugar into the sun tea he'd make every other day in the summer months.

he tought me how to take pictures.  i learned the 'rule of thirds' from him (and when to break that rule).  i think of it every time i pick up a camera.

he was kind, and gentle, and funny.

he gave me my first taste of thelonious monk and john coltrane, describing the latter as the 'most natural magic in the world'.

he was aware of all jfk's flaws, and still considered him a demigod.

we used to watch star trek reruns (the originals), and i remember him saying that the show represented the future -- not so much the spaceships and tricorders, but the mix of people on the ship.  all kinds of different people working together.  that's stuck with me.  (and i'll be damned if my phone isn't a tricorder).

he loved my grandmother without condition or reservation.  he never seemed old to me (though he was in his 70s) until she fell ill.  his work was never done, you know?  he was always working.  fixing the irrigation pumps, mending fences, clearing ditches, cleaning out the barn i helped him build from split pine we had harvested ourselves. he took care of my grandma until the very end.

after she had passed, he told me he thought he'd about 'run his course'.  shortly after, he was overcome with cancer -- it was rapid, and agressive, and then he was gone, after 77 glorious years.

he regretted never having gone fishing in alaska.  my dad and I have vowed to make a trip there soon.  we think he'd appreciate the gesture.

he never said 'goodbye' at the end of a telephone conversation.  he always said "right" in sort of an elongated, happy way.  there were never goodbyes. riiiiight... just meant 'until later'. i said the same aloud, to no one in particular, when i drove away after his graveside service.  

Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey
 


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Wow (2.00 / 5)
Enjoy Alaska.  What USAAC unit was he in and when?  I'll look up the history if you like.

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i'm not sure (2.00 / 2)
i know he piloted a beech at-11, and i think later was bombardier in a b-25.  he was mostly at deming army air field (as an instructor), so that would have been sometime between november 1942 and september 1946.  he had a mug (and a bunch of stuff) with an insignia (for his unit, I presume) that i remember sort of like a tiger throwing lightning bolts or something.  i do remember another patch he showed me, depicting the witch from disney's 'snow white' with a basket of bombs...but I'm not sure if it was his originally or not, or even what that means.

sadly, all the records and stuff were stolenlost (to me) in a post-death family squabble, and much else to a fire a few years ago.

Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey
 


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Found a Bit on Deming... (2.00 / 3)
Including the witch patch:

Feature web site on Deming Army Air Field gives a lot of pictures from a yearbook style book about the DAAF published in 1943 by the Army And Navy Publishing Company.  Also some really good pictures of the AT-11s used there both on the ground and in flight.

Also found a site which has a brief historical synopsis of DAAF and a link to a page from the USAAC history of the training school.

I checked the B-25 bombardment groups from late in the war and cross-referenced with your description of the tiger insignia with a fairly comprehensive website of all squadron patches here and here and drew a blank, sadly.  It may be worth browsing those last two links of insignia to see if anything looks familiar.

The B-25 deployments were winding down late in the war and the A-26 and B-29 units were absorbing aircrew for tactical and strategic units.  Some B-25s were being used for advanced aircrew training and support around then.  The tiger suggests a Pacific unit so I checked some of the other bombardment groups in the 5th, 7th, 10th, 13th and 15th air forces and still didn't find anything fitting your description of that elusive "tiger throwing lightning bolts."  The closest I can find is a fighter squadron from the 14th Air Force which seems unlikely.


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Is Seems... (2.00 / 3)
That Deming trained mostly B-29 bombardiers so it might be worth pursuing those units reformed late in the war, like the 316th Bombardment Wing (Very Heavy) squadrons, for the expected campaign against Japan with the same equipment.

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This is all awesome, Shaun (2.00 / 3)
I'll keep poking at it. Maybe I'm just not remembering the 'tiger' insignia correctly at all? I'll check with my Dad and Bro tonight.

Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey
 


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Sure... (2.00 / 3)
All good fun and must my little way of trying to help honour the memory of your grandfather.  I forgot to mention that the witch patch fits perfectly, it is the insignia of the AAF Bombardier School, Deming, NM and was also apparently designed by Walt Disney Studios for the unit to help with the war effort.  This is one of the AT-11s from Deming in 1943-44.

There are also still apparently a few of the original buildings of the Deming Army Air Field still standing, including what might be one of the vaults they used for the Norden bombsights, one of the most highly classified gadgets of the war and under twenty-four hour guard when not actually flying.  Your grandfather would have probably been quite on expert with these, in many ways a forerunner of modern computers.


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There's the Fying Tigers... (2.00 / 3)


John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."

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Yeah... (2.00 / 2)
That's the one I mentioned upthread, 74th Fighter Squadron, 23rd Fighter Group, 14th AF.  Unlikely posting for a bombardier, though it seemed.

Pretty amazing if it was, though, one of the crack units of the war with a history of fighting in the CBI theatre, as AVG 1st Fighter Squadron, from pre-Pearl Harbor.  I would be gob-smacked if Fogiv's grandfather ended up in that unit.


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I'm 99.9% sure he wasn't a flying tiger. (2.00 / 2)


Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey
 


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There's a great tattoo right there for Fog (2.00 / 3)
The logo is definitely worth reproducing on human flesh. Now where to put it?

Happy?

The p***artist formerly known as 'Brit'


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Crikey (2.00 / 3)
Just above the bomb-bay door?

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You went there.... I didn't :-O (2.00 / 3)


The p***artist formerly known as 'Brit'

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Uh-huh... (2.00 / 3)
Always eager to don the stockings and step-ins but too coy to party in public; perfidious Albion.

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Too busy saying Rupert, J'Accuse! (2.00 / 4)
They even use my book title on the front page

http://edition.cnn.com/

Hate the camera angle but

http://edition.cnn.com/video/?...

Better on Sky, and apparently on Wolff Blitzer tonight


The p***artist formerly known as 'Brit'


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Dude! (2.00 / 4)
Congratulations, that is teh awesome; really dig Richard Quest, he's very animated and flukey, I get him on CNN international out here.  Is QMB broadcast in the States as well?  Your point about Rupert's overreach is intriguing.  Did they plug your book?

I think you may have posted the wrong link, however.  This link goes straight to your interview after an advertisement; I can't embed it as it is Flash.


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You're a natural for tv dude! (2.00 / 2)
Wow.

This is AWESOME.

Just because they are posting on a progressive site doesn't make them progressives. - John Allen


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Ha (2.00 / 2)
I'm watching the unedited interview with Peter on CNN in Australia right now.  How cool is that!

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Epic/surreal as... (2.00 / 1)
... FUCK!

Just because they are posting on a progressive site doesn't make them progressives. - John Allen

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Donna is in love with Peter's eyes. (2.00 / 2)
Very expressive. :~)

Where is the raw link?

Super kudos, PJ, you come off as impressive as you are.



John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."


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Did I never tell you? (2.00 / 3)
I'm in love with Donna's eye. Why did I never tell you that?

Oh... I remember.

Thanks for the kind words. Horrible camera angle according to my friends. But who says I'm vain? Up early for a radio interview. But this is only happening because my blogging friends got me back involved in politics again after all these years.

If I can take on you, Shaun and Gandalf - who's afraid of Rupert Murdoch?  

The p***artist formerly known as 'Brit'


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True, true. (2.00 / 3)
If I can take on you, Shaun and Gandalf - who's afraid of Rupert Murdoch?

Folks are just folks. If you can master your fears enough to argue and do it well, it doesn't matter who the opponent is. Sure: rich, powerful etc - so what? No harder to argue with than Gandalf, for sure. No more likely to be right than anyone else, and probably wrong for more interesting reasons than average (one can hope, anyway).

It's great to see you talk. You do that rather well.

Why don't we do a Moosinar with a few of us sometime? Maybe a short bit with a topic and some sort of agenda? Could even get saucy and make something of a habit out of it. Simple, I do them all the time. Gotomeeting would work for starters.

Whose in?

John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."


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Heh (2.00 / 3)
Unshaven and bathrobed; bless the anonymity of blogging.

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Nobody knows. (2.00 / 3)
Since working with videoconferencing in 1990 at GE I've always pondered the social usage patterns. Now we mostly know them and can tell when other folks aren't up to speed.

A quick google shows that folks have already codified skype etiquette. The first hit says exactly what I have suggested would be the most fundamentally common meme of the videophone era:

"In the future when we all have video conferencing, and the other person doesn't turn on their camera, it will considered impolite to ask them why."

Video calls are not a God given right. Just because you want to do video right now doesn't mean I want to. I may be in my underwear, for example, which is when I do my best blogging. Feel free to hit video if you want. And if I want to I'll hit video. If I don't, why bring it up?

If you do turn on video, note that you have just become part of my informal psychology test. The default is for you to see yourself in the bottom left of the Skype app. Most people constantly check themselves and then change position slightly or whatever. I won't mention it, but I do find it funny to see what percentage of the call you spend looking at yourself.

I am often dressed in Bathrobian duds for Massively Important Conference Calls. Part of working from home a lot is that this gets old, too. Often enough I like a crisp button up shirt so I feel like a human being.

John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."


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Yeah... (2.00 / 3)
I shave once every three days whether I need to or not.

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Watching You on the Tube... (2.00 / 3)
You are immensely well-spoken, Peter.  What a fascinating interview.  Makes one want to have a read of your book, methinks.  Well done, sir!  You are officially an opinion shaper.

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You mean he's a .:shivers:. pundit? (2.00 / 2)


Just because they are posting on a progressive site doesn't make them progressives. - John Allen

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Apparently So... (2.00 / 4)
And a damned impressive one too.

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Now, now, no insults (2.00 / 4)
Hippocratic oath. Do no harm. I'll keep the punditry down

The p***artist formerly known as 'Brit'

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LOL! (2.00 / 5)
True. You didn't seem nervous at all. A lot better than Markos on tv. I use him as an example that not everybody has it .

That earpiece was conspiring against you though. You should of yelled: "ENOUGH!" Tore it out and stomped on it while tearing your shirt open, all the while screaming at the camera. (see, this is why I'll never get on tv)

Just because they are posting on a progressive site doesn't make them progressives. - John Allen


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First time I've an earpiece problem (2.00 / 4)
Weirdly my appearance on Murdoch's sky - which was longer - was better. Oh. And the camera angle was kinder.

Me, vain?

The p***artist formerly known as 'Brit'


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you comport to teevee well (2.00 / 6)
my perverted british friend.

well done!

SRSLY, how awesome is the moose? Adept's historic family movies, Foxy slappin' fives with POTUS, and the Jukester on CNN (mind the blitzer beard, that thing is dangerous).

Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey
 


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Apparently they pulled the Blitzer piece (2.00 / 5)
...because of some people getting blown away by tornadoes. But they want me back next time... and believe me, more revelations/resignations/arrests coming soon.  

The p***artist formerly known as 'Brit'

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Looking forward to it, Bro. (2.00 / 5)
SRSLY, mind the beard tho.

Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey
 


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Fear the beard. (2.00 / 3)


Just because they are posting on a progressive site doesn't make them progressives. - John Allen

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What a beautiful portrait you draw of him. (2.00 / 7)
It does him great honor.  I can't fathom being so lovingly remembered with such detail by a grandchild.

I hope you and your Dad make it to Alaska soon.

Thank you for sharing this.

The future is unwritten


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Romney in MI (2.00 / 2)
Leading now by 3% with 20% reporting.

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Steady... (2.00 / 3)
3% lead for Romney with almost 30% of votes counted.  I'm guessing that still constitutes a perception problem for him but a win is a win.

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heh (2.00 / 4)
Look down at my comment.  We must be rather on the same wavelength.

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette

[ Parent ]
Great Minds... (2.00 / 3)
Fair lady, great minds.  Cue pundit discussion of same in 3, 2, 1...

[ Parent ]
So what is the "magic" number that Romney must win MI by (2.00 / 2)
in order to have "won" the state in the narrative?  I'm not sure he can win with prior expectations so high.

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette

He's gotta take it by at least 4% n/t (2.00 / 2)


The future is unwritten

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Well apparently Karl Rove has called MI for Romney (2.00 / 2)
so there's that.

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette

[ Parent ]
Heh... (2.00 / 2)
See wishing and pooping above.  Tend to agree, though, and kinda glad Santorum isn't anywhere close to the nomination.  On the other hand if you had told me a month ago that Santorum would poll within 5% of Romney in Michigan I would have bet a steak dinner and dessert it wasn't possible.

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Why won't these (2.00 / 3)
useless news journalists show us which districts have already been counted and which lean which way.

And btw, Santorum could lose over all and still come out ahead on delegates.

The future is unwritten


[ Parent ]
John King... (2.00 / 2)
Gets into the county-by-county results and the CNN results page has a mouseover map which is handy.

[ Parent ]
Santorum broke 50% in a few counties, (2.00 / 3)
Romney in none of them.

John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."

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I went straight to the Internet :) (2.00 / 3)
http://www.google.com/election...


"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette

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Heh... (2.00 / 3)
Google = the Internet?  Maybe I should buy a few shares.  I spent a decade trying to convince my family that AOL <> the Internet.  To no avail.

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The Scary Thing... (2.00 / 3)
To me, is how well Santorum is actually doing after giving us a guided tour of his theological mental pathologies for the last week or so.  Sheesh.

[ Parent ]
And people agree with the moron! (2.00 / 3)


"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette

[ Parent ]
I Suppose... (2.00 / 2)
I wonder how many of them realise what he's really proposing, however.  The cognitive dissonance drowns out the issues sometimes.

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Or they'll overlook the crazy stuff because it will never happen (2.00 / 2)
anyway and go with him because he stays true to his values and he honest.  Or some horseshit like that.

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette

[ Parent ]
Romney... (2.00 / 2)
Now hits your mark with 57% of the vote in.

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From Sully ... (2.00 / 3)
9.40 pm. The under-30s go for Ron Paul again in Michigan. Meanwhile, 2 percent of the vote was black. 92 percent was white. That's the GOP we have come to know these past few years. http://andrewsullivan.thedaily...  

And apparently Catholics went for Romney as did those making more than $100k and so did the 65+ crowd.  Unions and evangelicals went for Santorum.

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette


Which Just Goes to Show... (2.00 / 3)
Santorum's Catholocism is just a thinly-veiled pastiche of evangelical social issues wrapped in red and wearing a mitre.

[ Parent ]
Looks Like a 4% Win for Romney in MI (2.00 / 2)
And a very significant chunk of delegates, like 80% of total up for grabs today.  Dregs to Santorum in Michigan, none in Arizona.

Noticed... (2.00 / 4)
As Sully does, that Santorum made a big deal of walking back some of his implied "barefoot and pregnant" rhetoric on women with his concession speech.  Working career mother and wife, and so forth.  Must have seen some pretty scathing internal polling, eh?  He's been losing women I'm guessing, outside of evangelicals.  And fair enough too.

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yeah (2.00 / 2)
saw a thing on tv, he got hammered by women.

Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey
 


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All Things Being Equal... (2.00 / 4)
It would be time to cue Romney stepping on his own whatsit again in the warm glow of a win.  He has a knack for snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.  We'll see...

And... (2.00 / 2)
Romney's margin erodes to 3%.

[ Parent ]
I guess he can spin it as a win but as Juan Williams reminded (2.00 / 4)
folks Romney was up 35% just a couple of months ago.  If Santorum can quit yammering about birth control he might still eke out Ohio (DeWine seems to think at this point Santorum will).

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette

[ Parent ]
Romney... (2.00 / 4)
Just blamed Obama for the loss of the US AAA credit rating.  Good Lord, we have a lot of work to do.  Up is down these days in doubleplusungood speak.

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Seems... (2.00 / 3)
From his victory wannabe stem-winder oratory he thinks he's got a clear run at the nomination now; I wonder.  Close shave.  But now everyone is thinking, hmmm...  Romney, really?  

Too late.  They've got to dance with the guy they brought.  But let's see how his fundraising numbers go in upcoming periods.  Ohio is going to be another expensive trophy he has to win.  It's the death of a dozen close calls for him now.


[ Parent ]
According to Chuck Todd (2.00 / 4)
Romney won Mackinac County by one vote:  677 to, yes, 666 for Santorum.

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette

lol!!!!!! (2.00 / 4)
no way.  that's too flippin' awesome for me to handle.

Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey
 


[ Parent ]
The neighbor of the best. (2.00 / 3)
666a - the tenant of the beast

i66686 - the microprocessor of the beast

$6.66 - the blueplate special of the best

John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."


[ Parent ]
It seems Santorum thinks they may end up with more (2.00 / 3)
delegates out of MI than Romney.  Hmmm.

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette

Santorum is up in 7 Congressional districts and Romney 4 (2.00 / 3)
with 3 too close to call.

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette

[ Parent ]
Interesting... (2.00 / 3)
Contra the comments I quoted above.  Just watching CNN delegate projections a couple of plausible scenarios see Ron Paul in a distant second after super Tuesday.  And leading both Santorum and Gingrich, but highly hypothetical at this point.

[ Parent ]
Whatever the Outcome... (2.00 / 3)
Romney's 1144 are not a given unless he sweeps up on super Tuesday.

[ Parent ]
I guess all eyes shift to Ohio. (2.00 / 3)
March 3: Washington State caucuses

March 6: Super Tuesday -- Primaries or caucuses in Alaska, Georgia, Idaho, Massachusetts, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Vermont, Virginia. Wyoming caucuses begin.

Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/news/...

And Kansas is March 10th.

According to wiki most of these are proportional (in some cases if the winner gets 50%+ of the vote it becomes winner take all).  And both AZ and MI were penalized half their delegation.

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette


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Yeah... (2.00 / 2)
We'll see if Santorum can leave his obsession with being a social and religious nuisance behind.  Interesting to note that although we treat this as a two-man race if Santorum had 80% of Gingrich's vote he would have won.  I'm not sure we've seen the last of him, either.

[ Parent ]
OT(perhaps ) Kysen wrote about Jourdan Anderson (2.00 / 7)
letter to former slaveholder.

see pics and further research here

http://www.daytonhistorybooks....

could not post this to Ky's piece - comments are closed

"If you're in a coalition and you're comfortable, you know it's not a broad enough coalition"

Bernice Johnson Reagon


Fwiw, (2.00 / 6)
Michigan's delegate count is officially a tie.  So Romney outspent his closest opponent more than 2:1 in his home state just to tie the number of delegates.

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette

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