Murdoch's Helicopter on the Roof: Don't Give Him Asylum

by: Peter Jukes

Sun Apr 29, 2012 at 11:13:06 AM EDT

I've missed you guys. Though it's great to be covering the Leveson Inquiry for the DailyBeast and Newsweek, it's on teh blogs in the US that I built up the support, courage and debating skills to devote these last few months to covering the Hacking Scandal and the Leveson Inquiry, and doing my bid to purge the UK of years of monopolistic media practices and abuse of power.

Just so you know, the hacking scandal has finally moved into a much bigger area of illegality, which was the first reason two years ago my interest (and concern) about Murdoch's News Corp was piqued. James Murdoch's bid for BSkyB would have given News Corp. a distorting monopoly in broadcast that it already has in newspapers here (40 percent of the readership.)

Not the cover: just a quick promo by Eric Lewis

We were days away from becoming a banana republic, with a foreign, non tax paying dynasty controlling our means of communication. Only the brave work of lawyer (Mark Lewis) and a journalist (Nick Davies) prevented this catastrophe happening by exposing the industrial scale of phone hacking and surveillance deployed by News International - against celebrities, lawyers, and political opponents.

Now, like Saigon in 1975, the Murdoch helicopter is on the roof of News International. Last weeks revelations about back door channels between senior ministers and News Corp. over the $16 billion takeover of our pay TV monopoly, BSkyB, are a clear sign that the Murdochs are burning their bridges, and trying to take down the Coalition Government which - under considerable pressure and only after the Hacking scandal - finally stood up to News Corp., blocked the BSkyB bid, and set up the Leveson Inquiry which is beaming a scorching torchlight through 30 years of political blackmail, back room deals, and illegality.

Peter Jukes :: Murdoch's Helicopter on the Roof: Don't Give Him Asylum

Busting the Murdoch Myths

In today's Independent on Sunday I try to explore how Murdoch suborned democracy, and how - like many others - his kind of top down media control was a form of unaccountable political power. The shorter version is this

Only a desire to be heard can explain why the head of one of the world's largest media conglomerates needs to take to Twitter to get his point of view across. Every year Murdoch siphons off hundreds of millions of dollars to subsidise loss-making titles such as The Times, The Australian, the New York Post and The Wall Street Journal - much to the dismay of his New Corp board. And for what? These papers act as mouthpieces for his views or to gain him respect and credibility from the political classes.


"I'm held to account by the British people," Murdoch told Robert Jay. "They can stop buying the paper. I stand for election every day." Over four decades of his dominance of British media that has been the key Murdoch mantra, parroted by many employees today: people vote for us with their feet - or at least their pockets. We are politicians by the back door.

Overlook, for a moment, the obvious flaws in this argumentum ad populum (are Sun readers buying politics, horoscopes, football results or outsized breasts?); leave aside the clear undemocratic implications (if I can buy more copies of The Sunday Times do I have more votes?). Here is the essence of Murdoch's ideology: a free press, in a free market, leads to a free society.

Months before his father died, Rupert was at Oxford, campaigning for Labour, with a bust of Lenin on the mantelpiece. Like many other neocons, Murdoch still honours his Marxist background and, from Wapping to Fox News, remains a historical materialist for whom ideology and industry are inseparable. In his business model, form is content: neoliberal, deregulated, outsourced, global, too big to fail, almost "too big to jail".

That 'Too Big to Jail' line was stolen from someone on Daily Kos. So let me give credit here to all of you - too many to name - who have given me ammunition in this fight. I couldn't have stood up without you.

Now it's your turn

The Battle Heads over the Atlantic

It's likely - after their humiliation at Leveson - that the Murdoch's will divest their News International papers soon. Their remaining 39 per cent share of BSkyB is now under severe scrutiny from the Ofcom regulators to see whether they pass the 'fit and proper' test. So my hunch is, and many others, is that the rout is almost complete.

But though he owns no more than 10 percent of any market in the US (thanks to your less suborned anti-trust and foreign ownership laws) Murdoch is a US citizen, News Corp. is registered in Delaware, and with civil cases in phone hacking on US soil pending, there's still much more to go in showing how the whole UK scandal was run from the US.

Over 30,000 emails detailing corrupt payments to police by News International have been sent to the FBI by the Metropolitan Police. News Corp. is being investigated for Foreign Corrupt Practices Act violations. We may hear little about his until after the election (the DOJ may prefer Fox News worried rather than completely ballistic) but this won't go away. Nor will - as more comes out about other illegal and uncompetitive practices in other parts of News Corp.'s global empire - the sense their was systematic illegal activities throughout the corporation, led from the top.

This Friday - in a lighter mood - I appeared on NPR's On the Media - to talk about how the Murdoch revelations could yet fell the Coalition Government here. Hopefully this is a sign more and more Americans are waking up to unravelling monopolistic practices of News Corp., and the likelihood they were replicated in the US.

As someone pointed out to me - rather pointedly - to me on Daily Kos last night, I'm not an American citizen, and therefore my knowledge of where to dig is more limited than yours. This is not handing over the baton: plenty more to be done here yet. But I am encouraging Kossacks to come forward and take the fight right to News Corp. HQ in Manhattan.

News on the 'Fall of the House of Murdoch Book'

My book on the scandal as it has erupted over the last year, and the 60 years of Murdoch history that prefigured it, is two thirds finished and on line to get funded for publication in mid July. (There will be paperback version announced soon). I always feel awkward pitching it here - though its my duty to the publishers - so instead, why not enjoy the opening chapter for free. Don't feel under any obligation in any other way. This blog inspired me to write the book, and drew the attention of Tina Brown and (my hero) Harry Evans, and meant that I could write what I was destined and equipped to write.

I should be subsidising you lot!

Back soon with more exciting episodes of the Fall of the House of Murdoch. But meanwhile, if other commitments keep me silent and away for a while, know that I don't forget my friends.  

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You are doing great work on this, Peter. (2.00 / 10)
Do you have any ideas on why this isn't a bigger story in the US? Could it be that he isn't seen as such a monolithic figure here?

BTW, you've got a great radio voice. I've been told I have the same. Unfortunately, I've also been told I have a face made for radio.

This is not a recession. It's a robbery.

I don't know, John (2.00 / 7)
I think you have the kind of rugged looks many chicks adore.

But on why this isn't getting traction stateside.

I think that's a sign of the health of your media market (at least in newspapers). A media analyst told me last week that - no doubt thanks to cross ownership laws - Murdoch has no more than 10 percent of any national media market.

He has 43 per cent of UK newspaper circulations, our biggest book publisher, most independent TV production, and a controlling interest in our richest broadcaster.

We're his banana republic. It's here the battle needed to be fought.

When I think of the extensive penetration of News Corp through the current government (senior press secretary, culture secretary, close friends with Prime Minister, Chancellor, Education Secretary and Foreign Secretary) all I can think is we suffered a silent coup.

The p***artist formerly known as 'Brit'

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Whereas... (2.00 / 5)
In Australia, where News holds 70% of the daily print media, we merely coronated the rapacious old bastard and were relieved to see him turn his attentions elsewhere.

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"chicks" ???????????? (2.00 / 3)

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette

[ Parent ]
American Slang for "jeune fille" (2.00 / 3)
Definition: A young woman, particularly an attractive young woman.

Example: 1) I like Holly - she's a cool chick!

Etymology: A 'chick' is literally a young chicken or any baby bird. The use of 'chick' to refer to a young woman comes from 1920s African-American slang.

[ Parent ]
Sounds better in French. :) (2.00 / 3)

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette

[ Parent ]
Old hippy expression I thought (2.00 / 2)
Don't tell me you're going to punch me now and throw me under the bus?

I though it came from Chiquita

The p***artist formerly known as 'Brit'

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Just for the Record... (2.00 / 4)
Peter I wasn't defending you but looking for an entertaining duel and that was merely my ranging shot.  For the moment I am fed up to the scuppers with dreadnoughts and post-creative boredom is setting in; probably a good time to clean the gutters but the Moose is a lot more fun.

Now I have to build a website, thinking of using TYPO3, phpWebSite or PostNuke as CMS; any thoughts on this from our network specialists?

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For visuals (2.00 / 3)
I've actually found joomla most flexible.
But you're probably looking for something more technical  

The p***artist formerly known as 'Brit'

[ Parent ]
Thanks... (2.00 / 3)
That's good; I've downloaded it and am having a play.

[ Parent ]
Great templates at... (2.00 / 3)

These are the two websites I recently built

Mind you, for something more wordpressy, Drupal is easy to use
and set up

The p***artist formerly known as 'Brit'

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Yeah... (2.00 / 2)
Thanks heaps for that; I had a look at the commercial reality of which host providers support that product and it gets a bit expensive for me.  My cheap-as-chips provider doesn't support Joomla natively, sadly.  But thanks heaps for your help.  I'm trying to do this all on a shoestring.

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1-2-3 reg provides hosting and registration (2.00 / 2)
For around £3 a month, and free apps such as Joomla, and Drupal, and Wordpress.

The p***artist formerly known as 'Brit'

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As with any other web site software choice (2.00 / 4)
it all depends on how it will be used. It also depends on your level of web development skill. The programs I would use, b2evolution for a blog and cmsmadesimple for a content management system, are not what I would recommend for a non-developer, because they require some php knowledge to use properly. On the other hand, for blogging  and Joomla or Drupal for more varied uses are decent choices mainly because they have large support bases. You will need a hosting service for any of them. I strongly recommend A Small Orange ( for U.S. based hosting if you don't already have your own hosting set up.

This is not a recession. It's a robbery.

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Thanks, John... (2.00 / 3)
I'm going with Typo3 'cuz it is supported natively at my host provider.  I will have a look at though, thanks again for your help.  I don't actually want to be a web developer but there it is; I certainly can't afford one.

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Hoi (2.00 / 3)
Beginning to see my provider is pretty cheap at $6.99/month.

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ASO has shared hosting as low as $35 per year. (2.00 / 2)
The $5 per month hosting would be enough for the average user. It all depends on how much traffic you expect and what you will be storing on the site. I host the commercial sites I build. I use a VPS that costs me $80 per month. Some of the commercial sites use as little as 50MB of storage and next to nothing in bandwidth and others use 7-8GB of storage and 10GB of bandwidth.

This is not a recession. It's a robbery.

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Good Point (2.00 / 1)
I want to be scalable.  For $6.99/month I'm getting 350MB storage and 3TB bandwidth which seems fair.  I have only been using it as an email server for years; really appreciate your advice will probably have more questions than answers for a while.

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That 3TB of bandwidth (2.00 / 2)
is probably BS. If they are anything like most cheap hosting services that offer so much bandwidth, they will find an excuse to cut you off before you get anywhere near their limits.  

This is not a recession. It's a robbery.

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Thanks for the Warning... (2.00 / 1)
By my back-of-a-napkin calculation by the time I get near that limit I will be rich.  Bwahahaha.

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You get a gig and joomla etc for 6 bucks here (2.00 / 2)

The p***artist formerly known as 'Brit'

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I think the proper term is to strap you to the roof of my car. :) (2.00 / 6)
And Rupert will be just fine, even if he simply fades into retirement.  The damage he's done to our respective countries, however, will take decades to correct.

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette

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For a moment I was worried (2.00 / 3)
I saw the phrase 'strap on' and panicked a bit ;-)

The p***artist formerly known as 'Brit'

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Heh ~ don't knick it 'til you've tried it ... (2.00 / 5)
Wait, did I type that out loud?!

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette

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;-) (2.00 / 4)

The p***artist formerly known as 'Brit'

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{ O o } (2.00 / 2)

Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey

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Oh and if you want to throw things at me (2.00 / 3)
Looks like I'll be on CNN domestic at 7 a.m. EST

The p***artist formerly known as 'Brit'

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wow (2.00 / 7)
Over 30,000 emails detailing corrupt payments to police by News International have been sent to the FBI by the Metropolitan Police.

fucking wow.

Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey

There is probably a whole 'nuther book (2.00 / 6)
just in detailing the resignations, retirements and transfers in the Metropolitan Police. I suspect they and the politicians want to keep it all in-house, but some of it is going to be so egregious that some heads will have to publicly roll.

The FBI is going to need some speed readers to clear this backlog.

There was only one joker in L.A. sensitive enough to wear that scent...and I had to find out who he was!

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Give 'Em Hell, Peter (2.00 / 9)
It is a sad admission that it consumes the dedicated efforts of wise, committed people like yourself to simply keep the basic checks and balances of Western liberal democracy on the straight and narrow.  But thank goodness you do.

Watching the painful transition of the modern Republican party into a Confederate revival movement poses philosophical questions about human progress; we have already conceded so much that took decades, indeed centuries, to establish.  It was ever thus, I suppose; still...  One despairs.

The greatest comfort I have had lately was a quote from Camus, "You must imagine Sisyphus happy."  Heh.  I guess.

Yes. Sisyphus... (2.00 / 4)
But I think one can combine optimism with this endless struggle

Cynic: Oh dear. Don't tell me you're still trying to make the world a better place.

Sceptic: No. I'm just keep fighting to stop it getting worse.

The p***artist formerly known as 'Brit'

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I Think... (2.00 / 5)
That was Camus' point in his periphrastic, Gallic way of speaking.  But you remind me of a Yugoslavian proverb, "A pessimist thinks things can't get worse and an optimist believes they can."

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Not to sound silly or embarrassing of either of us (2.00 / 7)
but you are one of my heroes mate.

Every bit of amplification your voice gets and every bit of attention it gets feels like a victory to me.

The future is unwritten

I can't rec that (2.00 / 5)
Because I'm just doing what all of us do, when we get the chance. I just found a little space to stick up for the stuff all of us believe in. You have done too. And will again.

I can't rec it: but I'm touched. Support means everything, bruv

The p***artist formerly known as 'Brit'

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you + FOTHOM = (2.00 / 9)

Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey

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p.s. (2.00 / 8)
as the first recipient of this prez-tidge-us award, you are required to have this tattooed somewhere on your person (neck is always a good location choice).  srsly, it's in the moose charter we drafted up.  we sent you a copy of that, right?  

Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey

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Wow. I want to say 'I'd like to thank the Academy.... (2.00 / 4)
...and as for the tattoo...


Chuffed to bits

The p***artist formerly known as 'Brit'

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drip, drip, drip (2.00 / 7)
British Prime Minister David Cameron defended his embattled culture minister on Monday, saying he had seen no evidence he had acted improperly in a scandal over News Corp's failed attempt to take over British pay television operator BSkyB.

Cameron has resisted opposition demands for an immediate inquiry into the conduct of Culture Secretary Jeremy Hunt after allegations emerged of his close contacts with Rupert Murdoch's News Corp media empire.


A slew of emails released last week appeared to show Hunt's office as an enthusiastic supporter of the bid, contradicting his official role as an impartial judge of the deal's impact on media plurality. Murdoch withdrew the $12 billion bid in July.

In a dramatic exchange in parliament, opposition Labour party leader Ed Miliband asked Cameron why he had not started a probe into Hunt, who was responsible for overseeing the bid.

"The prime minister is defending the indefensible and he knows it. Protecting the culture secretary's job .... and we all know why," Miliband told Cameron, was sat next to Hunt throughout the raucous session.

"The culture secretary has to stay to protect the prime minister. The prime minister has shown today he is incapable of doing his duty, too close to a powerful few, out of touch with everyone else," Miliband added.

Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey

I'm saving up all of my schadenfreude (2.00 / 7)
to release it in one big deluge.  It's still possible that they'll pin it on a few lower level patsies and soldier on.  I want one of the top principals to fall.  Then I will let loose with an extended belly laugh.

The future is unwritten

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The Delicious Irony... (2.00 / 7)
Is that getting a dry hump from the Murdoch media king-making service is now the kiss of political death; at least in Britain.  Ailes must be feeling like a shag on a rock.

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It's the kiss of death (2.00 / 8)
Writing a Newsweek piece about Cameron and Rebekah Brooks' riding trips (on a knackered old police horse) - so much evasion going on there now it's incredible

Instead of the coolest parties to go to, News International have been reduced to pariah status.  

The p***artist formerly known as 'Brit'

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'not a fit person' (2.00 / 7)


The Culture Committee has voted along party lines (6-4) to declare Rupert Murdoch unfit to lead a British media company.

The Tories supported Moloch, I mean, Murdoch, and attacked the report as partisan.

The latter sounds like something that the Republicans in Congress would do.

The Inestimable Mr. Pierce... (2.00 / 6)
Weighs in:

Well, you got caught, and it's open season now, boss. The Department Of Justice is very interested in what may have happened on this side of the pond. Your best shot here may be to turn this thing into a culture-war squabble, another one of your mendacious us-against-the-world scuffles where The Man is trying to keep good, honest journos in their place. Given the success of your toy news network here, I wouldn't bet against you on that one. But, here's the thing, boss: The mirage is gone. You're a rich crook. That's all that's left.

Charles P Pierce - Poor Rupert Esquire 1 May 12

It's entertaining watching the Australian media tip-toeing through this minefield; they have to report it but you can tell it's like eating poisoned brussel sprouts to them.

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Sigh (2.00 / 6)
Only the faintest glimmer of action here:

Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (Crew) has written to the chairman of the Federal Communications Commission, Julius Genachowski, calling on the regulator to pull the plug on Rupert Murdoch's lucrative television licences on grounds of character.

The letter argues that the final report of the UK Commons culture, media and sport committee, which concluded that Murdoch was not fit to run a major international company, had implications for the US regulators that they had now to act upon.

Melanie Sloan, Crew's director, said that the Murdochs had clearly failed the character test that is embedded within US media law as it is within British. "If they are not passing the character standard under British law, it seems to me that they are not going to meet the character standard in America."

Ed Pilkington and Dominic Rushe - Rupert Murdoch's Fox broadcast licences targeted by US ethics group Guardian 1 May 12

Hmmm...  I wonder.

I plan on making a chart when Fox over the air channels come up (2.00 / 6)
Then I'll make a letter that is cut and paste the findings of the culture commission along with a paragraph about why I don't feel this criminal pirate lying evil organization deserves to sully American airwaves.  I will then pass that letter and the FCC address to 200 contacts I have in my Facebook family in hopes they'll send it and tell two friends.  I plan on doing this everytime a Fox station comes up for renewal.

"I honor the place in you where Spirit lives
I honor the place in you which is
of Love, of Truth, of Light, of Peace,
when you are in that place in you,
and I am in that place in me,
then we are One."  Namaste Friends!

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I doubt that the FCC will act... yet. (2.00 / 4)
It is certainly true that the FCC requires that its licensees have and maintain certain minimum character qualifications.

The governing FCC pronouncements are:

-- Policy Regarding Character Qualifications in Broadcast Licensing, 102 FCC 2d 1179 (1986), recon. granted in part, denied in part, 1 FCC Rcd 421 (1986), appeal dismissed sub nom. National Association for Better Broadcasting v. FCC, No. 86-1179 (D.C. Cir. June 11, 1987) (the 1986 Character Policy Statement).

-- the Policy Statement and Order, 5 FCC Rcd 3252, 55 Fed. Reg. 23082 (1990)
(the 1990 Character Policy Statement); and

-- the Memorandum Opinion and Order, 6 FCC Rcd 3448 (1991) (the 1991 Character Policy Statement).

All three of these documents discuss what is called Relevant Non-FCC Misconduct.

From the 1990 Character Policy Statement:

In the [1986] Character Policy Statement, we indicated that the Commission would concern itself with "misconduct which demonstrates the proclivity of an applicant or licensee to deal truthfully with the Commission and to comply with our rules and policies." 102 FCC 2d at
1190-91. We therein generally indicated that the Commission would consider only adjudicated:

(a) fraudulent representations to governmental units,

(b) criminal misconduct involving false statements or dishonesty, and

(c) broadcast related violations of antitrust or other laws dealing with

102 FCC 2d at 1195-1 197, 1200-1203.   However, upon further reflection, we believe a propensity to comply with the law generally is relevant to the Commission's public interest analysis. and that an applicant's or licensee's willingness to violate other laws, and, in particular, to commit felonies, also bears on our confidence that an applicant or licensee will conform to FCC rules and policies.

4. Thus, evidence of any conviction for misconduct constituting a felony  [n. 2] will be relevant to our evaluation of an applicant's or licensee's character, because all felonies are serious crimes, any conviction provides an indication
of an applicant's or licensee's propensity to obey the law.  We also recognize that not all convictions for serious crimes are equally probative. but, in the context of this Policy Statement, it is not necessary or appropriate to establish a "hierarchy" of felonies that may arise in individual cases.

5. While conviction for a felony raises questions of whether an applicant or licensee has the requisite propensity to obey the law. we continue to believe that there are mitigating factors that must be taken into consideration in
our deliberations. We will continue to look at the kinds of factors set forth in the [1986] Character Policy Statement in making determinations in particular cases, e.g., the willfulness of the misconduct, the frequency of the misconduct, the currentness of the misconduct, the seriousness of the misconduct, the nature of the participation (if any) of managers or owners, efforts made to remedy the wrong, overall record of compliance with FCC rules and policies, and rehabilitation. See 102 FCC 2d at 1227-29.

So, the key lesson to be drawn from this is that, to institute a revocation proceeding based on felonious conduct,, the FCC requires a criminal conviction after a full evidentiary trial which entails beyond-a-reasonable-doubt burden of proof, the right to cross examine witnesses, etc.

To my knowledge, no officers or directors of News Corp. have been so convicted, nor has News Corp. itself.

I don't think that the FCC will move against News Corp., at least not yet.

Even if there are criminal convictions, other questions then arise: were the convictions in U.S. courts, or U.K. Courts?  A conviction in an U.K. court may not carry the same weight as a conviction under U.S. law.  Also, even if there are criminal convictions, that does not mean, "case closed."  As the above-quoted language indicates, the FCC can take mitigating factors into account.

The main reason why I expect that the FCC will adhere to the contents of the Policy Statements is directly because of the highly political (polemical, really) nature of Fox News Channel's programming. (Of course, Fox News Channel and the Fox broadcast network are different animals, under common control.)

As can already be seen in the comments here:


the Righties will claim that going after Fox is simply an attempt to silence the sole media outlet that airs other than Liberal and pro-Democratic points of view.

I may expand this into a full-fledged diary.

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Interestingly... (2.00 / 3)
The "licensee" would technically be answerable to an FCC inquiry but a finding against them would do what?  Force them to take a minority share in the licensed enterprise?

This would make an interesting diary.

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There would be a couple of possibilities. (2.00 / 4)
1.  The FCC could simply revoke the authorizations.  The spectrum they occupy would then revert to the public domain, and the FCC would auction off the channels.  The FCC might well accept applications for authorizations from third parties to operate the facilities on an interim basis.

2.  The FCC could allow a distress sale, either of the stock in News Corp. held by the parties found to have authorized or condoned illegal activities (this would be a transfer of control), or of the authorizations and facilities themselves (this would be an assignment of licenses).

The Distress Sale Policy is an exception to the Jefferson Radio doctrine.  Under Jefferson Radio, a proposed assignor or transferor must still possess the basic character qualifications that the FCC requires licensees to possess and that the FCC found the licensee to possess when it acquired the licenses.

If the proposed assignor is found to lack those qualifications, then the assignor cannot assign, and will lose, its licenses.  The buyers under the Distress Sale policy had to be minority controlled.  In light of the Supreme Court's striking down of the FCC's minority-preferences policies, the traditional Distress Sale policy is of questionable viability.

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Fascinating (2.00 / 4)
Do write this up. Credit and ref gong free in my book!

The p***artist formerly known as 'Brit'

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The main practical reason for the Jefferson Radio doctrine is (2.00 / 4)
its deterrent effect.

"To permit a licensee to sell out from under a potential disqualification would significantly impair the Commission's ability to police and deter licensee misconduct."

Cellular System One of Tulsa, Inc., 102 FCC 2d 86 (1985),  citing Pass Word, Inc., 76 FCC 2d 465, 516 (1980), modified, 86 FCC 2d 437 (1981), aff'd sub nom., Pass Word, Inc. v. FCC, 673 F.2d 1363 (D.C. Cir. 1982).

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Holy Crap (2.00 / 5)
An oldie but I've got to admit that I seem to have lost the ability to remain aloof from some of this stuff (h/t Booman):

But nothing got people as riled as when [Bill Nye, the "Science Guy"] brought up Genesis 1:16, which reads: "God made two great lights -- the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars."

The lesser light, he pointed out, is not a light at all, but only a reflector.

At this point, several people in the audience stormed out in fury. One woman yelled "We believe in God!" and left with three children, thus ensuring that people across America would read about the incident and conclude that Waco is as nutty as they'd always suspected.

This story originally appeared in the Waco Tribune, but the newspaper has mysteriously pulled its story from the online version, presumably to avoid further embarrassment.

Morgan Matthew - Bill Nye Boo'd In Texas For Saying The Moon Reflects The Sun Think Atheist 21 Feb 09

For pity's sake folks, we've been there.  "Christianity" as we are coming to understand it in North America is a thinly veiled anti-intellectual cult of stupidity and excuses self-righteous ignorance informed by prejudice, xenophobia and selfish parochialism.

In other words (2.00 / 6)
the contemporary GOP.

If it were done when 'tis done, then 'twere well it were done subjunctively.

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yep (2.00 / 4)
"Christianity" as we are coming to understand it in North America is a thinly veiled anti-intellectual cult of stupidity and excuses self-righteous ignorance informed by prejudice, xenophobia and selfish parochialism.

i'd say that's exactly right

Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey

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"Christianity" as we are coming to understand it in North America (2.00 / 4)
makes the Baby Jesus cry.

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The best jesus story is found in The Man From Earth (2.00 / 3)
on Netflix, watch it.

"Buddha with a Hebrew accent." Gotta love it.

Been uber busy, off to Savannah for the ICSJWG this weekend to see about moving that planet thing around a little bit.

The ICS-ISAC is now a real thing, which is interesting.

Sean Paul McGurk is now Chief Policy Officer for ICS Cybersecurity, Inc. Fascinating man, about as solid and intelligent as the bio suggests.

John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."

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not an archaeologist on the roster... (2.00 / 3)
what kind of joint you runnin' over there?!?

Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey

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Oddly, your set of expertise is probably useful. (2.00 / 1)
But then, I have the feeling your skills are typically applied oddly... ;~)

The REN-ISAC us the research and educational branch of the public/private information sharing tree (it's more like coral, but the analogy breaks down...). The skills you and your colleagues have with formal sharing and disclosure of information is probably informative to the effort to figure out how to share all this cybersecurity information.

This next phase imho is more about academic social sciences than it is about technology. It will be interesting to see how it all works out.

John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."

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Ready to join the posse, hossy? (2.00 / 4)

Left to right in Savannah, Georgia this week at the ICSJWG Spring event: Me, Daniel Frey, brother Brad, and Jonathan Davis. 2/3 of ICS Cybersecurity, Inc.'s executive staff rock the porch at the Hyatt.

John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."

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Hey, Chris (2.00 / 2)
Tried to send you an email at, but it wouldn't go through. Is that email address no longer valid?

This is not a recession. It's a robbery.

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Domain transfer in fubar land (2.00 / 2) works until I get the oxygen to wrestle the domain demons to the ground.

All good in the world, Gandalf. I haven't gone back to that last thread yet, but out of mental horsepower restraints rather than disdain. I vented my vent, right or wrong, know you are a sage warlock of your own right not nearly (or at least "not quite" ;~) as prickled as the most literal interpretation, and are capable of reading my love for you inside that. Happy to hear you, forgive me as I prioritize rare clock cycles and just know that my friendship is made of sterner stuff than melts in such mild kilns.


John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."

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Mea culpa (2.00 / 4)
One of the benefits I've long appreciated about communicating online is that you can review your words before "speaking." This was one of those times when that didn't save me from making a fool of myself.

This is not a recession. It's a robbery.

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You may have beat me to it that time, (2.00 / 4)
but only that time.

My turn, next. ;~)

John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."

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awesome, you and brad look like judges at a surf contest (2.00 / 2)
where do i sign?

Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey

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When... (2.00 / 3)
Jesus does return he better stay the hell out of Texas.

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Not to mention Arizona (2.00 / 3)
Reminds me of a passage from a book by Lenny Bruce that I read as a teenager.  I think the title of the book was, "How to Talk Dirty and Influence People."

In the passage, Bruce writes about what might happen if Jesus shows up at Saint Patrick's Cathedral.  He's in the back, preaching his message.  Up in the sanctuary, Francis Cardinal Spellman and Biship Fulton J. Sheen are discussing how to handle the situation.  The NYPD is called and they escort Jesus out of the place for disturbing the peace.  

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Lenny Bruce... (2.00 / 2)
Said if Jesus came back today we would all be wearing little sterling silver electric chairs around our necks.

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Brooks and Spouse are charged with perverting justice (2.00 / 3)

HEH!  This brings me much joy.  Was this over the computer in the car park?  Ohhhh I knew there was some crap in that!!!  Good times Good times.

"I honor the place in you where Spirit lives
I honor the place in you which is
of Love, of Truth, of Light, of Peace,
when you are in that place in you,
and I am in that place in me,
then we are One."  Namaste Friends!


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