Coming Out Swinging

by: HappyinVT

Thu May 10, 2012 at 12:06:52 PM EDT



HappyinVT :: Coming Out Swinging
The Obama Campaign is out with a new ad contrasting the President's "Forward" position on marriage equality to Mitt Romney's backward thinking.  The spot even includes former Governor Bush to show that Romney is to the right of him.  This ad also shows that the President and the campaign aren't going to hide from this issue and that they are prepared.

During the ABC News interview the President says he had decided to make his position known before the Democratic National Convention but that Biden forced an earlier announcement:

"He probably got out a little over his skis, but out of generosity of spirit," Obama said in an interview that aired Thursday on ABC's "Good Morning America." "Would I have preferred to have done this in my own way on my own terms without, I think, there being a lot of notice to everybody? Of course. But all's well that ends well."

It's too early to know if this "ends well" politically for the President but the campaign seems to be banking on being on the right side of this issue.  With Romney having to defend his Right flank he'll have a really hard time not coming across as a flaming bigot.  And since Maggie Gallagher of NOM says her organization is determined to make marriage equality an issue during the election it may not fade into the sunset like Romney might wish it to.  Poor guy, every time he tries to focus on the economy the culture war jumps in.

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Coming Out Swinging | 40 comments
lulz (2.00 / 8)
politico, even:

President Barack Obama's embrace of same-sex marriage was viewed for so long as such a risky move that operatives in both parties expected it to drop like a bomb, handing Republicans a powerful wedge issue in an election year.

Instead, it's landed like a feather.

Top Republican officeholders went out of their way Thursday try to shift the conversation back to the economy. The GOP's House and Senate campaign committees practically ignored it. And prominent Republican strategists are warning the party to steer clear of it.

http://www.politico.com/news/s...

Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey
 


Meanwhile WaPo publishes a story today about how Rmoney (2.00 / 8)
bullied a classmate who was different and was suspected of being gay by having his posse hold him down while Mitt cut his hair.  While this was in 1965 (my birth year, fwiw) and I'm not entirely sure it is fair to judge anyone by what they did at the age of 18 his half-assed if-I-offended-anyone apology along with everything else we know about how Mitt appears to have zero empathy makes the story quite interesting.

To top it off, the Rmoney campaign tried to get other classmates to speak out about what a wonderful dude Mitt was and the guy who is credited with helping Mitt meet Ann refused to do so.  He even said that he and Mitt quit being "pals" awhile ago.  Even though Mitt still calls him his good friend.  When you cannot find anyone outside of the campaign to voluntarily speak on your behalf you have issues.

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette


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Very Damaging... (2.00 / 6)
That whole tale is a sorry saga and it plays into the larger perception of Mitt as entitled bully which emerged with the Bain Capital narrative; another news cycle crushed.

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Back in 2007... (2.00 / 8)
Someone remarked that Obama's opponents seem to succumb occasionally to the stiletto but no-one ever remembers seeing the knife.

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I saw a couple of tweets that apparently the merry prankster Mitt (2.00 / 8)
walked a blind teacher into a door according to #edshow.  Dude, was pretty hilarious back in the day.

I don't mind a good practical joke but Mitt's mean-spirited.

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette


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I understand this fits into the "douchebag" narrative and understand... (2.00 / 5)
... why it can hurt his campaign BUT I wouldn't want to be judged on what I did in high school. God knows I did my fair share of stupid stuff.  

Just because they are posting on a progressive site doesn't make them progressives. - John Allen

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Well......... (2.00 / 7)
Did you lead a pack of goons to gang up on an outcast kid and physically terrorize him?  Did you publicly humiliate a blind teacher by making him walk into a closed door when he trusted you to be opening it for him?  Did you laugh and laugh when you did stuff like that?

That goes beyond stupid kid stuff into a dark and twisted place.

Of course, it's excellent training for a vulture capitalist.

If it were done when 'tis done, then 'twere well it were done subjunctively.


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Heh. (2.00 / 2)
I'd rather not amswer those questions. :)

I'll just say although a bit over the top I've seen and heard about far worse. The big difference is that most stupid kids don't grow into equally stupid adults. I learned a lot that hard way and it kind of helps that my parents didn't think much of what I considered comedy.  

Just because they are posting on a progressive site doesn't make them progressives. - John Allen


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Yeah (2.00 / 6)
But I'd bet you'd remember doing something like this AND you'd give a much more sincere apology as an adult when asked about it.  Rmoney cannot even pretend to be sorry and that's a problem.

So. ... what kind of stuff did you do in high school?  Do tell.

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette


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I wasn't a bully but I did run with a rough crowd. (2.00 / 5)
We had a lot of fun with fire extinguishers and ceiling fans.


Just because they are posting on a progressive site doesn't make them progressives. - John Allen

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And look at you now ... Dr. Spiffy (2.00 / 5)
By the way, should I ask about wedding plans?

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette

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Going back to the hospital in July. Time to get that paper! (2.00 / 7)
Plans are awesome and I'm a few months away from (gulp) being married. Life is great right now and I can't complain. Everything happens so fast though. This "aging" and "time flies" thing I mean.

Just because they are posting on a progressive site doesn't make them progressives. - John Allen

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Most excellent! (2.00 / 4)
And wait until you're a week from your 47th birthday and you realize you are middle-aged; then you can't remember all the years since high school graduation.

But, of course, you'll have kids to remind you!!

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette


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holy shit (2.00 / 3)
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Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey
 


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lol! (2.00 / 3)
We want to wait  but everybody tellls me that it just happens. Getting preggers I mean.  

Just because they are posting on a progressive site doesn't make them progressives. - John Allen

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I assume you know how "it just happens" (2.00 / 5)
Or do you need one of teh fellas to explain it?  :P

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette

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Hey, Spiff (2.00 / 1)
What do you know about the UPR MD program? I'm looking for a primary care doctor and one in my insurance network got his MD from UPR. He has been an MD for almost 30 years, so where he went to school really isn't much of a factor in my decision, I'm just curious.  

This is not a recession. It's a robbery.

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It's an awesome school. (2.00 / 3)
With 30 years under his belt though I think work experience factors in a lof more than where he went to school. The "yupi" or "Ciencias Medicas" is always ranked as one of the best schools around.  

Just because they are posting on a progressive site doesn't make them progressives. - John Allen

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Me too, roughish crowd. (2.00 / 3)
I have been both bully and bullied at one time or another in my youth.  

Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey
 


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You are 16 and stoned out of your mind and this dude tricks the... (2.00 / 3)
... blind teacher into going in a closet. Wow.  

Just because they are posting on a progressive site doesn't make them progressives. - John Allen

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"Romnesia" (2.00 / 5)
A meme is born.

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also, fyi (2.00 / 6)
(AP) WINSTON-SALEM, N.C. - A lesbian who sought a North Carolina marriage license with her partner and was rejected under a state law banning same-sex marriage was arrested with another person Thursday after they refused to leave a government office where several gay and lesbian couples were turned away.

The civil disobedience followed a day after President Barack Obama publicly endorsed same-sex marriage, and two days after North Carolina voters overwhelmingly passed a constitutional amendment that defines marriage as solely between a man and a woman.

The protest came amid attempts by a gay rights group, Campaign for Southern Equality, to broaden public support to allow same-sex marriage and more protests are planned in coming days at other county offices in North Carolina that issue marriage licenses

Nine gay and lesbian couples each presented completed forms and identification to a clerk at the local Register of Deeds office in Winston-Salem, but were refused because state law recognizes only heterosexual couples.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-20...

Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey
 


Missed the entire news cycle. (2.00 / 8)
So, Obama doesn't hate teh gays, now? ;~)

I gather he has publicly endorsed same-sex marriage, if I understand the political news my most trusted source (you folks) is delivering.

The idea that Obama was "against" gay couples (or anything found along any possible tangent) has always been ridiculous. Shows poorly, perhaps, that some of the more strident leftians ever thought so.

Seems like a masterful political move, which is what the president is particularly skillful at. Taking the stand in 2008 would have been unnecessarily and unproductively risky, both for his own political career as well as possibly the issue itself. Instead, he takes the opportunity to execute on the topic when it is possible to actually have success.

Shocked. Shocked I am. ;~)

John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."


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Another Romney the sociopath story (2.00 / 4)
Here's a charming story Mitt tells (in Newsmax, that liberal rag) about his first encounter with his future wife:

Mitt first met the beautiful daughter of the mayor of Bloomfield Hills, Mich., at a party given by classmate Cindy White. It was March 21, 1965, just before Ann's 16th birthday. She was a sophomore at the Kingswood, a private school for girls. He was a senior at Cranbrook, its affiliated all-boy school.

The Beatles and the Rolling Stones were playing on 45 rpm records. Mitt saw her across the room. He remembered that when he was a Cub Scout in elementary school, he and some other scouts saw Ann riding a horse bareback across a railroad track.

"What do Cub Scouts do when they see a little girl on a horse?" Mitt says now. "We picked up stones and threw them [at her]."

[Emphasis added.]

Here's the thing: It may or may not be obvious to the average person that throwing rocks at a horse being ridden across railroad tracks, with or without a saddle, is a dumb and dangerous thing to do. Mitt himself rides, so he definitely would be aware of that. At Cub Scout age? It's jerk behavior, and somehow I doubt that any and every Cub Scout would choose that as their default reaction, but I'll give him a pass on that; lots of little boys do jerkish things. But he's telling the story as an adult, without a whisker of remorse or recognition that it was dumb and dangerous; no, it's just a charming funny story.  And one has to wonder:  which among that pack of boys picked up and hurled the first stone?

By itself? As irrelevant as Mitt's defenders insist the haircut story is. As part of an emerging pattern about Romney's character? Another brick in the wall.  

If it were done when 'tis done, then 'twere well it were done subjunctively.


I was coming to post this about the bullying incident: (2.00 / 4)
... about the hair-cutting story. When Mitt was asked about it, he said he did not "recall the incident."

This puts a whole new spin on things. The idea that Romney could have absolutely no recollection of this event is way more shocking than the incident itself. Did he engage in this sort of behavior so often that things just sort of ran together?

I don't believe he's that lacking in feeling. So I propose that we give him the benefit of the doubt and agree that he is lying through his teeth.

Yes! And, honestly, it's a good bet. We have seen far less evidence of Romney as a guy with a mean streak than of Romney as a robotic campaigner who finds it impossible to speak in an open, unprogrammed manner - particularly about any incident that makes him look bad. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05...

Gail Collins, the author of the piece, seems to think it is more a case that Rmoney cannot admit to past mistakes and I was inclined to go along with that until your quote reminded me that there are more than one or two instances of cruel behavior.  This isn't about some victimless crime like smashing school windows or setting off fire alarms.  Every incident is about potentially hurting someone or something (like a horse or a dog).

And I really don't want to go all Dr. Frist on Rmoney but does he have Aspergers or some other medical/mental condition that prevents him from feeling empathy?  Or is he just a raging asshole who gets his jollies being mean to others different/less fortunate?  Either way, he's unfit to be president.

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette


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Indeed (2.00 / 5)
The more I mull over this, straight from the Mittster's mouth:

"What do Cub Scouts do when they see a little girl on a horse?" Mitt says now. "We picked up stones and threw them [at her]."

the more it bothers me.  Does the mature man really believe that the first instinct of a boy, any boy, every boy, in such circumstances is to act like that?  To seek to inflict pain, to frighten, to laugh at another living being's distress?  To see nothing wrong with it?

Yeesh.

I posted this also in a thread at the Straight Dope about the haircut assault, and drew this response:

Indeed. As has been said, pretty much all of us have done stuff as kids that we are not particularly proud of.

When I tell a story about one of these times, I usually tell it as a cautionary tale, with emphasis on what I learned from it. Mitt seems to tell them as amusing stories, and one gets the impression that he learned nothing from it.

And I've known quite a few scouts during my time as a leader. I can't think of a single one of them who would throw rocks at a horse with a rider on it. And if they did, none of them would think it was an amusing story to tell others about later. They would know that it was wrong.



If it were done when 'tis done, then 'twere well it were done subjunctively.

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Hmmm... (2.00 / 4)
From the inestimable Mr Pierce:


I can only wonder what kind of person I'd be if the stone of cruelty in my heart was subject not to the slow trickle of conscience but rather to my sense of ambition and entitlement - to those jewelers of the self who, beholding the stone, declared it a gem, precious and hard, of inestimable worth in the bazaars of business and politics, and set it for my presidential ring.

Charles P Pierce A Bully Never Forgets. Unless That Bully Is Mitt Romney. Esquire

Tragic, political blank verse.  A dirge for all we believe in and know to be right.


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Whoops... (2.00 / 3)
Wrongly attributed to Mr Pierce that was actually Tom Junod.  My bad.

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putting aside the fact (2.00 / 3)
that Mitt is again being proved an ass as a kid.  Who writes that they were listening to "45 rpm records"

I know that's what they are technically called but most normal people call them records or 45s.

"These are hard times, not end times." - Jon Stewart


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hahahahahahahaha (2.00 / 5)
Also:  Hee!

Romney as "The Demon Barber of Wall Street":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

If it were done when 'tis done, then 'twere well it were done subjunctively.


ha! that's awesome. (2.00 / 5)


Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey
 


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Totally OT (2.00 / 1)
I'm 99.8% convinced Portman (OH) is going to be Romney's VP choice.

Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey
 


I just read that Politico's sources are saying Rmoney wants (2.00 / 3)
a "boring white guy."  Portman seems to fit that bill.

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette

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asdf/fyi (2.00 / 2)
Despite growing momentum for Sen. Rob Portman (R-Ohio) as a possible vice presidential candidate, a new poll shows the senator would do little to boost Mitt Romney's chances in his home state, crucial to the Republican nominee's chances in November.

According to a new poll from Quinnipiac University, a Romney-Portman ticket would be deadlocked in Ohio against the Obama-Biden campaign, with each side garnering 45 percent of the electorate. That's virtually unchanged from current polling in the state, which shows the president with a statistically insignificant 45-44 percent lead.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-...

As for that tight Quinnipiac poll, well, 'the hill' would pick that one.  PPP has O+7.

Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey
 


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Just as Rubio doesn't seem to help Rmoney in Florida, either. (2.00 / 2)
At some point the campaign's going to figure out it's the guy at the top, not the VP candidate, that folks don't like.

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette

[ Parent ]
Rmoney wants a boring white guy. (2.00 / 4)
Will such a selection result in a critical mass of Borium?

[ Parent ]
Followed by (2.00 / 3)
Collapse into a white dwarf?

If it were done when 'tis done, then 'twere well it were done subjunctively.

[ Parent ]
A "flip-flopper" for the right reason? (2.00 / 4)
A well-known, openly gay supporter of Mitt Romney in New York has decided to withdraw his support for Romney and back President Barack Obama instead.

snip

White said: "I'm looking at the television screen one day and I see my president - whether I'm Republican or Democrat, he is my president...and I'm looking at him doing one thing, one day. And two days later, I'm looking at a guy who I'm supporting for president, and who I want to be my president and who I've given my money to, to be president, saying something I didn't think he would be saying." [In reference to Rmoney's commencement address at Liberty University.]

snip

"Now, I feel like he's declared war on my marriage. And I could just sit back and not say anything. Or I could do something about it. And I've chosen to do something about it." http://politicalticker.blogs.c...  

Unfortunately, the article also mentions that at least one black pastor has decided he cannot support the President because of his stance on marriage equality.  Based on how the President and the campaign are not shying away from the subject it seems they believe the backlash against his stance by former supporters will not hurt his re-election overmuch.

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette


OT- Is not the dumbest thing you've ever read (2.00 / 5)
I've read some dumb ass things at DailyKos, but this is the dumb assed of them all;

 It's all about Europe (1+ / 0-)
President Obama and his Treasury team were wrong to insist on the integrity of the Eurozone 18 months ago.  The Eurozone, when created, was destined to fail.  It's always been a question of when.  

Had it failed 18 months ago, Europe would today be booming, and President Obama comfortably ahead.

First of all, what difference does it make what Obama says about the Eurozone, its an entirely different continent. Second of all, does anyone really think had it failed in November 2010, we'd all be peaches and cream right now, Europe would be booming and President Obama would be "comfortably ahead"



If Tom Brady would listen to me (2.00 / 3)
he'd throw 1,000 TD's per game, and there's no way he'd have knocked up that supermodel.

everyone's a psychic, and everyone's a expert.  especially at GOS.

Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey
 


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