What's Wrong with America

by: fogiv

Mon Jul 09, 2012 at 14:09:34 PM EDT



There's plenty wrong, but this is in my craw today: People who think that the poor and middle class are too ignorant to think for themselves.

filthy rich

Exhibit P:

The line of Range Rovers, BMWs, Porsche roadsters and one gleaming cherry red Ferrari began queuing outside of Revlon Chairman Ronald Perelman's estate off Montauk Highway long before Romney arrived, as campaign aides and staffers in white polo shirts emblazoned with the logo of Perelman's property -- the Creeks -- checked off names under tight security.

A New York City donor a few cars back, who also would not give her name, said Romney needed to do a better job connecting. "I don't think the common person is getting it," she said from the passenger seat of a Range Rover stamped with East Hampton beach permits. "Nobody understands why Obama is hurting them.

"We've got the message," she added. "But my college kid, the baby sitters, the nails ladies -- everybody who's got the right to vote -- they don't understand what's going on. I just think if you're lower income -- one, you're not as educated, two, they don't understand how it works, they don't understand how the systems work, they don't understand the impact."

Exhibit Q:

A woman in a blue chiffon dress poked her head out of a black Range Rover here on Sunday afternoon and yelled to an aide to Mitt Romney. "Is there a V.I.P. entrance? We are V.I.P." ....

A few cars back, Ted Conklin, the owner of the American Hotel in Sag Harbor, long a favorite of the Hamptons' well-off and well-known, could barely contain his displeasure with Mr. Obama. "He is a socialist. His idea is find a problem that doesn't exist and get government to intervene," Mr. Conklin said from inside a gold Mercedes, as his wife, Carol Simmons, nodded in agreement.

These people spent more on dinner than I make in a year. Look, I'm a capatalist (mostly), but SRSLY? Since Romney's money has more foreign policy experience than he does, shouldn't he be Running for President of the Caymans?  

fogiv :: What's Wrong with America
Per 'teh wiki':

A snob is someone who believes that some people are inherently inferior to him or her for any one of a variety of reasons, including real or supposed intellect, wealth, education, ancestry, class, taste, beauty, nationality, etcetera. Often, the form of snobbery reflects the snob's personal attributes. For example, a common snobbery of the affluent is the belief that wealth is either the cause or result of superiority, or both.

Popular etymology holds that "snob" comes from "sine nobilitate" or "sans noblesse" meaning "without nobility"; however this is incorrect.

Snobbery existed even in mediaeval feudal aristocratic Europe, when the clothing, manners, language and tastes of every class were strictly codified by customs or law. Chaucer, a poet moving in the court circles, noted the provincial French spoken by the Prioress among the Canterbury pilgrims:

And French she spoke full fair and fetisly
After the school of Stratford atte Bowe,
For French of Paris was to her unknowe.

We've got a Snob constituency in this country, to be sure, and they'd like nothing more than to elect one of their own to the Presidency. Well, what do you all have to say about that?

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...and an update from my neck o'woods: (2.00 / 5)
WASHINGTON -- From facilitating energy development to managing America's public lands for tourism and outdoor recreation to assisting Indian tribes with education and economic growth, the activities of the Department of the Interior contributed $385 billion to the U.S. economy and supported more than 2 million jobs in 2011, according to a new report released today.

"The Interior Department has a uniquely diverse mission that benefits the American people by promoting tourism, outdoor recreation, energy development and other economic activities that fuel local economies," said Secretary of the Interior Ken Salazar. "This report underscores that there are real, lasting impacts on communities and small businesses across the country where Interior is helping to strengthen economies and support families."

The report, The Department of the Interior's Economic Contributions, highlights the impacts of the Department's broad mission, including land and water management; energy and mineral development on public lands; encouraging tourism and outdoor recreation at national parks, monuments and refuges; wildlife conservation, hunting and fishing; support for American Indian tribal communities and Insular Areas; and scientific research and innovation.

Prepared by Interior's Office of Policy Analysis, today's report underscores the findings of other studies on the economic impacts of Interior Department lands and programs. For example, an earlier study found that recreation in national parks, refuges, and other public lands alone led to nearly $47 billion in economic contribution and 388,000 jobs in 2010.

http://www.doi.gov/news/pressr...

Damn that big ol' evil gubmint!

Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey
 


Sometimes a family invests to increase it's resources. (2.00 / 2)
...

"Conway, whom experience had taught that rudeness was by no means a guarantee of good faith, was even less inclined to regard a well-turned phrase as a proof of insincerity."  James Hilton, Lost Horizon

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If you've got a nickel to spare, toss it in the bucket, plz. (2.00 / 3)
U.S. Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney raised $106 million in June, far surpassing President Barack Obama's $71 million haul in the record-setting money race leading to the November 6 election.

Romney's fundraising mark, announced by his campaign on Monday, is the best monthly total so far in the 2012 presidential campaign. It is another sign that Romney and his allies are on course to wash away any cash advantage that Obama, as an incumbent president, typically would enjoy in a bid for re-election.

Romney's effort is being fueled largely by big-money donors who have poured cash into his campaign, the Republican National Committee's election funds and independent "Super PACs," or political action committees, that support Republicans.

http://www.reuters.com/article...

Teh LULZ quote, from same article:

"This month's fundraising is a statement from voters that they want a change of direction in Washington," said Spencer Zwick, Romney's finance chief.

But the figures released by Romney's campaign indicated that nearly 80 percent of the total for June came from just 6 percent of the donations it received - meaning that big-money donors are driving most of the campaign's effort.



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Yet (and it is still early) the advantage POTUS holds in several (2.00 / 5)
swing states remains.  PPP previewed its VA poll coming out on July 10th with a "it's looking good of POTUS" tweet.  It also appears that the Bain ads are working in OH and elsewhere.  I also have to think that the early OFA field office push will pay off in the long run.  They've had more offices open sooner in most, if not all, states.  The cash flow situation worries me a bit but then I think of Meg Whitman who threw away all kinds of money in 2010 only to lose.  On the other hand, the GOP SuperPACs may decide to throw the money at down-ticket races and then ... look out.  Although I would like to know how many people do not vote straight ticket.

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette

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oh yeah, and i think those leads hold mostly (minimum) (2.00 / 4)
i'd like to see O's fundraising increase all the same -- it helps the fucking stupid media narrative.  i'm not complacent, but i'm not concerned either.  overall the trajectory looks good.  I think obama's on track for 320+ EVs.

i'm sick of the punditry, the stoopid media narrative.  obama habitually defies conventional wisdom.  so much so, that the horserace junk in the news looks all but scripted to me.

Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey
 


[ Parent ]
I would... (2.00 / 4)
...take out the "all but", myself.

If it were done when 'tis done, then 'twere well it were done subjunctively.

[ Parent ]
I'm trying to diversify (2.00 / 3)
A little to OFA, a little to Priorities USA (I like their attack ads).

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Don't forget: we need to take care of the engines of the economy ... (2.00 / 4)
The Zambrellis scoffed at attempts by the Democrats-who mocked Romney in an ad Sunday as "great for oil billionaires, bad for the middle class"-to wage class warfare.  "Would you like to hear about the fundraisers I went to for him?" Sharon Zambrelli said of Obama. "Do you have an hour? ... All the ones in the city-it was all of Wall Street."

"It's not helping the economy to pit the people who are the engine of the economy against the people who rely on that engine," Michael Zambrelli said as the couple waited in their SUV for clearance into the Creeks shortly after the candidate's motorcade flew by and entered the pine-tree lined estate. "He's basically been biting the hand that fed him in '08. ... I would bet 25% of the people here were supporters of Obama in '08. And they're here now." http://www.balloon-juice.com/2...  

Someone googled Mr. Zambrelli and apparently he runs an ad agency whose claim to fame is updating the Chuck E. Cheese brand:

And what is Michael Zambrelli's greatest achievement in life? Well, he is the man who helped to rebrand Chuck E. Cheese from a teenager forced into wearing a moth-eaten rat costume reeking of sweat, old cheese and minimum wage while entertaining packs of feral children eating slightly warm cardboard and ketchup-flavored pizza when they're not cavorting in one of those Ball Pits of Childhood Diseases  into a  backwards-hat-wearing "hip, electric-guitar-playing rock star" just like Scott Stapp but with less Jesus. http://tbogg.firedoglake.com/2...  

You would think that a guy whose job it is to separate people from their money would want said people to, you know, have money from which to be separated.  But I'm "common" so I don't know how things work.

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette


I see am opening for the Democrats. (2.00 / 5)
Maybe not the "Progressives", but certainly the Democrats.

You know what they used to call those blue-collar pontoon-ridin' bluegrass-playing Christian good-ole-boys, right?

That's right: Democrats.

The whole post-Gingrich Tea Party Citizen's United spasm is not necessarily a big vote-getter I think many see it as. The trend is towards corporate interests not down-home interests. The gap between the optical messaging of Romney and the daily realities of the average voter are stark now more than usual.

The risk is that the Democrats will listen to the Progressives and pedantically belabor how awful everyone east of Berkley or south of Greenwich Village are Hateful Racist Zealots. This is the same wedge the Right used to own that demographic already.

Optimistic of me to think the Left could be that in control of itself, but Obama is a savvy player. We will see.

"Conway, whom experience had taught that rudeness was by no means a guarantee of good faith, was even less inclined to regard a well-turned phrase as a proof of insincerity."  James Hilton, Lost Horizon


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I like how Exhibit P mentions 'right to vote' (2.00 / 3)
you know, 'cause it's obviously undeserved.  asshole.

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Spot on man (2.00 / 5)
Its silly season again. Did you hear George Will this week?

paraphrasing "The left needs to understand the difference between weather and climate. Its just hot."  

That's actually progress if you ask me. All the best man.  


Miss you Bro (2.00 / 3)
We gotta hang soon.

Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey
 


[ Parent ]
I think it's time for partition (2.00 / 3)
Yeah.  I mean it.  When the President of the United States is opposed in suggesting that a significant bi-partisan majority act on the 98% area of agreement on tax policy and meets with this kind of animus, I just don't think there is anywhere to go.  We've got an entire wing of the electorate that is so averse to compromise, either because of ideological fanaticism and blindness or partisan zealotry, we have a non-functioning republic.  

'Pakistan' means land of the pure.  So let's allow all of the purists have their own country.  Let them elect Ted Nugent as their head of state, Michelle Bachmann as Secretary of State, Paul Ryan as Treasurer, put Tom Tancredo in charge of the Interior, Clarence Thomas as Chief Justice and Jim DeMint as everything else.  They don't recognize the rest of us as 'American' anyway.

The future is unwritten


there really is a mass self-induced alternate reality. (2.00 / 4)
This is what it looks like when Karl Rove panics:

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion...

Today, however, Mr. Obama is running behind his 2008 performance in these battlegrounds, as his two-point lead over Mr. Romney there is actually seven points less than his 2008 margin over Mr. McCain.

This all points to a defeat this year for Mr. Obama in many (if not most) of the battleground states.

It doesn't matter that Rove is comparing numbers from completely different points along completely different timelines. Don't sweat that. The salient point is that Obama may actually lose to his 2008 self. Ergo, Romney wins!!!!!!!!

We're doomed!*
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I can't believe people pay this shithead with real money.

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[ Parent ]
Is that the presiding opinion in Left Blogvalia? (2.00 / 3)
I can understand. All Obama need to do is run on Real Progressive Principles and he is bound to win (or fail on principled grounds, which is better).

Of course he does.

"Conway, whom experience had taught that rudeness was by no means a guarantee of good faith, was even less inclined to regard a well-turned phrase as a proof of insincerity."  James Hilton, Lost Horizon


[ Parent ]
Let's start with abolishing the filibuster (2.00 / 2)
I realize that this is a double-edged sword, but it has completely destroyed the ability of Congress to act.  I'm willing to put up with bad Republican legislation in the future as a result - anything that is truly horrible can be repealed, anyway.

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There's got to be a way to reform it, right? (0.00 / 0)
in a perfect better world... couldn't it be retained, with new rules preventing it's blatant abuse?

I dunno.

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[ Parent ]
Eliminate it. (2.00 / 1)
Won't happen.

Should.

"Conway, whom experience had taught that rudeness was by no means a guarantee of good faith, was even less inclined to regard a well-turned phrase as a proof of insincerity."  James Hilton, Lost Horizon


[ Parent ]
yeah (2.00 / 1)
my pop followed/studied/taught US government for 40 years.  he votes shitcan too.  

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[ Parent ]
We tax income, not people (2.00 / 4)
Tomasky has an excellent piece out this morning:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/a...

Obama needs to go all in on this, and the caucus/party needs to back him up.  A few to many times, on signature issues, Obama has pushed something that is sound policy and politics, made the case, then stepped back.  This time he needs to commit.  One of Tomasky's points is that the Dems have allowed the right to misrepresent the debate over tax cuts.  They claim that Obama wants to raise taxes on people making over $250,000, which is divisive class warfare that will hinder small business job creators.  Wrong on several points:

1. Allowing temporary tax cuts to expire is not the same as raising taxes.  It's not a "massive tax hike."

2. Allowing the expiration of tax cuts on income over $250K will affect 3% of small businesses, (much of which will be offset by the ACA's subsidies for providing small business employees with health ensurance).  Gotta make this connection.

3. Obama's proposal isn't divisive.  It's a tax cut for ALL AMERICANS.  It's not that people making over $250K are being singled out.  It isn't 'soak the rich' class warfare.  It's a cut on tax rates for INCOME under $250K.  Yep.  That's right.  Mitt Romney, Charles and David Koch, Warren Buffet, Bill Gates, Jeffrey Katzenberg, Sheldon Adelson, George Soros, Jamie Dimon, Lloyd Blankfein, Hank Paulson, Sam Walton's descendants, Steve Jobs' estate, and everyone else will continue to receive the tax break on income under $250K.  It's a tax cut on that first $250K, not on people earning under $250K (which would still not qualify as class warfare, just part of a progressive [speaking technically here and not just politically] tax system).  In fact, misrepresenting this is a form of class warfare.  Misrepresenting this is divisive.  All Americans will continue to keep more of what they earn up to $250K, ditch diggers and dishwashers and derivative peddlers alike.

The future is unwritten


...or...as Robert Reich, who actually knows something about economics puts it (2.00 / 3)
To hear the media report it, President Obama is proposing a tax increase on wealthy Americans. That's misleading at best. He's proposing that everyone receive a continuation of the Bush tax cuts on the first $250,000 of their incomes. Any dollars they earn in excess of $250,000 will be taxed at the old Clinton-era rates.

Get it? Everyone is treated exactly the same. Everyone gets a one-year extension of the Bush tax cut on the first $250,000 of income. No "class warfare."

Yet regressive Republicans want Americans to believe differently. The editorial writers of the Wall Street Journal say the president wants to extend the Bush tax cuts only "for some taxpayers." They urge House Republicans to extend the Bush tax cuts for "everyone" and thereby put Senate Democrats on the spot by "forcing them to choose between extending rates for everyone and accepting Mr. Obama's tax increase."

Pure demagoguery.

Regressives also want Americans to think the president's proposal would hurt "tens of thousands of job-creating businesses," as the Journal puts it.

More baloney.

A small business owner earning $251,000 would pay the Bush rate on the first $250,000 and the old Clinton rate on just $1,000.

Congress's Joint Tax Committee estimates that in 2013 about 940,000 taxpayers would have enough business income to break through the $250,000 ceiling -- and, again, they'd pay additional taxes only on dollars earned above $250,000.

All told, less than 3 percent of small business owners would even reach the $250,000 threshold.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...



The future is unwritten

lulz (2.00 / 2)
so uh, did the romney team actually think his gab before the NAACP would go well?

Mitt Romney found himself on the receiving end of a loud chorus of boos when he promised to repeal health care reform during a speech before the NAACP.

"If our goal is jobs, we have to stop spending over a trillion dollars more than we take in every year. So to do that, I'm going to eliminate every non-essential, expensive program I can find. That includes Obamacare, and I'm going to work to reform and save -- " Romney said, being interrupted by boos.

video too: http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com...

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Nah (2.00 / 5)
It was just a photo op that helps him with middle class independents, both reassuring African Americans among them and centrists with white guilt that he sees and cares about black people.  It's not a real attempt to corral meaningful black support.  It just checks an obligation off the list so we can't say "he doesn't even recognize black America."  Reading the phone book up there would have served the same purpose.

The future is unwritten

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yeah but... (2.00 / 2)
Reading the phone book up there would have served the same purpose.

that he didn't do basically what you advise goes to show what a shitty candidate he is.  instead of checking the box, he managed to get himself boo'd.  what a clown.  

Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey
 


[ Parent ]
fascinating (2.00 / 3)
Avis Jones-DeWeever, the executive director of the National Council of Negro Women, said Romney had accomplished a "calculated political ploy" by signaling to conservatives that he's willing to tell backers of the health law that he wants to cut it.

"That was like a victory lap on Fox News," she said. "That was exactly what he went there intending to do."

Critics in Obama's camp charged immediately after the speech that Romney planned to be booed in an effort to charge up Republican voters.

"I believe he included that part of the speech intentionally," Atlanta Mayor Kasim Reed said. "And I think the audience responded appropriately."

Reed, on a conference call organized by the Democratic National Committee after Romney's speech, accused Romney of staging a "political stunt" that was aimed more at Republicans who weren't in the room.

"He wasn't speaking to the NAACP audience at all," Reed said. "To his base it will make him look strong, but he never stands up to anybody else."

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics...

Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey
 


[ Parent ]
Romney told Fox News they thought he might be booed. (2.00 / 3)
But it also says he really doesn't care about how people see him and that he has no intention of working with anyone other than the base.  He had no response for the boos because he didn't care.  Expected or not his direct pivot to a CoC quote just shows he doesn't care.  Although, I think it is too inside baseball for most folks and I doubt it will sway too many people when it is all said and done.

I thought the interesting thing he said was that he wanted to represent everyone, including LGBT but not five minutes later he swore to uphold the sanctity of marriage (to I believe the most applause he got).  Reconcile those two positions.

And now the NAACP told Ed Schultz that Romney FLEW black folks in to clap for him.

Lastly, this is hysterical ... http://colorlines.com/archives...  Has Romney fail all over it.

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette


[ Parent ]
Romney at a fundraiser tonight per Zeke Miller ... (2.00 / 3)
Romney on NAACP booing: "That's ok, I want people to know what [where?] I stand & and if I don't stand for what they want, go vote for someone else"

Take it or leave it ... or "fuck you."  He cannot be bothered to understand where anyone else is coming from.  Because he can't.

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette


[ Parent ]
And then there's this ... (2.00 / 3)
Mitt Romney had this remarkable message for the members of the NAACP who booed him when he told them he'd repeal the Affordable Care Act:

   Remind them of this, if they want more stuff from government tell them to go vote for the other guy - more free stuff. But don't forget nothing is really free. http://leanforward.msnbc.msn.c...  

'Cause we all know those cadillac-driving, welfare queens just vote for the free stuff.

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette


[ Parent ]
holy shit (2.00 / 1)
he actually said that.  in english.  out loud.

asshole.

Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey
 


[ Parent ]
I was wondering why he was there at all. (2.00 / 3)
Now I know.

"Conway, whom experience had taught that rudeness was by no means a guarantee of good faith, was even less inclined to regard a well-turned phrase as a proof of insincerity."  James Hilton, Lost Horizon

[ Parent ]
Somehow I don't think the independents he needs are going to (2.00 / 3)
think well of him for this.

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette

[ Parent ]
I'm one of them. (2.00 / 2)
I'm not impressed.

"Conway, whom experience had taught that rudeness was by no means a guarantee of good faith, was even less inclined to regard a well-turned phrase as a proof of insincerity."  James Hilton, Lost Horizon

[ Parent ]
btw, concur (2.00 / 4)
"That tells me all I need to know now about Mitt Romney, who at first I believed is just disconnected," Taylor said. "Now I know his problem is much bigger than that."


Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey
 


[ Parent ]
So basically (2.00 / 4)
if you are white and hateful, I'll say anything you want me to here and stand up for anything that is scrawled on your appallingly hyperbolic placards, but it you are black I'm a man of principal who refuses to blow with the political winds.

At least he's consistent in for whom he will flip flop.

Lately, his stump speech includes reference to Bain Capital, to which he was recruited by a highly connected mega-millionaire financier with the monopoly name of William Worthington Bain Jr. in part because of his own family name and connections in the following manner: "So, I went out and started a little business and it did well.  We created jobs in our company and in some of the companies we worked with."

Now here is the kicker of a stat:  Number of investment professionals at Bain who were black = ...wait for it...yep, just what you think...not 8 or 2, but...0!

You know, the lens of gender is obscuring the figure his candidacy most recalls.  He's Tracy Flick in a suit.  

The future is unwritten


[ Parent ]
OMFG (2.00 / 3)

Angel Vanas

That's correct, he doesn't. The country is getting a little tired of all you hyphenated Americans anyway.

Really?! The only real Americans here, live on, or have family who lives on reservations. If you're white, and I'm sure you are, you're a European-American.
#12.2 - Thu Jul 12, 2012 9:28 AM EDT


Comment author avatarXEPTDX

you're a European-American.

Nope. Sorry....I'm an American of German descent.
#12.3 - Thu Jul 12, 2012 9:43 AM EDT


Comment author avatarNoelle1

Nope. Sorry....I'm an American of German descent.

Dear Americans, Germany is no longer located in Europe.



If it were done when 'tis done, then 'twere well it were done subjunctively.

[ Parent ]
Oops (2.00 / 3)
Meant to say that was from the comments here:
http://leanforward.msnbc.msn.c...

If it were done when 'tis done, then 'twere well it were done subjunctively.

[ Parent ]
OT / Awesome (2.00 / 5)
Stone spearheads and human DNA found in Oregon caves, anthropologists say, have produced firmer evidence that these are the oldest directly dated remains of people in North America. They also show that at least two cultures with distinct technologies - not a single one, as had been supposed - shared the continent more than 13,000 years ago.

In other words, the Clovis people, long known for their graceful, fluted projectile points, were not alone in the New World. The occupants of Paisley Caves, on the east side of the Cascade Range, near the town of Paisley, left narrow-stemmed spear points shaped by different flaking techniques. These hunting implements are classified as the Western Stemmed Tradition, previously thought to be younger than the Clovis technology.

The new research, based on the recent discovery of the artifacts and more refined radiocarbon dating tests, established that the cave dwellers who made the Western Stemmed points overlapped or possibly preceded the Clovis artisans elsewhere, the scientists reported in a paper published online Thursday by the journal Science.

"These two distinct technologies were parallel developments, not the product of a unilinear technological evolution," the research team, led by Dennis L. Jenkins of the University of Oregon, concluded in the report. "The colonization of the Americas involved multiple technologically divergent, and possibly genetically divergent, founding groups."

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07...

Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey
 


You're right. (2.00 / 3)
And these of course are the groups that survived long enough and/or were lucky enough to leave artifacts where they would be found. It seems likely that there were other earlier waves before either.

"Conway, whom experience had taught that rudeness was by no means a guarantee of good faith, was even less inclined to regard a well-turned phrase as a proof of insincerity."  James Hilton, Lost Horizon

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quite possibly, yes. (2.00 / 4)
I'm most interested in the now submerged coastlines of western north and south america.  great (and more ancient) discoveries lie waiting there, imo.

Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey
 


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Man, I LOVE (2.00 / 4)
our archaeology moments!!!

The future is unwritten

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paleo moment: (2.00 / 4)
yesterday, a fisherman in nevada called in a mammoth.  we've got a guy going to have a look-see on monday.  

Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey
 


[ Parent ]
North American mega fauna of the last epoch kicks ass. (2.00 / 2)
Saber tooth lions mammoth and short nosed bears, oh my!

I am very interested in preserved mammoth DNA. Lots of that frozen up in the arctic both here and in Russia.

Agree about the shoreline, as well. We know what we know, we can see where there were folks for certain, but we don't know what we cannot see.

However.

It seems to me that the most likely scenario for North American colonization unfolds over longer - perhaps much longer - timescales. No single event, but a more realistic aggregate effect of groups until final habitation in some pre-clovis period. I seem to recall some hints of shoreline cultures in South America dating more than twice as far back as Clovis, and that appeals to my sense of reason.

But whadda I know?  

"Conway, whom experience had taught that rudeness was by no means a guarantee of good faith, was even less inclined to regard a well-turned phrase as a proof of insincerity."  James Hilton, Lost Horizon


[ Parent ]
Me too. (2.00 / 2)
Some of my favorite Moosings are not about current events, at all.

"Conway, whom experience had taught that rudeness was by no means a guarantee of good faith, was even less inclined to regard a well-turned phrase as a proof of insincerity."  James Hilton, Lost Horizon

[ Parent ]
Speaking of waves... (2.00 / 3)
...I just happen to have read this story in the Boston Globe a couple of days ago:

Study shows Native Americans migrated in three waves


An exhaustive study of DNA taken from dozens of Native American groups that span from Canada to the tip of South America is helping to settle a question that has long divided scientists: When people arrived in the Americas more than 15,000 years ago, the Harvard-led research shows, they came in successive waves, not all at once.

The analysis published Wednesday reveals that while one population of "First Americans" crossed a land bridge from Siberia during the last Ice Age, giving rise to most Native Americans, there were at least two subsequent migrations. These people mixed with the founding group later, leaving traces of their genes in the DNA of present-day populations in Alaska, Greenland, and Canada.



If it were done when 'tis done, then 'twere well it were done subjunctively.

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