Romney's other rhetorical atrocity: "Palestinians not wanting to see peace"

by: Strummerson

Thu Sep 20, 2012 at 03:17:58 AM EDT



It's a disgusting, borderline racist generalization and flies in the face of the reality of one of the most complex socio-political phenomena in the world.  For those of you who engage with people from the right in other fora, I think the following article from Peter Beinart, a writer with whom I often disagree, will prove quite helpful.  

It contains some useful links as well, such as one to data from Khalil Shikaki, the most internationally respected Palestinian pollster.  (Of course, beware that right-wingers, with their fascination with 'guilt by association' may point out that his brother, Fathi, was the founder of Islamic Jihad.  This has happened to me.  If one's brother is a terrorist, one can't possibly be a respected Political Scientist.  Because siblings always agree and always resemble one another.  Always.  Perfectly.  Since Cain and Abel.  Right?)

Anyway, as I said, the article is not only compelling and interesting and sympathetic to the world views of Moose on the subject (as I have witnessed it) it is also useful.

Strummerson :: Romney's other rhetorical atrocity: "Palestinians not wanting to see peace"
PS One of my biggest critiques of Obama's first term regards his decision not to visit here.  I want to see him come and give speeches in Jerusalem, Ramallah, Tel Aviv, and perhaps Akko (Acre) as nearly a third of its inhabitants are Palistinians, mainly Muslims, but some Christians as well.  I think one of the only things that might move things here is if he addressed both Jews and Palestinians and their governments directly.  He would need to thread a few needles.  But he's capable of doing that.  

I also think he should ask Bill Clinton to take up Mitchell's role as a special envoy.  Trust is being built between them.  HRC is stepping down as Sec. of State.  Clinton won't toe Obama's line on everything, but I doubt he'd embarrass him outright.  And wouldn't Clinton relish the chance to complete what he wanted to be his legacy as President?  (As if Northern Ireland isn't enough for one president's foreign policy achievements.  I'll never understand why he doesn't get more credit for that.  Centuries of bloodshed guided toward a political process where the peace has been tested [Omagh] and upheld by both sides.)

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Ironic (2.00 / 7)
Romney's gaffes have come so frequently lately that some which warrant headlines have been almost totally overlooked.  The man is a dangerous ass; seriously, it is an embarrassment to the whole country that he would be nominated by a major political party as candidate for the presidency.  He makes McCain seem like Disraeli.

Just For the Record (2.00 / 7)
This is complete codswallop:


"There's just no way [to achieve peace]. And so what you do is you say, 'You move things along the best way you can.' You hope for some degree of stability, but you recognize that this is going to remain an unsolved problem ... We kick the ball down the field and hope that ultimately, somehow, something will happen and resolve it."

That's the same shrug of the shoulders one gets from conservative Israeli politicians while the bulldozers are on the move; a cynical strategy of running out the clock while settlers present a fait accompli of residential occupation which defies resolution.  It is a totally partisan position by this arrogant and misinformed fool which defies the best interest of the country he would lead.

Is Romney dedicated to starting conflicts in the region or is he really as dumb as a box of rocks?  It makes me wonder if there is some scripture I should know about which predicts the Second Coming after the leader of the free world makes a complete ass of himself and plunges us into intractable and ruinous war.


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Yes. Saeb Erekat describes the peace process as (2.00 / 6)
two mice negotiating over a piece of cheese...while one of them is eating the cheese.  It's a good analogy.  Many in the left, and even the center here see it that way as well.

Romney's analogy to China and Taiwan, on the other hand, is the height of stupidity, or at least willful ignorance.  One doesn't dominate the other militarily.  Their economies are not interlinked in the same way.  They are not geographically complicated in the same way.  And they are not trying to figure out geographical division and a reorganization of national and civil rights in the same way.

But whatever.  I'm sure if he wins Dan Senor will handle things wonderfully.

The future is unwritten


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Don't Wind Me Up... (2.00 / 6)
I've been watching Fox News and my patience is exhausted; we have a 24/7 cable network, not to mention any number of journals and media "pundits," dedicated to hoodwinking gullible citizens into enabling their own disadvantage.  And for what?  Just for the money.  It's selfish, immoral and borderline treasonous.  

And all of these self-righteous con artists are ruining Christianity in the process, let me tell you, with their phony avowals of faith.  I ask my Jehovah's Witnesses, "How can you let these alleged Christians compromise your religion for profit?  You really need to get more activist before they totally trash your gig."


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Apparently... (2.00 / 6)
The Romney campaign is claiming that the video was "selectively edited" to remove the following exonerating quote:


The Romney campaign confirmed to TPM that it believes the video was edited to omit Romney saying: "So, the only answer is show your strength. Again, American strength, American resolve, as the Palestinians someday reach the point where they want peace more than we're trying to push peace on them - and then it's worth having the discussion. Until then, it's just wishful thinking."

Pema Levy - Team Romney: We Do Support Two-State Solution TPM 19 Sep 12

Shorter version, "Let's stay away from the negotiation table until we've bled them white and curb-stomped them."  Honestly, that the Romney campaign would cite that as being within cooee of "supporting a two-state solution" says more about our collective national lapses of judgement and critical thinking than anything else.  Even so, it just sounds like more Likudnik running out the clock mendacity to me.

I can't believe how low our political discourse has fallen that this whole incident wouldn't be an instantly disqualifying revelation.  Can't wait to see Wolf Blitzer channel, indeed parody, conventional ignorance as he trivialises this issue with irrelevant and inconsequential banter.


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Thank you!! (2.00 / 4)
Not sure how/why Romney camp thinks this part actually helps.

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette

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Well this can't help. (2.00 / 6)
Mitt Romney loses Tim Pawlenty as campaign co-chair 45 days before election

...

Pawlenty's new job was announced Thursday morning. He's leaving his job as national co-chairman of Mitt Romney's presidential campaign.

Rats? Ship?

http://www.newsday.com/electio...

John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."


This is unprecedented (2.00 / 6)
Sure, campaign managers come and go, but I don't remember a co-chair leaving this close to THE END. I'm thinking The Financial Services Roundtable is going to cash in a chit with the 2nd Obama Administration down the line.

Somewhere, HappyinVT is smiling.

There was only one joker in L.A. sensitive enough to wear that scent...and I had to find out who he was!


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Old Friends. (2.00 / 4)
Romney and Netanyahu: Old Friends Now At Center Of Iran Nuke Debate

Theirs is a relationship unlike any other in global politics.

Mitt Romney, the Republican presidential candidate, and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu have been friends for more than 35 years. The men first met while working as corporate business advisers at the Boston Consulting Group during the Israeli prime minister's years living in the U.S.; then, over time, they would leave the private sector for lives in politics.

...

The release of secretly recorded tapes from a Romney fundraiser in Florida provided even more evidence of strong personal and political ties. Seeking to assuage donors' concerns about campaign tactics and the staffers drawing them up, Romney rattled off his advisers' bona fides.

"I have a very good team of extraordinarily experienced, highly successful consultants, a couple of people in particular who've done races around the world," he said. "I mean, they work for 'Bibi' Netanyahu in his race. So they do these races and they see which ads work and which processes work best."

There are, in fact, longstanding connections between Romney and Netanyahu's closest consultants. Dan Senor, Romney's most prominent foreign policy aide and a spokesman for the Coalition Provisional Authority in Iraq in the aftermath of the 2003 U.S. invasion, reportedly worked with a top Netanyahu aide Ron Dermer to choreograph their July meeting.



John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."

This is Media #vulgarunprintablephrase (2.00 / 5)
ABCNews aka DisneyCorp is just giving a tongue bath to Romney to try to help him with the Jewish vote in Florida. How else do you square that with this quote from Bibi himself:

We did not know each other that well. He was the whiz kid. I was just in the back of the room." Netanyahu tells Stengel he has seen Romney only a handful of times over the years and only once this year. They spoke for 10 minutes in March during his visit to Washington, mainly about Iran.

Bibi on Romney: 'We did not know each other that well'



There was only one joker in L.A. sensitive enough to wear that scent...and I had to find out who he was!

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Wall Street Journal: "Headwinds for Mitt Romney in Latest Poll Results" (2.00 / 6)
Mitt Romney's path to victory is narrowing, new polling data suggest, presenting challenges for the Republican nominee at a moment when he is trying to rebound from a week of bad headlines by refocusing on federal spending.

President Barack Obama has opened an eight percentage-point lead in Iowa and maintains a five-point edge in Colorado and Wisconsin, according to Wall Street Journal/NBC News/Marist Poll surveys of the three presidential battlegrounds released Thursday.

The new poll results are significant in part because the Romney campaign views the three states as steppingstones to an Electoral College majority, given Mr. Romney's slippage in polls of two of the largest battlegrounds, Ohio and Virginia.

hmmmm.



John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."


As confirmation that NM is not a swing state (2.00 / 6)
Romney has pulled two key staffers from the state.

Important to remember too that early voting starts soon; Romney's window of opportunity is actually smaller than the almost 50 days folks generally assume.  

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Looks Like... (2.00 / 6)
I was on to something with Mitt's money woes:


The financial tide turned against Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney and his key allies, who spent more than they brought in during the month of August, according to disclosures filed Thursday.

Romney's presidential campaign committee raised nearly $67 million last month - a strong figure - but spent about the same amount building its campaign organization and responding to a barrage of attack ads from Obama and his allies.  Even so, the campaign spent just $13.7 million on ads, which was less than the $15 million it spent in July.

Dan Eggen - Romney campaign hits a financial snag Washington Post 21 Sep 12

It's actually worse than it looks when you get into the weeds; head-to-head Obama has a lot more cash to play with right now.  Most of Romney's triumphant fundraising is RNC money he can't use and which might follow the down-ticket races now that he's faltering.  

Pity there's not a good financial guy on the Romney team, heh. This has been bouncing around the blogosphere for a couple of days and is slowly seeping up into the mainstream media.  Conventional wisdom dies hard.


That's Telling 'Em, Swanny (2.00 / 6)
Heh:


[Australian Deputy Prime Minister Wayne Swan] said: "Let's be blunt and acknowledge the biggest threat to the world's biggest economy are the cranks and crazies that have taken over a part of the Republican Party."

Australian official warns of GOP 'crazies' Politico 21 Sep 12

That's our Euromoney Finance Minister of the Year for 2011.


[ Parent ]
Saw that. (2.00 / 6)
His campaign will be off message do to lack of coordination in the all important home stretch. The media will try to get the "comeback" narrative going and post-debate is as good a time as any. I think Obama should play it safe and counter attack as needed. It will be hard for him to win the next news cycle but in the long run Team Obama should CRUSH Rmoney.  

Just because they are posting on a progressive site doesn't make them progressives. - John Allen

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The debates should be quite interesting. (2.00 / 6)
First one is October 3rd on domestic policy.  If POTUS doesn't hang the 47% comments around Romney's neck I'd be shocked.  And if Romney continues to lose the news cycle between now and then he may rival Nixon in the bad optics at at a debate department.

By the way, uhhh, wedding update, please?

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2 months to go! (2.00 / 5)
I've got the apt. set up and only need to buy the fridge which I will do about 2 weeks before. I'm a nervous wreck really and my current job is really demanding so hopefully everything balances out. Overall I'm HappyinPR. :)

Just because they are posting on a progressive site doesn't make them progressives. - John Allen

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makes you wonder if the Romney folks understood how the money (2.00 / 6)
could be used since they can't use a good chunk of it.  Or did they think the donations would be more?  Or are they relying in SuperPaAcS?

Also saw on Twitter last night that some staffers got nice bonuses in August, too.  Priorities!  When do we get the first claim by a vendor that he/she hasn't been paid?

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette


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Right on cue. (2.00 / 5)
Politico:

http://mobile.politico.com/iph...

Headed into the home stretch of the 2012 presidential race, it is Obama who looks to have an edge, thanks to an awakening donor base, aggressive summer spending on ads and ground game, and a Romney hoarding strategy that left him with plenty of cash in the bank, but not much to show for it.

Through the end of August, Romney's campaign and the party committees and super PAC supporting it had raised $736 million, compared to $774 million raised by Obama's campaign and its party and super PAC allies, according to a POLITICO analysis of voluntary disclosures and Federal Election Commission reports filed Thursday.

While Romney's side boasted a nearly $50 million edge in cash on hand - $175 million to $126 million - headed into the final two months, it also had $10 million more in debt, as Romney's campaign took out a $20 million loan to address cash flow issues.



Just because they are posting on a progressive site doesn't make them progressives. - John Allen

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A little OT but not much (2.00 / 8)
Loving strummerson's take down of Romney's frankly racist and opportunist attitude to Palestinians.

But also this wonderful fake twitter account

Mexican Mitt Romneez

@MexicanMitt
El Fake Accounto! I am the Most Mexican Man in The World!© Follow me as I run for Presidente of the United Estates! I AM THE JUAN PERCENT! Ajua!

My favourite tweet so far



The p***artist formerly known as 'Brit'


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I AM THE JUAN PERCENT! (2.00 / 7)
lol

Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey
 


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JOSE CAN YOU SEEEEEEEEEEEE! (2.00 / 6)
lol

Just because they are posting on a progressive site doesn't make them progressives. - John Allen

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Those Bonuses... (2.00 / 6)
Are like a nervous tic among the investor class.

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Beinart's change of heart is amazing to watch (2.00 / 7)
I met him ten years ago, when he was obsessed by religious observance, and (erroneously assuming my background) muttered something about British Jews being embarrassed by their identity.

Tony Judt, who effectively introduced us, excoriated Beinart in his iconoclastic 2003 piece "Bush's Useful Idiots" about the Liberal enablers of Neocon thought.

But since then, Beinart has gone on an amazing journey, and become one of the best commentators on the realities of Israeli and the as yet to be realised Palestinian state.

I wish more people (yes I'm talking you Republican ersatz likudniks) would listen

The p***artist formerly known as 'Brit'


So... (2.00 / 6)
You're not British?

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Things You Won't See on Fox (2.00 / 6)
And a definitely hopeful sign:


(Reuters) - Hundreds of pro-government protesters stormed the headquarters of the main Islamist militia group in Libya's eastern city of Benghazi on Friday, Reuters witnesses said.

Chanting "Libya, Libya", the demonstrators pulled down flags of the Ansar Al-Sharia militia and torched a vehicle inside the base. There was no sign of resistance from the militia.

Protesters storm main Islamist militia HQ in Libya's Benghazi Reuters 21 Sep 12

Bet they didn't see that coming.


That Went Well (2.00 / 4)
Ryan at AARP:

Heh, I expected them to throw shoes.


[ Parent ]
I'm sorry but can that guy not find a suit jacket that fits?! (2.00 / 4)
Not like he can't afford a freakin' tailor.

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette

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Heh (2.00 / 3)
Could it be he has such little body fat?  Someone tweeted recently it would be scandalous if his body fat % was greater than Romney's tax rate.

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:) (2.00 / 3)


Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey
 


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wow, 30k! (2.00 / 4)
Around 30,000 Libyans marched through the eastern city of Benghazi on Friday in an unprecedented protest to demand the disbanding of powerful militias in the wake of last week's attack that killed the U.S. ambassador and three other Americans.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/w...

Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey
 


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Libyans want to go forward. (2.00 / 4)
That was the whole point.

John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."

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LOL (2.00 / 5)
Classic:

Key and Peele are running rings around SNL this cycle with this bit; it is truly inspired and has endless possibilities.


LOL (2.00 / 4)
I scared the cats.

If it were done when 'tis done, then 'twere well it were done subjunctively.

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If someone wants to make a diary out of this please do. (2.00 / 2)
I won't have the chance.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/wa...

John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."


Charles Lemos is back over at the D. (2.00 / 8)
http://mydd.com/2012/9/18/m-2

By now it should be quite clear that Mitt Romney is as loathsome an individual as any that has ever disgraced our national stage. Simply put Mitt Romney is the most unqualified person ever to seek the presidency in my lifetime, perhaps ever. Without a doubt, he is certainly the most disingenuous and bald-faced hypocrite ever to seek the White House. He is a farce, one would hasten to add that he is a perfect parody of a plutocrat but for the fact that he actually is a plutocrat with his own bizarre sense of entitlement

Awesome.  

Just because they are posting on a progressive site doesn't make them progressives. - John Allen


I thought that the O-bot royalist thugs killed MyDD... n/t (2.00 / 5)


The future is unwritten

[ Parent ]
To Be Honest... (2.00 / 7)
It was an act of defiant suicide by the proprietor.  It was a PUMA breeding zoo.

[ Parent ]
Went from over-moderating to under-moderating to handing it over to (2.00 / 5)
the worst front page diarists he could find.  Shame really.  

The future is unwritten

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Hey... (2.00 / 4)
Peter and I were front-pagers by invitation for a while there.

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Ah (2.00 / 6)
And your point is...?

If it were done when 'tis done, then 'twere well it were done subjunctively.

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Where have you gone, Jackie Landsman (2.00 / 4)
a nation turns its lonely eyes to you...

The future is unwritten

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Gandalf? Kysen? sricki? (2.00 / 7)
If you're lurking...

.:HUG:.

Just because they are posting on a progressive site doesn't make them progressives. - John Allen


Leave John alone (2.00 / 6)
he's in the middle of an intense pennant race!

The future is unwritten

[ Parent ]
Pennant Race? (2.00 / 4)
Sounds like something done with sailing dinghies.

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Oh, Barack... (2.00 / 8)
You didn't:


But Obama added: "When it comes to our national security decisions -- any pressure that I feel is simply to do what's right for the American people. And I am going to block out -- any noise that's out there."

Obama brushes off Israeli pressure over Iran AFP via Google 23 Sep 12

Oh, dearie me.


Meanwhile, in "no apologies" land... (2.00 / 6)
http://politicalticker.blogs.c...

Our resolute, decisively strong wannabe Leader of the Free (as long as you're Rich) World has this to say:

Mitt Romney blamed President Barack Obama for mischaracterizing his positions and forcing him to spend more time fund-raising, as the GOP presidential candidate looked to turn around his campaign trajectory and end a difficult week.

[snip]

On his plane, Romney said Obama had incorrectly portrayed his policy positions on issues as diverse as the automobile industry bailout to abortion to tax proposals.

"He says I was in favor of liquidating the automobile industry - nothing could be further from the truth... He says I'm in favor of lowering taxes on wealthy people. No I'm not," Romney said, and he criticized Democratic campaign commercials. "He keeps running these things even though he knows they're wrong and saying them in rallies even though he knows they're wrong."

[snip]

The Republican White House hopeful, who spent much of last week raising money in California, Florida and Texas, blasted Obama for opting out of public financing and forcing both candidates to spend more time wooing donors.

Not gonna waste my time pointing out all the lies and craptacular twisting going on in just those few short passages; I leave it as an exercise for any masochistically inclined readers.

I'd ask if he'd like some cheese with that whine, but for Pete's sake, he doesn't drink (that we know of), so maybe some homemade cookies that didn't come from 7-Eleven might soothe his troubled psyche?

If it were done when 'tis done, then 'twere well it were done subjunctively.


Funny, though, how POTUS isn't spending as much time (2.00 / 4)
fundraising.  Maybe because the Obama campaign actually understood how GE funds could be used.

(Also read that OFA has twice as many folks for the same amount of salary as Romney.  One could argue that OFA isn't paying enough but I'd be really curious to see a salary breakdown.)

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette


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From what I'm hearing (2.00 / 6)
OFA's ground war this time is going to awesome - completely nullify the ad air-war. We'll wait and see, but under the radar I suspect the Obama campaign has squared the organisational advantage they had in 2008

The British Labour party, who spent a long time with the Obama campaign, used some of their organisational strategies two years ago. A predicted Tory win was turned in a hung parliament.

Having read a bit about OFA, I'm going to be interested in what they pull out of the bag this time.  

The p***artist formerly known as 'Brit'


[ Parent ]
Sam Stein at HuffPo (2.00 / 5)
linked to two maps of OH: Romney's with 36 offices and Obama's with 96.  In Florida it is 47 (!) to 85.

Apparently Mitt thought that carpet-bombing the swing states with ads was the way to go.  Part of the problem is that Obama is a more known entity nationally than Santorum and Perry and Bachmann.  And Obama certainly has better campaign folks around him.

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette


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Seek and ye shall find ... (2.00 / 3)
According to an analysis by the Times Data Desk, part of the Los Angeles Times, the Obama campaign had 901 people on its payroll last month, and paid them a median salary of $3,074 a month, or $36,886 a year.

The Romney campaign, in contrast, had 403 people on its payroll, and paid them a median salary of $6,437 in August, which would mean $77,250 a year.

A Romney campaign official said the median staff salary is actually $51,500 a year. The August payroll may have been inflated by back pay owed to new employees, the official said.

(Our calculations do not include the $207,500 in bonuses that the campaign paid Aug. 31 to nine top Romney officials. Recipients included campaign manager Matt Rhoades, field director Rich Beeson, policy director Lanhee Chen, and communications director Gail Gitcho. A campaign spokeswoman said the bonuses were tied to Romney's primary wins, and were paid after the GOP national convention, pursuant to their employment agreements.)

http://www.latimes.com/news/po...

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette


[ Parent ]
...well damn (2.00 / 2)
I guess that shit ain't tricklin' down, eh?

their ideology fails on both the macro and micro scales.

lol

Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey
 


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A Real Problem (2.00 / 7)
Oopsie:


"When you have a fire in an aircraft, there's no place to go, exactly," [Romney] told the LA Times. "And you can't find any oxygen from outside the aircraft to get in the aircraft, because the windows don't open. I don't know why they don't do that. It's a real problem."

Annie-Rose Strasser - Romney Doesn't Understand Why You Can't Roll Down Windows On A Plane LAT via Think Progress

That's just the kind of thing which can make the average citizen ponder just what the heck goes on in the candidate's head.  I mean, really?


Romney's solution is obvious (2.00 / 6)
Have the FAA conduct lengthy and expensive studies, then unilaterally issue regulations to Boeing and Airbus.

Oh wait, that's more big government and regulations, and we're stifling the entrepreneurship of William Boeing.

[Along with adding weight, increasing air-drag and fuel burn, thus increasing passenger ticket costs. And our top story tonight, William Boeing is still dead. Other than that, it's all good.]

There was only one joker in L.A. sensitive enough to wear that scent...and I had to find out who he was!


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You know, I'm not the smartest bulb in the pack. (2.00 / 6)
But even I know why the windows in airplanes don't open.  Maybe I should run for president.

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette

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Can I be your Vice-President? (1.83 / 6)
See, I have a free market solution to give Ann Romney a voucher for an oxygen mask and tank. That way, we're not forcing socialist solutions on other job-creatin' passengers.

PS. And you'll meet my wife, Morgan Fairchild ... whom I've seen naked! Yeah, that's the ticket!

There was only one joker in L.A. sensitive enough to wear that scent...and I had to find out who he was!


[ Parent ]
You'd have had better luck being on the ticket if you said your (2.00 / 5)
spouse was George Clooney.  But two years of tax returns and/or summaries of same might put you back into favor.

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette

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This is Your Captain... (2.00 / 5)
Mitt Romney, we have a minor fire in the cabin but don't worry I've instructed the cabin crew to open the doors.

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heh (2.00 / 5)
"Better not take a dog on the space shuttle, because if he sticks his head out when you're coming home his face might burn up".

-- Jack Handy, Deep Thoughts

It goes without saying that the shuttle's roof rack is also a bad idea...right?  

Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey
 


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The NASA archives document (2.00 / 4)
that a "woodie" variant of the Shuttle proposed by the surfing enthusiast engineers was rejected for similar reasons.

There was only one joker in L.A. sensitive enough to wear that scent...and I had to find out who he was!

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heh (2.00 / 6)
what the heck goes on in the candidate's head.

I'm guessing just a lot of hot air.

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette


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Young'uns... (2.00 / 6)
Won't know what this is about but you veterans will remember:

It sank the entire campaign, as folk wisdom would have it.


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The Only Tax Chart You Need (2.00 / 6)

Ezra Klein has this article that really should be the start and finish of the debate.

That's really what the American tax system looks like: Not 47 percent paying nothing, but everybody paying something, and most Americans paying between 25 percent and 30 percent of their income - which is, by the way, a lot more the 13.9 percent Mitt Romney paid in 2011*

Total tax burden is what matters, and it's pretty flat. Everyone is paying something, only those at the very bottom get something of a break - as do those at the very top.

John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."


Looks Pretty Fair (2.00 / 4)
So why did Republicans wreck our "good faith and credit" and hold Congress hostage for two sessions to lower it at the top end?  They seem slightly obsessive.

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Romney told Scott Pelley that it was fair that Romney pay (2.00 / 5)
less in taxes than people who make less money because that's how you create jobs.  I truly don't get this thinking.  How many jobs has Mitt Romney personally created?  I'm not talking about Bain (which goodness knows doesn't appear to create more jobs than it causes to be lost).  I'm talking about Mitt Romney personally.  Can someone explain how individuals create jobs via their personal wealth/tax rate because I truly don't understand.

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette

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Voodoo (2.00 / 1)


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Pre Mortem (2.00 / 6)
Romney was sent on mission impossible, they say, with a flawed platform; I like Charles' take:


Over the past three decades or so, the Republican Party - and the conservative "movement' that has powered it - has drunk deeply of the ideological Sterno. Now, it finds itself fumbling with the buttons on its clothes, speaking in strange tongues to the shrubbery, and waving imaginary butterflies away from its head.

...it's not your candidate. It's not your strategy. It's your ideas, which the country is rejecting because the country just came through the most immense pillaging of its public wealth in the history of human thievery and it has made the link between the piracy in question, and the fact that one of the only two political parties that we permit ourselves to have has been staggering around on the sidewalk, singing old hymns in Latvian while pushing respectable citizens like Willard Romney into oncoming traffic because the party thinks he looks like the man who's come to put in the microchip. Canned heat, kids. Canned heat is killing you.

Charles P Pierce - What Letting Paul Ryan Be Paul Ryan Gets You Esquire 24 Sep 12

The prognosis isn't good; "squeeze" is merciless.


So where does the GOP go after Romney loses? (2.00 / 6)
Maybbe it depends on how long his loser coattails are.  It appears some Senate and House races aren't as cut and dried as was thought.  Hearing that money is being diverted downticket.  (To play magical balance fairy, some individuals are doing that as well but for the opposite reason.

Anyway, does Erickson, Malkin, Limbaugh, etc push for a third party or a purge of the GOP?  Or do they simply blame it on a flawed candidate and campaign and start grooming Rubio (yes, that's my Pawlenty of 2016)?

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette


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My guess (2.00 / 5)
The latter of your two scenarios.  Much easier to pull off, and has more hope of success, at least their own ($$$$).

If it were done when 'tis done, then 'twere well it were done subjunctively.

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Yes (2.00 / 4)
But will it work?  That's the question.  I notice Erick the Erikson has gone uncharacteristically quiet lately.

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What you are noticing is the movement conservatives (2.00 / 5)
with their collective fingers up to see which way the wind is blowing. The more politically aware of them see the next week as being critical for Romney. I'm going to call it a "Todd Unit".

They sense that the Romney debacle will exceed Dole or McCain and they don't quite know how to play it yet. Complicating things is that they don't want to be blamed for depressing down-ticket races.

There was only one joker in L.A. sensitive enough to wear that scent...and I had to find out who he was!


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Yeah... (2.00 / 5)
Well as of this morning he's decided to pile on the "elitists" in the party without daring to name any.  I agree, these people are surfing; checking the swell and looking to ride whichever wave takes them as far away from here as possible.

But isn't the fundamental flaw that the goals of the for-profit commentators, talk radio, Fox and the commentariat, are divergent from that of the actual party?  I can't really think of a parallel in modern history.  For example, if the NSDAP were crushed in the 1933 elections what would the Volkischer Beobachter do?  Stop publishing?

The party handed their propaganda over to Fox during the Bush presidency and Ailes stole their base and broke his sword; he really should stick to marketing.  As I said before there is nothing the party can do now but hunker down in electoral bastions and fight a states' rights rearguard; which suits their temperament.  Nobody disputes their ability to win state houses and they've gerrymandered themselves a proper electoral fortress throughout the South.  It won't be pretty.


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The only vague parallel (2.00 / 5)
I can think of is the crushing defeat of the Tories in 1997 and the death-rattle of Thatcherism. Similarly, the Republicans must go through the 5 stages of grief for Reaganism. I think we can expand on this later.

But I think of more immediate contemplation, is what are the necessary steps that the Party needs to take in the near future. The first one is what you are touching on in these comments, which is whither Limbaugh and other right-wing blowhards. Their only option is to renounce them in no uncertain terms. There is no half-way point.

Along with this is either abandonment or total overhaul of their think tanks such as AEI, Heritage and the Hoover Institute. The attempted hostile takeover of the Cato Institute by the Koch brothers may be a harbinger.

The impetus for these moves has to come from the Establishment core of the Party. Jeb Bush and Jon Huntsman would be potential point men. And of course it would all be driven and blessed by Big Money. Watch for a "Lessons Learned Retreat" of the R Top Dogs as a sign it is beginning.

There was only one joker in L.A. sensitive enough to wear that scent...and I had to find out who he was!


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Oh, I Agree... (2.00 / 5)
With the establishment side.  Plenty of signs of that already but I don't see them taking the rump of what I call the Wallace Democrats with them.  This is the likely fracturing of the coalition we've been talking about for years.  Those with a vested interest in the hard-line position in the "media," Rush, the preachers, the loony congressional cohort, will follow the market.  Fox News is in a tricky spot; lose their viewers or declare the New Confederacy.

The thing which makes this so problematic is that the state houses, courts and gerrymandered electoral districts in the South will continue to reward the Tea Party/Evangelical cohort; the 2010 election was a watershed but it left these hard-liners with an almost insurmountable bastion.  They already clobber establishment Republicans in their primaries.

Whatever the outcome there will be a tenacious bunch entrenched in their 2010 electoral districts with no motivation to recant; the love throwing bricks and have no prescription for governing besides biblical social engineering so it suits them perfectly.  They can, and will, experiment freely and defy the federal government to make them stop.  In fact this is exactly the prescription for the John C Calhoun "concurrent majority" rhetoric I have been warning about.  Go read his Wikipedia page.  It will be nullification and 10th Amendment stonewalling until we are sick to death of it.  He did more to set the moral and legal stage for the Civil War than anyone and he did it on purpose.

As for the establishment, they can pontificate and recalibrate all they like but they will be just as screwed without their "Southern strategy" allies as we were for decades.


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Given their divide between the party "elites" and the rank & file (2.00 / 5)
it seems there could be some massive backlash.  The response to the GOP convention's treatment of Ron Paul supporters was telling.  I believe three of ME's delegates have said they would not vote for Romney at the EC because of it.  Voters were pissed that they were being overlooked by the party and they may be ripe for a revolt.  Which makes me wonder if folks like Erickson, Malkin, and/or Limbaugh be able to hold sway over elected GOP officials?  Does, OMG!, Palin stage some kind of coup/comeback in the face of RINO Romney's epic loss?  (Yes, I'm getting a bit confident but certainly not complacent.)

And I might be the lone voice but I think Ryan hitching his wagon to the Romney campaign makes any presidential aspirations he may have had moot should that ticket lose (and lose like they have the potential to).

Lastly, I cannot believe no one had anything to say re: Rubio.  And my apologies for the typo in the original comment.  Not enough coffee at that time.

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette


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Sure, Rubio... (2.00 / 4)
But that seems to me the place the establishment would reverse course, like Bush tried, with immigration.  The Tea Party cohort would probably rather stick with Brewer and Kobach.  I don't see how they thread this needle and keep everyone on the same page after four years of winding them up with headless bodies in the desert.

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Well, yeah, but Rubio's Cuban. (2.00 / 3)
That's different.

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette

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How So? (2.00 / 2)
Batista Cubans are somewhere to the right of Franco.

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Cubans are the (2.00 / 4)
1%. They are pretty much despised by most Latinos, and vote mostly republican.

Howard Dean is my guy. (in a strictly nonsexual fashion)

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Despised is a strong word, but... (2.00 / 3)
... the lack of solidarity with other latinos in some hard right cuban pockets is troubling. Most of them are pretty influential. All they have to do is step foot on US soil and BOOM = citizen. You know how difficult it can be to immigrate legally "para el norte"? So a lot of them hard righties in Miami don't care if their vote f's up other peeps as long as their ideals triumph everything else.  

Just because they are posting on a progressive site doesn't make them progressives. - John Allen

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I do not shirk (2.00 / 2)
From using strong words. ;)

Howard Dean is my guy. (in a strictly nonsexual fashion)

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And You May Notice... (2.00 / 3)
Ryan doing some fancy sidestepping that would do a dressage horse proud; he realises he's in a pickle and is doing all for this for just one reason, name recognition.  He hasn't given up his presidential aspirations, far from it, and is positioning himself to be the "heir apparent."  He's 100% show pony and as ambitious and devious as Nixon.

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heh (2.00 / 3)
He's 100% show pony

And now with PowerPoint.

How successfully would granny-starver be able to pivot to the Center should he need to?  There is already some ugly oppo on him; four years can only add to it.  But, no, I'm not ready to place any currency on Rubio just yet.

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette


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Heh... (2.00 / 2)
I reckon a guy like Huckabee is the only chance to square the circle; an Evangelical that has so much good faith with the base that it gives him the latitude to not scare the rest of the country half to death.  Honestly I reckon there will be an economic populist emerge eventually from the wreckage of the Republican Party and then there will be a reckoning.  Imagine Huckabee intoning about how the elites have picked our pockets and calling for an outsider's crusade on DC; I would be tempted to join him myself.  We really, really need to reform the relationship of our party to the corporate state or we are going to get creamed; not next cycle, maybe, but sooner or later.

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Rubio: The Pawlenty of 2016 (2.00 / 4)
That's like casting him as a red-shirted crewman in Star Trek. Seriously though, I would characterize him as the somewhat brighter Perry of 2016. Like Perry, his support will not extend beyond his state, and he is rumored to have a cemetery load of skeletons in his closet. At 41, he's more '24 or '32 material.

The same goes for Ryan, age 42, can be viable as late as 2032. The VP slot moves him into the top tier. His biggest threat is losing his House seat this year. Then he is dead.

Palin has the opposite problem. While she is only 48, she is critically dependent on her, how else can I put this, MILF pose. Entering her 50's makes that tougher to pull off. Her expiration date is the end date on her Fox News contract.

There was only one joker in L.A. sensitive enough to wear that scent...and I had to find out who he was!


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Well... (2.00 / 3)
Both I suppose.  I'm not holding my breath for much critical thinking.  Personally I blame Ailes and I don't see the business model he's got going being adversely affected; in fact you could make a case for the for-profit noise machine being happier with another four years of "the other."

And putting the Tea Party genie back in the bottle is going to be quite a trick.  Worth much further discussion; can you think of a historical parallel?  I can't just at the moment which leaves me gasping, frankly.


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But the planets may be aligning (2.00 / 4)
Consider: Roger Ailes contract is coming up for renewal. At 72, and while Rupert is rumored to be scared of him, I doubt Elisabeth, his soon-to-be heir apparent, is. So a change in Fox News editorial slant is not out of the question.

On the radio side, Clear Channel has an approx. $14B balloon payment coming on their debt in 2016 which will likely result in their, and possibly Bain, bankruptcy. Along with RW talk shows declining ratings, this may presage a sea-change in radio business models.

The TP is an astroturf creation of the Koch brothers. If they withdraw their financial support, the TP, much like the Soviet Union, will be doomed by their internal contradictions.

The $64K question is the time-frame for all these scenarios and your guess is as good as mine.

There was only one joker in L.A. sensitive enough to wear that scent...and I had to find out who he was!


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The Tea Party... (2.00 / 3)
May have been an astroturf creation but it has metastasised into something beyond the control of the Koch brothers; they may keep control by continuing to supply money but I reckon they can't starve it to death.  Anyhow it is too useful a hammer to leave laying around, someone will always be banging away with it.  Cognitive dissonance defies internal contradictions, don't you think?  Whoever the genius was who showered them with copies of Rules for Radicals will have plenty of time to repent at leisure, I reckon.  It suits them; cranky, obstinate, defiant opposition.  What else are you going to do with the rump of a dying cohort?

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Here's our worst case scenario...or a close second to a Romney upset (2.00 / 5)
Santorum and DeMint endorsed Akin yesterday (or the day before) as the final day for him to drop out passed.  Rove's bluff seems to have been called.  I expect a great deal of money to start pouring into Missouri, where McCaskill is hanging on only by virtue of Akin's misogynist anatomical obfuscations.  IF they manage to edge McCaskill, this will be the nugget of 'truth' that the movement reactionaries (let's stop calling them conservatives, Sully's right and they are anything but classical conservatives in aims and in tactics, Burke and Smith and Goldwater and Nixon and Reagan would all collectively vomit on them in disgust) will burnish and place on a pedestal.  Proof that what's been lacking is even more fanatical purism.  

I actually do not fantasize about an institutional disintegration or fragmentation of the GOP.  I'd much prefer a Republican party that rights itself (so to speak) and becomes more pragmatic and heterogeneous once again.  I think we'll see more progress with legislative compromise than partisan Armageddon, even if we come out on top in the latter.  Every year that goes by, and every year that my kids get bigger and older, the more comfortable I am with Burkean minimalism, pragmatism, or gradualism.  My vision is the same.  And there must be revolutionary moments, like Obama's election and the moves he's made on behalf of civil rights for women and LGBT (and I hope on immigration), all of which I think we need to firmly address under the rubric of civil rights as that's what they are.  But in general, I think we need to seek evolutionary reforms more than grand revolutions.  And this is one of the things that brought me to support Obama.  Working through institutions in pursuit of the long game.  I'd like to see him begin to move us toward the reinstatement of Glass-Steagall, for instance.  And I think that has more of a chance with a more moderate Republican party than one stuck thinking that they can pull off Akins across the board or one that fragments into total fragmented zealotry.

The future is unwritten


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Polling data (2.00 / 3)
Obama now up by double digits in Florida, Ohio, and pensylvania.

Nate silver has Obama up by 7 points (80% to win the election) since the tape came out.

Howard Dean is my guy. (in a strictly nonsexual fashion)


That CBS/NYT poll is brutal for Romney. (2.00 / 3)
And early/abesentee voting has started in a number of states so the narrative of losing can't be good for the Romney/Ryan team.  Taking my request to town clerk Friday.  I'll be in Ohio election night trying to contain my joy as my brother and his wife are Republicans.

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette

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With friends like these... (2.00 / 3)
From cnn.com:
http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/26/...

former Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour wasn't far off when he said recently that Romney is being caricatured as "a plutocrat married to a known equestrian."


If it were done when 'tis done, then 'twere well it were done subjunctively.

Last night as I was eating dinner (2.00 / 3)
it occurred to me that I know next to nothing about Mitt.  I know his work history and that he has five sons but I have no idea what his hobbies are.  Does he like to read?  Is he a sports fan?  If so what is his favorite team(s)?  The campaign has done a terrible job telling us who he is so we have to go with what we do know and that isn't flattering.  If he is being presented as a caricature that is his own fault.

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette

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He likes cars and dogs............ (2.00 / 5)


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Can't tell how much of this is satire (2.00 / 6)
And what, if any, is true,* but Roger Simon has a hilarious story at Politico about Paul Ryan going rogue:
http://dyn.politico.com/prints...

Snippets:

Though Ryan had already decided to distance himself from the floundering Romney campaign, he now feels totally uninhibited. Reportedly, he has been marching around his campaign bus, saying things like, "If Stench calls, take a message" and "Tell Stench I'm having finger sandwiches with Peggy Noonan and will text him later."

[snip]

But on Saturday, the day after he was booed [at AARP], Ryan broke free. Appearing at a town hall meeting at the University of Central Florida in Orlando, Ryan showed the glitz, the glamour, the razzle-dazzle that he was supposed to bring to the campaign in the first place.

He did a PowerPoint presentation for the crowd.

[snip]

A word about PowerPoint. PowerPoint was released by Microsoft in 1990 as a way to euthanize cattle using a method less cruel than hitting them over the head with iron mallets. After PETA successfully argued in court that PowerPoint actually was more cruel than iron mallets, the program was adopted by corporations for slide show presentations.

Conducting a PowerPoint presentation is a lot like smoking a cigar. Only the person doing it likes it. The people around him want to hit him with a chair.

PowerPoint is usually restricted to conference rooms where the doors are locked from the outside. It is, therefore, considered unsuited for large rallies, where people have a means of escape and where the purpose is to energize rather than daze.

Hat tip to P.M. Carpenter for this giggle.

* Oh, and Krugman is now saying it's all satire:
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.c...

But it's still funny.


If it were done when 'tis done, then 'twere well it were done subjunctively.


The clincher that it was satire (2.00 / 6)
was the last line:

Sources close to the Ryan campaign tell me his two new PowerPoint presentations will be: "How a Bill Becomes Law" and "Canada: Friendly Giant to the North."

I'm surprised he didn't note that the inflight movie was the Shatner version of "Nightmare at 20,000 Feet".

There was only one joker in L.A. sensitive enough to wear that scent...and I had to find out who he was!


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Sigh (2.00 / 6)
Half the country took that story at face value, much to poor Roger Simon's mortification.  Says something about the campaign; I'm starting to feel a bit sorry for Mitt.

In a Wonkette blurb about his pathetic "Romney/Ryan" chant attempt today a commenter said, "I don't know how his handlers get up every morning" and another replied, "It seems they don't."

Is it too soon to declare this as the worst train-wreck in modern American political history?  Probably, but still...  I feel almost guilty watching sometimes.


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Much to my dismay I'm feeling something toward Romney (2.00 / 5)
that isn't completely hate; not sure if it is sorrow as much as embarrassment.  But then I remember he is a prick and I feel better that I hope he loses bad enough to make the record books.

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette

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There Seems... (2.00 / 5)
An existential sadness about the man, kinda' like a sociopathic tin woodsman from the Wizard of Oz.  Or as someone noted at Daily Kos, "a plutocratic version of Borat."

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At least the woodsman could claim lead paint poisoning. (2.00 / 5)
Not sure what Romney is going to go with.

(I've been messing around with 270towin.com and Romney's path, based on current info which doesn't give him OH, seems very slim.)  UVA has POTUS at 290 with CO, FL and either VA or NC [can't remember] toss-ups.)

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette


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Like Father, Like Son (2.00 / 5)
Perhaps all this was foreshadowed by George Romney's '68 primary campaign:

The qualities that helped give Romney success as an automotive industry executive worked against him as a presidential candidate; he had difficulty being articulate on any issue, often speaking at length and too forthrightly on a topic and then later correcting himself while maintaining he was not. Reporter Jack Germond joked that he was going to add a single key on his typewriter that would print, "Romney later explained...." Life magazine wrote that Romney "manages to turn self-expression into a positive ordeal" and that he was no different in private: "nobody can sound more like the public George Romney than the real George Romney let loose to ramble, inevitably away from the point and toward some distant moral precept." The perception grew that Romney was gaffe-prone and a plodder.
...
Governor Jim Rhodes of Ohio more memorably said, "Watching George Romney run for the presidency was like watching a duck try to make love to a football."

Wikipedia: George Romney presidential campaign, 1968



There was only one joker in L.A. sensitive enough to wear that scent...and I had to find out who he was!

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Josh Marshall nails it (2.00 / 4)
And David Corn wins the MVP (reporter class)

Josh ruminates on the likely turning point of the '12 election:

As I said when the story first broke (peeling aside all my teeth-gnashing and immense publisher envy), I thought the story was "devastating" and probably that rare story where the press actually understates the magnitude of the damage. I still do.
...
Then those 47% comments came along and it turned out that cartoon caricature Mitt Romney was actually real Mitt Romney.

I suspect that's when he definitively lost the race.
...
But at some point it becomes dishonest to pretend the outcome isn't becoming pretty clear simply because of our instinctive fear of getting egg on our faces. For reasons bigwig reporters probably are not entirely able to grasp, I think 47% was devastating, a blow that sent Romney down for the count.

I suspect this will be obvious when we look back in eight weeks.

While I personally believe the race was lost by the Republicans long before this, 47% is good for the narrative of the death-rattle of Reaganism.

There was only one joker in L.A. sensitive enough to wear that scent...and I had to find out who he was!


Heh (2.00 / 5)
"...the death-rattle of Reaganism."  And not before time.  It's not like they didn't just have eight more years of it and bring the economy crashing down in ruins.  Not to mention the wars.  The thing that impresses me is that they tried to run on it again:

Reagan's voodoo economics has entrenched into a kind of Mad King Ludwigism.

P M Carpenter - The bold-idea-as-a-fix fallacy P M Carpenter's Commentary 26 Sep 12

They were determined to plumb the depths of gullibility among American voters and I'm guessing they've finally found the bottom of the market.  Poor Mitt got handed the loaded chamber in Grover Norquist's version of electoral Russian roulette.


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And how freakin' fitting that Jimmy Carter's grandson helped (2.00 / 5)
get that video to Corn?  Proof you don't f*ck with grandpa!

Of course now Romney told NBC News that Romneycare shows he has empathy.  Right dude, because you've vowed to repeal Obamacare.  As someone on Twitter said, seems like Romney looked at his watch and realized he hadn't shot himself in the foot yet today.

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette


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