Liveblog: Debate the First

by: Chris Blask

Wed Oct 03, 2012 at 20:10:52 PM EDT



Have at it, Mooses.

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Let the game begin. (2.00 / 5)
Watching ABC/Yahoo pre-game analysis.

Very much about what Romney needs to do. We will see who the main topic of conversation is after it is done.

John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."


I'm Stuck... (2.00 / 5)
With CNN.  Wolf makes my teeth hurt sometimes.

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Yet another reason (2.00 / 4)
Not to turn on my TV tonight (unless Pawn Stars is on).

If I do succumb to curiosity and watch, it'll be on CSPAN.

If it were done when 'tis done, then 'twere well it were done subjunctively.


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wolf hurts my very soul (2.00 / 3)


Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey
 


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Chickens. (2.00 / 3)
Roosting.

Like it.

Nice hello from Mr. Pres.

John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."


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I know your pain. Blegh, CNN. (2.00 / 2)
I was without MSNBC for 3 years while living in a Comcast-only zone here in the southeast. Le torrrrture.

Come to me in my dreams, and then
By day I shall be well again!
For so the night will more than pay
The hopeless longing of the day.


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Debate Format (2.00 / 3)
At 9PM EST the first presidential debate of the 2012 election will be televised live from the University of Denver, Colorado.  The ninety-minute event will have a novel format:


Wednesday's format: The moderator, PBS newsman Jim Lehrer, will open each 15-minute segment with a question, and Obama and Romney each will have two minutes to answer. After that, it's up to Lehrer to keep the conversation going and to intervene if one candidate goes on too long.

Presidential debates 2012: Romney, Obama gear up for first showdown AP via Newsday 3 Oct 12

On Twitter:

Both sides will use campaign accounts, such as @TruthTeam2012 for Obama and @RomneyResponse for Romney, to fact-check one another in real-time.

Andrew Sullivan - The Digital Debate Stage Daily Dish 3 Oct 12


Obama gets the first question on a coin-toss.  Bring it on.

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Perhaps... (2.00 / 6)
We need to co-ordinate who is going to start a new thread in future.  I love this place.

You know? (2.00 / 7)
This is why we can't have nice things.

John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."

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You're Quick... (2.00 / 5)
No argument there.

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*wheels table into room* (2.00 / 8)
Okay, the popcorn bowl is full, and the chips and veggies and dips are all set.  Plenty of forks for the hotpot dipping, and are there... Ah, yes, we've got lots of napkins.  Hate to put out barbecue ribs and not have plenty of napkins, that's just wrong, and don't try to tell me licking your fingers is good enough.

Checking... oh, good; there should be enough ice and clean glasses to last the whole 90 minutes, no matter how hard this crew hits the bar.  Better cut up a couple more limes, though, just to be safe.

By the way, there's a bucket of Nerf balls over there for throwing at the screen -- wouldn't want to bust it.

I'll be in my room with my computer and the cats, if you need me.

If it were done when 'tis done, then 'twere well it were done subjunctively.


TV is for the weak. (2.00 / 6)
ENDTRANS

John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."

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Not to be obnoxious (2.00 / 4)
but how much do politicians care about being honest?

Question from the ABC panel.

Ya know, as sad as it is I'm going to CNN (online).

Yes, Wolf makes teeth hurt the ABC looks like a highschool broadcast.

John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."


CNN (2.00 / 4)
Has a consistency with their panel which has been a nice tradition throughout this year's debates and contests.  It works.

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They have Skeletor, Gergen, Andersen and good graphics. (2.00 / 4)
ABC has a a backdrop rendered by Mrs. Hanley's senior class.

John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."

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Drinking Game (2.00 / 3)
Strong coffee every fifteen minutes, just like always.

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i'm on msnbc to see the debate itself (2.00 / 3)
i'll surf all over for the aftermath.

Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey
 


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Want to Bet... (2.00 / 4)
Romney spends longer explaining why he can't get into specifics on his tax plan than it would take to actually explain them?

I'll bet that Wolf Blitzer looks more natural than Romney. (2.00 / 3)
First lady introduced, standing Ovation.

John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."

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Heh (2.00 / 4)
Considering their respective budgets seems the First Lady has better fashion instincts.

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As an extension of that (2.00 / 5)
he will talk more about the criteria for his deduction cuts, those being productivity and jobs.

My drinking game is "Ohio" and the cities and industries associated with it. Gotta be careful, we need to take my 94 YO mother to cataract surgery at 7am tomorrow.

There was only one joker in L.A. sensitive enough to wear that scent...and I had to find out who he was!


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CNN is too annoying, (2.00 / 3)
has to talk over Lehrer and the intros.

NBC is letting the folks talk, swithced to that.

John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."


Crap, watching both now. (2.00 / 2)
I'm such a hopeless geek.

John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."

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Heh (2.00 / 3)
CNN has squiggly lines.

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I'm nervous. (2.00 / 5)
But the Yankees are up so there's that.

I'll check back in when I get home.

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette


Go Yankees! (2.00 / 3)
Unless they are playing the Blue Jays, of course...

John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."

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Nope. The Red Sox. (2.00 / 4)
Settling in to sweep them, too.

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette

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So, rumor has it... (2.00 / 5)
that there is a debate tonight between the President and the Prick.

Holla

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Kysen! (2.00 / 3)
Nice to see you. :~)

John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."

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/grin...good to see you, too, bro... (2.00 / 2)
another prodiGAL Moose ought to have commented by now as well.

/grin

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Aww, he's psychic. (2.00 / 2)
How cute.

**blows a kiss**

Come to me in my dreams, and then
By day I shall be well again!
For so the night will more than pay
The hopeless longing of the day.


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doood! (2.00 / 3)


Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey
 


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/grin..hiya fog...good to see ya! n/t (2.00 / 3)


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Obama smiles warmly as they meet mid stage. (2.00 / 4)
Mitt falters a smile.

John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."

Boo! (2.00 / 5)
Hey all you lovely moose!

Come to me in my dreams, and then
By day I shall be well again!
For so the night will more than pay
The hopeless longing of the day.


Sricki love! (2.00 / 3)
Damn it's nice to see you!

John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."

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Love me some Blasky! (2.00 / 2)
Great to see you too!

Come to me in my dreams, and then
By day I shall be well again!
For so the night will more than pay
The hopeless longing of the day.


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omgomgomgomgomgomg (2.00 / 3)
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!fogivheartssricki!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey
 


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Sricki <3's fog! (2.00 / 1)


Come to me in my dreams, and then
By day I shall be well again!
For so the night will more than pay
The hopeless longing of the day.


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Shout Out to Michelle... (2.00 / 3)
Not sure how that went down but it is what it is.  It's a first.

They're Both Nervous (2.00 / 5)
I thought it was just Obama but now Mitt makes him seem confident.

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Look, he can count! (2.00 / 3)
To number 5 at least, so far.

Better than W anyway.

Come to me in my dreams, and then
By day I shall be well again!
For so the night will more than pay
The hopeless longing of the day.


Four million jobs by Drill Baby Drill (2.00 / 2)
Crack down on China "If and when they cheat"

John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."

Got to Give Mitt... (2.00 / 3)
A more substantial opening.  Point to him.

Eight Trillion Dollars... (2.00 / 4)
Strong finish.  Point to Obama.

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So Now Mitt... (2.00 / 4)
Is William Jennings Bryan?  The champion of the middle class?  Boy, they are agreeing with each other a lot.  Sheesh, this is going to get scrappy.

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right? unreal. (2.00 / 4)


Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey
 


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CNN trending lines (2.00 / 3)
Positive for both.

Obama more with women than men.

John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."


Romney says he will not lower high income taxes (2.00 / 2)
He also repeats the "$4,300 income reduction" which includes the last year of Bush.

John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."

I Like Coal (2.00 / 4)
Well...  Firmly in the 20th century.  He's channelling Bush the Elder.  

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Romney 3>;s Coal. (2.00 / 3)
On Obama about energy

"No tax cut that adds to the deficit" according to Romney.

How does that work?

John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."


No New Taxes (2.00 / 5)
Now Obama is going all Ezra Klein on his butt.

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Boy... (2.00 / 3)
Somebody's about to ask Mitt how he is going to pay for this after he finishes digging himself a hole.

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Mitt blinks too much, (2.00 / 5)
especially when that fakey-fake smile is plastered firmly on his face.

Isn't excessive blinking a sign of lying or something?

Come to me in my dreams, and then
By day I shall be well again!
For so the night will more than pay
The hopeless longing of the day.


His blinking is annoying...but, the lip smacking is torture... (2.00 / 3)
I don't know anyone other than cottonmouthed stoners who smack their lips that much.

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"I will not reduce the share paid by high income individuals" (2.00 / 2)
The share or the amount?

"I will not raise taxes on middle income families"

"I want to bring down rates " and at the same time the deductions.

John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."


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Hey... (2.00 / 4)
Your the one with DSM-IV on their shelf.  You tell us.

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I haven't opened it in a while. (2.00 / 2)
I don't remember anything about blinking though, so I'm probably talking out of my ass.

**glances back**

Yeah, straight out my ass.

Come to me in my dreams, and then
By day I shall be well again!
For so the night will more than pay
The hopeless longing of the day.


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romney (2.00 / 4)
romney 'tough'?  is this what i'm seeing?

Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey
 


This is like football (2.00 / 3)
where the coaches have the first 20 plays scripted. But the plans go out the window after the first quarter. 'Tough' Romney will wilt after an hour.

There was only one joker in L.A. sensitive enough to wear that scent...and I had to find out who he was!

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"My study cancels out your study, so there!" (2.00 / 2)
Now that we know nothing can be proved or predicted, here are some more lies, platitudes, and vague sweeping generalizations.

Come to me in my dreams, and then
By day I shall be well again!
For so the night will more than pay
The hopeless longing of the day.


And, remember, he is not swayed by those silly 'Fact Checkers'.... (2.00 / 2)
he makes up his OWN facts, Dammit!

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ouch (2.00 / 4)
"his big bold idea is: nevermind"


Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey
 


Obama on Romney: (2.00 / 5)
"Now, five weeks before the election..he's saying his BIG BOLD idea is...."Nevermind". "

/snicker

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you're rusty holmes. (2.00 / 4)
lulz

Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey
 


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O namedrops bubba (2.00 / 3)
smart.  indies love the big dawg nowadays

Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey
 


A dig on Trump (2.00 / 4)
Now that's just fun.

John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."

Lol, Romney says "You bet"? (2.00 / 3)
Gee, he's a swell guy. Love to have a beer with him.

Come to me in my dreams, and then
By day I shall be well again!
For so the night will more than pay
The hopeless longing of the day.


When a debate goes "way over our first 15 minutes".... (2.00 / 3)
that is the fault of the moderator.

So, don't bitch about it Mr. Dead Eyes...DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT...like, oh, I dunno....Moderate???

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Actually... (2.00 / 4)
Him letting this go on is why I think he's doing a great job.

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I can't argue with that...but, don't gripe about it...just keep movin' (2.00 / 3)
(plus Mr. Dead Eyes bugs me, so it is fun to bash on him a bit)

/grin

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Romney... (2.00 / 4)
Is already arguing with the ref.  He'll get a yellow card.

Great, Mitt's already whining (2.00 / 3)
about time constraints. He must think he really has something to say.

Wonder if candidates would find they had more time...if they'd shut the fuck up about their time.

Come to me in my dreams, and then
By day I shall be well again!
For so the night will more than pay
The hopeless longing of the day.


My plan is not like anything tried before. (2.00 / 1)
Bring down rates and deductions.

"Suffering in this country."

Romney on a rant, slamming the hard times. Dropped below the middle on the squiggly lines as he went on too far and too long.

John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."


mitty is sooooo butthurt over the rulez (2.00 / 5)
no fairz!!!!!

he's looking very thin-skinned, and that's bad for him I think.  anyone else seeing that, or am I gone goofy?

Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey
 


If Obama Doesn't Win the Campaign with That Last Five Minutes... (2.00 / 4)
I don't know what would, frankly; to which Romney's answer was virtually incoherent.

lol (2.00 / 3)
I love Big Bird


Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey
 


Zinger! (2.00 / 4)
Just saw two go bye.

Romney started out well but he was clearly flustered at the end. (2.00 / 5)
Obama is really getting under his skin.  

Just because they are posting on a progressive site doesn't make them progressives. - John Allen

Bro! Howzit!?! /grin (2.00 / 4)


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Nerrrrrddddd!!!! (2.00 / 4)
Haved missed you bro!  

Just because they are posting on a progressive site doesn't make them progressives. - John Allen

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Spiffy! (2.00 / 4)
**bear hugs**

Come to me in my dreams, and then
By day I shall be well again!
For so the night will more than pay
The hopeless longing of the day.


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srickiiiiiiiiiiiii!!! (2.00 / 3)
Un beso mi amor!

(really have missed you!)

Just because they are posting on a progressive site doesn't make them progressives. - John Allen


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Great to see you! (2.00 / 3)
I've missed the lot of you.

Come to me in my dreams, and then
By day I shall be well again!
For so the night will more than pay
The hopeless longing of the day.


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Like good family, (2.00 / 5)
we're always happy to see each other no matter how long we've been apart.

John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."

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The smirk is really painful. (2.00 / 3)
He just doesn't look authentic.

John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."

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well... (2.00 / 4)
He just doesn't look authentic.

Probably cuz he ain't.

Just sayin'..



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You guys are really giving (2.00 / 3)
smirking a bad name. Smirking has its place in life!

What Romney does is some kind of mixed up creepy smirk/constipated grimace.

Come to me in my dreams, and then
By day I shall be well again!
For so the night will more than pay
The hopeless longing of the day.


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Spacey. (2.00 / 4)
:~)

John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."

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If he annoys the average American... (2.00 / 3)
a fraction of how much as he annoys me...Romney has not a chance in the world.

Just a slimy smirking bastard.

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"Eliminate all programs that are not worth borrowing money from China." (2.00 / 4)
States Rights, red meat for the right.

Obama now, getting good squiggles for talking about the cuts he made.

John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."


Obama... (2.00 / 5)
Just gave an Eisenhower tribute!  Bet they never saw that coming.

I like Obama just nodding like (2.00 / 3)
"Yeah yeah doofus, prattle on prattle on."

Come to me in my dreams, and then
By day I shall be well again!
For so the night will more than pay
The hopeless longing of the day.


oh snap (2.00 / 4)
now O's got Mitt over an oil barrel

Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey
 


Or in the barrel... (2.00 / 4)
like Romney's a trout and Obama is locked and loaded.

/grin

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Dude is flushing! (2.00 / 5)
You can tell when he feels cornered.  

Just because they are posting on a progressive site doesn't make them progressives. - John Allen

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He's Flustered... (2.00 / 4)
Lehrer has Mitt taking actual notes.

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Obama squiggling real well on cutting deductions for large corporations and (2.00 / 3)
shipping jobs overseas.

John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."

Hope Obama keeps hammering (2.00 / 5)
the fact that Romney's campaign won't identify a damn thing. No specifics, no real details. Nothing to help us pin him down in any way. Romney's policies are a lot like his personality... a great big murky, greasy puddle of... ooze.

Come to me in my dreams, and then
By day I shall be well again!
For so the night will more than pay
The hopeless longing of the day.


I agree that's the way go. (2.00 / 4)


Just because they are posting on a progressive site doesn't make them progressives. - John Allen

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Is it good to create ignorant-sounding soundbites like (2.00 / 4)
"I have no idea what you're talking about"?

Come to me in my dreams, and then
By day I shall be well again!
For so the night will more than pay
The hopeless longing of the day.


Mitt going on defense. (2.00 / 4)
Mitt squiggling upward (men and women the same level on states taking over Medicaid.

John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."

WTF? (2.00 / 5)
Sully sees Romney as winning this.  I don't get it.

?????????????? (2.00 / 4)


Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey
 


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Well, to my ear...Romney has had more speaking time... (2.00 / 3)
and in that time, has mostly avoided any 'soundbite' flub...so, in that, I guess it can be seen as a win so far him.

Dunno, though, he is just so distasteful to me that I can't understand how anyone would take ANYTHING he is saying as 'winning'.

(and he keeps interrupting, which is unflattering)

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it's the 'just don't shit on stage' path to victory. (2.00 / 3)


Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey
 


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I tend to forget that... (2.00 / 4)
that his grandmother passed three days before the election.

That has to still be rough...Presidency aside, politics aside...to have the woman who helped raise you pass away three days before what is arguably the greatest achievement of your non-familial life (marriage and kids, imo, will alway come before career in life highlights), would be tough as hell on anyone. Heartbreaking really.

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Is sad she didn't get to see him win. n/t (2.00 / 3)


Come to me in my dreams, and then
By day I shall be well again!
For so the night will more than pay
The hopeless longing of the day.


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Lol, (2.00 / 4)
"If you're over 60 you don't have to listen any further."

Yeah, go back to drooling on your check and your food stamps, you lazy entitled senile old fart.

Come to me in my dreams, and then
By day I shall be well again!
For so the night will more than pay
The hopeless longing of the day.


O: "If your over 55, you might wanna listen". (2.00 / 4)


Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey
 


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mitt sez: (2.00 / 4)
if you've over 60 you can stop listening.

....kids?  grandkids?  yeah, fuck 'em.

Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey
 


Romney... (2.00 / 4)
Is going full-frontal on the $716B Medicare cuts; he gets vouchers back in his face.

/grin (2.00 / 3)
And I have become fond of this term..Obamacare


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Just an aside, my mom thinks Romney is hot, (2.00 / 5)
and wants him to be president because A) he's not Obama and B) she wants to look at him for 4 years.

Should I have called the men in white coats by now?

Come to me in my dreams, and then
By day I shall be well again!
For so the night will more than pay
The hopeless longing of the day.


(barf) (2.00 / 4)


Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey
 


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Try (2.00 / 4)
not to judge too harshly. She just has brain damage from lengthy exposure to televised psychosis. I call her ailment "Fox News Poisoning."  

Come to me in my dreams, and then
By day I shall be well again!
For so the night will more than pay
The hopeless longing of the day.


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They... (2.00 / 4)
Should start polling that question, "Easiest candidate to look at for four years?"

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Ahhhh... (2.00 / 3)
so 'tis inorganic as opposes to organic brain damage?

/ducks

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Speaking of Southerners, (2.00 / 3)
We are, again. Dandridge TN, baby. Moose meet on Douglas Lake anytime you can drive a few hours north.

John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."

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My car's on the fritz (2.00 / 2)
since driving it to the beach and back with my bro a couple months ago. Mechanics aren't sure what's wrong with it, but it smells so strongly of gas that driving with the windows up for long periods is a surefire way to get wasted on gasoline.

You'll have to pick me up I guess. ;)

Come to me in my dreams, and then
By day I shall be well again!
For so the night will more than pay
The hopeless longing of the day.


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Never Drive... (2.00 / 4)
Or even get in a car that smells of raw gas.  Not safe for you.

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It does smell, (2.00 / 1)
especially when I turn it off after it's been going for a while. Mechanic said it was some fuel pump (or something) issue... I dunno. He said it's fixed and it's safe to drive, but it's never stopped smelling. I took it back and he doesn't know what's wrong with it. It doesn't REEK as badly, but I still wouldn't drive with the windows up for more than a few minutes.

The lowered windows wreak havoc on my hair daily.

Not to mention, I might blow up anytime.

Come to me in my dreams, and then
By day I shall be well again!
For so the night will more than pay
The hopeless longing of the day.


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I'll come down there and fix the damn thing. (2.00 / 3)
Shaun's right. Raw gas is a bad sign (of probably a small problem) that can turn into a big one.


John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."

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Tremendous faith though I have (2.00 / 1)
in your abilities (both here and irl), I can't help but think you might have some trouble fixing it too. Several mechanics have worked on it so far. They don't know why it smells, they aren't sure why it lurches oddly, and they can't figure out why the engine just doesn't want to turn at times.

I figure when it breaks down on me it'll be messed up enough to fix.

Come to me in my dreams, and then
By day I shall be well again!
For so the night will more than pay
The hopeless longing of the day.


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.....such a bastard... (2.00 / 4)
Of course you'd rather decide for yourself...you have the money to afford WHATEVER the fuck you want.

/facepalm

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"by the way" -mittt (2.00 / 5)
it's like a tic or something.

Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey
 


There goes Obama. (2.00 / 4)
Citing pesky factual things like numbers and studies again.

I want to see a president who's not tied down by facts or reality. That's the only way I'll ever get my unicorn.

Come to me in my dreams, and then
By day I shall be well again!
For so the night will more than pay
The hopeless longing of the day.


Smirky McSmirkypants...douchenozzle (2.00 / 4)


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I Find Obama... (2.00 / 6)
To be persuasive and in command of his material; both technically and ethically.

AND...he is NOT interrupting Romney OR Deadeyes... (2.00 / 3)
whereas Romney is all about talking over both Obama and the moderator.


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and now romney goes 'occupy'?!?!? (2.00 / 4)
through the looking glass

Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey
 


Dodd-Frank (2.00 / 4)
Romney's using jiu-jitsu but got himself all tangled up.

Obama... (2.00 / 4)
Certainly remembers all the history of his administration.  Mostly stumble free.

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Obama maxing out the squiggles going through the reason we had the financial collapse (2.00 / 2)
Pretty sustained on that. Seems to have scored some points with Colorado undecideds.


John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."

That smirk/grimace is getting (2.00 / 4)
slightly unsettling.

Didn't Mittens' mother ever tell him that if he keeps making those stupid faces his expression will get stuck that way?

Oh it already is? Shucks.


Come to me in my dreams, and then
By day I shall be well again!
For so the night will more than pay
The hopeless longing of the day.


It's Creepy... (2.00 / 4)
How he can manufacture outrage and passion for something you know he is using as a policy ploy; years in marketing.

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Yeah, it's permanent now. (2.00 / 2)


John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."

[ Parent ]
Romney does not wait for Obama to finish... (2.00 / 3)
he leaps in on a pause and won't then listen to the moderator try to shut him up.

In case I've not yet said it....Douchenozzle.

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Mitt: "Expensive things hurt families." (2.00 / 2)
Ohhhh, so that's why his family is so full of assholes. It's all because of his mansion... and his cars... and his jet... and and and...

Damn, that's a lot of hurt, Mitt.

Come to me in my dreams, and then
By day I shall be well again!
For so the night will more than pay
The hopeless longing of the day.


That... (2.00 / 3)
Was another zinger.  They whizz past.

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FTW (2.00 / 4)
"It doesn't let insurance companies jerk you around."  You go POTUS.

Interesting squiggle spike when Mitt called for bi-partisanship. (2.00 / 3)
He was flatlining and then it spiked just for that statement.

Says that that sample group at least wants the parties to work together. That is not what the GOP has done.

John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."


Obama owning the term "Obamacare". (2.00 / 3)
Could be a good call. Take the heat out of the term, and make it sound like a petty slur.

John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."

Blogs... (2.00 / 3)
Gave up on that in 2010.

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There Are Times... (2.00 / 3)
Obama has to think for a minute.  He's ducked a couple of things so far.

I like the smile Obama had for whomever dropped something. (2.00 / 3)
Very relaxed moment.

John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."

Yup. (2.00 / 4)
I'm sure the Secret Service did not find it very relaxing.  

Just because they are posting on a progressive site doesn't make them progressives. - John Allen

[ Parent ]
:~) (2.00 / 3)
I think that smile encompassed that.

"Hey, it's alright, I know you must be freaked out that you dropped that thing."

John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."


[ Parent ]
Interesting squiggle divergence. (2.00 / 3)
Women very positive about Obama calling out Romney on lack of details, men slightly negative.

John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."

Romney flatlining on his response. (2.00 / 4)
He definitely isn't winning with women.

Sully is being very cricital of Obama, but I don't know if Squiggle agrees.

John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."


[ Parent ]
Women easily sense the complete and total lack of emotion. (2.00 / 5)
Hmm... was that sexist?

Ah well.

Come to me in my dreams, and then
By day I shall be well again!
For so the night will more than pay
The hopeless longing of the day.


[ Parent ]
Yes, they do. (2.00 / 4)
If it was I will go to hell with you.

John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."

[ Parent ]
Sexists don't go to hell, (2.00 / 5)
they just go to the GOP.

Crap, same thing.

Come to me in my dreams, and then
By day I shall be well again!
For so the night will more than pay
The hopeless longing of the day.


[ Parent ]
Jesus...will the man NOT SHUT UP??? He KEEPS interrupting... (2.00 / 3)
and 'stealing' more talking time...ignoring the sputters from DeadEyes (who really is not moderating at all).

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I Still Think... (2.00 / 3)
The moderation is excellent.  Best presidential debate for nuts and bolts I've seen in a long time.

[ Parent ]
What you like about it, though, is the LACK of moderation... (2.00 / 2)
the letting 'em ramble aspect of it.

What has happened though, is that Romney just talks over DeadEye's sputtering and interrupts Obama whenever he gets the chance.

I will agree with you that I happen to LIKE this (while at the same time greatly DISliking it) because it is showing Romney to be the asshole that he is.

But, so far as 'moderation' itself goes? I think dude gets a FAIL. Just my (not so) humble opinion.

/grin

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[ Parent ]
Agreed (2.00 / 1)
But he's trying to win the aggressiveness contest and you and I both know it is going to be swooned over by the usual suspects.

[ Parent ]
Obama is up three minutes according to CNN (2.00 / 3)
Squiggle up on Obama advocating free enterprise.

Quoting Lincoln on transcontinental rail, land grants, education.

Now up four minutes.

John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."


[ Parent ]
/laughing... (2.00 / 3)
I guess that right there shows my bias....I feel like my ears are bleeding from AT LEAST an hour of Romney doubletalk.

/grin

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[ Parent ]
You really do (2.00 / 3)
have a weak constitution when it comes to listening to Republicans.

Me? Ears and stomach of IRON! Gotta be, else I'd be queasy all the time living in Bamaland.

Come to me in my dreams, and then
By day I shall be well again!
For so the night will more than pay
The hopeless longing of the day.


[ Parent ]
I admittedly have very little patience for.... (2.00 / 2)
what passes as 'Republican' anymore.

Though, tbh, it is not like I ever had loads of patience for 'em.

I just used to be able to be like..."I see where you are coming from, I just disagree"...now, I just think it pure lunacy...the party has been taken over by pure lunacy.

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[ Parent ]
Agreed. (2.00 / 2)
the GOP is a mess.

John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."

[ Parent ]
Yeah, (2.00 / 2)
the inmates mental patients have been running the asylum for a long while now.

Come to me in my dreams, and then
By day I shall be well again!
For so the night will more than pay
The hopeless longing of the day.


[ Parent ]
"Make Up a Number?" (2.00 / 4)
Ho boy.  That's Mitt's tax exception limit policy.

Romney getting good Squiggle for being constitution quotes. (2.00 / 4)
Still always less from women.

John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."

jeeeez (2.00 / 5)
boo with the dumb zingers. flat, flat, flat.

Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey
 


Did I Miss One? (2.00 / 4)
Got up to close the door.  You got to be quick.

[ Parent ]
Big Bird better watch his back! (2.00 / 5)
Mittens will wish he never went there.  

Just because they are posting on a progressive site doesn't make them progressives. - John Allen

If Voters... (2.00 / 4)
Buy this bipartisanship argument from Romney they will get what they deserve.

This is true, (2.00 / 4)
but I really hope they don't because I don't want to get what they deserve.

Come to me in my dreams, and then
By day I shall be well again!
For so the night will more than pay
The hopeless longing of the day.


[ Parent ]
Totally (2.00 / 2)
It was ever thus.

[ Parent ]
A Republican is talking about bipartisahship? Today? (2.00 / 2)
Squiggle likes it, though...

John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."

DemocratTIC...is it REALLLY that hard to say? (2.00 / 2)
One of the things that disgusts me the most about them...the NEEEEEED to be smarmy.

Just makes the douchenozzles who do it look petty and small.

And they are SOOOOO proud of it...half the time it is said with a knowing smirk like they just got away with something of import.  

It is one of my cues to ignore everything else that comes out of the speaker's mouth.

/eyeroll


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Obama closing comment... (2.00 / 2)
pretty flat squiggle.  

trending up on "grit and determination".

Now Romney.

Also flat so far, mildly up.

John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."


romney: (2.00 / 5)
In conclusion,

/concern trolling

Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey
 


Yeah... (2.00 / 5)
Romney spent a lot of time talking down the country.

[ Parent ]
That's the game. (2.00 / 4)
We are so sad, so bad...

John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."

[ Parent ]
Wolf: "This was a pretty good night for Romney" (2.00 / 4)
Sully calls it for Romney. I admit that Obama could have swung harder for the fence at the end.

John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."

[ Parent ]
"Romney Win" (2.00 / 4)
Unbelievable.  Figures.  Just when I start thinking the media is up to the job it folds up in a ball.

[ Parent ]
totally (2.00 / 2)


Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey
 


[ Parent ]
Predictable. (2.00 / 4)
Nobody gives a shit though.

My prediction? No post debate bounce.  

Just because they are posting on a progressive site doesn't make them progressives. - John Allen


[ Parent ]
Full of sound and fury (2.00 / 3)
Agreed, won't move the state polls, but probably the national ones.

Which, to quote John Nance Garner, are "not worth a bucket of warm piss".

Eye on the Prize, folks.

There was only one joker in L.A. sensitive enough to wear that scent...and I had to find out who he was!


[ Parent ]
Romney may make a minor gain, (2.00 / 2)
but he won't make enough to move the needle to his favor.

He did buy himself some time. We will see...

John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."


[ Parent ]
Watch (2.00 / 5)
The media will score this as a win for Romney.  Read it and weep.

Well, honestly...so long as Romney did not... (2.00 / 7)
whip it out and jerk it on stage...he was gonna 'win' so far as the media is concerned....they NEED the horse race.

So, this will prove that it is NECK AND NECK.....that Romney is SURGING and OBAMA'S HEELS....IT IS A TIE!!!

/sigh

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[ Parent ]
I don't know that I can disagree. (2.00 / 5)
Romney didn't fall over.

Gergen calling this a horse race, best debate by far from Romney. He still has a long way to go to win Ohio, though.

John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."


[ Parent ]
They're Falling All Over Themselves (2.00 / 3)
On CNN; they're panning Obama and seeing stars.  Honestly.

[ Parent ]
Not much better on MSNBC.../eyeroll (2.00 / 2)


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[ Parent ]
CNN Spin Room. (2.00 / 3)
You can tell in the faces of the Dem and GOP interviewees that they know how the net read is. The GOP is smiling, the Dems are talking a bit too fast.

John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."

[ Parent ]
Romney painted himself in a corner. (2.00 / 5)
In the long run Obama will have gained more from this debate.  

Just because they are posting on a progressive site doesn't make them progressives. - John Allen

[ Parent ]
I think that may be the net. (2.00 / 4)
the talking heads are agreeing across channels that Obama took it light - never nailed the 47% point. The gloves will likely come off after this, I forecast both the VP and next Presidential debate is much more personal from the left.

John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."

[ Parent ]
Yup, long game all the time from Obama (2.00 / 2)
Romney was all in tonight, all tactics, no strategy. Pres. Obama played it close to the vest on the one topic he has some risk. The next several days will call this a draw. Then, the next debates are more on Obama's side.

Meanwhile, early voting started in Ohio yesterday, he's ahead by 10 points and his ground game is fabulous.

There was only one joker in L.A. sensitive enough to wear that scent...and I had to find out who he was!


[ Parent ]
chris matthews (2.00 / 3)
is pooping himself, sounds like Harold Lederman

Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey
 


Good seeing the herd this evening. Gotta totter off to bed, (2.00 / 4)
see you all here for the next one. :~)

John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."

Half the BJ commentariat need fainting couches. (2.00 / 5)
And Sully thinks POTUS might have just lost the election.

Methinks folks aren't remembering the last election.  Debating isn't POTUS's strong suit; he's wonky and rambling and not particlarly aggressive.  I also think folks on lefty blogs and twitter took Romney way too lightly.

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette


Why I think Obama will ultimately lose (2.00 / 1)
the Sully factor-

The race will tighten, when it does the left will go bizerk and say Obama blew it. There will a final few weeks of discouragement among some liberal voters who will throw in the towel. Conservatives will in turn feel excited, the race is turning in their favor. Romney wins on turnout in his favor.

When the going gets tough, the left scatter like roaches.  


[ Parent ]
I do not think it possible for me to disagree more... (2.00 / 7)
the only way Obama loses this....is the whole 'dead girl....or live boy...found in his bed' bit.

The race may tighten...in fact, I would be surprised if it does not...but, this country is not electing Mitt Romney.

Just ain't gonna happen.

(this from the one, as oldtimers will recall, who was CONVINCED that Obama was going to lose last time)


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[ Parent ]
The country may not elect Mitt Romney (2.00 / 3)
the subset of it that actually votes is another story.  

[ Parent ]
You're so Dark. :~) (2.00 / 4)
Don't go changin'!

Romney certainly kept himself in the game, but he started from Bound To Lose. He has an unprecedented comeback to accomplish, we will see how well he can do at that.

John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."


[ Parent ]
Oh come on. I call bullshit. (2.00 / 5)
POTUS is up substantially in a number of key states that Romney needs.  Early voting in a number of states has already started.  Was the debate a potentially an unforced error?  Perhaps.  But claiming defeat or playing defeatist is counter-productive.

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette

[ Parent ]
Keep in mind (2.00 / 2)
even ahead, I still think he'll lose.

My reason is simple. The polls are showing Democratic enthusiasm. As ridiculous as it sounds, i think that will wane once the polls tighten, cause they will, and liberals will do what they do best- jump ship.

And turnout will not be anything like what the polls are predicting now.  


[ Parent ]
"It's snowing still," said Eeyore gloomily (2.00 / 6)

"So it is."
"And freezing."
"Is it?"
"Yes," said Eeyore. "However," he said, brightening up a little, "we haven't had an earthquake lately."


[ Parent ]
LOL! (2.00 / 5)


Just because they are posting on a progressive site doesn't make them progressives. - John Allen

[ Parent ]
Hey don't blame me (2.00 / 4)
for the liberal tendency to shoot themselves in the foot. Just like at MSNBC on Wednesday night. The time they could've spent refuting Romney's lies, they spent crying over the fact Obama didn't do it effectively enough for them and all was lost.


[ Parent ]
No Argument There (2.00 / 2)
Pundits first, progressives second.

[ Parent ]
It is classic liberal behavior. (2.00 / 4)
"When all else fails: emote."

Liberals as a group would not be accused of being cold, calculating strategic thinkers to a fault. Certainly Obama's performance didn't raise any roofs anywhere, but were the situation reversed you know the GOP pundits would have spent the same amount of time eviscerating something about Obama's performance and saying that Mitt had, at worst, an off night.


John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."


[ Parent ]
And its why they're not effective as a political base (2.00 / 3)


[ Parent ]
True enough, it's why you have the problems you do. (2.00 / 2)
But, like anything, problems mirror opportunities.

If liberalism were only a liability it would never win elections. But it does.

If you want to win elections you have to expect the expected and move with it not against it. Step back and let it take you with it and push back when the surge subsides.

I nor any other critic of liberalism is going to change our own need to emote about the emoting, but savvy players nonetheless time the swells and surf the currents.

John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."


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