Eight State Strategy: Open Thread

by: Shaun Appleby

Mon Sep 10, 2012 at 00:13:42 AM EDT



So seeing the writing on the wall the Romney/Ryan campaign plans to "carpet-bomb" the airwaves of just eight key states:


Romney is targeting eight states: Nevada, Colorado, Iowa, Ohio, Florida, North Carolina, Virginia, and New Hampshire. No Wisconsin, Michigan, or Pennsylvania. This is surely not because Romney is husbanding scarce cash.

Jonathan Chait - Romney's Playing Field Narrows New York 7 Sep 12

A move potentially worrisome for supporters, such as they are.  It is also strategically defensive and targeting an extremely narrow, one might say daring, margin of victory:


The eight states where Romney is competing add up to a neat 100 electoral votes, of which Romney needs 79 and Obama just 23.

Jonathan Chait - Romney's Playing Field Narrows New York 7 Sep 12

Romney has basically spent his way through the primaries running round-the-clock broadcast offensives against all comers as the need arose.  And it seemed to work.

Given the current polling while noting that Romney lacks charisma, retail politicking ability, enthusiastic support and has chosen a mendacious opportunist for a running mate, one supposes we are about to witness the first full-scale field test of whether or not it is possible to simply purchase the presidential election.  That and voter suppression are all they've got left.

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Whoops (2.00 / 7)
Ya gotta be quick:


Romney flips on healthcare. That's a flip-flop-flip into a flip-flop-flip-flop, for those keeping score at home: http://t.co/ei4Wmad8 @Jason_Reads

Maybe there isn't enough money in the world to elect this candidate.


LOL (2.00 / 6)

I don't think he can stick the landing.

The only question is how the judges will score him, I'm not optimistic.

Vyan - Romney Pulls Double-Arabian, Takes Back "ObamaCare" Support Daily Kos 9 Sep 12



[ Parent ]
It is hard being reasonable when by definition you have to satisfy extremists. (2.00 / 6)
Yes, the marketplace will offer solutions if need be. For my friend on Gleevec (which keeps him from dying of leukemia) the premium will simply be $10k/month (the cost of the drug) or greater.

Isn't math breathtakingly simple?

John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."


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I don't have cable so I can't verify but a commenter at (2.00 / 7)
Balloon Juice who also lives in Vermont says that she hasn't seen any Romney ads in the last few days (no Obama ads either but if NH is no longer worth fighting over that makes sense).

Latest PPP poll has POTUS up 5 in Ohio so, without getting overly confident, things look good at the moment.  So good in fact that an anonymous Romney adviser is telling the media not to focus on the latest polls (but also gave Romney a 4-5 point post-convention bounce from somewhere).

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette


Missed You... (2.00 / 6)
Was just reading the same anonymous Romney campaign comment:


Sometimes I think there's a conscious effort between the media and Chicago to get Republicans depressed. And I hope our friends realize that all these media analysts out there are Democrats WHO WANT US TO LOSE.

Rick Lowry - 'Horses**t' National Review 10 Sep 12

All of them? Really?  That would explain a lot.


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Of course the fact that the GOP candidate's platform and (2.00 / 6)
campaign both suck has nothing to do with a possible loss.  Nope.

(Bought a house so I'm painting, stripping wallpaper, stripping paint/varnish, weeding, etc.  And having the time of my life.  Downside is I'm 45 minutes from work.)

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette


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Congrats! (2.00 / 6)
We moved to Tennessee in the meantime as well. Renting, but that never stopped me from renovating (built a floating boathouse and tore up the landscaping in Month One, building a small office building in Months 2-3 :~).

Enjoy your castle!

John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."


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Yep (2.00 / 6)
Romney Faces Test as Republicans Get Jittery
Byron York: ... "The next few days are going to try Romney's patience and determination. The media is focusing incessantly on Obama's relatively small move upward in the polls, with some of the coverage bordering on outright celebration. That, in turn, is spooking some already anxious Romney supporters who fear that Romney is going about it all wrong... Meanwhile, Republican nervousness is spreading and threatens to turn into a stampede."


"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette

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LOL (2.00 / 3)
Honestly, these people are metaphor-challenged:


This is a true test of Romney's resolve. He's like the pilot of a plane rolling down the runway for takeoff. There's a tree line at the end of the runway that he has to clear. He's sure he'll make it. He's gaining speed, getting some lift, but he's still not high enough, and at about three-quarters down the runway, a lot of passengers are getting scared. Does Romney keep going according to plan, confident he'll clear the trees when the time comes? Or does he try some last-minute maneuver?

Byron York - York: With GOP jittery, Romney faces test of resolve Washington Examiner 10 Sep 12

So...  The resolute captain's sure he'll make it but must consider some last-minute manoeuvre because the passengers are getting skittish about ploughing up the tree line?  I thought these opinion-shapers were supposed to be trying to help not scare us witless.


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Cripes. (2.00 / 3)
What's next?

"He's like a juggler tossing babies in the air while riding a unicycle across a field of razor blades. There's a cliff ahead of him with a rope across a 1,000 foot chasm. He's sure he'll make it. He's gaining speed, getting some momentum, but he's still not steady enough, and at about three feet from the edge, a lot of mothers are screaming and crying. Does Romney keep going according to plan, confident he'll cross the rope when the time comes? Or does he try some last-minute maneuver?"

Sure, "planes almost smashing into trees and scattering burning passengers into the woods due to a cocky pilot" analogies are always my first choice to inspire confidence.

John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."


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Someone at Balloon Juice... (2.00 / 4)
Wondered why the "trees weren't the right height?"

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Greatest Hits (2.00 / 3)
Cherry-picked from among comments by our esteemed colleagues over at Red State:


And all of these highly credentialed and well paid Establishment consultants are shocked to find that over 50% of the voters are still blaming the GOP and Bush for the poor economy.

Actually, [Dick] Morris went into a lot more detail, and disagrees with the modeling used by almost all pollsters, including Rasmussen. Morris sees it still in Romney's favor.

Laura Ingraham was downright depressing this morning.

...Slick Willy may have been correct that no man elected President could have fixed the economy in four years...

If Obama is reelected that means the deal is done folks. The takers can outvote the makers. There is no way to continue the deficit spending without economic collapse. I say let there be a parting of the ways. Time for the red states to secede and form a new nation.

I honestly think that this election will mark the completion of the Balkanization of America.

Obama made a terrible miscalculation. He is picking and choosing which laws he will defend without realizing that Americans will soon pick and choose which laws they will obey, including red state governors, legislators and citizens.

CNN, Rasmussen and Gallup all in the bag? All in cahoots together?? It's time to acknowledge that there is a problem while there's still time to refocus the campaign and do something about it. Two of the three major levers for moving the polls - VP pick and convention - have come and gone and we are losing.

...please, stop the whining, panicking, bedwetting. It's annoying.

Romney needs to bury Obama with ads -- no punches pulled. Focus on the Obama-UN conspiracy to take away our gun rights in his second term...

From the Comments - Let's Hug This Out . . . Or Something . . . Live on the Radio! Red State 10 Sep 12

To their credit the Dick Morris guy got hosed down and the secessionist talk faces the banhammer but it is not happy times over there.  Anyone who seems willing to accept (today's) reality has to defend themselves against accusations of trolling.


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I agree with "Silly Willy" on the Econ. and "Loopy Laura" on the PoliSci. (2.00 / 5)
"I say let there be a parting of the ways. Time for the red states to secede and form a new nation."

Because all the "takers" live in the blue states and all of the "makers" live in the red states.  Leave us "takers" to our own devices and set Mississippi free from our leaching.  Then you'll have one country where marriage is disregarded with significantly lower divorce rates than in the country where the sanctity of marriage is celebrated and protected and a secular country where Jesus' injunctions about caring for the poor and the sick are heeded and a Christian theocracy where doing so is considered sacrilege.

Problem is that this will be a temporary fix.  All those brown people are out-breeding the angry white folk.  And they will need to build more and higher fences to their south.  Will they expel them all northward?

The future is unwritten


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Ya' Know... (2.00 / 6)
It would probably raise hell with their "prosperity:"


The report shows that of the 32 states (and the District of Columbia) that are "winners" -- receiving more in federal spending than they pay in federal taxes -- 76% are Red States that voted for George Bush in 2000. Indeed, 17 of the 20 (85%) states receiving the most federal spending per dollar of federal taxes paid are Red States.

Paul Caron - Red States Feed at Federal Trough, Blue States Supply the Feed TaxProf Blog 27 Sep 04

That was eight years ago, but still...  Seems like it would be 2008 all over again for them; hell they would be in competition with Mexico.  Think we should let them in on NAFTA?  They would have to borrow from China.  

I wonder if with a slightly lower standard of living their birth rate would trend upwards?  Oh joy, a populous, militant junta tyranny of theocratic demagogues on our doorstep with a rich martial tradition and most of the military-industrial complex; no thanks.  On the other hand their politics would be delicious.


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All Kidding Aside (2.00 / 5)
If we ever let that happen the ghosts of a million Americans would haunts us and our descendants down through the generations.

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Ain't Happening. (2.00 / 4)
Not even in the wildest fantasies of the deepest dug bunkers.

For so many reasons it is pointless to start listing them.

One thing that is true, however, is that those who call for secession will be remembered... like the person who agreed with you when you were angry and you said that your mom was a bitch: in the end you forgive your mom (or realize you were the one being an idiot) - but you remember that the other person called you mom a bitch.

John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."


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Looks Like... (2.00 / 4)
The Romney campaign is going to get blitzed with process/post-mortem stories soon.  Hope it doesn't set them up for a comeback narrative.

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Oh, Crap (2.00 / 3)
Not good:


Wendy Rosen, a Democratic congressional candidate challenging Rep. Andy Harris (R-MD), withdrew from the race on Monday after the state party confronted her with evidence she voted in both Maryland and Florida in 2006 and 2008.

Ryan J Reilly - Maryland Democrat Wendy Rosen Drops Congress Bid Over Vote Fraud Allegations TPM 10 Sep 12

Bad timing, the "voter fraud" narrative just got a fresh breeze.  In other news a "shared" Democratic poll shows Michele Bachman with a mere two points over her opponent; I guess losing a highly publicised primary has consequences when you are a bit of a flake to begin with.


Heh (2.00 / 5)
There's always Indiana's SoS.  In this case "both sides do it" might be appropriate.  :)

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette

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Woo Hoo (2.00 / 3)
Maybe an outlier, but still it will give Republicans gallstones:


A new Kimball Political Consulting (R) survey in Massachusetts finds Sen. Scott Brown (R) barely ahead of challenger Elizabeth Warren (D) among likely voters, 46% to 45%.

Taegan Goddard - Dead Heat in Massachusetts Political Wire 10 Sep 12

That's more like it.  Now for the House...


Sigh (2.00 / 4)
Poor Ezra:


Mitt Romney had a kind of a strange weekend. He went on NBC's "Meet the Press" and articulated pretty much the same position he's always had on Obamacare. He got off "Meet the Press" and found himself in the middle of a firestorm over why he'd changed his position on Obamacare.

The problem for Romney is that he's been trying to articulate a position on this issue that's too clever by much more than half.

Ezra Klein - When being vague backfires Washington Post 10 Sep 12

Caught between the devil and the Post editorial board, serial mendacity becomes "too clever by much more than half."  Let me show you how it is done:


Here, the Republican candidate entertained us by doing the entire "Make 'Em Laugh" routine from Singin' In The Rain atop his own dick.


MR. ROMNEY: Well, I'm not getting rid of all of healthcare reform. Of course, there are a number of things that I like in healthcare reform that I'm going to put in place. One is to make sure that those with pre-existing conditions can get coverage. Two is to assure that the marketplace allows for individuals to have policies that cover their - their family up to whatever age they might like. I also want individuals to be able to buy insurance, health insurance, on their own as opposed to only being able to get it on a tax advantage basis through their company.

GREGORY: Well, that brings us to Medicare, because one of the things you believe in was the idea of premium support or a voucher for seniors under Medicare is to achieve the goal of solvency.

No. Stop. Do not go ahead to Medicare yet. The man just tried to sell you gallstones for oysters right there. Not only is he completely reversing himself on "repeal and replace" right there before your eyes - presto! - but also, he's attempting to argue that he can do some of the stuff nationally that he did in Massachusetts, but without the individual mandate that his base believes will soon have the black helicopters hovering around their medicine chests. You cannot have what he says he wants to keep unless you keep the mandate. That's why, along with all the goodies he mentioned, we have one in Massachusetts. He knows that. He negotiated the damn bill.

Charles P Pierce - What Are the Gobshites Saying These Days? Esquire 10 Sep 12

See how easy it is?  And please, please don't give these sideshow touts a pass when their minders slink over afterwards and "clarify" the candidate's true position, whatever it is, in spite of whatever manipulative, crowd-pleasing pander has just been broadcast coast-to-coast on national television.


More Charles P... (2.00 / 4)
Because it keeps me sane.  During the now infamous Dave Gregory Romney interview on Meet the Press came the following exchange:


GREGORY: What about Bill Clinton. He had quite an impact. Do you think he could get elected today for president?

MR. ROMNEY: You know, if the Constitution weren't in his way, perhaps. But I - I don't know the answer to that. But he - he did stand out in contrast with the other speakers. I think he - he really did elevate the - the Democratic Convention in a lot of ways. And - and - and frankly, the - the contrast may not have been as - as attractive as - as Barack Obama might have preferred if he were choosing who would go before him and who would go after.

GREGORY: I want to ask you something a little bit more personal. You - you both are guarded about in your faith.

See what Romney's doing there?  He's hinting that sneaky Clinton upstaged Obama and that it was to Obama's detriment.  Pierce gives Gregory a tip:


Just because Romney feels, quite rightly, that he can be upstaged at the podium by a bowl of walnuts, doesn't mean you should lose focus. Here is what your follow-up should have been:


GREGORY: Mr. Romney, when you say stuff like that, don't you realize that you're just daring Bill Clinton to come out and stomp another mudhole in your ass, and don't you people ever get tired of his doing that?

Charles P Pierce - What Are the Gobshites Saying These Days? Esquire 10 Sep 12

Ahhh...  That's so much better.


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Question: (2.00 / 4)
how much more of this narrative can they take before the anti-obama superPACs (notice i didn't say pro-romney) decide to cut losses and divert cash into trying to keep a grip on the house?

Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey
 


bonk: crowbar WSJ opinion piece: (2.00 / 5)
Mr. Romney's reluctance to outline a thoughtful policy on Afghanistan does not make it go away. To the contrary, it only ratifies President Obama's contention that the only choice is between getting out quick and an open-ended commitment as far as the eye can see.

That is a disservice. It is, first, a disservice to the stronger foreign policy Mr. Romney is alleged to represent. Does he really believe, for example, that the Israelis will be encouraged and the Iranians deterred by expressions of resolve from a political leader so reluctant to bring up a war Americans are actually fighting?

{snip}

They deserve better. Even at his most unpopular, President Bush got his surge and his war funding by taking his case to the American people. If Mr. Romney wants to be America's commander in chief, he ought to start presenting himself as one.

http://online.wsj.com/article/...

Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey
 


Uh-oh (2.00 / 5)
WSJ thinks Romney is a wuss.  On a broader theme, Republicans have finally, finally ceded foreign policy and national security credibility to the Democratic Party:


The Obama campaign on Monday stepped up its attacks on Mitt Romney's foreign policy record, with a prominent surrogate blasting the GOP candidate as a novice whose policies amounted to little more than "tough talk and chest-thumping."

In a conference call with reporters, retired Gen. Wesley Clark focused on Romney's failure to mention the troops in Afghanistan during his acceptance speech at the Republican National Convention, saying it was "more than an omission" and highlighted the nominee's inexperience.

Jonathon Easley - Wesley Clark hits Romney foreign policy as 'tough talk and chest-thumping' The Hill 10 Sep 12

Obama maintains a commanding lead in polling on national security issues throughout this campaign but there is a bigger picture too:


Right now, Obama has an advantage on foreign policy. This is a profound shift in our politics, and the result of very deliberate choices and narrative revising on behalf of the president. True, few voters seem to care, and it's true that many liberal Democrats wonder if the party has sold its soul to the devil by adopting the post Cold War counter-terrorism consensus that really began to develop in the second term of the Bush administration. But ever since the days of Amnesty, Acid, and Abortion, and the deliberate attempts by Republicans to eviscerate the Democratic Party's foreign policy core, a sense that Democrats can't handle adult decisions has hung over the party. Not anymore.

Mark Ambinder - Decoding the next two months Week 10 Sep 12

Sure the Bush years heralded a turning away from Republican neoconservatism but Obama has determinedly and credibly forged an alternative.  Nobody was paying much attention, and many derided him throughout but from his Nobel Prize to election day the Obama will have made strong, capable US foreign policy a "quiet achievement" of his administration.  What the US sees is the successful Bin Laden mission but it came only after re-establishing American competence in diplomacy and creating considerable trust with the Pentagon through careful management of both the Iraq and Afghanistan engagements.


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Now you've done it; I've pulled out the laptop and mobile broadband ... (2.00 / 5)
Romney's troops v. military comments are really a window into how that man thinks in that he doesn't think of the troops (or people) as anything other than assets and/or collateral damage.

It is the same as the employees of the companies Bain shuttered or restructured.  So long as the management folks were successfull (read: made money) then whatever it took to get there was deemed appropriate.  Need to ship jobs overseas (excuse me offshore jobs)?  Okey dokey.  Need to cut pensions/wages?  Right on.  Need a few good men to die?  Oops, well okay.  And, sorry, I see nothing in that man to suggest he has any empathy to deal with the inevitable letters the CiC writes to surviving family (hell, I doubt he'd bother to read any said letters).

When you equate troops with the rest of the military you are telling those troops that they matter as much or as little as the tanks, guns, bullets and are therefore just as disposal.  That's disgusting.

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette


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ruh-roh, raggy. (2.00 / 4)
Zoinks!

Conventional wisdom would have it that some middle- and lower-income whites in the South might be prejudiced against voting for a black man for president. A new Reuters/Ipsos poll confirms that is true.

But in a perverse kind of good fortune for the nation's first African American president, the survey shows that this group of Southern whites has an even bigger block against voting for a candidate who is Mormon or who they consider "very wealthy."

{snip}

Reuters data gathered over several months showed that 38% of middle- to lower-income whites across the Bible Belt said they would be less likely to vote for a "very wealthy" politician running against one who isn't. The same survey showed 20% less likely to vote for an African American.

Exemplifying the odd constellation of prejudice for some in the region, Reuters reporter Margot Roosevelt told the story of a 52-year-old white woman from Lynchburg who - after voting twice for George W. Bush - is ready to support President Obama this fall.

Sheryl Harris believes Obama is a Muslim, but also thinks Democrats are more in touch with those who have less. She said she will vote for Obama, adding: "At least he wasn't brought up filthy rich."

This could have a tangible effect in VA and NC, no?

http://www.latimes.com/news/po...

Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey
 


More from the link ... (2.00 / 6)
Reporter Roosevelt interviewed voters convinced that mainstream Mormons continue the practice of multiple marriages that the church outlawed decades ago.

"Mormons don't believe like we believe," said Dianna McCullough, a retired factory worker, working in a soup kitchen. "Like the wives -- Romney's probably got more than one."

Do these people read?  I want Romney to get crushed but not for the wrong reason(s).

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette


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Going Back... (2.00 / 5)
To when you and I were looking at Pawlenty and Huckabee respectively as likely GOP nominees I thought you couldn't pick a worse anti-candidate than Romney if you had eight years to work on it.  Oh, wait...  They did.

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Speaking of which, whatever happened to Pawlenty? (2.00 / 5)
Either he's been kicked to the curb by the campaign or he's trying to save himself for 2016.  (Never too early to start being wrong on my GOP presidential picks.)

Although he apparently did speak at the convention.  Must not have been a decent time, though.

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette


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Poor Tim... (2.00 / 3)
Always the bridesmaid and never the bride.  And wouldn't a primary battle between Christie and Huckabee be a "clash of Titans."  Add Haley Barbour to the mix and the debate stage would need to be engineered like the Triborough Bridge.

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Well, there's your problem right there (2.00 / 6)
You were looking through the wrong end of the telescope by asking which candidate would be the best to take on Pres. Obama. Instead, I went with tradition, as in "it's his turn". That would have been either Romney or Huckabee based on their second place tie in 2008.

The tie breaker was who could raise the most money. The CW was that when McCain took the matching (and therefore limiting) funds, he was fighting with one hand behind his back to a candidate Obama with a BILLION DOLLARS. Huckabee was known as a lousy and reluctant fundraiser. He was also loathe to leave the first big money gig of his career for a likely losing GE when 2016 promised an open seat. Romney had been a successful rainmaker since early in his Bain days (granted some of that was Central American death squad money, but hey, it's all fungible).

Pawlenty brought nothing to the table other than he didn't offend any particular factions. Conversely, he had no base either, which proved fatal in his fundraising and Iowa.

And ultimately you were right, they

couldn't pick a worse anti-candidate than Romney


There was only one joker in L.A. sensitive enough to wear that scent...and I had to find out who he was!

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Door prize goes to VIG, (2.00 / 6)
for the use of "fungible" in a sentence.

My favorite word since a boss several years ago told me not to use it (and other words) in a public document because it was too erudite (that one, too).

John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."


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Will my door prize be fungible? nt (2.00 / 2)


There was only one joker in L.A. sensitive enough to wear that scent...and I had to find out who he was!

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Highly. (2.00 / 2)


John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."

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Something's Changed... (2.00 / 5)
Since last week and while Obama's polling performance has been great it isn't quite the "turning point" we dare hope it is.  The significance change in this post-convention period is the increasingly public perception that Romney's campaign has been poorly conceived and indifferently managed:


It is becoming clear that if President Obama is reelected, it will be despite the economy and because of his campaign; if Mitt Romney wins, it will be because of the economy and despite his campaign.

Charlie Cook - Romney Adrift National Journal 11 Sep 12

Romney's campaign strategy has been entirely predicated on electoral concerns about the economy and they have been confidently waiting for the polling to swing their way as they cruise in policy-free dignity to the Oval Office.  It's that simple; and like so many astronomers calculating gravitational perturbations of visible heavenly bodies they have been pointing their telescopes into the empty, dark skies and declaiming, "Lo! It will appear at any moment, just be patient..."  But it hasn't happened.

The time for readjusting this strategy is receding rapidly and the patience of their allies is largely spent; that is what has changed in the last week.  Witness the flurry of unsolicited, and largely unwelcome, expert advice now pouring in from all corners of the Right on how to revise their campaign and snatch victory from the jaws of defeat:


This remains a close presidential contest, in which Obama has significant vulnerabilities. But Romney does not appear to have a route to victory that allows him to coast. If he plays not to lose, he seems likely to lose.

Micheal Gerson - Mitt Romney's uphill challenge Washington Post 11 Sep 12

The last thing they need now is process stories about their apparent mismanagement of the campaign; not to mention Rush Limbaugh's assertion that an Obama victory spells the end of the Republican Party itself.

Voters are not as dumb as they seem sometimes, or as we often tend to stereotype them; a campaign is a microcosm of an administration's management style and competence and most voters understand this without having to have it explained to them.  So the Romney campaign has yet more self-inflicted, and increasingly weighty, ballast to carry between now and election day.  Barring some miracle their prospects for changing this perception are not going to change overnight if at all.


I'm waiting for Fehrnstrom to suddenly find that he's (2.00 / 4)
too busy with Scott Brown's re-election to work with Romney.  Unless Romney can't bring himself to face that his campaign is in trouble.

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette

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Heh (2.00 / 4)
I'm guessing we won't see the rush to the lifeboats until after the debates; then they can blame the candidates.  Imagine what Romney's debate prep must be like; I almost feel sorry for the guy.

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Romney did debate prep last week in Vermont. (2.00 / 4)
Of course, he didn't want any cooties so he barely ventured out and when he did he got stuck behind farm equipment. LOL

Rob Portman is playing POTUS in the debate prep.  I have no idea what that means.

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette


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LOL (2.00 / 2)
It's not as though Romney would ever fire anybody.  I suppose he could try outsourcing.

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Incidentally... (2.00 / 3)
The new Washington Post/ABC poll which, using a likely voter model, has brought Obama's bounce back to Earth also contains a potentially devastating finding for Romney strategists:


Relatedly, the poll finds that Obama now leads on who is more trusted to handle the economy, 47-45 (though that's within the margin of error). If Obama can fight Romney to a draw on the economy, he has a chance to fight the election out on more favorable turf.

Greg Sargent - The Morning Plum: How do undecided voters really view the economy? Washington Post 11 Sep 12

Yeah, Obama might have that chance; but even at a draw that finding, if representative, completely discredits Romney's core electoral strategy.  I just don't see how they can fix that in fifty-five short days after running for so long on their candidate's resume with a vague and confusing defensive campaign on economic policy; it's already baked in.  The debates are going to be very interesting.


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It reminds me... (2.00 / 5)
...of how one among the many reasons I chose Obama over Hillary was the quality of the campaigns being waged in 2008.  His was tight, sharp, cohesive, effective; not error-free but remarkably nimble at avoiding many pitfalls and recovering deftly from missteps.

Hillary's?  A hot mess, riven with internal discord.  And then there was Mark Penn.

Mark Penn -- all by himself a compelling reason not to take her side.

I'm just getting into reading Game Change -- yes, at long last -- and finding, even in the early going, that my outside observer's opinions of the campaigns were spot on.

If it were done when 'tis done, then 'twere well it were done subjunctively.


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Oh, Lordy... (2.00 / 4)
File under "Et tu Brutii?:"


House Speaker John A. Boehner (R-Ohio) welcomed House Republicans back to Washington Tuesday and said that Mitt Romney's selection of Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) as his running mate "validated all the work House Republicans have done over the past 19 months."

Ed O'Keefe - John Boehner: Paul Ryan VP pick validates House GOP Washington Post 11 Sep 12

The Onion is obsolete, reality trumps the most surreal satire.


And apparently Ryan's actively running for his House seat. (2.00 / 5)
Nothing wrong with that but it doesn't inspire much confidence.

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette

[ Parent ]
Just Watched... (2.00 / 5)
Karl Rove on Hannity and he was spinning madly about how inherently unscientific polling is (who knew?) and how they had all weighted too heavily towards Democrats in their likely voter models.  As spin it would have to fall in the "works well but not for long" category with fingers crossed; he must be trying to hang on to donors, I thought.

[ Parent ]
exactly correct, i believe (2.00 / 5)
...trying to hang on to donors


Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey
 


[ Parent ]
That Was Meant... (2.00 / 4)
As a reply to your comment:


...how much more of this narrative can they take before the anti-obama superPACs decide to cut losses and divert cash...?

Not long, apparently, but I'm just guessing.  

They are going to try to wind this Netanyahu 'redline' argument up; it is straight out of the neo-conservative playbook.  Got to give the man credit for brass but if there's so much as a cocktail-napkin paper trail between Bibi and Republicans both could end up in pretty hot water.  Frankly the presumption of trying to bigfoot the president during an election has to be a pretty big risk for Netanyahu here and domestically; things must be shakier than I figured.


[ Parent ]
please, for the love of dog... (2.00 / 4)
can someone please explain to me why wolf blitzer has a job?

i cannot understand.

Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey
 


I'm also at a complete loss (2.00 / 4)
His successor should be Victoria Sinclair from Naked News. The wardrobe savings alone would be substantial.

There was only one joker in L.A. sensitive enough to wear that scent...and I had to find out who he was!

[ Parent ]
Ancient war porn (2.00 / 3)
From Iraq I.  Oy.

Howard Dean is my guy. (in a strictly nonsexual fashion)

[ Parent ]
I think Romney just 'jumped the embassy' (2.00 / 8)
Seems weird the Ambassador didn't have a more significant security detail.

Sad day.  Hope my subject line doesn't come across as crass as Romney's statement...

The future is unwritten


Damn good diary over at GOS (2.00 / 5)
from a foreign service insider: DIARY OF A BELTWAY FACTOTUM: Libya and Romney from Inside+
Best summation I have seen so far. Here are some excerpts.

... He smiled.  He even cut a little laugh.  He answered questions from stunned reporters as if he were talking about what he'd just eaten for breakfast.  
...
My reaction was not isolated.  As the gist of Romney's remarks began to settle in, other people began to share my same feelings.  "What the fuck is he saying?"  "I can't believe this!"  "Is he crazy?"  "Mother fucking psycho!"  "Does the man have no handlers?"  "This has got to be Bolton's bullshit."  Etc. Etc. Etc.
...
Even for a cynical political animal, Romney has finally gone too far.  It's too much.  How can a man govern a nation if he cares so little for the people who reside in that nation and who serve its aims abroad?  Our soldiers don't deserve a mention in his speeches.  Our diplomats bring about their own destruction.

I think this will rank with "Romney to Motown: Drop Dead" in the foreign policy sphere. How appropriate that the highest level support he has received so far, as you note below, is from Caribou Barbie.

There was only one joker in L.A. sensitive enough to wear that scent...and I had to find out who he was!


[ Parent ]
I read that; really moving account. (2.00 / 7)
Romney's stepped in it this time; folks on both sides of the aisle are taking him to task as is the media.  Also saw a tweet from Jim Acosta at CNN that says a Romney official admits the campaign didn't know the Ambassador had died when they issued the first statement.  Because apparently scoring political points is more important than gathering facts or adhering to the 9/11 campaign embargo.

The post-press Romney smirk is all over twitter, too.

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette


[ Parent ]
And maybe Mitt's response was because his fee fees were hurt ... (2.00 / 6)
... What was Team Romney thinking? I'm not really sure, but I happened to speak this morning to a senior Romney adviser from a previous campaign who offered his own theory. According to this person, Romney may have been feeling defensive over the hazing he took in Charlotte last week--"my opponent and his running mate are new to foreign policy," the president tweaked him-and was primed to hit back. "They set him up Thursday night at the convention with the smack down on foreign policy," says the former adviser. "They called him naive, Palin-esque. Then he got his back up about it and was waiting for opportunity to show, 'I'm strong, too.'"  http://www.tnr.com/blog/plank/...  


"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette

[ Parent ]
What are they calling The Smirk? (2.00 / 4)
I don't do twitter but there must be some good descriptive phrases for what will be THE iconic visual on tonight's news casts.

There was only one joker in L.A. sensitive enough to wear that scent...and I had to find out who he was!

[ Parent ]
Scroll down to comment by middleaghousewife (2.00 / 5)
http://www.dailykos.com/story/...

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette

[ Parent ]
Not a Good Look... (2.00 / 6)
For Romney, not good at all.  Is it just me or do those of his press contingent not madly tweeting look dumbfounded?

[ Parent ]
Here's the other thing ... (2.00 / 6)
Apparently the Romney campaign moved supporters who were there for a rally out of the space to move reporters in for the presser.  Then the campaign moved the supporters back in for the rally.  How utterly incompetent is that?!

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette

[ Parent ]
for all to enjoy (2.00 / 7)
Photobucket

Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey
 


[ Parent ]
Word of the Day: Backpfeifengesicht (2.00 / 3)
From the Urban Dictionary:

In common use it means something to the effect of "A face badly in need of a fist" meaning this is a person that needs to be punched. Alternate translations list the given action as "slap" rather than "punch" or the given weapon as "crowbar" rather than "fist".

h/t Villago Delenda Est

There was only one joker in L.A. sensitive enough to wear that scent...and I had to find out who he was!


[ Parent ]
Palin responds to Libya crisis by fantasizing about the President's... (2.00 / 8)
We already know that President Obama likes to 'speak softly' to our enemies. If he doesn't have a 'big stick' to carry, maybe it's time for him to grow one.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics...



The future is unwritten

Psycho bitch. (1.67 / 6)
Yeah, I said it.

John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."

[ Parent ]
I finally had to "meh" you. (2.00 / 3)
With much love, of course.

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette

[ Parent ]
The Meh strong in this one, is. (2.00 / 2)
:~)

John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."

[ Parent ]
ftr: i think mitt romney is craven and shameless. (2.00 / 7)
his 'statements' regarding libya/egypt are way beyond the pale. what a mudhole this guy is.

and i'll put this out there: does the flame up over this youtube movie (which i'd never even heard of before yesterday)seem fishy at all?

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lo...

Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey
 


Followed your link (2.00 / 7)
and I agree that this "movie" has some weird fingerprints all over it. The article leads to The Atlantic report Muhammad Film Consultant: 'Sam Bacile' is Not Israeli, and Not a Real Name and these quotes:

Steve Klein "His name [Sam Bacie] is a pseudonym. All these Middle Eastern folks I work with have pseudonyms. I doubt he's Jewish. I would suspect this is a disinformation campaign."
...
[Reporter] What are we to make of Steve Klein's assertions? I'm taking everything about this strange and horrible episod with a grain of salt, though I will say that I haven't seen any proof yet that Sam Bacile is an actual Israeli Jew, or that the name is anything other than a pseudonym. More to come, undoubtedly.

I'm going to hold off for a while before pointing fingers because this could be one of many Middle East and domestic American actors at work.

There was only one joker in L.A. sensitive enough to wear that scent...and I had to find out who he was!


[ Parent ]
Yeah, I wouldn't know where to point (2.00 / 5)
...but something seems strange here.  This isn't at all like the Danish cartoon thing (actually published in the media).  This was a very obscure youtube video (which is just a portion of the entire 'movie').  Apparently, the youtube vid(s) have been posted since sometime in July, but drew virtually no attention by anyone until they were translated to arabic and replayed over and over by TV show hosts in Egypt...and this Sam Bacile thing...I dunno.  Super weird.


Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey
 


[ Parent ]
Hmmm... (2.00 / 6)
With you on the holding off but it's a strange world when the three likely suspects are al Qaeda, Mossad and the Republican Party.  This seems like a propaganda mission that went terribly off the rails; the synchronicity of the attacks in Cairo and Benghazi makes you wonder.  Bibi's press conference falls in that timeline where exactly?

[ Parent ]
Ok, I waited 2 hours (2.00 / 5)
On absolutely no evidence, I think this is some neocon ratfucking, possibly by the same people that gave us Curveball.

On the plus side, it appears the press is all over this and they smell Pulitzers for whoever breaks it open. My money is on the LATimes due to their proximity to the Southern Cal roots of this story.

There was only one joker in L.A. sensitive enough to wear that scent...and I had to find out who he was!


[ Parent ]
Yeah... (2.00 / 4)
If so the trail back through Pastor Nutcase is a bit sloppy, unless it's just payback to Evangelical power-brokers:


On Wednesday, Gen. Martin E. Dempsey, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, called Mr. Jones and asked him to consider withdrawing his support for the video, a senior administration official told reporters in a conference call. Mr. Jones's response was "noncommittal," the administration official said.

David D Kirkpatrick - Origins of Provocative Video Are Shrouded NYT 12 Sep 12

WTF?  The f*cking Chairman of the Joint Chiefs ask you nicely to not do something as a matter of national security?  And you're not sure?  From a cultural point of view that's going to make a lot of Americans think, "Sheesh, what would I do?" and I can guess the answer.  The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs is the most senior voice of the professional military and security establishment we've got and in our blessed democracy he's asking.


[ Parent ]
Some names that are popping up (2.00 / 5)
Early researches are turning up players noted in the Southern Poverty Law Center archives. Steve Klein has already appeared as a central player. Then there is the Church at Kaweah in central California. Which leads to Peter Hammond of Zimbabwe. From the SPLC:

The church's obsession with Muslims appears to have begun in 2010, when it invited white Zimbabwean evangelist Peter Hammond to speak at its Old Paths conference. A staunch defender of Zimbabwe's last white leader, the racial supremacist Ian Smith, Hammond heads a South Africa-based "ministry" called Frontline Fellowship that is anti-Islam, anti-gay, anti-abortion and anti-communist. He believes all churches should be armed and ready for attack, admonishing Christians to remember the "four G's of survival: Groceries, Guns, Gold and God." In a pamphlet titled "The Christian At War" (available for purchase on the church's website), Hammond says, "Much of the Bible is written by soldiers and for soldiers."

Over the past year, Johnson and the church militia have developed a relationship with Steve Klein, a longtime religious-right activist who brags about having led a "hunter killer" team as a Marine in Vietnam. Klein, who calls Islam a "penis-driven religion" and thinks Los Angeles Sheriff Lee Baca is a Muslim Brotherhood patsy, is allied with Christian activist groups across California. In 2011, as head of the Concerned Citizens for the First Amendment, he worked with the Vista, Calif.-based Christian Anti-Defamation Commission on a campaign to "arm" students with the "truth about Islam and Muhammad" - mainly by leafleting high schools with literature depicting the Prophet Mohammed as a sex-crazed pedophile.

This connection with Zimbabwe/Ian Smith smells of links to mercenaries and [insert huge leap of logic here] NEOCONS!!!

There was only one joker in L.A. sensitive enough to wear that scent...and I had to find out who he was!


[ Parent ]
Nakoula Basseley Nakoula (2.00 / 6)
What a resume:


LOS ANGELES (AP) - The search for those behind the provocative, anti-Muslim film implicated in violent protests in Egypt and Libya led Wednesday to a California Coptic Christian convicted of financial crimes who acknowledged his role in managing and providing logistics for the production.

Gillion Flaccus - California man confirms role in anti-Islam film AP 12 Sep 12

The actual movie crew are all begging innocence while this Klein character is putting up one smokescreen after another:


...a Christian activist involved in the film project, Steve Klein, told The Atlantic on Wednesday that Bacile was a pseudonym, he was not Jewish or Israeli and a group of Americans of Mideast origin collaborated on the film. Klein had earlier told the AP that the filmmaker was an Israeli Jew who was concerned for family members who live in Egypt.

"Nobody is anything but an active American citizen," Klein told the Atlantic. "They're from Syria, Turkey, Pakistan, there are some that are from Egypt. Some are Copts but the vast majority are evangelical."

Gillion Flaccus - California man confirms role in anti-Islam film AP 12 Sep 12

Oh, what tangled webs we weave...


[ Parent ]
All roads lead to ... Atlas Juggs (2.00 / 5)
In another chapter of "Truth is stranger than Fiction", Pamela Geller of Atlas Shrugged infamy is implicated in the "Innocence of Muslims" film production plot.

It appears that Nakoula Basseley Nakoula is no more than a front man to Nasralla Abdelmasih, an Egyptian Coptic Christian of the virulently anti-Islamic Media for Christ. It is reported that:

The leader [Abdelmasih] of the organization reportedly behind the anti-Muslim film sparking angry protests in the Middle East spoke at a rally opposing the Park 51 Islamic center in lower Manhattan last year. That rally, on September 11, 2010, was organized by Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer, two leading Islamophobic activists and bloggers in the U.S.

Bold for emphasis.

The Onion pledges to leave no implant unturned in pursuit of this story.

There was only one joker in L.A. sensitive enough to wear that scent...and I had to find out who he was!


[ Parent ]
Given the Murk... (2.00 / 3)
And endlessly divisive smokescreen of disinformation surrounding the creators of this film and the narrow motive for producing and promoting it I'm guessing we will find that it was actually instigated and financed by al Qaeda operating in the US.  That will come as a bit of a shock to our stalwart defenders of free speech.  

It's just their style, using a supposed weakness of tolerant, secular Western culture against us.  It doesn't seem to have well thought out end game, though.


[ Parent ]
Well, (2.00 / 3)
It doesn't seem to have well thought out end game, though.

That's also their style.

John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."


[ Parent ]
Heh (2.00 / 5)
Following the trail of these Christian anti-Islamic activists:


For the last couple of years, [Steve Klein] has hosted a weekly program on an Arabic Christian outlet called The Way TV. An office manager at the station said the channel -- broadcast in the U.S., Canada and the Middle East -- focuses mainly on spreading Christianity, but that Klein's program was focused on criticizing Islam.

"It's against Islam, it's an anti-Islam program," said office manager Diana Awad.

Another station representative who declined to give his name said that because of Klein's involvement in the controversial film the station is considering cutting ties.

"We're not sure if he's going to continue because we're not involved in this. He didn't tell us he's making a film like this. I'm not sure he's still going to make a show on our channel."

The man described Klein as "a nice guy" and said the station would have stopped him if they knew his plans to be involved in the film. Asked why the station objected to an anti-Islam film, but not Klein's anti-Islam show, the man said, "I don't know," and ended the call.

Harriet Ryan, Jessica Garrison, Robert Faturechi and Abby Sewell - Ambassador killed: Mystery surrounds maker of anti-Muslim film LA Times 12 Sep 12

Can't imagine pulling the wool over their eyes would present much of a challenge, frankly.


[ Parent ]
McSigh. (2.00 / 4)
On the one hand it is a good thing that folks like this aren't smarter, or they would be even more dangerous.

On the other, if they were smarter they wouldn't be doing what they do.

John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."


[ Parent ]
Well... (2.00 / 4)
Safe to say Pastor Jones in no intellectual giant either:


"We were contacted several weeks ago by the director who wanted us to promote the film and give it a stamp of approval. I have only seen the trailer and it's not a professional film, done in Hollywood style. The acting is so bad that it must have been done on purpose to provoke a reaction from Islam.

"But he said he it was not his intention, and nor is it mine, to insult Muslims. He wanted to raise awareness of the film and the dangers of radical Islam."

Richard Luscombe - Pastor Terry Jones rejects criticism of his involvement in anti-Islam film Telegraph 13 Sep 12

Who do they think they are kidding?  


[ Parent ]
Themselves? (2.00 / 3)
Who do they think they are kidding?


John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."

[ Parent ]
ready, fire, aim. (2.00 / 7)
President Obama suggested Wednesday that Mitt Romney acted too quickly in responding to the U.S. embassy in Cairo's statement condemning an anti-Islam video.

"There's a broader lesson to be learned here. Governor Romney seems to have a tendency to shoot first and aim later," Obama said in an interview with CBS News's Steve Kroft that was scheduled before four Americans were killed Tuesday at the U.S. consulate in Benghazi.

"As president, one of the things I've learned is you can't do that," Obama added. "It's important for you to make sure that the statements that you make are backed up by the facts and that you've thought through the ramifications before you make them."

Asked if Romney's remarks were irresponsible, Obama responded: "I'll let the American people judge that."

http://www.politico.com/politi...

Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey
 


And Soon, Too (2.00 / 7)
Mainstream media?:


You'd expect the Sarah Palins of the world to quickly pounce on something like this, and she predictably did. But a presidential nominee running for the highest office in the land?

Chuck Todd, Mark Murray, Domenico Montanaro, and Brooke Brower - First Thoughts: Over the top NBC News 12 Sep 12

Now this is a turning point.  He's lost the media.


[ Parent ]
Fuck Romney. I'm disgusted. (2.00 / 7)
On that note, it's Chuck Todd calling him out. As far as the election is concerned this is worse than McCain suspending his campaign. This desperate move after failing to even mention our troops in his RNC speech is so blatant and obviously wrong/stupid/ignorant/fucked up. As a historian I'm sure you can think of parallels or/and are curious on how this will be talked about in the future. I know I am.  

Just because they are posting on a progressive site doesn't make them progressives. - John Allen

[ Parent ]
Plenty of Folks... (2.00 / 6)
Seem to want to get on the public record disassociating themselves:


Politicians must pander, it goes with the job. But they mustn't leave their fingerprints all over their pandering. The Romney campaign's attempt to score political points on the killing of American diplomats was a dismal business in every respect. Disregarding every other aspect, however, it was graceless and stupid as a matter of politics.

David Frum - Daily Beast 12 Sep 12

Although now CNN is tending to confirm this account (Disclaimer: Debkafile caveats apply:)


...sources report exclusively that far from being a spontaneous raid by angry Islamists, it was a professionally executed terrorist operation by a professional Al Qaeda assassination team, whose 20 members acted under the orders of their leader Ayman al Zawahri after special training. They were all Libyans, freed last year from prisons where they were serving sentences for terrorism passed during the late Muammar Qaddafi's rule.

Zawahri personally ordered Al Qaeda to murder US Ambassador Stevens DebkaFile 12 Sep 12

Embassy attacks are squarely in al Qaeda's playbook these days.


[ Parent ]
Call me naive but this just hurts ... (2.00 / 5)
Politicians must pander, it goes with the job. But they mustn't leave their fingerprints all over their pandering.

Being polite and inclusive and considerate is one thing but pandering (with or without the candidate's fingerprints on it) with its negative connotation is just sad.  

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette


[ Parent ]
Frum... (2.00 / 4)
Was being revealingly forensic but these days that's the best we can expect from over there.  But it's a compelling case against Romney's political skill notwithstanding; especially within the Republican establishment.

[ Parent ]
Seconded. (2.00 / 7)
I tried to find something to write here less vitriolic, but it doesn't stick.

That stunt showed a desperate, selfish, heartless individual who is unable to grasp very important points. Trying to "Look Presidential in a Crisis" and overstepping his bounds in every direction. If he did anything nearly as rash in office it would get people killed and damage the interests of the nation.

I am likely about to postpone a trip on Friday to a very troubled part of the region. Because I have been thinking about it a great deal and talking to my local contacts, each of whom understand the details of these things better than Romney. It has taken a lot of effort to (almost) make that decision. I have spent a lot of time today talking with very informed people in the region, who have been talking to others to figure out the dynamics and risks given the very specific circumstances. All of that has taken more time and diligence than our potentially-next-president put into jumping on stage and spouting off in public. I'm not going to explain more about this here, because there is a minuscule chance that these few words could increase risks to myself and others.

And I'm not running for freaking President.

John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."


[ Parent ]
Stay safe blasky. (2.00 / 7)


Just because they are posting on a progressive site doesn't make them progressives. - John Allen

[ Parent ]
Thanks. (2.00 / 4)


John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."

[ Parent ]
"I'm not running for freaking President." (2.00 / 5)
That does it: BLASK 2016

Print 'em up.

The future is unwritten


[ Parent ]
Thanks, no. (2.00 / 4)
I don't have anything like the right set of abilities.

And I know it, unlike others I could mention...

John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."


[ Parent ]
Uh... Chris (2.00 / 7)
Are you kidding?  Bipartisan wunderkind of cybersecurity with a passion for musclecars and chainsaws?  You're a 21st century everyman.

[ Parent ]
Aw, cut it out. You're making me blush. (2.00 / 4)
(no, really, keep going... ;~)

John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."

[ Parent ]
Probably THE turning point (2.00 / 7)
The media and punditry require an identifiable event on the electoral timeline for the official TP. What they won't concede is that this GE was lost when no R heavyweights entered the primary AND that there was no double-dip recession.

Starting this weekend, we will have the new narrative of the Romney Collapse. If there is one thing that has surprised me, it is the sheer quantity of unforced errors and the twofer of bad strategy and tactics by the Romney campaign.

There was only one joker in L.A. sensitive enough to wear that scent...and I had to find out who he was!


[ Parent ]
Agreed (2.00 / 5)
Those who side with Romney now risk going on the public record as being over the top.  Not to suggest we don't have a relatively major foreign policy and national security crisis unfolding.  The crowds are apparently reforming outside the embassy in Cairo.  I found the account of the online world Sean Smith left behind particularly touching.

And I knew there was something worth respecting about John McCain; just saw him propping up the green shoots of the Arab Spring on CNN.

I actually find myself hoping they get the guys who attacked Benghazi by hook or by crook.


[ Parent ]
Never forget (2.00 / 7)
To Romney, people are head count.

That's all you need to know about him, to know he should never ever be president of this or any other country.  Not even Somalia.

If it were done when 'tis done, then 'twere well it were done subjunctively.


the long knives... (2.00 / 6)
Scarbrough (highlights):

Voters who like moderates can't trust him. Conservatives who are desperate for victory don't believe him. And the election Republicans should be winning seems to be slipping further from their grasp.

Ingraham argued that if Republicans couldn't win this year, they should shut the party down.

She's right.

How can it be that this man who turned around countless businesses, saved the 2002 Olympics and ran Democratic Massachusetts like a pro be the head of such a disastrous campaign?

Who was responsible for burying his moving convention video behind the bumbling bluster of Clint Eastwood?

Who told Mr. Romney to issue a political broadside against the commander in chief the day after a U.S. ambassador was murdered?

And who decided that Romney would use his general election campaign to stand for absolutely nothing?

...Mitt Romney refuses to lay out a plan to balance the budget before 2040. He doesn't specify cuts, he doesn't propose eliminating agencies and he doesn't explain how his tax cuts will be offset. When it comes to balancing the budget, Mr. Romney has no plan.

so much more: http://www.politico.com/news/s...

Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey
 


So... (2.00 / 6)
First instinct when the rivets start popping?  Lay the keel for an insurgent run in 2016.

[ Parent ]
Heh (2.00 / 5)
Booman:


[Romney's] whole foreign policy is built around the idea that we should never apologize for anything we've ever done, and yet he gives mortal offense to everyone he meets.

Booman - The Romney Disaster Zone Booman Tribune 12 Sep 12

The "Romney Doctrine."


[ Parent ]
Footnote to History (2.00 / 4)
Anyone who can't see Obama's brand of "American exceptionalism" hasn't read de Toqueville:


"We will not be deterred - we will keep going, we will keep going because the world needs us," the president said. "We are the one indispensable power in the world."

Obama vows justice for Libya killers Al Jazeera 13 Sep 12

Can't say I ever heard him put it quite like that but it makes sense to our allies.


[ Parent ]
Mark Salter: "Don't Politicize Attacks" (2.00 / 4)
When the GOP candidate thoroughly loses McCain's former chief of staff and top presidential campaign adviser on foreign police, he's really stepped in it.

Just skip the opening qualifiers where he slams Obama's foreign policy (and gets it wrong on almost every point) and jump to his discussion of both why these attacks should not be blamed on the Pres., how no one apologized, and how Romney is a total Mitt.

http://www.realclearpolitics.c...


The future is unwritten


meanwhile... (2.00 / 5)
At least three Republican electors say they may not support their party's presidential ticket when the Electoral College meets in December to formally elect the new president, escalating tensions within the GOP and adding a fresh layer of intrigue to the final weeks of the White House race.

The electors - all are supporters of former GOP presidential candidate Ron Paul - told The Associated Press they are exploring options should Mitt Romney win their states. They expressed frustration at how Republican leaders have worked to suppress Paul's conservative movement and his legion of loyal supporters.

http://www.chron.com/news/arti...

Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey
 


Libyans disavow attack (2.00 / 8)
Denise posted a link to buzzfeed pictures from a rally in Libya in a diary over at GOS.

There a several signs that read "No to insult to our Prophet.  No to insult Islam.  No to terrorism."  Many express condolences and appreciation for Ambassador Stevens.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/jtes/1...

The future is unwritten


So the next question is (2.00 / 6)
given Romney has demonstrated that his maladroitness is chronic, what do we think will be his next major blunder?  He has time for a few more before election day.

And why have we stopped talking about his refusal to level with voters about his finances and taxes?  He was betting that a "keep resisting and eventually they will stop talking about it strategy" would work.  We can't let that happen.  Unless this whole Libya response debacle is one in a series of diversionary maneuvers...  Doesn't seem his campaign is capable of strategic thinking though.

The future is unwritten


Apparently Mitt asked for ten years of returns from his VP short list. (2.00 / 4)
Seems like that news brings his tax returrns (and his hypocrisy) back into focus.

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette

[ Parent ]
Heh (2.00 / 4)
His Mittness promised he'd be releasing his 2011 returns when they were done in October, the deadline for filing with an extension.  He has to put them out there then.  And no matter how innocent they look (though I'm betting there'll still be Cayman Islands and Swiss banks and such stuff), the whole question of why won't you release more will boil to the surface again -- just a handful of weeks before the election.

You were saying about the strategic thinking of the Romney campaign...?

If it were done when 'tis done, then 'twere well it were done subjunctively.


[ Parent ]
What a disaster (2.00 / 7)
And the worst of it all, Mitt's statement crowing at the Benghazi dead was thought through

So far, just about the only statements of support Romney has managed to elicit have come from discredited neocons (Bill Kristol, Liz Cheney), paleo-cons (Donald Rumsfeld, John Bolton), and nutty-cons (Sarah Palin, Jim DeMint). Meanwhile, John McCain and Condoleezza Rice, arguably the G.O.P.'s two most influential voices on foreign policy, have conspicuously failed to criticize Obama, while paying tribute to Ambassador Chris Stevens, the longtime foreign-service officer who was killed.

About the best that can be said for Romney is that, responding to the public statements from the U.S. Embassy in Egypt, he took a cynical tactical gamble that misfired after the protests in Libya took a tragic turn. When you are losing an election that you should win you have to do something, and accusing a Democratic President of being soft on national security is a standard G.O.P. fallback.
Even this defense of Romney's actions is a bit of a stretch.

On Tuesday night, when his campaign released its initial statement, it was already clear that one U.S. consulate official in Benghazi had been killed, though the person's name and job title weren't yet known. Perhaps Romney was assuming it was a low-level employee, maybe not an American citizen. Still, going on the offensive in this manner before all the facts were known was inviting trouble. And if that was foolhardy, Romney's decision on Wednesday morning to double down-this after the news emerged that Stevens and three other consulate officials had been killed-was virtually inexplicable. "It almost feels like Sarah Palin is his foreign policy adviser," Matthew Dowd, a former political adviser to President George W. Bush, told the Washington Post. "It's just a huge mistake on the Romney campaign's part-huge mistake."

Obama's subsequent jibe that Romney "shoots first and aims later" hit home. But perhaps the most disturbing thing about this whole incident is that it wasn't simply a spontaneous gaffe on the part of the G.O.P. candidate. It was debated and thought through. According to the same report in today's Washington Post, Romney acted on the "unanimous recommendation of his foreign policy and political advisers."

Read more http://www.newyorker.com/onlin...

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That Newyorker piece is a good read (2.00 / 7)
I was struck by this summation of Romney's campaign as a whole:

Romney's blundering during the past couple of days is of a piece with his entire campaign. A man with an impressive resume, whose best hope of victory lay in portraying himself as a moderate, independent figure-somebody not beholden to tired old orthodoxies, Democratic or Republican-has self-destructed by aligning himself with some of the least credible and most voter-repellant groups in the G.O.P.

Meat the Press had Peggy Noonan saying that Mitt had a small window from now until the debates to divorce himself from the Bush legacy. I don't think she held out much hope of him doing so.

There was only one joker in L.A. sensitive enough to wear that scent...and I had to find out who he was!


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Let's Be Clear (2.00 / 5)
While Mitt is uniquely qualified to be a terrible candidate the whole arc of the Republican nomination was irrevocably doomed from the day the Tea Party ploy invited Right-wing hysteria to national politics.

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No quibble there (2.00 / 6)
but I would suggest 2 other arcs. One was 47 years in the making since the Voting Rights Act and Nixon's following Southern Strategy. We are now in the end stage of The Great Realignment and the Republicans are left with the Deep South, the Inner South and the Mormon and resource extraction States. In other words, a demographically losing hand.

The second arc was the entry of Big Money via, surprisingly, 2008 Obama and then followed by Citizens United. Romney would not have won the nomination if his big money had not scared off the (somewhat mythical) heavyweights and was used to bludgeon the front-runner du jour.

I will assert that, in retrospect, that Romney's Big Money is ultimately more a curse than the CW blessing. Their, for lack of a better word, strategy indicates they thought they could bludgeon the Obama campaign by outspending them by 2-1. As such, they didn't run a well thought out and disciplined campaign.

There was only one joker in L.A. sensitive enough to wear that scent...and I had to find out who he was!


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Look at the time stamps and the argument (2.00 / 4)
Are you reading my brain waves through some kind of remote fMri scan?  

The p***artist formerly known as 'Brit'

[ Parent ]
Excuse me, (2.00 / 4)
who's mind-reading whom here based on who posted first here, eh?

There was only one joker in L.A. sensitive enough to wear that scent...and I had to find out who he was!

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heh (2.00 / 3)
april, '09: http://www.motleymoose.com/sho...

december, '09:  http://www.motleymoose.com/sho...


Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey
 


[ Parent ]
Pissing matches generally end (2.00 / 7)
with two guys soaked in pee pee.

The future is unwritten

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shaun and I do this every time... (2.00 / 7)
...someone sees more GOP blood in the water.  it happens a lot.

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Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey
 


[ Parent ]
Still Love... (2.00 / 7)
This quote:


The history of the modern Republican Party in one sentence: Barry Goldwater and Nelson Rockefeller got into an argument and George Wallace won.

Jonathan Rauch - It's George Wallace's GOP Now National Journal 27 Feb 10

'Bout says it all.


[ Parent ]
You just type faster than me... (2.00 / 5)
I was ruminating

And in other good news Obama surges ahead with a 7 point lead

http://www.reuters.com/article...

The p***artist formerly known as 'Brit'


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Ruminating? Is that what the kids are calling it these days? (2.00 / 6)
Protip: I type faster because I use both hands.

Re Reuters/Ipsos +7: With VA and FL +5 and OH +7, this puts the Obama campaign WAY ahead of 2008. If you Google "Romney collapse" you get about 4,000 hits. I'll update this next week to plot the trajectory of this meme.

There was only one joker in L.A. sensitive enough to wear that scent...and I had to find out who he was!


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Course I only use one hand typing (2.00 / 6)
I have to keep the other free to stroke your oversensitive ego!

Loving the Romney Collapse meme. Do chart it.  

The p***artist formerly known as 'Brit'


[ Parent ]
Course I only use one hand typing (2.00 / 3)
I have to keep the other free to stroke your oversensitive ego!

Loving the Romney Collapse meme. Do chart it.  

The p***artist formerly known as 'Brit'


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Damn... (2.00 / 4)
This new iPhone.

[ Parent ]
BTW (2.00 / 4)
Thank Kate for getting the embassy protests off the front pages.  Was that Rupert?

[ Parent ]
No - some french pap (2.00 / 3)


The p***artist formerly known as 'Brit'

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I would say it was ultimately doomed (2.00 / 5)
...by Nixon's southern strategy, and Buchanan's 'positive' polarisation: several bits of the book BTW dedicated to this shock-jock/sunspeak theme.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Fa...

The p***artist formerly known as 'Brit'


[ Parent ]
Yeah... (2.00 / 5)
I was thinking in a more tactical, horse race sense.  I would argue that Nixon's Southern strategy, the alignment with Evangelicals and Balkanised media were actually quite successful.  A life-cycle of a generation, in Nixon's case, isn't a bad record for a political strategy.  It was the ineluctable demographic shift which ultimately scuppered all of those locally successful tactics.  The plays were all OK but way past their respective use-by dates in this cycle and last.

It's the current Republican leadership who screwed the pooch; doing what has always worked sometimes fails.  Of all their ploys the media manipulation seems to have done the most self-inflicted damage.

Napoleon or someone said, "You win the battle in the mind of your opponent" or some-such and these noggins were listening to Rush.


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Seems... (2.00 / 5)
To be a mixed bag on foreign policy.  There's a few positive signs and Blake Hounshell seems to think the protests aren't as extensive as they might be:


Friday could prove me wrong but so far, isn't the real story how small all these anti-U.S. protests have been? @blakehounshell

Libya has arrested four "inciters," the Muslim Brotherhood is apparently coaxing demonstrations away from the US embassy in Cairo and the State Department doubts that al Qaeda was directly involved in the assassination in Benghazi.  We shall see.

My hunch is that short of some blunder Americans are going to quietly endorse a foreign policy that keeps the US at arm's length from the security issues of various Middle Eastern and South Asian nations.  I think Obama's equivocation over Egypt's status as an "ally" was intentional and acceptable; it seems crafted to go down reasonably well both at home and among our allies in the region while putting Egypt's fragile leadership on notice.

What do the rest of you think?  Anyone feel like opening a new thread?


Yeah, who do you have to kill around here to get an Open Thread? (2.00 / 6)
I've got some ruminations I want to do on the seeds and signs of the coming Romney Collapse.

There was only one joker in L.A. sensitive enough to wear that scent...and I had to find out who he was!

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