Rush Limbaugh's [Lawyer's] Apology

by: Strummerson

Sun Mar 04, 2012 at 14:44:40 PM EST



Here 'tis in full:

For over 20 years, I have illustrated the absurd with absurdity, three hours a day, five days a week.  In this instance, I chose the wrong words in my analogy of the situation. I did not mean a personal attack on Ms. Fluke.

I think it is absolutely absurd that during these very serious political times, we are discussing personal sexual recreational activities before members of Congress. I personally do not agree that American citizens should pay for these social activities. What happened to personal responsibility and accountability? Where do we draw the line? If this is accepted as the norm, what will follow? Will we be debating if taxpayers should pay for new sneakers for all students that are interested in running to keep fit?In my monologue, I posited that it is not our business whatsoever to know what is going on in anyone's bedroom nor do I think it is a topic that should reach a Presidential level.

My choice of words was not the best, and in the attempt to be humorous, I created a national stir. I sincerely apologize to Ms. Fluke for the insulting word choices.

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/da...

Now, let's take his jackweedery point by point.

Strummerson :: Rush Limbaugh's [Lawyer's] Apology

For over 20 years, I have illustrated the absurd with absurdity, three hours a day, five days a week.

I'm positive that RL here intends to say that he uses absurd statements to illustrate the absurdity of others.  But, in fact, he illustrates his own absurdity with...his absurdity.  The reductio ad absurdum has a long and august history in western rhetoric, one that Rush cowardly hides behind.  He doesn't reveal absurdity.  He regularly primes the pump of American divisiveness, civic hatred, and primal resentments.  Mr. Limbaugh, I have studied and know the art of the reductio ad absurdum.  You are no reducer to the absurd.

In this instance, I chose the wrong words in my analogy of the situation. I did not mean a personal attack on Ms. Fluke.

Oops.  How could we have missed your analogy?  You were suggesting that Fluke's arguments about contraceptives made her into a "slut" and a "prostitute."  Obviously, given that this argument had nothing to do with sex, you were using derogatory terms for sexually active women to describe her opinions about...taxes?  Or Iran?  Or pancreatic cancer?  Or habeus corpus?  And given that your overindulgence in the absurd led you to demand that she film herself having sex and post it on the internet for your enjoyment was meant to illustrate a principle, we weren't meant to interpret it as an attack on her person.  Sure.  Fine.  So here's my clear analogic and non-personal understanding of your attack on Fluke: You are a degraded, malicious, disgusting dirty old man who no one should allow anywhere near human beings of the female sex.  But this isn't meant personally.  It's an analogy.  And it's meant to illustrate your absurdity with absurdity.  But I still cringe when I think of you interacting with any woman without armed supervision.

I think it is absolutely absurd that during these very serious political times, we are discussing personal sexual recreational activities before members of Congress.

AHA!  I agree.  Yes folks, I agree with Rush Limbaugh.  But then why isn't he telling his own partisans, the ones who decided that this should be debated right now, to shut up.  I don't recall anyone on the left suggesting that this is the time to be debating an issue around which there is broad consensus.  Talk to your friends Newt, Rick, Roy, Marco etc.  Then let's move on to talking about jobs and Iran.

I personally do not agree that American citizens should pay for these social activities. What happened to personal responsibility and accountability?

Here we disagree.  I believe in a single-payer, tax funded health care system that covers basic health needs for all Americans.  BUT, that's not what is being debated here.  What we are debating is whether employers and private insurance companies should be required to offer contraception coverage within their plans, should employees choose to use it.  It has nothing to do with what American citizens pay for directly.  Is this candor in place of your regular feeble attempts at reductio ad absurdum?  If so, it's not so candid.  In fact, it's a purposely waved red herring, a classic "bait and switch" maneuver.  

I would like to proffer a follow-up question at this point.  As a self-proclaimed advocate of "personal accountability and responsibility," why are you so opposed to offering people the means to exercise just those behavioral values in the realm of sex?  Contraception offers health and economic benefits, enables fuller civic participation of sexually active women (as a man on his 4th marriage, I assume that you approve of sexually active women?), and most importantly for your own political constituency, contraception decreases the number of women seeking abortions.  Isn't availability of contraception important for promoting the exercise of "personal accountability and responsibility"?  

Where do we draw the line? If this is accepted as the norm, what will follow? Will we be debating if taxpayers should pay for new sneakers for all students that are interested in running to keep fit?

I think we draw the line through national consensus on what constitutes basic health care needs.  Survey after survey after survey answers this.  They all reveal that a solid majority of Americans include contraception.  No survey suggests that subsidizing sneakers qualifies as a basic health care need.  When you can produce one, I'm happy to debate that issue.  Until then, please leave out your distractio ad absurdum.

In my monologue, I posited that it is not our business whatsoever to know what is going on in anyone's bedroom nor do I think it is a topic that should reach a Presidential level.

Actually, the history of your involvement in our public discourse suggests that you are a bit obsessed with what happens in American bedrooms.  And regardless, if you don't want this issue to occupy our public debate, why have you contributed to it.  You could have ignored it.  You also could have simply expressed the fact that you don't think we should be spending time discussing it instead of inflaming it by indulging in a despicable attempt to defame the character of a private citizen who simply tried to offer a counter-perspective to your side's initiation of this debate.

My choice of words was not the best, and in the attempt to be humorous, I created a national stir. I sincerely apologize to Ms. Fluke for the insulting word choices.

Yes.  Not the best.  Calling someone a "slut" and a "prostitute" and demanding to watch her engage in intimate sexual activities and calling into question her worthiness of her own parents' pride is not the best.  Short of wishing her death, something that is far from beyond you based on your history, it was the worst.  But for you, it was also pretty much de rigeur.  So I don't really accept your sincerity or that of the lawyer who composed your apology for you.  In fact, it's feebleness and lack of logical force suggests that your lawyer is both insincere and inept and you can probably afford much better.  But if you want to prove me wrong, then there is something you can do.  Since you either don't want to or cannot refrain from such despicable and risible rhetoric, and as you cannot demonstrate personally accountability and responsibility for your verbal actions, if you indeed regret them it's time to bid your listeners farewell, urge them to find better sources of entertainment and political engagement, turn off your microphone for good, and retire to enjoy the vast wealth you have acquired through attacks just like the one you have leveled at Sandra Fluke.

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Limbaugh is Lame... (2.00 / 8)
But I could practically kiss him right now.  The Republicans had no sooner doubled-down, all-in on the contraception issue in an election year, a pretty daring wager in the first place, than Rush comes along and takes an unrepentant dump in the middle of it.

Their carefully crafted issue was about "religious liberty" not contraception, remember?  Ha, not any more.  Thanks to Rush it's not even about contraception; just plain, old, garden-variety misogyny that everyone, especially women, can easily recognise from the smell.  And he's smeared it all over both houses of Congress and a presidential campaign.  Well done, sir; you ignorant baboon.


Sure (2.00 / 7)
But I harbor quixotic hopes that this could undermine Limbaugh's authority and influence, at least partially, for the long term.

The future is unwritten

[ Parent ]
Oh... (2.00 / 7)
I firmly believe it has; he's been revealed as a bully way, way beyond his usual audience and the circle of the politically engaged left gasping by his contemptuous comments.  The Republicans must be livid; he basically left a bag of burning dog crap on their front steps during their formal garden party.

The turning point, though, if you ask me, was one little phone call to the young woman at the centre of this punked-up controversy; from a supportive, responsible, adult male...  In the kabuki of our political theatre that was a torpedo aimed straight for the SS Limbaugh and it ran true.

Kudos to the Georgetown University president, too.  His unequivocal and outspoken support for Ms Fluke was principled and totally in character for a virtuous male authority figure; in dramatic contrast with the original offence.


[ Parent ]
I think there's a connection here (2.00 / 5)
...between the slow rejection in the UK of the tabloid style of reasoning (basically trollery and personal insult) and the sudden turning on Rush L.

The British Tabloids and the American Shock Jocks basically thrived on the backlash against the civil liberties victories of the 60s: legislation against racial discrimination, homophobia, the rise of women in the work place and reproductive rights. For 40 years they thrived on right wing white male resentment. They had nothing to offer but trollery because they sought to to interfere with communication about race, gender and sexuality, but without an alternative agenda or real ideology, except that of opposition, reduction ad absurdum (looney left fictions about banning nursery rhymes etc) and the shock value of mockery.

This was never anything but a reactionary tribute to all the victories of the 60s. The candidacy of Sarah Palin was the ne plus ultra of this political style. Rebarbative, provocative, posited on antagonism alone, it never could offer much more than a macho guffaw and muttering of unfocused dissent.  

Forty years on, the people who find this stuff amusing are diminishing. Shock Jocks have run out of positions. They can only flame out or die down.  

The p***artist formerly known as 'Brit'


[ Parent ]
Quote of the Day (2.00 / 6)
On the Republican establishment and candidates:


They want to bomb Iran, but they're afraid of Rush Limbaugh.

George Will

Heh.  Angry little muppet.


28 Seconds ago... (2.00 / 8)
Lost another sponsor.

LOS ANGELES, March 4 (TheWrap.com) - Online florist ProFlowers said Sunday it had suspended advertising on Rush Limbaugh's radio program because his comments about Georgetown University student Sandra Fluke "went beyond political discourse to a personal attack and do not reflect our values as a company."


John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."

Good ABC News piece (2.00 / 5)
here.

What a douchebag.

John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."


And let's not let the dirtbag off the hook, (2.00 / 5)
here is the first comment:

Never let it be said the Moose don't give the full context.

John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."


[ Parent ]
I love this guy, (2.00 / 4)
he just keeps digging.

Friday, March 2:

His apology needs to be put in the full light of what a fucking jackass he is.

John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."


[ Parent ]
The "Give me Porno" quote. (2.00 / 4)

I suppose he just blathered for several hours on the topic as usual.  

John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."


[ Parent ]
Last of these morons I can listen to, (2.00 / 3)
but just to show the full range of intelligence seeping from the right on this. Bill Somethingorother on UsedtobeonCNN's show equating contraception to Nazi groups at universities.



John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."


[ Parent ]
Perfect example of rightwing rhetoric (2.00 / 6)
- distortition and lies. She talks about other women and what they've said and this douche twists it to say she was talking about herself. He also talks about paying $10 per month for gout medicine and says "why isn't she paying for it?" Uh dude, who the hell do you think pays for the rest of your medication? It's the other people who are in the same insurance pool. Idiot.  

This is not a recession. It's a robbery.

[ Parent ]
Rachel Maddow played clips of Limbaugh on her show late last week. (2.00 / 5)
It was the first time I'd actually heard what he said.  Goes way beyond "slut" and "prostitute." I was somehow, despite all I'd read about this and other incidents, still shocked.

Not to mention either he doesn't understand, or doesn't expect his listeners to understand, how birth control works.  You only take one a day ... period.

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette


[ Parent ]
How birth control works: (2.00 / 4)
Donna takes a pill every day and it controls the period that aggravates her colits and reduces her already extremely high risk of ovarian cancer.

Rush => Twit.

John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."


[ Parent ]
Chris Matthews had really funny comment last week (2.00 / 5)
He said "what does he think (birth control) is? Viagra???? \

Heh. Made me snort diet rite.

I am years behind and decades ahead. ~ Somebody else, I am certain


[ Parent ]
Make that (2.00 / 6)
snorted diet rite out of my nose. LOL. I can't see snorting diet rite up my nose. Oy.

I am years behind and decades ahead. ~ Somebody else, I am certain


[ Parent ]
Personally, it's hard for me to fathom how (2.00 / 4)
he's gotten away with using the term "feminazis" all these years.  Hard to see how any of this is much uglier beyond it being aimed a particular individual.  It's hard for me to understand opposition to feminism, but I certainly want that opposition in the public sphere.  But the term I typed in quotation marks here has to be one of the biggest departures from basic decency in our recent political history.

The future is unwritten

The left isn't pushing back hard enough (2.00 / 7)
against the distortions tossed out by the right. In the first place, this isn't about an employer's freedom. Health insurance is compensation. That makes it the employee's business. The employer doesn't get to say how you can spend your paycheck. They shouldn't have any right to tell you what can and cannot be covered by your health insurance.  

This is not a recession. It's a robbery.

Another thing that bugs me. (2.00 / 6)
I've read quite a few comments on news sites about this mess. Right-wing posters continually toss out Bill Maher and Ed Schultz as examples of left-wing abuses. The wingnuts say something like, "No one on the left said anything about their comments." That's bullshit. Ed Schultz was suspended for calling Laura Ingram a slut. Bill Maher lost his show for his comments post-9/11.  

This is not a recession. It's a robbery.

David Frum goes there! (2.00 / 5)
He actually argues that there ISN'T that equivalency!

http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/05/...

I about fell out of my chair.  Even allowing for the waves of sanity that have been breaking over him lately, it's a stunner to hear that from anyone on the right.

Which in itself is a sad, sad commentary.

If it were done when 'tis done, then 'twere well it were done subjunctively.


[ Parent ]
Yeah (2.00 / 5)
Frum gets it.  And if his party stops marginalizing him and listens to him, it might be able to staunch the hemorrhage of women's votes.  If Obama carries the female vote by over 10%, it's over.  And our congressional and senatorial candidates must press their opponents to repudiate Rush.  If they fail to do so, women voters should turn on them.  If they do repudiate, then Rush's power is broken.  Both are wins.  Either way, it reminds the voting public of how acceptable misogyny is in the policies and rhetoric of the modern GOP.

I know that many on the left are thrilled that the GOP has gone over the cliff into an abyss of extremist anachronism.  But even if it were to come at an electoral cost, I yearn for more sane and civil opponents.  I'll take the quality of the agon over this or that election or policy vote.  It's the long view.  I want to face off with people with whom we can argue substance and with whom we can work productively.  I want a more interesting and elevated public sphere and a healthier republic.

The future is unwritten


[ Parent ]
By the way, say WHAT?!??!?! (2.00 / 4)
In my monologue, I posited that it is not our business whatsoever to know what is going on in anyone's bedroom nor do I think it is a topic that should reach a Presidential level.

That's half the GOP platform.  And Rush brought it up and lots of RW freaks have picked up on it.  Patricia Heaton (who knew she was a wingnut) went after Fluke hard on her Twitter time line before she got a ton of pushback and then she cried victim and shut it down.  Pam Geller (yeah, I know) is running with it.  Then there's this gem from The College Conservative:

I'm a proud Georgetown woman upset about another Georgetown woman who may have no pride at all.  How else do you explain  - Ms. Sandra Fluke, a Georgetown Law student, now famous for testimony she never gave - jumping up to talk about her sex life (with the House Minority Leader and with the liberal media) and ask for the cost of her sex life to be subsidized by other students at a Jesuit School?

snip

Sandra doesn't even speak for all skanks!  She only speaks for the skanks who don't want to take responsibility for their choices.  That's a tiny group of people.  Hey Sandra!  How about next Saturday night, you come hang out with me and my gay boyfriends!  Your hair will look fabulous and you'll get to see great musical theatre!  Oh, and odds of you getting pregnant?  Zero percent. http://thecollegeconservative....  

I guess Angela Morabito didn't actually see Ms. Fluke's testimony or get the memo from the President of Georgetown who completely backs Ms. Fluke as do dozens of faculty and staff.

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette


my 'say what?!??!?!' (2.00 / 3)
...it is not our business whatsoever to know what is going on in anyone's bedroom nor do I think it is a topic that should reach a Presidential level.

Unless they're gay, right Rush?  Because in that case, it actually is a national issue, and not only should it reach the Presidential level, but we should amend the fucking Constitution so as to ban same sex marriage, right Rush?

Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey
 


[ Parent ]
Santorum said in an interview a couple of weeks ago (2.00 / 5)
that as president he wanted to talk about birth congrol.  Hell, took his wife telling him to shut up about it to get him to focus on something else.

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette

[ Parent ]
His wife told him to STFU? (2.00 / 5)
I missed that. I would have, if I were her.

John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."

[ Parent ]
I read it on Twitter. :) (2.00 / 2)


"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette

[ Parent ]
Then it must be true!!! n/t (2.00 / 2)


The future is unwritten

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If it is on Twitter it has to be true, (2.00 / 2)
like this! :~)

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John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."

[ Parent ]
Positions Taken. (2.00 / 6)
Clear Channel:

"Nothing to see here."

Citrix:

[sic] "...and the horse you rode in on."

A Message from Carbonite CEO, David Friend Regarding Ads on Limbaugh

March 02, 2012

UPDATE
A Statement from David Friend, CEO of Carbonite as of 6:45pm ET, March 3:

"No one with daughters the age of Sandra Fluke, and I have two, could possibly abide the insult and abuse heaped upon this courageous and well-intentioned young lady. Mr. Limbaugh, with his highly personal attacks on Miss Fluke, overstepped any reasonable bounds of decency. Even though Mr. Limbaugh has now issued an apology, we have nonetheless decided to withdraw our advertising from his show. We hope that our action, along with the other advertisers who have already withdrawn their ads, will ultimately contribute to a more civilized public discourse."

--

Original post:

Over the past two days we have received a tremendous amount of feedback on Rush Limbaugh's recent comments.  I too am offended and very concerned about his comments.  Limbaugh's remarks have us rethinking our future use of talk radio.  

We use more than 40 talk show hosts to help get the Carbonite message out to the public.  The nature of talk radio is that from time to time listeners are offended by a host and ask that we pull our advertising. This goes for conservatives like Limbaugh and progressives like Stephanie Miller and Ed Shultz. We even get customers who demand that we pull the plug on NPR.   As an advertiser, we do not have control over a show's editorial content or what they say on air. Carbonite does not endorse the opinions of the shows or their hosts.

However, the outcry over Limbaugh is the worst we've ever seen. I have scheduled a face-to-face meeting next week with Limbaugh during which I will impress upon him that his comments were offensive to many of our customers and employees alike.  

Please know your voice has been heard and that we are taking this matter very seriously.

Sincerely,

David Friend

I'm keeping my GoToMeeting account open. Good work, David.

Ms. Fluke:

[sic]"...by the horse you rode in on."

"This was three days of significant portions of his three-hour show. He insulted me and the women of Georgetown  -- who have received no apology - he insulted us over 53 times."

...

Fluke said she had not heard from Limbaugh personally.

"I think his statements that he made about me on the air have been personal enough, so I'd rather not have a personal phone call from him," she said.

John McCain:

[sic]"...what she said."

Appearing on "CBS This Morning," McCain acknowledged that Limbaugh continues to have influence within the Republican Party, but that his statements "were unacceptable in every way and should be condemned by everyone, no matter what their political leanings are."

Rick Santorum:

[sic]"You just lay back, I'll do all the work."

"He's being absurd, but that's you know, an entertainer can be absurd."

Mitt Romney:

[sic] "You like it like that, don't you?"

"I'll just say this, which is, it's not the language I would have used," Romney told reporters after an event in Cleveland. Instead, he said, "I'm focusing on the issues that I think are significant in the country today, and that's why I'm here talking about jobs and Ohio."

Newt Gingrich:

"[sic] "You do that hooker and watch me give it to this one, I'm paying."

"I think the president will opportunistically do anything he can," Gingrich said in response to a reporter's question after a rally Saturday morning in Hamilton. "I think the most important use of language in the last week has been the president's apology to religious fanatics, and I want to stay focused on what the president has said blah blah blah I'm a filthy whore."

Ron Paul:

[sic] "...and that's why it is about smaller government."

"He's doing it because some people were taking their advertisements off of his program. It was his bottom line he was concerned about," Paul said
.


John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."

That was Carbonite, (2.00 / 3)
here is Citrix:

"Over the past day, we've heard from many great Citrix customers about our advertising on The Rush Limbaugh Show," wrote Brett Caine, GM of Citrix's online services division in a blog posting. "These customers have expressed their growing concern that some of his recent comments seem inconsistent with the core values Citrix has always stood for - humility, integrity and respect.

"While Citrix obviously does not control any show's content or endorse opinions of their hosts, we do take the concerns of our customers seriously. When they are upset about something, we listen. After careful consideration, we have decided to discontinue our advertising on The Rush Limbaugh Show."



John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."

[ Parent ]
This is social media at its best (2.00 / 7)
Without banging on an old drum (but here we go) the same outrage fuelled the boycotting of the News of the World when the hacking scandal broke. Avaaz and 38degrees focused on the advertisers at the paper, and when the public summoned enough outrage through twitter and email, the advertisers withdrew from the paper. That's what killed News of the World.

Thanks to new media, we really aren't passive consumers anymore, but can communicate directly with those to attempt to appease us. I guess this is what has happened to Limbaugh.

The p***artist formerly known as 'Brit'


[ Parent ]
Yep (2.00 / 6)
And Rush's fans disprove the theory of being ignorant boobs by the way they express themselves:

Jeff Smith BS you have not heard from real Americans but you will now you liberal piece of craps. Millions of people who support Rush will no longer do business with your pathetic loser libtard company. You want to support a liar libtard paid lobbyist like Ms Fluke who is 30 years ok'd not 23. Lying to congress , great Citrix now you support a person who should be in prison. Your sales will drop off by the millions and hope you go out of business for making a liberal stupid decision like you made. Put your advertising back on Rush now or face the diminishing sales. We the people of America have begun a boycott of your liberal stupid company and your pocketbook will feel it. Hsve a good day tards.
5 hours ago · Like ·  2


John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."

[ Parent ]
Nothing says "change your mind" like being called a "tard" (2.00 / 5)


"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette

[ Parent ]
Teach (2.00 / 3)
Your Children Well.



John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."


[ Parent ]
If I were not a believer in (2.00 / 6)
non-violence, in turn the other cheek, I would allow my evil twin to take charge, go up to Limbaugh, scream "Die slowly and painfully you evil, misogynistic racist jerk!!" and then kick him as hard as I could in the shins ......or other parts!

Being as I do not allow my evil twin power over me, instead I will continue to question the intelligence, the conscience of anyone who listens to this being.  

I would like to believe that this dolt is giving a gift to the left.  However, I have learned to not underestimate the lack of intelligence in those racist, misogynistic fools who continue to vote against their own interests.

"You can have wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, or democracy. But you cannot have both."
- Louis Brandeis


So last count Rush has lsot more than 10 advertisers (2.00 / 6)
and two radio stations.

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette

Guessing... (2.00 / 5)
This time he really stepped in it.  Republicans have probably had a snootful by now as well.

[ Parent ]
13 advertisers now. :) (2.00 / 5)
Yeah, it appears this was a bridge too far for some of the advertisers with others deciding to jump ship, too, now that there was safety in numbers.

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette

[ Parent ]
Seems to Me... (2.00 / 5)
That given his lack of political instinct, bad timing and past arrogance towards many establishment Republicans now would be an opportune time to get rid of him from the GOP's point of view.

One wonders if Rush didn't calculate that another four years of Obama would have been better for his ratings; hard to explain such a politically dumb move otherwise unless he really is just stupid, which seems unlikely.  Am I missing something?


[ Parent ]
My guess is that Rush had gotten away with being crass and (2.00 / 6)
offensive for so long he thought he was untouchable.  And perhaps he might have been if not for the Komen kerfuffle and the idiocy of the Issa hearings.  Add all the ultrasound bills making their way through various statehouses and you have a bunch of pissed off people who found a convenient outlet in Rush.

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette

[ Parent ]
Well... (2.00 / 5)
His oratory is certainly symptomatic of a malaise in America.  I'm guessing he's burned up a lot of goodwill with Republicans lately, though.  The timing of this recent outrage couldn't have been worse for them.  It was a gift to us, really.

Any Republican who wants to speak on this issue, and I'm doubting there are very many at the moment, is going to have to choke on the poisonous smoke he's blown first.


[ Parent ]
Although... (2.00 / 4)
Santorum is doing a pretty good job by himself of smoking out Romney on his habitual lying:


"People are starting to realize that what you have with Governor Romney is someone who is simply not a genuine article, he's not someone you can trust on the issue of big government," Santorum said.

"Then for Mitt Romney to do what he's done on repeated occasions, to mislead the public as to what his position was, to continue to mislead, and to try to obfuscate by just throwing negative ads at someone and not having to respond to the fact that he was an advocate for something he says he wasn't, it's firm evidence that conservatives will not trust him, will not rally around him through this primary season," Santorum said.

Jon Ward - Rick Santorum To Mitt Romney: You Lie Huffington Post 5 Mar 12

That's pretty strong stuff and, like all narratives that speak to what people are already thinking, powerfully negative.  Given that Romney is going to be the nominee that has to be a facepalm moment for Republicans.


[ Parent ]
Too little too late? (2.00 / 3)
Mitt's starting to really get that whiff of inevitability to him.

Apparently Santorum's finally going after Romney on his call to base a national healthcare bill after MA's. I guess they don't have enough money to do their own oppo ~ counting on Andrew Kaczinski to do it for them.  

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette


[ Parent ]
We'll See... (2.00 / 2)
I'll be watching the returns tomorrow with great interest.  Santorum can still be a drag on Romney; I'm guessing Newt bails after tomorrow which may encourage Rick to go another round or two.  But unless there is a big upset which seems unlikely I agree; though 'inevitable' ain't what it used to be for Mitt, his favourables are in the gutter.

[ Parent ]
It seems, though, at Newt is a bigger drag on Santorum. (2.00 / 3)
Georgia (is Georgia on Tuesday? I'm so tired I don't remember) and/or Tennessee may keep Gingrich in.

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette

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I'm Suspicious... (2.00 / 1)
That Adelson is financing Gingrich with Romney's tacit blessing, if that's what you mean.  But still...  Gingrich has a big enough ego to want to go out on a big note and misrepresent history later on.  And if Adelson is just running Gingrich as a stalking horse for Santorum's votes there must be a point of diminishing returns.  Gingrich's performance in other states has been pretty lacklustre.

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A Pittsfield MA radio station was the second to drop him today. (2.00 / 4)
From their statement:

WBEC's General Manager Peter Barry says his station hadn't yet lost any advertisers as a result of Rush's comments, and no more than a handful of callers had voiced complaints. But he says over the years he and station staff have grown increasingly uncomfortable with Limbaugh's rhetoric.

"The nature of Rush's programming has always presented challenges for us and he's always pushed the envelope. But this time he's taken it too far."



"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette

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Just for the Record (2.00 / 4)
Not on Romney's watch, but still...  Into his pocket:


While Limbaugh owns the company that produces his show, it's syndicated and broadcasted by Premiere Radio Networks, which also handles Limbaugh's advertising. Premiere is a wholly-owned subsidiary of Clear Channel, the radio and outdoor advertising behemoth. Clear Channel, meanwhile, is owned by a partnership of two private equity firms, Bain Capital and Thomas H. Lee Partners - the same Bain Capital that Mitt Romney once ran.

Alex Seitz-Wald - Mitt Romney's Corporate Ties To Limbaugh Think Progress 5 Mar 12

Things that make you go, "Hmmm..."


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Romney still profits from Bain, though, right? (2.00 / 3)


"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette

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Yup (2.00 / 1)
Though that's "not the words I would have used."

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"Bless his heart" (2.00 / 1)
:~)

John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."

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Now, this is just funny. (1.00 / 1)
I don't care who you are.



John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."


NAZIs aren't funny. Period. (2.00 / 2)
OK.  Two exceptions: The Great Dictator and The Producers.  The first satirizes NAZIs and the second satirizes the entertainment industry's use of NAZIs.

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Third. (0.00 / 0)
This video.

I agree on the whole Uber Topic (see what I did there?), and didn't think the video would be funny, but it is. It's campy, it's wildly partisan and overly slams Republicans, but it's tongue in cheek enough to carry it off.

Remember, comedy isn't pretty. ;~)

John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."


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Nope. Not...laughing...not...urrrgh...laughing....at all... (2.00 / 2)
It's nowhere as good as Springtime for Hitler.

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It's hard to beat a Hitler parody by a Jew who killed Nazis with his bare hands, (2.00 / 3)
but I support using Hitler as a clown character at all opportunities. :~)

John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."

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This is where we part ways (2.00 / 1)
I disagree with the clownification of Hitler.  Certain figures and ideas are so ugly and violent that I don't agree with diluting their horror through comedy.  But it's more of a sensibility issue than an argument about moral principles or social conventions.  Not calling anyone out.  And I think it would be laughable (in the USfunniest way) for anyone to suggest that Blask takes the horror of NAZIism lightly, or to read my comments as suggesting that.

I do, however, find it very interesting that German films did not represent Hitler speaking or use recordings of his voice or impressions based on those recordings until Bruno Ganz's brilliant "Downfall."  And on the other hand I confess that many of the youtube clips that were subtitled to address any and every situation were hilarious, especially the Hebrew subtitles that were about parking problems in Tel Aviv.  They've all been scrubbed.  And I get it.  Don't know if I support it.  But I do think some things are beyond comic material, even with reard to ironic shock comedy.  

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I Agree... (2.00 / 3)
Totally.  Nothing funny about Hitler.  Nothing whatsoever; but somehow Mel Brooks is the exception which proves the rule.  Lest we forget.

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Not sure I agree (2.00 / 2)
I lean towards total freedom for comedy to tackle any subject, especially comedy that uses satire and ridicule. One could say there's nothing funny about the KKK, yet I can think of some skits that would be hilarious.

Timing is an important, if not the most important, element in comedy. That timing not only applies to a pause before the punchline, but also to when it's appropriate to use a tragedy as a subject for comedy. Once enough time has passed, there is nothing that should be off-limits to comedians.

This is not a recession. It's a robbery.


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Fair Comment (0.00 / 0)
I would feel more comfortable about it if I thought that the actual history was widely understood.  The inappropriate analogies to Nazism and fascism in our current politics, for example, is disheartening and suggests a trivialisation of a world historical tragedy we should insure we remain vigilant against.

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Not sure where you see anyone impinging on freedom n/t (0.00 / 0)


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I was addressing this statement (2.00 / 3)
But I do think some things are beyond comic material, even with reard [sic] to ironic shock comedy.  

I'm not trying to twist what you said into an attempt to limit freedom of speech. I take it more as you stating your personal feelings on the subject. I suppose it would have been better if I hadn't used "freedom" in that sentence. I could have written it as, "I don't believe any subject should be off-limits to comedians."


This is not a recession. It's a robbery.


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Sure. (2.00 / 3)
We've had this dispute before, if I recall not so productively from my side.

I certainly don't think there should be any restrictions.  I don't even think there should be externally imposed limits.  But just because I don't believe that there should be limits doesn't mean that I think all comedy is productive.  I think Schindler's List was, on balance, a poor contribution to popular understandings of the Holocaust.  So I'm thankful for and in agreement with critiques such as Spiegelman's.  If satirizing Hitler can contribute to an ethical representation and understanding of the man, then in those cases I concede the point.  But I don't think they often do.  So of course comedians should go ahead, but I have a skeptical eye toward their use of this material.  Seinfeld's Soup NAZI also didn't sit well with me.  But you are right that this is in part about my personal sensibilities.  I certainly don't think that Larry David is a bad man for writing it, or that Seinfeld is a bad man for doing it, or that anyone is bad for laughing at it.  But I do think it's appropriate to take a step back and consider the ramifications from the perspective of the ethics of representation.  And I think it's not altogether disconnected from Rush Limbaugh's hateful "femiNAZIs."  Or Santorum's weasely implication of a parallel between Obama and Hitler.  So I think comedic uses of Hitler beg questions.  If they spur a good debate, then that in and of itself may justify them.

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I agree and disagree. (2.00 / 2)
Hitler was a wildly evil human being and nobody should lose sight of that.

However, as Brooks himself points out in Der Spiegel:

But by using the medium of comedy, we can try to rob Hitler of his posthumous power and myths.

As he also says, there are lines that you cannot cross and still have comedy. The Rush bit when I saw the thumbnail and title on Facebook I almost didn't watch. Too likely to be Godwin at the least or offensive at the worst. But it turned out to be - in my eyes - a piece create by someone who knows what we are talking about here and uses Hitler humorously enough to avoid Godwin and cartoonishly enough to match Brooks.

We should not miss chances to mock the incredibly wicked where we can.  

John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."


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"satisfy Brooks" (2.00 / 2)
before I get tagged with that reply... ;~)

John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."

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Yeah... (2.00 / 3)
I think it takes a rare talent, like Brooks', to achieve this.  In the meanwhile I see an almost inverse relationship between the fading of living memory and our willingness to indulge in some of the conceits that led to these disasters.  It wasn't an earthquake; their aggression against European neighbours, not to mention the Holocaust, was perpetrated by the majority consent of literate, socialised members of an arguably great, Christian, Western culture.  That's a lesson of history we fail to learn at great risk.

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Just read over at the Orange that ashleybrooks.com is seeking to buy (2.00 / 5)
all of the advertising time that has been vacated by 12 of Rush's sponsors.  It's a "married dating site" whose tag line is: "Life is Short, Have an Affair."

I hope he says yes.  I think that escort services and condom companies should also press him with offers.  How about Planned Parenthood.  And that last one isn't facetious.  Maybe they can use this time to educate his audience regarding the services they offer...I mean, beyond tearing 'people' from their mothers' unwelcoming wombs, mocking the sanctity of human life, and inflicting mortal pain on the unborn as their lives fade to black.

The future is unwritten


OOPS! (2.00 / 3)
Actually it's ashleymadison.com.

Why is it again that we can't edit our comments?

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I think the idea is to keep folks from going back and changing their statements. (2.00 / 3)
Not in our control, is a soapblox thing.

John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."

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