Romney: "And so my job is not to worry about those people (47% of American Citizens)"

by: Chris Blask

Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 21:16:04 PM EDT



Mitt Romney declared earlier this year that his job is not to worry about half of the country.

The American Conservative calls Mr. Romney:

Just Another Crude Reverse Class Warrior

...

Newsflash: Romney isn't simply a stiff. He's a jerk.

Emphasis not mine.

Chris Blask :: Romney: "And so my job is not to worry about those people (47% of American Citizens)"
You all know that I am the least leftwards Moose by many measures. That I embrace capitalism and many of the points of the Right in basic principle.

But it is true that there is an air of entitlement sometimes - not always - found among those who have never suffered the stress of financial risk, who have never worried about feeding themselves or their families. This entitlement comes through as a thoughtlessness unique to those fortunate enough to have been removed from the struggles that virtually every other human has faced at some point in their lives.

Mr. Romney is not a bad person because he is a businessman. He is not a bad person because he has never engaged in the kind of entrepreneurialism that keeps American ahead of the world in innovation, an entrepreneurialism that only comes from being forced to create by necessity. He is not a bad person because he was fortunate enough to have the capital to make his living by optimizing the ideas and efforts of others.

He may not be a bad person, at all.

But he has been unfortunate enough to not have suffered as the rest of us have. To never have stared into the eyes of his child or even the mirror and wonder what he will do to provide the next meal. To feel the bottomless fear that only a parent knows when they can no longer hide from their children the emptiness in the refrigerator.

There is something missing in his soul that cannot be replaced by reading, that has to be built by experience. He is akin to a child refusing to eat their broccoli despite "starving children in China" who would gladly eat if for them, because they simply cannot conceive of the concept.

For this we should pity him, for it leaves a bitter hole in the heart.

He is asking to lead us all, though. That requires an understanding of the people to be led. An understanding that he seems to lack in abundance.

As has been pointed out, 23% of Americans who do not pay income tax are poor. 10% are old and living on fixed incomes of Social Security they have paid for all their working lives.

And 7% are like Mr. Romney: well-off to rich individuals who take advantage of tax breaks to avoid paying taxes at all.

So, Mr. Romney, which of these constituencies are not your problem if you become President of the United States? The poor, the elderly or those - like yourself - who are wealthy enough to not pay taxes? Which of your neighbors, your fellow Republicans, the children of our country are not "your problem".

And just whose problem are they?

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ROMNEYSNAFUBAR (2.00 / 8)
He may not be a bad person, at all.

I have my doubts.

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I barely believe in bad people. (2.00 / 5)
They are really so rare, the ones who are just rotten through and through. Even those have to work to get there.

Some people are just missing pieces.



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[ Parent ]
concur (2.00 / 3)


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[ Parent ]
I dissent (2.00 / 6)
Blasky sets a very high bar to qualify as a "bad person" when what I think what he is really describing is an evil person. And that's leaving the whole "banality of evil" characterization aside.

My test is this: is the world a better place for you having been here. If yes, you led a good life, ergo a good person. If no, bad life/person. Romney is found wanting when you measure the consequences of Bain Capital versus Romneycare. Plus he threw his lot with some truly evil people he raised funds from, such as the Central American "Death Squads" Families.

There was only one joker in L.A. sensitive enough to wear that scent...and I had to find out who he was!


[ Parent ]
I wouldn't argue against your taxonomy. (2.00 / 5)
I have a bit of a hard time calling someone a bad person, but your "impact on the world around you" view is supportable.

I suppose I would say that otherwise good people cause a great deal of badness in the world. Not through intent, but through lack of effort to do what they know to be right.

John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."


[ Parent ]
Or Indeed... (2.00 / 6)
Like the Wizard himself, he might not be a 'bad man', just 'not a very good magician'.

I don't make any judgement on the morals of someone I don't know, but I can say this - I detest the values expressed in these video clips.

It's basically snobbery and entitlement: we're rich because we're good people, and others are poor because they're lazy, feckless and bad.

That's the nub of the problem: Romney making moral judgements about others based on spurious economic outcomes (and not even measuring the starting blocks).

I'm with Chris on much in regards to value of competition, enterprise and open markets. But we value the activities people who add value - and that can be someone who merely steps up one notch in their work. It's an open question where Mitt has added value to his already rich legacy.

But economic value should never ever be confused with moral and human value: that way slavery lies.    

The p***artist formerly known as 'Brit'


[ Parent ]
The early returns seem to suggest that the GOP is going to (2.00 / 6)
back Romney on these comments.  Preibus told CNN that Romney wasn't off message.  Erick Erickson and John Nolte want this Romney on the stump. Jennifer Rubin (!) thinks this video is a game changer for Romney.  I'm not sure how this will end up playing.  How many of that 47% are Romney voters thankyouverymuch? How many can't figure out that Romney is talking about them?

Polls are showing that the number of undecided is quite small now (6% in VA and 5% in OH/FL) so will something like this sway any of them?  Is it enough to sway some of the decideds?

My first impression was that Romney was dead in the water over this but I remember the Left lost its shit over Obama's bitter folks comments.  The difference is that Obama never said he didn't care about them; he didn't say they were not responsible.  And he didn't have an opponent who could make those comments work to their advantage.

I guess we'll have to stay tuned.  And no I don't pity Romney.  Fucker.

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette


also (2.00 / 6)
obama's guns/religion comment had the benefit of being true.

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[ Parent ]
While the undecideds is quite low (2.00 / 6)
there is still about 20% (I just made up that percentage) of Romney likely voters who are still persuadable. Is there any reason to believe that somehow the Romney campaign is going to get better? Romney may approach the political Mendoza Line of 40% at this rate.

And thanks for the laugh about Jennifer Rubin(!). She really needs to be bronzed after this election, she's so precious.

There was only one joker in L.A. sensitive enough to wear that scent...and I had to find out who he was!


[ Parent ]
To Be Fair... (2.00 / 6)
I accept he was saying "not worry about them" in the context of not worrying about trying to win their votes but that's about the extent of my willingness to defend anything said by that man for the moment.  The rest of his comments, not to mention his apparent contempt and arrogance, speak for themselves.

That's actually the way I read it but I'm really not in the mood (2.00 / 8)
to go to bat for the guy.  And he did say, in February I believe, that he didn't worry about the poor so there is some precedent for thinking otherwise.

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette

[ Parent ]
I won't go that far. (2.00 / 5)
I meant what I said - it is sad to see someone so untouched by life. But he meant what he said, that that 47% are freeloading weasels not worthy of respect, due only the contempt of the competent.

He did mean in his words that he didn't need to worry about their votes. But in his heart and in his voice he meant he didn't care about them.

John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."


[ Parent ]
Agreed (2.00 / 5)
The whole thing speaks so poorly for Romney, his campaign, the "brains trust" of the Right and their rapidly diminishing Party that granting him that point seems hardly relevant.  How long has it been since his campaign has won a news cycle again?  Two weeks?  11th dimensional chess is a bitch.

[ Parent ]
In the spirit of piling on (2.00 / 7)
if you have any doubts about Romney's empathy or lack thereof, here is an excerpt from Romney a wimp? Not so much, say gays who engaged with him as governor

By this point the plaintiff's stories had been widely covered by national media - in particular, Julie Goodridge's heartrending tale of how her then-partner, Hillary, was denied hospital visitation following the precarious birth of daughter Annie. It was the ignorance of these facts - and Romney's inaccurate, insensitive answer to her parting question, that pushed Julie Goodridge to her breaking point.

"I looked him in the eye as we were leaving," recalls Goodridge. "And I said, 'Governor Romney, tell me - what would you suggest I say to my 8 year-old daughter about why her mommy and her ma can't get married because you, the governor of her state, are going to block our marriage?'"

His response, according to Goodridge: "I don't really care what you tell your adopted daughter. Why don't you just tell her the same thing you've been telling her the last eight years."



There was only one joker in L.A. sensitive enough to wear that scent...and I had to find out who he was!

[ Parent ]
Icing on that shitpile is that the daughter wasn't adopted but (2.00 / 7)
Romney didn't even care enough to actually listen.

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette

[ Parent ]
holy fuck (2.00 / 6)
i'd never heard of this before.  he's worse than i imagined.

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[ Parent ]
me likey (2.00 / 6)
freeloaderdammerung

From Jonah Goldberg, no less.  

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette


lol! (2.00 / 4)


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[ Parent ]
Apparently the fundraiser was held at the home of (2.00 / 6)
...hedge fund manager Marc Leder.

According to the New York Post, Leder throws a pretty mean party.

His "wild end-of-summer bash was the talk of the Hamptons this year," the Post reported last December. "At the Bridgehampton home that Leder rented for a whopping $500,000 a month, guests cavorted nude in a pool and performed sex acts, while scantily clad Russian women danced on platforms. Dancers at the party also twirled flaming torches to booming beats."

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/a...  

I think I'm meh on this.  Rich people throw tacky parties all the time.

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette


That's what the money is for, sometimes. (2.00 / 5)
More power to them, drink and lech and make merry. Most of us would, at least sometimes, if we could.

But we're just too busy freeloading off of others to get around to it.

John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."


[ Parent ]
Hey... (2.00 / 4)
Don't forget that used to be our money.  And we have a lot more useful and wholesome things we could do with it.

[ Parent ]
Money Boo Boo had the thing in the home of this dude (2.00 / 5)
http://m.nypost.com/p/pagesix/...

Private-equity party boy Marc Leder is billing his stay on St. Barts this week as "Event Week 2011/2012," according to a rundown of Leder's parties that's floating around the island. The Sun Capital Partners honcho has hired party planner Amir Benesh to set up day-and-night bacchanals at his beachfront estate, including one tomorrow touted as the "Famous BBQ Pool Party." Benesh runs Models-Promo.com, which, its Web site says, offers models, cocktail waitresses, DJs and even fire dancers for shindigs. Rap mogul Russell Simmons attended Leder's welcome bash Monday with his girlfriend, Australian actress Melissa George. And Simmons' ex-wife, Kimora Lee, and her husband, Djimon Hounsou, also attended the party. But, spies say, the party was "tame" for Leder,



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I honor the place in you which is
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Chuck Todd is saying Romney himelf may respond tonight. (2.00 / 6)
Let me preview: it's Obama's fault.

I'll be out-of-pocket for awhile.  Someone take copious notes so I can point and laugh later.

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette


Standing By... (2.00 / 6)
From TPM:


Mitt Romney will reportedly hold a press conference momentarily to address the 47% comments. We have unconfirmed reports he'll take the 'wish I'd chosen my words more carefully' line.

I'll bet but no sale.  I can remember thinking that it was the first time he ever sounded sincere in all these years of listening to his bafflegab.  Occam's razor says he's a jerk.


[ Parent ]
Mitt Speaking (2.00 / 6)
He looks rattled and barely convincing.

[ Parent ]
he's on my tv. talking now. (2.00 / 7)
looks kinda like:



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presser - wow (2.00 / 6)
that didn't help.  wow.

did y'all see that?

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[ Parent ]
Fox... (2.00 / 6)
Broke away from the press conference after a couple of minutes?  WTF?  They seem rattled too.

[ Parent ]
i'm having no luck finding a transcript, vid, or write-up (2.00 / 6)
on the presser.  shouldn't there be something on the wire?

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[ Parent ]
I missed the vid, (2.00 / 7)
Found several writeups:

http://www.pjstar.com/free/x55...



John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."


[ Parent ]
Here Ya Go... (2.00 / 7)
Sound was a bit sketchy for me but might just be my computer:

He looks totally rattled and I thought it was pretty lame; about as presidential as someone who just raced across town to convene a meeting for which he had forgotten to prepare.  And then walks out.


[ Parent ]
Wow (2.00 / 7)
"That was a desperate man in a desperate situation" -- for sure.  Pair that with his equally hapless prepared statement and you have a man seeing his own personal Hindenberg moment.

Couldn't happen to a more deserving snake.

If it were done when 'tis done, then 'twere well it were done subjunctively.


[ Parent ]
I take it back. (2.00 / 7)
He's a bad person.

John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."

[ Parent ]
My work is done here nt (2.00 / 7)


There was only one joker in L.A. sensitive enough to wear that scent...and I had to find out who he was!

[ Parent ]
Charles Blow joins you in 'taking it back' (2.00 / 4)
I once wrote the following:
I have no personal gripe with Romney. I don't believe him to be an evil man. Quite the opposite: he appears to be a loving husband and father. Besides, evil requires conviction, which Romney lacks. But he is a dangerous man. Unprincipled ambition always is. Infinite malleability is its own vice because it's infinitely corruptible by others of ignoble intentions.

But Romney's taped comments open the door to doubt. I'm no longer confident in the basic goodness of his constitution.

One doesn't have to operate with great malice to do great harm. The absence of empathy and understanding are sufficient. In fact, a man convinced of his virtue even in the midst of his vice is the worst kind of man.

I Know Why the Caged Bird Shrieks by Charles M. Blow



There was only one joker in L.A. sensitive enough to wear that scent...and I had to find out who he was!

[ Parent ]
Rattled, inappropriate smirks at the end, (2.00 / 7)
not Presidential.

Reminds me of this:

Remember, this was the night he was launching he strike to kill bin Laden.

"These are the kind of decisions that would keep me up at night."


John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."

[ Parent ]
awkward. (2.00 / 6)
even his hair looked rattled.

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[ Parent ]
His hair. Wow. (2.00 / 6)
It's the first time I've seen him look so out of it. It's like he doesn't even give a shit anymore.  

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[ Parent ]
asdf (2.00 / 4)
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[ Parent ]
Is that... is that hair gel? (2.00 / 4)


There was only one joker in L.A. sensitive enough to wear that scent...and I had to find out who he was!

[ Parent ]
Hairspray meltdown :) (2.00 / 6)
He is catching hell in the Latinosphere for his Mexican "joke".

"If you're in a coalition and you're comfortable, you know it's not a broad enough coalition"

Bernice Johnson Reagon


[ Parent ]
Jokes about Brown People are always funny (2.00 / 2)
at the Club.



John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."


[ Parent ]
Now this is funny right here, (2.00 / 1)

I don't care who you are.

John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."


[ Parent ]
"Of course, individuals are going to take responsibility for their lives." (2.00 / 4)
"I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives."

"I was speaking off the cuff."

"Well, you, you said a number of things there, and the, the, answer is, that I'm talking about the political process of drawing people into my campaign. Uh, of course, individuals are, are going to take responsibility for lives and my campaign is about helping people take more responsibility and becoming, um, employed again, particularly those that don't have, don't have work and this whole campaign is focused on getting people jobs again. Putting people back to work. This, this is ultimately a, a question about direction for the country:

"Do you believe in a government center country that provides more and more benefits, or do you believe instead in a free enterprise sosciety where people are able to pursue their dreams I believe the latter will help people get more good jobs. This is a campaign fundamentally about how to help the middle class in America. And how to bring people out of peverty into the middle class. And we have seen the results of the last 3-4 years and it has not worked... tkae home pay."

"Well, um, uh you know it's not, ah, elegantly stated let me put it that way, I was speaking off the cuff in response to a, a question and I'm sure I could state it clearly and in a more effective way, uh, than I than I did in a setting like that, um, and and so I'll, I'm sure I'll point that out as time goes on but w-we don't even have the question, given the snippet ther, nor the response and I, I hope the person who, has the video would put out the, the full, uh, uh the full material, but it's a, it's a message which I'm, which I'm going to carry and continue to carry which is: 'look. the President's approach is attractive to people who are not paying taxes because, frankly, my, discussion about lowering taxes isn't as attractive to them and therefore I'm likely to draw them into my [laughs]campaign as effectively as those who are in the middle."

I can't quite count all of the "um, uh" and stalling words (repeat "and" "at"...). 'Non-committal grunts' in public speaking terms. Just a flustered, fast-talking person who wants to rush through and get off stage as fast as possible.

What you do when you get like that is to stop. Breath. Start over, and own the room.

Harder in some ways in person (though I dunno, I freaking love a podium and a room full of folks). Late last week I had a screwup with a call - opened the wrong web bridge and was cranky that the major player at a multi-billion-dollar vendor was late. After keeping him cooling his heels for five minutes we connected and his first gruff words were.

"Let's get this over with."

I slowed my speech. A lot. Pedantically. This was a critical freaking conversation that could be the making of a national system I have been stitching together all year.

I left calm, gaping holes in the presentation.

Mitt just totally lost his mind in front of the press and cameras. I would be drinking heavily about now if that had been me.

John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."


[ Parent ]
Oh, the vendor? (2.00 / 4)
They are in. He's joining me on stage in Denver next month to launch the center at the Dept of Homeland Security ICS Joint Working Group conference.

John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."

[ Parent ]
Congratulations (2.00 / 4)
BTW, you don't know me.

[ Parent ]
*Know* you?? (2.00 / 4)
Shit, man, I'm already planning on blaming you!

John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."

[ Parent ]
know him? (2.00 / 3)
who the hell are you?

how did you all crack into my diary?

Oo
___

wait, this isn't real.  it's the st. elsewhere ending.

i'm in a coma, aren't i?

don't answer that.

liars.

Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey
 


[ Parent ]
Points at Fog. (2.00 / 4)
"He did it, officer."


John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."

[ Parent ]
Okay.... (2.00 / 4)
I watched it again with the sound turned off, just watched the body language.

He looked like a second-rate car salesman frantically trying to hold onto a buyer who's found a better buy at the dealership down the road.

Even his typical smirk was gone; it trembled toward birth between questions (what the hell is it -- an auto-tic?), but as each question drilled into him his whole face sagged.

If it were done when 'tis done, then 'twere well it were done subjunctively.


[ Parent ]
here 'tis (2.00 / 5)
first i've seen anyway:

Already scrambling to steady a struggling campaign, Republican Mitt Romney confronted a new headache Monday after a video surfaced showing him telling wealthy donors that almost half of all Americans "believe they are victims" entitled to extensive government support. He added that as a candidate for the White House, "my job is not to worry about those people."

At a hastily called news conference late in the day, Romney conceded the comments weren't "elegantly stated" and that they were spoken "off the cuff."

[snip]

In his remarks to reporters, Romney did not dispute the authenticity of the hidden-camera footage, but he called for the release of the full video, instead of the clips posted online. He sought to clarify his remarks but did not apologize.

"It's not elegantly stated, let me put it that way. I was speaking off the cuff in response to a question. And I'm sure I could state it more clearly in a more effective way than I did in a setting like that," Romney said. "Of course I want to help all Americans. All Americans have a bright and prosperous future."

sure dude, whatever.

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[ Parent ]
Check cnn.com (2.00 / 4)
But all it has is Romney rattling (and I do mean rattling) through his prepared remarks, trying desperately to spin away the damage.  The tape cuts off abruptly, with no followup questions shown, but even the part that is shown displays a man in panic.

If it were done when 'tis done, then 'twere well it were done subjunctively.

[ Parent ]
God that was a beautiful ship. (2.00 / 5)
What a tragedy.

Wonder if anyone will say the same about the GOP campaign?

John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."


[ Parent ]
it's this part, i think, that's worst (2.00 / 7)
I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives.

47%


Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey
 


...and it's as 'genuine' as i've ever heard him. (2.00 / 6)


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[ Parent ]
I was about to post that part, (2.00 / 7)
but had to watch the Hindenberg clip first.

That is the worst part. "I will never convince them..."

He said that "off the cuff" which, just like too much liquor, has a Truth Serum effect.

You didn't say that because you were drinking, you forgot not to say it because you were drinking.

He's written off half the country. "I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives."

And he believes it.

John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."


[ Parent ]
Hindenberg clip is mesmerizing. (2.00 / 5)


Just because they are posting on a progressive site doesn't make them progressives. - John Allen

[ Parent ]
What is the difference (2.00 / 5)
between the Hindenberg and Mitt Romney?
One was a giant gasbag that went spectacularly down in flames and the other was a beautiful German dirigible.

There was only one joker in L.A. sensitive enough to wear that scent...and I had to find out who he was!

[ Parent ]
You folks need to stop that. (2.00 / 3)

They're gonna have to take me away in a strait jacket...

John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."


[ Parent ]
A good breakdown of who those non-payers are (2.00 / 5)
is found here:

The lowest-income Americans - those who make less than $25,000 a year - account for the largest number of those not paying any federal income tax: 76% as of 2009. But that share has been decreasing for years. Meanwhile, the percentage of nontaxable returns has been growing for people with higher incomes. As of 2009, more than 20,000 filers making more than $200,000 a year - 1,470 of whom had adjusted gross income of more than $1 million - owed no income tax

...the percentage increase was even bigger for higher wage earners. Nontaxable returns from people with income between $75,000 and $100,000 went from 4,025 in 1996 to 476,624 in 2009 - an increase of almost 12,000%. More than 1,400 millionaires didn't pay income taxes in 2009, either.

Forbes'  Janet Novack has this to say to Mitt Romney tonight:

Memo To Mitt Romney: The 47% Pay Taxes Too

...

Political suicide? I'll leave it to the pundits to analyze the impact Romney's comments will have on his election prospects.

...

In 2009, according to Internal Revenue Service studies, six of the 400 U.S. tax filers with the highest adjusted gross income (meaning AGI of at least $77 million) paid no U.S. income tax, while 19,551 U.S.  households with income above $200,000 owed no U.S. or foreign  income tax.

So maybe a higher share of the American public should be paying at least some amount of federal income tax.  The tax code would be simpler, and probably fairer, if we reduced the number of tax expenditures for the wealthy and non-wealthy alike. We all might give more thought to spending restraint.  Then, too, we're all protected by the military and rely on public infrastructure  to get to our jobs, schools, stores and doctors-and yes, to build our businesses.

Even Forbes can't find anything good to say about this.

John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."


Chait (2.00 / 7)
Eviscerates him, after demonstrating the complete fallacy of the underlying argument:


The revelations in this video come to me as a genuine shock. I have never hated Romney. I presumed his ideological makeover since he set out to run for president was largely phony, even if he was now committed to carry through with it, and to whatever extent he'd come to believe his own lines, he was oblivious or naive about the damage he would inflict upon the poor, sick and vulnerable.  It seems unavoidable now to conclude that Romney's embrace of Paul Ryanism is born of actual contempt for the looters and moochers, a class war on behalf of his own class.

Jonathan Chait - The Real Romney Captured On Tape Turns Out To Be A Sneering Plutocrat New York 17 Sep 12

I'm angry that a major political party could have so much contempt for the country we share and all it stands for.


[ Parent ]
I follow Chait on Twitter. (2.00 / 7)
He truly was taken quite aback by that video.

Josh Barro at Bloomberg thinks Romney lost the election today, fwiw.

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette


[ Parent ]
Me Too (2.00 / 5)
The public may not actually care but the media is likely going to treat him like Nixon post-Watergate; damaged goods.  He's been using them for fools and they can't deny it.

[ Parent ]
Go read David Brooks' latest. (2.00 / 6)
Romney is toast.

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette

[ Parent ]
Well... (2.00 / 5)
He did reset his campaign.  And blacked out the modern Republican Party.

[ Parent ]
Well... (2.00 / 6)
That about wraps up the 2012 campaign.  If you were a Romney donor I'm guessing you could find a better investment at the race track.

What do you suppose the media is going to be filling in with between now and election day?


he did take in about 4 million tonight so someone is willing to (2.00 / 6)
put out.

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette

[ Parent ]
Yeah... (2.00 / 6)
Guessing they were too busy eating and networking to check their tweets.

[ Parent ]
Momentum. (2.00 / 5)
This is only news to the fervent geeks or those who happen to be in front of a media device.

It will propagate from here.

That was just frazzle city. Awful, horrible, awkward, trust-damaging performance.

You can't let yourself come unglued like that. Ever.

The confidence level in those that want to support him is bent. The inspiration he needs to generate is hampered.

That was just career-ending bad.

John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."


[ Parent ]
Heh (2.00 / 5)
Even over at NRO:


I don't think there is any way to spin the release of this video as a positive for Romney...

And they posted a video of the presser; why the hell not, I'm guessing there were ice sculptures on the Titanic too.


[ Parent ]
HA! (2.00 / 1)
heeheehee

ho ho ho

Dammit, now my new neighbors will think I'm whacked(er). Giggling away late at night out on the screened porch.



John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."


[ Parent ]
I don't buy the meme (2.00 / 6)
that this is the decisive end to Mitt's campaign. Much like Peak Wingnut has been proven to be approached but never achieved, so Tipping Point Romney is asymptotic.
Santayana rules.

There was only one joker in L.A. sensitive enough to wear that scent...and I had to find out who he was!

[ Parent ]
Sure, no one point is that decisive. (2.00 / 6)
I think the convention was the crux, and this just pushes it further down hill.

But anything is possible. Most people aren't political junkies.

John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."


[ Parent ]
Dunno (2.00 / 5)
I'm usually pretty reluctant but watching Mitt at the presser spoke volumes to me; he's taken too many on the chin in recent days.

Consider, from the day the Republican convention began he's had one setback after another each one propogating more confusion and disorder in his campaign; which was never ready for prime time in the first place.  Did you see the graph of the respective campaigns' ad buys over the last two weeks?  It is just plain incompetence.  I was thinking yesterday that they were already close to achieving criticality and implode and now this.

For two weeks they have careered from one avoidable crisis to the next and haven't won a single news cycle.  And on the day the whole press corps was tuned in to see if he could regroup and rally from a deficit position he gets hit with a thunderbolt which undermines not only his character and competence but the fundamental ethos of his entire campaign.  Never mind exposing the "real" Romney which has tantalisingly eluded us all these months; who knew he really was, as Chait described, a "sneering plutocrat."  Well, we all do now.

No, I would be amazed, frankly, if the campaign didn't falter fatally from this point and take a fair share of the Right-wing along with it.  Watch for the rats leaping for the mooring lines tomorrow among the conservative punditry; without their earnest support he ain't going to make it.


[ Parent ]
Actually, I agree with your analysis (2.00 / 4)
That's why I want to project what a Romney collapse would entail. I think we are seeing something unique, quite different from the soldierly marches of Dole or McCain to their certain defeat. Romney is a complete different kettle of fish. More thoughts tomorrow.

In particular, I want to base this on the axiom that Mitt is contemptuous of the political arts, unlike any other Presidential nominee in my lifetime.

There was only one joker in L.A. sensitive enough to wear that scent...and I had to find out who he was!


[ Parent ]
Makers vs Takers (2.00 / 5)
It's just plain un-American and it rubs people the wrong way.  It looks bad enough on some jerk in a pickup truck but for a presidential candidate it is just fatally toxic.

[ Parent ]
My former neighbor Mel would, I think, have colorful things to say about this. (2.00 / 6)
"I was born poor, raised poor and lived poor", the 43 year old  good old boy had said to me. He was already unimpressed with Romney and for all his deeply Southern Christian conservatism he thought the Tea Party was a bunch of clowns.

Mel was a polite and pleasant man and we developed a deep fondness for each other during our short time together. I told him (as I am wont to do) a lot about my struggles and successes as he passed me tools and held boards. For all my love of big words and Obama the fact that I would work hard with my hands to make my home good for my kids earned me his honest respect.

His mom had been given Electric Shock Therapy to "treat" her mental disorders, destroying her brain. The grandmother who raised him was born in 1914 and worshiped FDR. Mel loves his gramma, now 98 and from the sounds of it a pillar of poor southern stoicism. I doubt grandma ever had enough money to pay income tax. Mel has probably not made enough money to pay taxes in recent years.

I wish I could talk to Mel, just now. I can imagine what he would have to say about a rich boy with soft, soft hands who sneers so contemptuously at him and his wife. Who sneers at his Gramma.

It probably would not be wise for Mr. Romney to be alone in a room with Mel.

John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."


[ Parent ]
A little on the side... (2.00 / 7)
It appears Daily Kos had this story two weeks ago, but the source got trolled and then autobanned.

So much for liberal tolerance.

And as an example of Kos' techno libertarianism leading to sudden moments of authoritarian fury, he blames his whole user base for the problem 'you guys...'

So it looks like Kos is also having a revealing moment when he proves his dislikes his own electorate.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/...

The p***artist formerly known as 'Brit'


Thats hilarious, (2.00 / 7)
I never go there anymore. That crew really just likes to have somone to yell at.
  Looks like Markos had a tantrum.

[ Parent ]
Turns out the ones doing the HRing (2.00 / 5)
were the Queen Bee herself and some of her followers. I checked and there weren't any 'pragmatists' involved. Markos was called on his blanket condemnation and backed down.

Interestingly, he writes that some major changes in the present user moderation system is coming. Personally, I would raise the bar significantly on the 'Trusted User' status.

There was only one joker in L.A. sensitive enough to wear that scent...and I had to find out who he was!


[ Parent ]
On the latter - exactamundo (2.00 / 4)
Being a trusted user must mean something like - er - you're not a multiple sockpuppet (cf the Nephew). But no, rather than do anything about trusted users, Kos tells me he wants more people and more traffic: hence the catch 22 of trolling and over-reaction he has to live with.

I put this all down to techno libertarianism, or the belief that some kind of algorithm can substitute for personal judgement.

Call it dot.communism if you like. It doesn't work.  

The p***artist formerly known as 'Brit'


[ Parent ]
On the second BTW (2.00 / 4)
I think the Queen Bee you mentioned has been pretty exemplary of late, and distanced herself from the frustrati trollers of the past, who had (following the lead of a certain poet) a distinct tendency to falling into dismissing AAs as part of their radical agenda.

So that part of it is probably coincidental, or an unfortunate byproduct of a change of heart that was more focused on community moderation

(I know that's all so fucking cryptic but this is a public blog)

The p***artist formerly known as 'Brit'


[ Parent ]
Say no more /paulmccartney (2.00 / 4)
I've noticed the same better behavior and give credit where due. Some of it might be due to a change in fertility status. Sorry to be so cryptic.

There was only one joker in L.A. sensitive enough to wear that scent...and I had to find out who he was!

[ Parent ]
Tigers can't change their stripes. (2.00 / 4)
They're Grrrrreat! / tony

Just because they are posting on a progressive site doesn't make them progressives. - John Allen

[ Parent ]
Seeing on Twitter that now we have a new tape of (2.00 / 4)
Romney again insulting the Palestinians.  Am on phone and need to get into shower so I can't provide more detail.

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette

Here it is. (2.00 / 2)

The slow slicing sound...

John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."


[ Parent ]
Actually... (2.00 / 4)
As much of an insight into Mitt's being in the tank for Netanyahu as this is I don't really see that it has the same electoral impact.  It's damning as Hell in a wonkish way but doesn't betray anything like the arrogance and disdain of the previous clip.  

[ Parent ]
These fundraisers just seem like a bad idea (2.00 / 6)
Honestly, it is incredibly naive to assume that there are no recording devices anywhere in a room full of supporters.  Divulging your "true thoughts" about a group of people in that setting is just a recipe for disaster.

Exactly, apparently no one on his staff watched the 08 election. (2.00 / 5)
I don't think we will see Obama do this twice.

[ Parent ]
Wow (2.00 / 4)
Ok, sounds like it's about to get a lot worse for Romney.

http://dailycurrant.com/2012/0...


Actually, that one's made up (2.00 / 3)
I guess even Romney isn't that stupid.

[ Parent ]
Oh, satire? (2.00 / 3)
And yet, what does it say about the MIttster that it's so very believable?

If it were done when 'tis done, then 'twere well it were done subjunctively.

[ Parent ]
Yep (2.00 / 4)
Unfortunately, it's a parody, albeit extremely believable these days.

[ Parent ]
Hooooooooooooooooooooooooly shit (2.00 / 4)
This.......

Oh. my. god.

He's not even toast.  Not even burnt-out crumbs in the garbage disposal.  He's nuked himself from orbit.

Last part of that story had me howling:

"I can't believe he just did that, " says Lindsay Graham, a moderate Republican senator from South Carolina "Do you think he's mentally ill or something? I'm starting to wonder."

Democratic analyst Paul Begala, however, has a different theory:

"I'm begining to think that Romney might be a robot Democrats sent from the future to prevent anyone from ever voting Republican again. Its the only thing that makes sense at this point."



If it were done when 'tis done, then 'twere well it were done subjunctively.

[ Parent ]
More & more Lindsay Graham is wondering what happened to his party, (2.00 / 3)
This could be a fun 6 weeks.

[ Parent ]
Not only was Romney otiose (2.00 / 5)
...he was factually wrong. Two thirds of that 47 percent pay payroll tax. The reason they were taken out of income tax is because - dah dah - of Republican polices. See Ezra Klein

http://www.washingtonpost.com/...

The p***artist formerly known as 'Brit'


On Reflection... (2.00 / 6)
And having picked myself up off the floor from the shock of the insulting remarks about Obama voters Romney made in the first video released by Mother Jones I realize that another titbit was at least equally damaging to his campaign:


It depends of course which markets you're talking about, which types of commodities and so forth, but my own view is that if we win on November 6th, there will be a great deal of optimism about the future of this country. We'll see capital come back and we'll see - without actually doing anything - we'll actually get a boost in the economy. If the president gets reelected, I don't know what will happen. I can - I can never predict what the markets will do. Sometimes it does the exact opposite of what I would have expected.

David Corn - SECRET VIDEO: Romney Tells Millionaire Donors What He REALLY Thinks of Obama Voters Mother Jones 16 Sep 12

Whoa.  "We'll see capital come back and we'll see - without actually doing anything - we'll actually get a boost in the economy."  This is the managerial flourish Mitt has cited in numerous interviews in defence of the numbers in his economic plan for the entire nation?  One part arrogance, two parts humbug and a dash of pixie dust but mostly not actually doing anything?  

This isn't an economic policy, it's not even bullsh*t; it is an echo chamber feedback loop.  Followed, no less, by the humble admission, "I can - I can never predict what the markets will do. Sometimes it does the exact opposite of what I would have expected."  As the core strategy for the economic recovery of a world power by a major political party it would have to be the flimsiest thread of self-delusion I could have possibly imagined.

In the absence of the other flabbergasting comments methinks this comment alone would have been enough to snag headlines wondering at the candidate's qualification for the position.  I hope we hear more about it when the shock of Romney's other remarks wears off.


I think Joe Scarborough has said it well enough in the past two days. (2.00 / 4)
Sure, anything is possible. I could rain in the desert every day for the next year.

But that isn't going to happen.

What will happen is that the speed wobble will worsen as the sharks feed and circle. Early comments on this race regarding the desire of most GOP likely candidates at staying far away will prove increasingly true. Proximity Avoidance Mode is already kicking in across the political right and those with a desire for future function will want to get their toes even further away from falling masonry.

Now is the start of the cycle where being the GOP pundit who, back in '012, was on the record at seeing the crash coming becomes Career Building resume fodder.

And so it goes...

At least three Republican electors (sic) say they may not support their party's presidential ticket when the Electoral College meets in December to formally elect the next president, escalating tensions within the GOP and adding a fresh layer of intrigue to the final weeks of the White House race.


John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."

[ Parent ]
And the winning answer is? (2.00 / 5)


John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."

I knew Jennifer Rubin reminded me of someone... (2.00 / 8)

I think she has now earned the epithet "reality averse" for perpetuity.  From now on, she mus always be referred to as "the reality averse Jennifer Rubin."

The future is unwritten


Baghdad Bob! (2.00 / 5)
Whatever happened to him?

He was so cute.

John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."


[ Parent ]
Signed on (2.00 / 5)
as Romney's communications director?

If it were done when 'tis done, then 'twere well it were done subjunctively.

[ Parent ]
heheheh (2.00 / 3)


John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."

[ Parent ]
Question: (2.00 / 7)
Is the Romney campaign dead enough to get one of those posthumous LDS baptisms?

Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey
 


lolololol (2.00 / 6)
Out loud.

If it were done when 'tis done, then 'twere well it were done subjunctively.

[ Parent ]
Campaigns are People, my friend! (2.00 / 3)
I'm sure Jon Huntsman will be happy to preside.

There was only one joker in L.A. sensitive enough to wear that scent...and I had to find out who he was!

[ Parent ]
Saw an actual tweet yesterday that asked that same question. (2.00 / 2)
Figured I'd copy/pasted enough tweets, though.  (If nothing else, that fiasco has been a gold mine of tweets.)

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette

[ Parent ]
99 Problems but A Mitt aint one (2.00 / 7)
If you're having voter problems I feel bad for you son
I got 99 problems but a Mitt aint one

Obot patrol on the net patrol
Foes want to put our dreams on hold
Pol critics that say he's "Kenyan Muslim Hoes"
He's from Harvard stupid what kind of facts are those

If you grew up with holes in your American freedom roles
You'd celebrate the minute your side got made
I'm like racist you don't like the way things bees
You can grab Ayn Rand John Galt and leave
Got beef with cable cause they slant our show
They wont tell it legit well I don't give a shit SO
MSM try and make a race So they can catch some of that Citizens United Cash....Fuckers

Don't know what they take my brother as
Or understand the brilliance Barack Obama has
From Indo to Boston He aint dumb
He got 99 problems but Mitt Romney aint one #HITME



"I honor the place in you where Spirit lives
I honor the place in you which is
of Love, of Truth, of Light, of Peace,
when you are in that place in you,
and I am in that place in me,
then we are One."  Namaste Friends!


So I go "offline" for a few hours and come back to find out (2.00 / 6)
the Ann (!) Romney did an interview where she says that Mitt "doesn't distain the poor" and then the campaign removes the video from their official account.  Jesus Christ do these people not understand how the Internet works?!

See video at: Buzzfeed.  No wonder the campaign doesn't want folks to "tire" of Ann.  But, hey, Obama said something in 1998 about redistribution."  

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette


Simple Solution (2.00 / 4)
Stay connected, don't sleep; have plenty of popcorn and strong coffee on hand.

[ Parent ]
I am too damned old. :) (2.00 / 3)


"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette

[ Parent ]
Just Wondering (2.00 / 5)
Looking at this analysis of campaign advertising over time by the respective campaigns:


This shows that ads sponsored by Obama, the DNC and Democratic-affiliated groups outnumbered those aired by their Republican counterparts up until the end of July. Then, with the exception of the second week of the Olympics, Republican ads began to outnumber Democratic ads by 10,000 or more, but this advantage disappeared during the weeks of the RNC and DNC - as the Republicans stood down while Democrats maintained comparable levels of advertising.

John Sides - The Ad Wars: Obama has been outspending Romney and the superPACs Washington Post 17 Sep 12

...and also considering this titbit regarding the bridging loan the Romney campaign secured around the time of the convention:


Before the Republican National Convention, Mitt Romney was the Republican nominee in all but name. By law, however, he could only spend primary donations until he officially became nominee. To increase cash flow during the interregnum, the Romney campaign borrowed $20 million.

[...]

When federal election reports are released later this week, they'll show debt of $15 million, but the campaign's actual debt is roughly $11 million. The campaign will soon begin fundraising to pay off the remainder.

Robert Costa - Romney Campaign Borrowed $20 Million National Review 18 Sep 12

One has to wonder if the perception of Romney's campaign, as opposed to SuperPACs, as flush with funds is strictly accurate.  I'm not pretending this is a serious analysis of campaign finances but this loan seems to have been secured at the time their advertising purchases dropped precipitously.  Was this money borrowed to cover an overhang, or ongoing costs?  The justification for going dark given at the time was that advertising is wasted during the conventions; an odd notion not shared, clearly, by the Obama campaign.

Most campaigns count on fund-raising over time to sustain expenses and it may be an additional headache if they were also worried that recent perceptions of a faltering effort might affect their cash flow at a critical time.


The other thing is that we know the fundraising of the other (2.00 / 5)
GOP candidates sucked so were folks holding off donating to anyone until they knew who'd sown up the nomination?

I think those of us who pay attention understand that this is a bit of and illusion, for lack of a better term, because the Romney campaign has money for the GE but in a week that has been really bad for him will this be another lost media cycle as they try to explain the loan?  That's assuming something else doesn't wreck Romney's week.  Word from the campaign's plane is that the mood is pretty down.  hehehehehehehe

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette


[ Parent ]
Yeah... (2.00 / 5)
"[T]he Romney campaign has money for the GE" but how much?  Bridging loan tells me they had exhausted their primary funds before the convention trigger that opened up general election resources.  So they're already robbing Peter to pay Paul.  $20M is not "walking around" money yet it wasn't being used to pay for advertising during the convention.  Look at the chart again; Romney's people clearly went really big in late July and August.  Guessing they wanted to break the polling tie headed into the conventions; it didn't work and I'm wondering if they dug themselves a little hole there.

The NRO piece looks like a bit of preventative spin for when the Romney campaign finance reporting is released and shows their debt position; just sayin'.  The only aspect of their campaign's health that hasn't been questioned recently is their cash position.  Don't forget what happened to Hillary, another candidate perceived as bringing big bucks, back in February/March 2008.  


[ Parent ]
I was going to suggest the campaign would cough up some (2.00 / 5)
details on their financials until I realized about whom I would have been talking.  They raised a ton of money over the summer, $100 million+ for both July and August IIRC (although POTUS outraised them in August).  I would assume most if not all of that is GE money since by then he had the nomination.

Something tells me these folks don't sleep in cheap motels and eat McDonalds.

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette


[ Parent ]
Yeah... (2.00 / 4)
But I'm guessing their burn rate has been equally horrific.  Without careful management it can easily get away from you when you are running big in expensive media markets nationwide; see Hillary 2008.

Not to mention that salaries for their elite, expert staff and consultants (chuckle) wouldn't come cheaply.  You rightly scoff at the budget accommodation and fast-food notion but if I was tracking his campaign I would be looking closely for sudden evidence of frugality just now.


[ Parent ]
Hmmm... (2.00 / 6)
Just talking about campaign money:


Despite the closer contest in recent months, Obama has still raised far more than his competitor overall and, as of the end of July, had amassed a 3-to-1 staffing advantage on the Republicans. Obama also has more money under his direct control in his campaign bank account, allowing him to take advantage of statutory discounts for ad rates.

Romney, by contrast, has more money stashed in accounts held by the Republican Party, which can accept large checks from the wealthy donors that Romney has relied upon. This will give his campaign less flexibility on how to spend the money in the final weeks.

Dan Eggen and Philip Rucker - Romney camp used $20M loan to cope with summer cash flow woes Washington Post 19 Sep 12

As for as campaign money goes I don't see that improving for Romney just now.  Point to Obama.


[ Parent ]
Fun with Advertising numbers (2.00 / 5)
For numbers freaks, The National Journal has the Ad Spending in Presidential Battleground States page which is an awesome resource.

So I grabbed the numbers for May 1 -> present ad spending by the campaigns and their SuperPACs. Here are their totals:

 CampaignSuperPACSTotal
Obama$186,473,833$29,786,821$216,260,654
Romney$92,647,233$163,975,803$256,623,036

However, not all dollars are equal. The core campaigns pay something called the lowest unit rate that, well here's how the US News explains it:

That's because by law, political candidates pay only the lowest unit rates for advertising. Issue-based advertising, however, which is the category where Super PAC ads fall, do not. Super PACs sometimes pay three times what political candidates do for an ad, and advertisers would much rather run a Super PAC ad than an ad by a down-ticket candidate.

Bold for emphasis.

For no discernible reason, I recalculated the above, dividing the SuperPAC funds by 3 and came up with the new totals:

 CampaignSuperPACS/3Total
Obama$186,473,833$9,928,940$196,402,773
Romney$92,647,233$54,658,601$147,305,834

Advantage Obama. Q.E.D.

There was only one joker in L.A. sensitive enough to wear that scent...and I had to find out who he was!


[ Parent ]
Not to Mention... (2.00 / 6)
Smart SuperPAC money follows winnable races.  The more I look at this it seems that Romney has boxed himself in badly; he's tapped out a lot of his donors and has been reporting big buck raised for the RNC all along as if it was for his campaign.

What's up with that?  Just to have one mini-cycle of news back in spring and summer that he has outraised Obama he has created a false expectation and made the truth an irresistible story of financial trouble later on?  And paid his staff bonuses?

If there is one narrative he can't survive it is that he is a crappy financial manager.  Sheesh.  A bunch of amateurs.


[ Parent ]
Paul Krugman agrees with you (2.00 / 7)
Victory has a thousand fathers:

But a good chunk comes from business interests, Wall Street in particular, that historically try to buy influence with whoever they think will win. They like Romney better than Obama - he doesn't look at them funny - but they've placed a very big bet on the Republicans this time compared with previous occasions, and they have to be feeling nervous.

If they come to the conclusion that they invested in a loser, they will try to cover their position by rushing a lot of cash to Obama in the final weeks of the campaign. And that will blunt the one big advantage Romney still has.

Spinning for Dollars

And so does Peggy Noonan:

That was a gamble on Obama's part: spend it now, pull ahead in the battlegrounds, once we pull ahead more money will come in because money follows winners, not losers.

Bold for emphasis.

Here's what I think is going on. Particularly 2000-4, you have regional power players who are on the fund raisers speed dial. They contribute the max along with their spouse, kids and spouses, managers in their company who get coincidental 'bonuses' and top suppliers whose orders are padded the appropriate amount. Their network contribution may be 6 figures. If they think the nominee has a decent chance of winning.

But the ROI on a losing Presidential campaign is zero. So what's happening now is the power player is getting their ticket punched via a token dinner with just them and their spouse. Here is a very telling anecdote:

To get a flavor of the challenge before them, a top donor said that after Romney spoke at a fundraising breakfast at the Hilton New York on Friday, a will-Mitt-win poll was taken at one table of 10 men, each of whom had paid at least $2,500 to attend, and some of whom had raised as much as $50,000 for the campaign. Not a single man said yes.

Romney rescue plan: More Mitt

I was predicting that the Big Money Flip would occur mid-October but I now think it will happen starting the first week of the month.

There was only one joker in L.A. sensitive enough to wear that scent...and I had to find out who he was!


[ Parent ]
I'm Guessing... (2.00 / 6)
It's already happening.  In spite of a narrative recently that Romney would be doing more campaigning than fund-raising he is still out rustling up money:


Romney, faced with second-guessing within his own party over his strategy, was staying away from swing states Saturday and raising money in California instead, eager to recover his fundraising advantage.

Jim Kuhnhenn - Obama shores up Wisconsin while Romney seeks money AP via Yahoo 22 Sep 12

For "eager" read "desparate."  It's basically the one thing he is competent at; the thing he has done all his life.  I fail to believe that he was the brains behind Bain, just the well named glad-hander for potential investors.  And now he's fumbled even that by overstating receipts; it must be a lot harder today than it was before the conventions.

As for the SuperPACs, Rove's pitch has always been to firewall down-ticket races in the event of a Romney fizzle.  I'm guessing it would take very little to send all that money into key Senate and House races.  From all the digging I've done it seems to be already under way; Crossroads spending doesn't seem to be following Romney's very closely.


[ Parent ]
This sort of raises a question I thought of this morning. (2.00 / 7)
How often, if ever, has Romney recently campaigned outside areas he's likely to win?  I truly have no idea.  I know that at some point he made that famous "who let the dogs out" video with kids in Philadelphia but it seems he generally campaigns in areas that are safe.  (I know he just did a fundraising event in CA which we all know is a state that he'll lose but why do I assume that was in a traditionally red area?)

(Apparently he is going back to my hometown, Westerville, OH, which is whiter than white and safer than safe.)

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette


[ Parent ]
I think his recent Cali fundraiser... (2.00 / 7)
was in San Diego, which is a pretty liberal city overall.  Still, lots of military (Navy and Marines) in that area and they trend conservative as you know.  Coronado, in particular, is considered pretty conservative (like Orange County).  Generally, Norcal is more liberal than Socal by the numbers (i.e. registration).

Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey
 


[ Parent ]
How Often Has He Campaigned... (2.00 / 7)
Period.  He's getting a lot of flak for having a sparse campaigning schedule.  Let's face it; for a campaign which is light on specifics with a less than charismatic candidate prone to mistakes that is an understandable strategy.

I agree with this critique of the unwelcome advice he is now getting from conservatives:


Be calm, Governor Romney, as you clearly project trillions in additional debt and vividly pledge the impoverishment of seniors and graphically promise more endless global wars.  

You see, Governor, many voters will viscerally, violently disagree with you, but gee won't they admire your political honesty?

P M Carpenter - Mitt Romney: impossibly screwed P M Carpenter's Commentary 23 Sep 12

It's not just a hopelessly insincere and inappropriate candidacy; the whole Republican platform is a schematic for a Randian dystopia.  I would be happier fund-raising too rather than go out in public and try to sell a rat's ass to a blind man for a wedding ring.  They must be really looking forward to those debates, eh?


[ Parent ]
The focus on fundraising really highlights the stories about the (2.00 / 5)
real state of money with the Dems and GOP.  And it seems Romney would really rather beg for money (and/or hang with his buds) than work at explaining his policies.

And the laugher this am was Preibus telling whichever morning show he was on that they've been up to their eyeballs in policy detail.  As someone on Twitter said, those details aren't coming out of their mouths.

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette


[ Parent ]
Yeah... (2.00 / 4)
I'm suggesting the problem is even bigger for Romney, he can't talk about policy because he's stuck with the radical prescription that evolved from the primary campaign.  The problem isn't the candidate, it's the whole damn party:


The kibitzers know this, of course, which is why they grinningly offer the empty universal of "calm clarity" rather than encourage the grim particulars of even more mountainous debt and the voucherization of elderly poverty and multiple Iraqs.

The result is a kind of round-robin scam, which by now everyone is in on: Outside consultants propose impossibly vague remedies to an impossibly opaque and spiderishly insincere candidate who must please two impossibly irreconcilable constituencies (the lunatic base and independents) which is, as we all know, impossible.

P M Carpenter - Mitt Romney: impossibly screwed P M Carpenter's Commentary 23 Sep 12

Good luck to them; it is pretty amusing to watch but there is only one way forward, they can only go negative on Obama which probably explains how Mitt has gotten to where he is today.  They are between a rock and a hard place.


[ Parent ]
For Example... (2.00 / 6)
Another dissenting opinion:


I feel the need to stand up and reiterate: Romney's problems aren't all Romney's fault. They're not even half his fault. They're chiefly the fault of a movement and political party that has gone off the deep end. Almost every idiotic thing Romney has done, after all, can be traced to the need he feels to placate groups of people who are way out there in their own ideological solar system, with no purchase at all on how normal Americans feel and think about things. This is much the harder question for Noonan and others to confront, and they really ought to ponder it.

Michael Tomansky - Michael Tomasky: Don't Blame Mitt for the GOP's Problems Daily Beast 23 Sep 12

And it's not just liberals saying this; I spent half the weekend reading dissenting conservatives like Conor Friersdorf:


Victory would mean establishing norms that would've made Roger Ailes too ashamed to air all those months of Glenn Beck; that would've made the Claremont Institute mortified to give Rush Limbaugh a statesmanship award; that would've made Matthew Continetti cringe at the idea of a modeling a conservative publication on what he disdains about liberal publications; norms that would've caused Erick Erickson to apologize for his absurd parade of indefensible statements before it complicated his successful effort to start a CNN gig; and that would make Mitt Romney embarrassed to stand in front of donors uttering untruths.

Conor Friersdorf - Until Republicans Fix This Problem, They Can't Fix Any Problems Atlantic 21 Sep 12

Sensible?  Sure, but these guys are like faint radio emissions from a distant star compared to "mainstream" Republicanism these days.  Just think of all the yahoos they elected to the House in 2010 not to mention state chambers.  It will take a generation; they confused the Fox News business model with a political strategy.  Idiots.


[ Parent ]
Gotta disagree with Tomansky a bit. (2.00 / 2)
It may not be Romney's fault that the GOP sank off the deep end of the mire that is the Right but Romney chose to run for President on the GOP ticket.  It is Romney's fault that he is willing to bow down (!) to the Right in order to win them over.  It is his fault he picked the granny-starver as his running mate (that same guy who my twitter timeline tells me he threw under the bus in his 60 Minutes interview).

A lot of progressives have rightly said that we are playing on the conservative field when it comes to policy.  Romney is doing the same thing with the far Right.  Instead of stating why he felt his position on any host of issues was correct he simply either changed his mind and/or said he was misunderstood with his earlier statement.  Because he's a panderer who will say anything to win an election as the head of the GOP.  And that is his fault.  But if it makes the current GOP extinct and something worthwhile rises up to take its place I'll at least give him credit for that.

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette


[ Parent ]
Sure (2.00 / 1)
In fairness I have a hunch Tomansky's disclaimer was merely a rhetorical device to enable his criticism of the platform; that Romney was the only credible candidate reckless enough to have a go this cycle will probably be the verdict of history.  That speaks to his ambition overwhelming his judgement, to be sure.

But the irony of him being the unlikely vessel into which the Right poured the detritus of their neoconservatism, their Randian fantasies, their Tea Party resentment and Neoconfederate prejudices is stunning.  That he would stagger, freighted with this burden, to the abyss was perhaps inevitable; lets hope he takes their aspirations with him or at least shames them once again into silence.

This is the fruit of the politic arrogance of the Bush presidency; the almost decade long mocking of the "reality based community" by a faith inspired executive.  And it is the harvest reaped by a decade of Fox News poisoning the media well with disinformation and blatant manipulation; they piped their demographic cohort to la-la land than handed them the reins of the Republican Party.  Roger Aisles will go down as one of the chief architects of their demise.  


[ Parent ]
Romney is a one-trick pony (2.00 / 4)
He was the chief rainmaker at Bain Capital because of his name, pedigree, and connections.

[Tinfoil Alert! Tinfoil Alert!]
About those connections: With absolutely no evidence, I have come to the conclusion that Bain Capital is nothing more than a sophisticated money-laundering operation. And that some of those funds are dirty money from Mormon international entities. There, I said it.
[End Tinfoil Alert]

But he has found out that this singular skill didn't translate to political fundraising. And, in retrospect, the Republicans will rue the day that the Scalia Supreme Court ruled on Citizens United.

There was only one joker in L.A. sensitive enough to wear that scent...and I had to find out who he was!


[ Parent ]
Hmm... (2.00 / 3)
I would like to hear more about this money laundering business.  The questionable provenance of his start up investors is well documented:


The connection between the families involved with Bain's founding and those who financed death squads was made by the Boston Globe in 1994 and the Salt Lake Tribune in 1999. This election cycle, Salon first raised the issue in January, and the Los Angeles Times filled out more of the record earlier this month.

There is no shortage of unsavory links. Even the Tribune article referred to by the Romney campaign reports that "about $6.5 million of $37 million that established the company came from wealthy El Salvadoran families linked to right-wing death squads."

Ryan Grim and Cole Stangler - Mitt Romney Started Bain Capital With Money From Families Tied To Death Squads Huffington Post 8 AUg 12

One of those stories "out there" which nobody seems to want to talk about.  As for money laundering I have read some very credible analysis that suggests it is one of Wall Streets most lucrative financial services; not just talking about drug money either, Iranian state capital, Chinese corruption.  They're competing with the casinos.


[ Parent ]
Clusterf*ck! (2.00 / 5)
Heh, on the plane with the campaign of the talking dead:


Still, a flustered adviser, describing the mood, said that the campaign was turning into a vulgar, unprintable phrase.

Micheal Barboro - A Mood of Gloom Afflicts the Romney Campaign NYT 18 Sep 12

No challenge guessing that one, eh?


#vulgarunprintablephrase is now a Twitter hashtag. (2.00 / 5)
Some pretty colorful contributions.

Also read the Romney/Ryan campaign was compared to McCain/Palin.  Ouch!  Wonder, though, how Ryan will fair long-term.  I sense he'll come out fine.

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette


[ Parent ]
After seeing some of the video, (2.00 / 4)
I just find it incredible that rich people want to give him money.

Pissing away good money after bad? :) (2.00 / 3)


"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette

[ Parent ]
As Ben Franklin said of second marriages (2.00 / 6)
The triumph of hope over experience?

If it were done when 'tis done, then 'twere well it were done subjunctively.

[ Parent ]
Nope, that was Zsa Zsa Gabor (2.00 / 4)
in Rich Dick's Almanack [entries 2-9]

There was only one joker in L.A. sensitive enough to wear that scent...and I had to find out who he was!

[ Parent ]
The Race (2.00 / 4)
Best metaphor I can think of is that Romney's campaign has started re-entry to election day at an angle which insures destruction and which is too late to fix, but the inevitable tragedy won't happen for another little while.  

In the meantime they are getting lots of utterly useless and irrelevant advice from all concerned.  This is going to go down in electoral history folks.


heh (2.00 / 5)
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Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey
 


[ Parent ]
Maybe... (2.00 / 5)
Maybe not:


Obama is nearly matching his 2008 support in [Ohio, Virginia and Florida] while Romney is under-performing compared to Republican John McCain," says Democratic pollster Chris Anderson, who conducts the Fox News poll with Republican pollster Daron Shaw.  

Dana Blanton - Obama has edge over Romney in three battleground states Fox News 19 Sep 12

Florida by 5%!  Good news for John McCain.


[ Parent ]
thats a great pic n/t (2.00 / 3)


[ Parent ]
Finally, the country seems to be getting how disgusting a tactic it is (2.00 / 7)
to beat up on those who are struggling economically for political gain.



The future is unwritten


Heh (2.00 / 6)
Up against the magic wall, mofos.

[ Parent ]
You go, John King. (2.00 / 7)
That was good. That was touching.

John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."

[ Parent ]
Posted this one Facebook earlier (2.00 / 7)
When I was unemployed in 2009, I went to a Chase ATM to take out some of my unemployment money, because now they don't send you checks, they give it to you on a debit card. So here I am on Larkfield Road at a bank branch taking out money and my phone rings, its a job prospect turning me down. While I'm on the phone, some guy yelled at me "THAT'S A NICE IPHONE I PAYED FOR."

So the next time you judge someone in that way, as I see many of you do, make sure you judge me too, because yes, I did pay for that phone with my unemployment money (that I also paid for in my taxes when I worked and in the taxes they take out of UI), and when I finally did a job, I found out on that phone.

That time was the worst time in my life because I could literally feel society judging me, labeling me lazy, a failure. I was desperate for a job just to show them their opinion of me wasn't true, but even I began to believe it. Maybe I am lazy, maybe I am a failure. Maybe I just suck.

You know, the last three years being a journalist in Brooklyn and Queens, I've gotten a chance to meet a lot of people in that position and the thing I hear most from them is some sort of "Everyone thinks I'm lazy and worthless, so whatever."

Mitt Romney's comments punched me in the gut. Because he was talking about me.  


[ Parent ]
Ironically... (2.00 / 7)
Romney's comments hit squarely at the whole notion of a "commonwealth of citizens" vs a rat-pack.

[ Parent ]
You, me, John King - the list goes on. (2.00 / 7)
After working fulltime from the age of 16 to 25 - borrowing money from a "legal loan shark" to pay tuition and buy books ($700 @ 70%) while going to school fulltime at night and landscaping fulltime during the day, getting a computer job for two years (while teaching at the college and landscaping on the side and taking more classes) - I found myself unemployed for several months and couldn't pay my rent. I went to the unemployment office, applied and got one check.

It helped. I wasn't evicted and got to eat again after 'having sleep for supper'.If I had ended up on the streets I don't know what would have happened. My own family could not have helped at the time.

Maybe I would not have ended up inventing mobile video conferencing at my next job, an internet firewall at the next, saving the firewall business at Cisco and creating $5B in profits, starting a SIM company and making $50M in investment profit in two years for VCs, starting Lofty Perch which to this day is the prime contractor providing DHS' critical infrastructure cybersecurity training, writing a book, helping the inventors of AlienVault move to the US and getting VC investment and growing from 30 employees to 140 and architecting a regional/national/global knowledge network for critical infrastructure protection.

And all the jobs and shareholder value that go with all that.

Maybe I would have believed what I was thinking at the time - that my dreams were nonsense. I was as low as I could get. Donna and I had separated just before this all happened, I doubt we would have gotten back together and Damien, Roxanne and Christine would therefore never have been born.

But that little bit of help kept me from falling off the brink, allowed me to have a place to shower and be clean for job interviews and gas to get there, to have enough confidence left to keep a straight face and convince someone to hire me. Gave me an address to put down on applications.

Romney's comments - moreover his attitude as he said them - coming from someone who never had to worry. Who could choose to give away millions in inheritance: because he didn't need it after the millions he made off investing millions of his father's money.

...

I have no words for the arrogance gap.

He insulted me, personally, too.

John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."


[ Parent ]
It seems a lot of us have similar storires. (2.00 / 6)
I was unemployed for a few weeks after my employer closed sooner than expected.  Frankly, because of the public perception I was hugely embarrassed to go down to the unemployment office because only losers and the lazy have to go there.

So yeah, screw Romney and the rest of the folks who generalize.

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette


[ Parent ]
Mortified. Ashamed. (2.00 / 4)
I resisted as long as I could and it was an awful experience.

I know a number of Canadian friends who have no qualms whatsoever about working just long enough to collect UI ("Pogey") then taking off until it runs out. At the printing plant I worked at as a teen it was normal for the "part timers" - people who would work fulltime when we ran the large Sears catalog, including an entire union (the "women's union" we called it, because women would come in to feed the machines while the "men's union" guys who ran them were always on staff) - to switch back and forth between working and collecting Pogey.

I have never met an American who felt the same way.

Romney and his Tea Party fools have no idea what they are talking about. There may be welfare kings and queens out there in this country, but it is nothing like they portray it. Folks like that here are deeply troubled or disadvantaged. All they have to do is cross the border north if they want to see what they are talking about.

Oh, and for all that the Canadian economy is doing extremely well.

John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."


[ Parent ]
Obama on Letterman (2.00 / 5)
here.

Nicely done.

John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."


Rand Paul... (2.00 / 4)
On the Hugh Hewitt show:


Rand Paul: You know, I think I'm in the minority here, but I think the election is over. I think that Romney has already won.

Is there a bigger asshat in American politics today?  Tough question, I realise, but my border collie has a better appreciation of the race than that.


[ Parent ]
Well, Rand is one of those folks who believes many more than 47% of Americans are losers. (2.00 / 4)
"Everyone but me" is more his position.

John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."

[ Parent ]
Yeah... (2.00 / 4)
Well I'm still wondering how he manages to tie his shoes.

[ Parent ]
Loafers (2.00 / 6)
Pun intended.

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette

[ Parent ]
Zing! (2.00 / 6)


Just because they are posting on a progressive site doesn't make them progressives. - John Allen

[ Parent ]
Here's a visual I would like to see on MSNBC (2.00 / 6)
I would like to see Lawrence O'Donnell get his hands on this videotape of the first introduction from the recent Univision Forum. The reactions of the anchors and audience must be priceless.

Here's what I am referring to:

That wouldn't be the last demand from the campaign: Romney himself almost pulled the plug on the whole thing minutes before the broadcast, Salinas said.

While introducing Romney at the top of the broadcast, Salinas's co-anchor, Jorge Ramos, noted that the Republican candidate had agreed to give the network 35 minutes, and that Obama had agreed to a full hour the next night. Ramos then invited the audience to welcome Romney to the stage - but the candidate didn't materialize.

"It was a very awkward moment, believe me," Salinas said.

Apparently, Romney took issue with the anchors beginning the broadcast that way, said Salinas, and he refused to go on stage until they re-taped the introduction. (One Republican present at the taping said Romney "threw a tantrum.")

"Our president of news was talking to the Romney campaign and negotiating it," Salinas said. "But at that point, you can't really argue with that. The candidate is there, everyone is in their seats, the show must go on. There's a limit to how much we can object to it."

How Romney Packed The Univision Forum

Sent to thelastword@msnbc.com 9/22/12

There was only one joker in L.A. sensitive enough to wear that scent...and I had to find out who he was!


Univison should have told Romney to kiss its ass. (2.00 / 5)
He's the one who needs the Hispanic vote.

Also, as with the NAACP convention, the Romney campaign bussed folks in ... from outside Miami.

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette


[ Parent ]
Well, if you're talking about (2.00 / 4)
kissing Elena Salinas' ass, to quote Jack Benny

I'm thinking it over!


There was only one joker in L.A. sensitive enough to wear that scent...and I had to find out who he was!

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