Lounge: Why Won't the President Just Kick it in the Nuts?

by: Adept2u

Mon Oct 08, 2012 at 11:36:19 AM EDT



MOOOOOOOOOOOOSE!

Everything old is new again.  I was sitting down and writing a piece about last week's debate when I noticed that I was producing something chapter and verse I had written before.  So I thought WTH let's see what the herd thinks if i just threw it out there without editing.  Fit today?

Adept2u :: Lounge: Why Won't the President Just Kick it in the Nuts?
Come on that's really the question isn't it? It's the very base and genesis of what I feel is about 70% of President Obama's perception problems, he doesn't ever appear to give any issue a straight kick to the figurative groin.

Think about a favored movie device. You have a perilous Pauline and some evil man has treated her wrong from the very first act. In the ultimate scene after she has destroyed her villain's plans and as he is handcuffed and marched away to the big house the cop offers the man to Pauline and she gives him a knee right to the family jewels and the crowd goes wild.

Was it enough that Pauline achieved justice, that she foiled the evil plans? No, that just doesn't give us enough satisfaction. We don't feel that justice is truly served till someone is rolling on the floor with what feels like childrens jacks for testacles.

David Axelrod made a couple of observations about President Obama as he was running his campaign that has always stuck with me.

"You care far too much what is written and said about you. You don't relish combat when it becomes personal and nasty. When the largely irrelevant Alan Keyes attacked you, you flinched."..snip

"Warning that revelations of past drug use would be used against him, Axelrod worries that Obama won't be able to take the heat that will come in a presidential campaign. 'It goes to your willingness and ability to put up with something you have never experienced on a sustained basis: criticism. At the risk of triggering the very reaction that concerns me, I don't know if you are Muhammad Ali or Floyd Patterson when it comes to taking a punch.'"


Where I got these quotes from

Consider when the President first took office and began to settle in. We truly wanted the President to prosecute the previous administration, but more than that we wanted to give them a rochambeau. Was it enough that the reign of idiocy was over? Was it enough that we could finally move forward with our agenda, get things like non racist in charge of the equal employment division and begin to turn off all the switches that Bush had pulled to place this country as one of the worlds most hated? No, America really doesn't like the kinds of victories that Popeye the Sailor had where Bluto beat the entire crap out of him for the entire cartoon, and Popeye only got his after the spinach and the last 20 seconds, at least not anymore.

Think about how many times during the primary contests we screamed at the President to go on the attack against Hillary Clinton to eviscerate her for saying this or that, but he didn't. Why didnt he give her the figurative smack? That temperament most likely allowed Secretary Clinton the ability to accept the position of Secretary of State. Would it have been better had President Obama ripped her a new one? Not to me having the Democratic lioness on the team is another reason I sleep better at night with the Obama Administration in control.

Unfortunately it appears the temperament that has served the President so well in the past is going to catch up with him. The gulf oil spill is just the latest example of President Obama's overall style. From the first day he attacked the problem with precision and for the most part no one can honestly criticize the administrations response, and especially in comparison to how our previous President treated the residents after Katrina where he left people to float dead up the street like so much refuse. Yet this President appears to be doomed to be tagged with the label, and why is that? This President didn't kick anyone figuratively and publically in the nads, and sadly despite the utility of the action, sometimes you have to give the public what it wants.

It's not a matter if President Obama has the fight as Axelrod alluded to earlier it's about if he can show the public he can knock someone out.

Normally I'm the type of Obama supporter that will back his play. He was elected President he's my quarterback and I'm his lineman watching his back, and for the first time ever I'm going in the huddle to ask the man to run a play. Mr. President grab the next issue before you and the first thing you do is give it one to the sack loudly and publically. Make it heinous make it slightly unfair. Tell the problem to look at that meteor falling out of the sky and give it one to the old baby factory and I guarantee a 5 point bump

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OK. Now you asked (2.00 / 7)
The only person I know who knows POTUS says he does have a tendency to get a bit aloof and abstract, until events force him to come out of the ivory tower and fight.

My guess is - given everything else that's happened in the last five years (think just of 2008 alone!) - he's knackered, and only survives by having very focused days.

Compared with Romney, he would have had minimal prep. It's been Mitt's job for the last four months preparing. Obama has had a country to run.

I remember the same dynamic with Bush/Kerry in '04. Bush was flat, irritated, bored and exhausted by the whole debate: for Kerry it was primetime!

So it's a factor, probably worth about 2 percent in terms of votes, all in the margin of error

But if it is a wakeup call to Barack, I'm glad it happened.

He's brilliant when he's fired up

The p***artist formerly known as 'Brit'


It was noted on GOS (2.00 / 7)
that Obama had presented 2 faces in his debate practices, the fiery orator and the low-key just-the-facts-ma'am. He obviously went with the latter to mixed short-term results. But perhaps his choice was driven by the realization that the media was going to tilt the scales to Romney no matter what.

But Peter, you're the writer here. What if you look at the debates as a 3 act play. You don't crush the antagonist in the first act. No, you create the dynamic tension that evil will carry the day.

"Whom the gods would destroy, they first raise up." And so the Romney supporters rejoiced and carried their hero aloft (for 2 days). There was much rending of (designer label) garments by Obama's more emo supporters.

Act II. Obama the fiery orator returns, his erstwhile doubters wet themselves with joy and the stage is set for:

Act III. Like Sun Tzu, the climactic battle is on the field of the Presidents choosing, foreign policy. Game, Set, Match. Victory laps ensue.

The End

There was only one joker in L.A. sensitive enough to wear that scent...and I had to find out who he was!


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This. (2.00 / 4)
It's been Mitt's job for the last four months preparing. Obama has had a country to run.


Just because they are posting on a progressive site doesn't make them progressives. - John Allen

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If I Understand You Correctly... (2.00 / 7)
You're suggesting that Obama's sober, precise style is basically sound and presidential but that once in a while he needs to give the crowd a trophy?  I wonder if that's the issue.  There is something about this whole debate-as-game-changer narrative which I find deeply disturbing.  

In the immediate aftermath my son, incredulous at the pundit reaction, said "I blame reality television."  And I think he's got a point.  The punditry seem to imagine themselves panel of a surrealistic Who Wants to Be a President?.  Let's say, as this article suggests, that this specific election is a choice election for a compelling reason, my emphasis:


In the nineteen-seventies, the balance of power began to shift from production to capital, and corporate America started to seem lumbering and inefficient. This shift was the business world's version of the sixties-one (younger and impatient) group of politically conservative businesspeople challenging another (older and more traditional) group. The field of battle was not politics, culture, dress, or taste in music. It was the American corporation, and the consequences for the whole society were profound. The business sixties wound up rearranging most of the American economy. General Motors has fewer than half as many employees today as it did in 1955, and, among the American corporations that were great at mid-century, it's hardly alone. George Romney was an organization man. Mitt Romney became a transaction man: someone who moves assets around with a speed and force that leaves many of the rest of us bewildered. The insurrection in business has profoundly affected the lives of most people who work, pay taxes, and get government benefits. It is the backdrop to this Presidential election.

Nicolas Lehman - Transaction Man New Yorker 1 Oct 12

So we have the transactional capitalist versus the community organiser.  A choice election indeed; probably a determinant turning point for American social policy of a generation, at least.  And our system as it now stands is so composed that a performance like Romney's, easily as mendacious as Ryan's infamous convention address, can change the trajectory of the campaign scored entirely on style.  From a distance it is stunning; unprecedented.  It's as if the presidential campaign was a professional wrestling bout.  The deeper drama of this contest between social philosophies which will profoundly impact the electorate eludes us.

If this is how the media adjudicates our political contests, with the self-promoting, trivial, emotive criteria of reality TV show judges, then we have issues beyond winning the next election; and winning becomes more important than ever.  Obama did provide a head on a platter; and he chose a deserving one whose demise was calculated to heal a traumatised and frankly slightly deranged nation.  Perhaps we need to win this one on by sheer reason, competence and optimism just to show them how it's done.


I'm with your son (2.00 / 7)
I always thought I could trace a lot of our issues with shallowness to Robin Leach and Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous.  It was as if overnight we began to worship the kinds of selfish showie consumption that the day before even the rich would say showed little class.

It is my intense hope that should Obama win this election the air will be taken out of the pundit class.

"I honor the place in you where Spirit lives
I honor the place in you which is
of Love, of Truth, of Light, of Peace,
when you are in that place in you,
and I am in that place in me,
then we are One."  Namaste Friends!


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Yeah... (2.00 / 4)
But what do we do about it?  The Wolf Blitzers of the world would have us bumble forward from one superficial observation to the next.  Incidentally, given the enormous impact, apparently, of this debate on the campaign it occurs to me that the media gave a fair few voters a convenient excuse to revert to emotional bias in their election choice.  As if Obama's charisma is some kind of ward spell against the unacknowledged headwind a black man faces, no matter how competent, in running the country and seeking election.  Let him appear human just once and the whole mythological narrative collapses?  Come on, that's not how governing actually works.  Too much is at stake.

Obama may have not given a charismatic performance, to be sure, but so what?  He argued his case, sometimes quite persuasively, and was sober and reasoned throughout.  It seems to me that he got mugged, frankly; though I can think of a more sinister metaphor from our not-to-distant past.

I think he should take the case to voters.  Do you want Obamacare or be at the mercy of your employer and the insurance companies?  Do you want to preserve the social welfare system or have a survival lottery?  Do you want the empowerment of citizens or labour like serfs?  How many economic classes are we going to let ourselves be divided into?  But he's got to keep smiling.


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The thing is (2.00 / 5)
Obama may have not given a charismatic performance, to be sure, but so what?

The thing is, the country had the same reaction. Obama got MORE popular after the debate. Only, so did Romney.

What appears to have happen is liberals internalized the eeyore mentality of the punditry and narrative post-debate, because the professional left- they're not looking for a President, they're looking for a general for a civil war. They got a president instead.

What is causing the polls to move to Romney is Democrats are disappearing from the likely voter model, because, like I said, they've internalized the media narrative that Obama blew it.  


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Well... (2.00 / 4)
Then we should be able to fix that, no?  Democrats are listed on our door-knocking iPhone apps.  What bugs me is that the media, in their enthusiasm for a horse race, overdid the reaction; them saying it was a game-changer was game-changing.  The only problem is that Romney's performance was pitched explicitly to that purpose; that the pundits bought it hook, line and sinker says as much about their inflated sense of self-importance and vanity as it does about their wit.

It seems to me they gave a whole bunch of people who were predisposed against Obama an empty excuse to revert to their instincts even in the face of a set of choices arguably against their own self-interest.  I don't expect every voter to cherish the Socratic dialogues but it would be nice if they realised when they were being conned and it would be hard to imagine a more compelling example than Romney's recent debate performance.  The media were accessories after the fact; I hope, but doubt, they are losing sleep over it.  We have to have an answer for this.


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That's the point (2.00 / 6)
What bugs me is that the media, in their enthusiasm for a horse race, overdid the reaction; them saying it was a game-changer was game-changing.  

That's the point. That's exactly what they wanted. It could've been stopped if there was some pushback from the left, but they were too busy crying in their lattes that Obama didn't turn into a pit bill.

I don't expect every voter to cherish the Socratic dialogues but it would be nice if they realised when they were being conned and it would be hard to imagine a more compelling example than Romney's recent debate performance.

And this is where the professional left helped. They didn't defend their guy, they internalized it, because they too were disappointed they didn't have a pit bull. They didn't take up the mantle and tell the public they were being conned. They whined that Obama didn't do it himself, even though he kinda did and it just didn't work because Romney did a good job deflecting the bullshit. And now you got Andrew Sullivan spreading the meme that its over for the President. I give it two weeks before the professional left accepts it actually is.  


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Well... (2.00 / 3)
How about we all cancel our cable subscriptions after the election.  I'm in.

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Done (2.00 / 5)
In Romney's America, I won't be able to afford it anyway.  

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In Romney's America, cable subscriptions will be mandatory (2.00 / 5)
Health care will be unaffordable.

There was only one joker in L.A. sensitive enough to wear that scent...and I had to find out who he was!

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already done. (2.00 / 1)
two months ago.

Howard Dean is my guy. (in a strictly nonsexual fashion)

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Did you type that Eeyore bit with a straight face while looking in the mirror? (2.00 / 5)
That Pew poll has more issues in it than just voter self-identifiation.

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette

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And for reality TV (2.00 / 5)
....we Brits have a lot to answe for: our main TV export as drama and documtaries declined (whole section in my book about this)

So buy your son a pint: he's on the money

That, and the prevalence of former sports commentators among the pundocracy squew the whole game to exactly as you put it, transactional politics that concentrate on the pitch, not the content

Been true a long time now, perhaps back to Nixon Kennedy.

But I'm sure the grass roots organiser will get more votes out

The p***artist formerly known as 'Brit'


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Heh (2.00 / 5)
He'll have a Coke, he's under age.  Ironically Charles P Pierce, former sports writer, has one of the more pointed and historically coherent perspectives on our current politics.  

I've always been on outsider who is more interested in foreign policy than domestic economics because foreign policy is the domestic economics of the next decade but have long ago accepted the unapologetic innocence of all opinions American on worldly matters.  But we are breaking new ground here, the contemptuous attitude of the Romney campaign toward the American public could have been strategised by Monsanto.


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Former? (2.00 / 4)
Dude is still doing the damn thing over at Grantland.

http://www.grantland.com/contr...

(yes, on everything else you said)


Just because they are posting on a progressive site doesn't make them progressives. - John Allen


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This is why I think we lose (1.67 / 3)
And the Pew poll seems to imply I'm right.

Obama is well liked, but the problem is the base gets its marching orders from the pundits, who want to kick the other side in the balls. They don't care about anyone else.

I said Obama will lose because when the campaign gets rough, his supporters will run for the hills. Half the party never wanted him there anyway and spent the last four years overblowing every rough patch as a reason why. That's just what they're doing. That's ultimately what's going to elect Romney.



Begone... (2.00 / 6)
Doomsayer and speaker of dark things.  We are conjuring a comeback here, not organising a wake.

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Let me be diplomatic (to DTO) about this (2.00 / 7)
READ THE FUCKING PEW POLL CROSSTABS!

The Regional responses are as follows:

REGIONObamaRomneyDK/RefNum%
Northeast5341620118%
Midwest4450627124%
South4053741738%
West5146422320%

What doesn't belong in the above table?
[Helpful Hint: IT'S THE FUCKING SOUTH %!]
Time's up. In what universe does the South represent 38% of the Likely Voters? /rhetoricalquestion.

Moral of this story: Try to be a bit more discriminating when you go all emoprog over 1 poll.

There was only one joker in L.A. sensitive enough to wear that scent...and I had to find out who he was!


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In a universe (2.00 / 2)
where Democrats and liberals aren't likely voters.

the Pew poll implies they're not enthused about voting. That's the point of likely voters, they're the ones who tell Pew they're likely to vote.  


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They can vote as enthusiastically (2.00 / 6)
as they want in the South, but if the lesser enthusiastic Obama voters in Ohio give him 50%+1 votes, all their pom-pom waving will come to naught.

Chuck Todd is over-selling his "enthusiasm gap" meme. And it seems that you are buying it.

There was only one joker in L.A. sensitive enough to wear that scent...and I had to find out who he was!


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That's true (2.00 / 3)
but what I'm saying is the lesser enthusiastic Obama voters are now saying they aren't voting, which is why they aren't showing up in the Pew poll.

Will that last? You know where I stand on that.

But that's all its saying.  


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That's cool (2.00 / 5)
It's all opinion here and we will find out who guessed best in 4 weeks. And the winners will get free beer from the losers. I'll stand for some Seattle micro-brews if I'm wrong. But I refuse to pay for any pretentious wines.

There was only one joker in L.A. sensitive enough to wear that scent...and I had to find out who he was!

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Pretentious Whine... (2.00 / 4)
However, is going very cheap these days.

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Where is an MM Top Comments (2.00 / 2)
rec function when you really need it? (hint, hint admins)

There was only one joker in L.A. sensitive enough to wear that scent...and I had to find out who he was!

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is the purpose of a poll to "imply" anything? (0.00 / 0)
not in a rational world.  You are free to cite shitty polls to your heart's content, as it fits your narrative.

I am free to disregard your limp and palid opinion.

Howard Dean is my guy. (in a strictly nonsexual fashion)


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The purpose of the poll (0.00 / 0)
is the imply who is likely to vote.  

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well.. (0.00 / 0)
Since you're fluffing a shitty poll, I'm just going to move on.

Howard Dean is my guy. (in a strictly nonsexual fashion)

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Notice, too, that Latinos are under-represented. (2.00 / 3)


"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette

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But Again... (2.00 / 3)
The likely voter screen is a one-stop explanation.

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Again (2.00 / 2)
that's because more Latino voters are telling Pew they aren't likely to vote.


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Good catch (2.00 / 4)
If I'm reading the crosstabs correctly, under-represented as in ZERO represented.

Now that's what I call unenthusiastic. Chuck Todd was right.

There was only one joker in L.A. sensitive enough to wear that scent...and I had to find out who he was!


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Better critique of Pew crosstabs (2.00 / 4)
posted at GOS at same time as my comment. Devastating Cross Tabs Destroy the Pew Poll, more complete analysis, recommended.  

There was only one joker in L.A. sensitive enough to wear that scent...and I had to find out who he was!

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Stymied by Choice (2.00 / 4)
How do you explain this:


(CNN) -- Jill Thacker was dying for a cup of coffee when she recently ran into a 7-Eleven convenience store. To her pleasant surprise, the coffee was free -- as long as she would commit to drinking it in either a red Mitt Romney cup or a blue Barack Obama cup.

"Which are you going to choose, Mom?" her son asked.

Which, indeed. A gun-owning, big-government-hating Republican, Thacker's every instinct told her to buy a Romney cup. But Thacker, 56, and her daughter have asthma -- a pre-existing condition -- and with Obama as president they'll be guaranteed the ability to buy insurance.

Thacker stood in the 7-Eleven and stared at the red and blue cups, stymied by the choice they represented.

Elizabeth Cohen - Longtime Republicans torn between party loyalty and Obamacare CNN 7 Sep 12

Stymied by the choice?  Give me a f*cking break; she's paralysed by her adolescent biases.  This is what we are up against.


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Now see Thacker is interesting (1.75 / 4)
To me, she's representative of the problem liberals have, and don't accept exists.

What you have here is someone torn between what they have been raised to believe and what they actually do believe.

When faced with this choice- stymied if you will- I feel like that's when they do the whole "pox on both your houses" garbage and get fed up with politics.

It's hard to admit you've been wrong all along, and everything you were taught was a lie. It's even harder when you're an arrogant self-centered know-it-all American  


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Heh (2.00 / 3)
You've found my weakness.  I can't argue against the "arrogant, self-centered, know-it-all American" characterisation in this instance although I would suggest it is merely arrested emotional development.  At least we have to deal with a goody-two shoes fringe of dreamers and pet adopters rather than skinheads and religious zealots.

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But that doesn't describe Thacker (2.00 / 4)
You wrote:

I feel like that's when they do the whole "pox on both your houses" garbage and get fed up with politics.

But the article summarizes:

Then she reached for the blue cup with Obama's name on it.

This is unadulterated good news because it means that long-lost Reagan Democrats are finally coming home.

Now, in a more general sense, what you write is applicable to the Fundie Christians. I expect that they will go back to their pre-Moral Majority way of being apolitical. And that is also good news.

Perhaps one "of the problem liberals have" is that they describe people who are trying to struggle through life in their largely tribal way as "arrogant self-centered know-it-all American(s).

There was only one joker in L.A. sensitive enough to wear that scent...and I had to find out who he was!


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Yes (2.00 / 1)
but I'm not a liberal activist looking to win them over. If I was, I wouldn't say that.

The problem is they are arrogant, self-centered and know-it-all, because they're constantly more concerned about the set of beliefs they think they should have instead of what's good for them, but you're not supposed to treat them like that. Liberals treat them like that.  


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Meh for (2.00 / 3)
arrogant self-centered know-it-all American  

That is the problem the Left has in a nutshell, imho. Not that I expect it to change, but the whole "we suck more" attitude is nothing more or less than a group sulk to draw attention like an adolescent wearing a lot of black.

Yes, yes I know. Everyone else's parents care more, nobody else has to share a room with their sister and we'll just sit here and stare at the wall until they are really sorry for what they did to us.

Double bullocks.

John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."


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I'll never take Andrew Sullivan seriously again (2.00 / 8)
This histrionic crap about the Pew Poll and his embrace not only just of every right wing 'meme' about the debate (calamity, implosion, disaster, self-imolations...and you should see how the Israeli press has uncritically reproduced the right wing response) but about Obama in general (arrogant, vain, detached, lazy, blah blah blah) isn't just counter-productive, but idiotic:

http://andrewsullivan.thedaily...

Write about celebrities Sully.  That's all you're good for now.

The future is unwritten


My Experience... (2.00 / 7)
Of recent elections tells me that it will be mid-week before the actual impact of the debate, if indeed any, is actually known.  Could someone please explain to me what the rest of the punditry has been on about in the interim?  Even sports writers know enough to wait for the umpire's decision before criticising the play.

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Sully is the biggest chicken little ever. (2.00 / 6)
Wow.  

Just because they are posting on a progressive site doesn't make them progressives. - John Allen

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Heh (2.00 / 8)
Wonkette to the rescue:


What, then, do we do, fellow Obamatards? Do we pick things up and work hard to get Barack Obama elected, making sure we and others turn out in droves?

Hahahaha, fuck you, that takes selfless effort. Blow me. Instead, let's despair and complain on the internet, endlessly talking about how we could have run Barack Obama's campaign, and then eventually turn into the Unskewed Polls guy. Paranoid accusations in the face of marginally bad news are no vice, dear people.

Jesse Taylor - New Pew Poll Shows End Of Democratic Party As We Know It Wonkette 8 Sep 12

It was ever thus.


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From the Comments (2.00 / 7)

Well, that's it. I'm buying a set of Trucknutz for the Prius...



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I smell a big business opportunity (2.00 / 5)
iTrucknutz™ with [patent pending] breakaway hinges for low ground clearance.

There was only one joker in L.A. sensitive enough to wear that scent...and I had to find out who he was!

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I want that T-shirt! (2.00 / 6)
that says "Blow me. I'm an Obamatard" It's too unPC to wear in Seattle, but I can unpack it and wear my freak flag high when I move to unPC Orlando. Accessorized by my Big Bird totebag, of course.

There was only one joker in L.A. sensitive enough to wear that scent...and I had to find out who he was!

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Heh (2.00 / 6)

First they came for the 8' 2" canary-yellow muppets,
And I didn't speak out because I wasn't an 8' 2" canary-yellow muppet...



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Uhhh, doesn't "muppet" reference a different show? (2.00 / 5)


"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette

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Jim Henson... (2.00 / 6)
Originally created the characters for both:


After earlier unsuccessful attempts, the Walt Disney Company bought the Muppets in 2004. Exceptions include characters appearing on Sesame Street (as they were previously sold to Sesame Workshop, although they have always had creative rights, only reimbursing The Jim Henson Company to create and provide their Muppet characters for their use) and the Fraggles of Fraggle Rock (which are still owned by the Jim Henson Company). The legal trademark on the term "Muppet" is currently held by The Muppets Studio, a wholly owned division of the Walt Disney Company, although Sesame Workshop and the Jim Henson Company continue to occasionally use the term on their characters with certain permissions from Disney.

The Muppets Wikipedia

In the puppet world any Jim Henson character is a "muppet."


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Apparently a couple of polls coming out of Ohio today. (2.00 / 5)
Be prepared.

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette

Read Nate's comments today... (2.00 / 6)
...on the Pew poll results and his overall assessment, and you'll feel better.  It's certainly not a lock for Obama but it's not nearly as dire as the punditry would have you believe.

If it were done when 'tis done, then 'twere well it were done subjunctively.

Linky for the lazy: (2.00 / 5)
http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.n...

John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."

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Awesome Job Approval numbers (2.00 / 7)
from Gallup:
10/6-8/2012 Approve 53% Disapprove 42%

Back to pre-debate numbers.
It was noted over at GOS that no sitting president has lost with a 53% approval. Evah.

There was only one joker in L.A. sensitive enough to wear that scent...and I had to find out who he was!


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What? (2.00 / 6)
Y'all don't have Nate's blog bookmarked or sumpin?

If it were done when 'tis done, then 'twere well it were done subjunctively.

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If Obama loses I'm blaming Schultz and Mathews. (2.00 / 9)
Somtimes Chris is to busy being an expert, and Schultz always plays to HIS base. They don't have that problem at Fox.
  Seems a little soon for all the gnashing of teeth. It was proably too much to hope for to have Romney continue to screw up all the way to the election. My high school football team had a quarterback who was a tremendous athlete, but also seen as an all around dickhead. When he was no longer an athelete he reverted to the bully he always was, never understanding where his popularity went, thus reduced to saying anything he thought people would like or agree with. Mitt at the debate reminded me of that person.  

Nate silver has POTUS at 70/30 to win ~ or the same as pre- (2.00 / 7)
convention.  CNN poll has OH still in Obama territory.  If that debate bounce was the "game changer" Romney lost.

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette

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Yeah... (2.00 / 6)
Still looks ugly though; this is going to be a real dog fight.  I always expected a tightening at the finish, hoping this is the extent of it but a bit earlier.

[ Parent ]
It's all GOTV (2.00 / 7)
If GOTV is as good as it has the potential to be (given the OFA infrastructure), and Dem enthusiasm is up to par (near 2008 levels), I still think O gets 347 EVs and +3 popular vote.

that's my goal.

/hopemonger*

*money/mouth: I'm phonebanking NV, and likely joining canvass there in the coming weeks.

Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey
 


[ Parent ]
I'm With You There... (2.00 / 6)
But if the GOTV was working one would expect to see it showing up in the likely voter screen, which is what I was assuming was driving the positive polling pre-debate.

At this stage I think we keep plugging away while waiting for the dust to settle a bit; sadly it seems that the media, who had one chance to judge an event in real-time, put all their chips on a dramatic narrative that chased ratings and totally ignored content.  We need some sober reflection from those "opinion makers" who reckon half their job is over when they've got their make-up done.


[ Parent ]
Shaun... my brother... (2.00 / 4)
Your last posts have been a bit gloomy.

RISE UP! :~)

Just because they are posting on a progressive site doesn't make them progressives. - John Allen


[ Parent ]
Heh (2.00 / 4)
No whinging from me!  But it would be pointless to pretend the wind hasn't shifted a few points.  I am thinking of how to write a post that this is all quite a wonderful and necessary thing once the polls settle down; something based on the 2008 justification of his candidacy, that if people simply voted a wave could be created.  They did and it was.  Somehow we forgot this was all about us and not about him.  Maybe if Obama was cast more as a human president we would all be better off; we need to shoulder the burdens we otherwise sometimes hurl at him from across the living room.

He's a pretty canny guy but he can't do this all by himself; energetically speaking.


[ Parent ]
honestly though, (2.00 / 4)
i'm still concerned over the GOPs voter suppression efforts.  the good guys have fought hard enough to swat away or mitigate their attempts to curb early voting, the wacky ID stuff, etc., but they've done damage to registration drives.  dem numbers are far lower than they should be given demographics and population growth.  that troubles me a lot.  it's not just the suppression they hope to achieve, but that with which they've already succeeded that we need to worry over.

Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey
 


[ Parent ]
Pew's LV screen looked a little fubar to me (2.00 / 6)
romney post-debate bounce is likely receding already.

our bounce is enroute.  no point having it show up early.  :)

i'm curious to see how the 4th estate handles biden vs. ryan.  at least some portion of the punditry has had to acknowledge that they were wanking to style and ignoring substance.  some of them must be embarrassed that they came off like joe rogan covering MMA. i'm thinking that ZEGS* won't get away with lying as much as romney did, or if he does, the fact-check cavalry will be swifter and more sharply pointed.  also, i think moderators from here on out will take pains to avoid the peri- and post-debate abuse lehrer received.

romney's lia-a-thon, look at moderate ol' me performance is like the hide-the-ball and tag-the-runner when he leads off trick:  that shit won't work twice.

*Zombie Eyed Granny Starver

Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey
 


[ Parent ]
Ryan may also hurt Romney if he stands by his (2.00 / 4)
record.  I don't think Ryan is the liar that Romney is and Biden is much less likely to let one go by unanswered.

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette

[ Parent ]
I dunno, ryan bin lyin' plenny (2.00 / 3)
you caught his convention speech, right?  lol

Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey
 


[ Parent ]
Yeah but there was no rebuttal there. (2.00 / 3)
After last week I'm not counting any chickens but I firmly believe that if the campaign lets Joe be Joe Ryan's going to look like the smarmy lying fuckwad that he is.

:)

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette


[ Parent ]
No Rebuttal (2.00 / 5)
But some Lefty columnists shamed the media into delving into the fictions.  Fogiv is probably hoping his debate performance is similarly analysed; it's a fair chance if they actually are capable of feeling remorse.  I'll leave discussions of the reptile brain to others.

[ Parent ]
That Seems... (2.00 / 4)
A fair prediction to me; the media would have to beg for mercy as we all cancelled our subscriptions in my version but I'm mighty pissed off at them just now.  Vain fools!

[ Parent ]
new poll out of Ohio (2.00 / 5)
19% of likely voters have already voted O:76/R:24.

Among those LV who have not yet voted, R:51/O:45%

If the numbers hold, it will be O:49.8/R:45 (or something like that) figgered out by some math genious on B-J

Howard Dean is my guy. (in a strictly nonsexual fashion)


[ Parent ]
A musical interlude - Romney's Lament (2.00 / 4)
Dem soldiers and Bama's coming,
I'm finally on my own.
This summer I hear the polling,
We're dead in Ohio.

(We're dead in Ohio)

(We're dead in Ohio)

Gotta get down to it
Buckeyes are voting us down
Should have been done long ago.
What if you knew me
And found me lost on the ground
How can I run when I know?

[apologies to CSNY]

There was only one joker in L.A. sensitive enough to wear that scent...and I had to find out who he was!


[ Parent ]
That person you speak of (0.00 / 0)
it what Americans label as a "hero"

How many people in this country become legendary for being assholes?  


[ Parent ]
Dennis Miller? (2.00 / 4)
Rush Limbaugh?

There was only one joker in L.A. sensitive enough to wear that scent...and I had to find out who he was!

[ Parent ]
Sanity (2.00 / 7)
Steady as she goes:


In the meantime, I tweeted this out before, but I believe that all the polling-based models still have Obama as the likely winner. Let's see: first of all,HuffPollster's model (by Simon Jackman) currently has Obama slightly in the lead. That's not a forecast; that's their model's best estimate of where things are right now.

Let's see...Nate Silver has the president as a 71% favorite and with 297 electoral votes. Drew Linzer has Obama at a whopping 322 electoral votes. Sam Wang has Obama at 302 EVs. I'm not sure what else I should be looking at, but basically the polls as they are now, taken at face value and historical context, have Obama winning.

Jonathan Bernstien - Elsewhere: Polls, Taxes A Plain Blog About Politics 9 Oct 12

Let's hammer those slippery weasels on policy, damn it.


This is why I hate the "bouncers" (2.00 / 7)
People responding to the debate coverage?  Or even to one 90 minute performance by a guy who has needed to re-boot his campaign more often that he uses the toilet?  And now we wait for those same voters to bounce back to us?

Our fates rest in the hands of a handful of fickle and shallow rubes at the moment.

The biggest reason for concern I see about these debate polls is that they do indicate that there was a percentage of independents who were soft for Obama and just waiting for one single momentary demonstration of competence from Romney.  That's all they needed to shift.

Still, as has been pointed out many times, 38% of the respondents to that Pew Poll were from the South.  If 38% of the electorate were Southerners, Obama would be as viable a candidate as Nader.  But that means that nearly 40% of the Pew Poll respondents were from states that Obama cannot win and doesn't need.

The battleground wavering on the other hand isn't making my day.

It's Obama's move.  And his primary venue isn't one in which he excels.  So he needs to step it up without looking desperate.  Hammering away at Big Bird (and being requested not to by the producers of Sesame Street) looks silly at this point.

The future is unwritten


Shucks (2.00 / 2)
Those are the same people for whom cable dumbs down the news.  Pity we can't disenfranchise them but there it is.

[ Parent ]
Nah (2.00 / 6)
Cable dumbs down the news for the entertainment of partisans.  But it is these people for whom campaigns late in the cycle dumb down their appeals and produce out of context sound bites.

I would fight (literally, not just argue rhetorically) to defend their enfranchisement.  First of all, when one starts strategically disenfranchising demographics, no one's vote is safe.  Secondly, I'm not arrogant enough to entrust myself with the authority to determine who merits the vote and who does not.  That's why voting rights are rights and not privileges.

Nonetheless, when we are as close to evenly divided as we are now, the unfortunate and unavoidable result is that our fate rests disproportionately in the hands of the people I would prefer had less influence.

The future is unwritten


[ Parent ]
and BTW, that's a cheap shot and you know it... n/t (2.00 / 4)


The future is unwritten

[ Parent ]
Yes (2.00 / 2)
But I suspect that you would vigorously defend my right to take it.

[ Parent ]
I would defend it very cheaply n/t (2.00 / 5)


The future is unwritten

[ Parent ]
Making off the cuff remarks about Big Bird is cute, (2.00 / 5)
spending real money to make a commercial if flat out stupid. War, wealth gap, entitlment reform, womens rights, immigration.......... and we are spending money on big bird, playing right into the conservative meme about liberals. The more I think about it the more stupid it sounds.
 

[ Parent ]
Let's hear what the O campaign says about that (2.00 / 7)
From the Halperin article referenced below:

OBAMA ADVISER 2: It's [the Big Bird ad] not going to run in battleground states.

OBAMA ADVISER 1: We're not putting it into our rotation.

OBAMA ADVISER 2: And here's the other thing. It's important at some point to have a little levity here. And to say to people on comedy channels, "hey, this is fun." This is, like...
OBAMA ADVISER 1: Or, "can you believe this guy?"

OBAMA ADVISER 2: Right. That debate was parody-able.

OBAMA ADVISER 3: Bold leadership.

HALPERIN: And you say it's broken through, how do you know that?

OBAMA ADVISER 2: Have you seen the viral stuff all over the Internet? Have you searched Funny or Die and how many views that's gotten? Have you seen how many kids have signed that petition?

OBAMA ADVISER 3: Entertainment Tonight, Access Hollywood, it's broken through to the consumer media.

OBAMA ADVISER 2: People who don't read your column, with all due respect, are out there having a conversation about it.

Excerpts from Mark Halperin's Interview with Senior Obama Campaign Officials at the Chicago Headquarters

Some may think this is stupid, others would call it message reinforcement. I'm going with the guys who have the winning track record.

There was only one joker in L.A. sensitive enough to wear that scent...and I had to find out who he was!


[ Parent ]
Levity is fine, spending big money on ad buys for fun is not. (2.00 / 7)
  I try not to be too critical of the campaign, my comments concerning the debate where not hyper critical. But Big Bird, PBS, really? The left might find it funny, the right is glad we are talking about big bird and not the 47%, the middle is thinking WTF. I have a hard time beleiving this fires up the base, and if we are lucky the undecideds are ignoring it. Do you really think this will change any undecided minds in our favor?

 I could call it arrogant or detached, but I'll stick with stupid.


[ Parent ]
Liberals seemed to love big bird attack (0.00 / 0)
last Thursday and hate it a week later when it proved to not be working.  

[ Parent ]
google image search: 'completely wrong' (2.00 / 4)
lulz

Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey
 


[ Parent ]
For everything else, there's ObamaCard (2.00 / 5)
Cost to produce Big Bird ad:                   $10,000
Cost to run BB ads on cable TV:            $100,000
google image search 'completely wrong':  priceless

There was only one joker in L.A. sensitive enough to wear that scent...and I had to find out who he was!

[ Parent ]
Sales of 'Big Bird' halloween costume spiking. (2.00 / 5)
http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes....

As costume shops across New York prepare for Halloween, Big Bird - singled out by Mr. Romney during the presidential debate last week as the embodiment of wasteful federal spending - is the flavor of the moment.

Several shops, including Halloween Adventure, said Tuesday that after the Obama campaign rushed out an ad mocking Mr. Romney as demonizing Big Bird, they had sold out, and were ordering more. Other shops that did not stock the costume said that people had been asking for it.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/c...

Mitt Romney is definitely doing his part to boost the economy. Following Mitt Romney's debate comments, interest in Big Bird costumes has skyrocketed. Costumecraze.com said that there has been a 500 percent increase in sales for the "Sassy Big Bird Adult Costume" since the debate.


Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey
 


[ Parent ]
IIRC (2.00 / 7)
the first national post-debate poll (Reuters/Ipsos I think it was) showed a positive 16 point flip in Obama's favorability among indies. the wacky polls (LV screens in particular) are reflecting a sag in enthusiasm.  dems are too busy tending their hair fires to asnwer the phone to describe themselves as 'likely'. I think the sliver of true 'independents' is very narrow, and actual undecideds even moreso.  it's a base election now. turnout, turnout, turnout. battle for OH FL and VA, fortify in PA and NV.

Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey
 


[ Parent ]
The Obama campaign Top Dogs speak candidly. (2.00 / 6)
A must read article by Mark "Good News for McCain" Halperin addresses some Nevada issues:

OBAMA ADVISER 2: But here's what the last ones didn't change, it didn't change his [Romney] problems in the Midwest, on a whole host of issues. Didn't change on cars. Didn't change on outsourcing. It didn't make him a better candidate in Ohio or Iowa or Wisconsin. And, you know, you just look at the map, he's going to continue - we have more pathways to 270 - he's got his problem, you've written that, and you're right. It is, for him, and for us, in the end, about the map.

OBAMA ADVISER 3: We closed out the voter registration period and did some really significant work in key states. You see reporters like Jon Ralston tweeting that Republicans really walked away from what was a major opportunity to close the gap in states like Nevada.

...

HALPERIN: I want to come back to the Electoral College in a second, but just to finish up on the ground. So, you think, in all nine states, your ground game is superior and will count for a point or two?

OBAMA ADVISER 2: I think it depends on where. A point in Florida is a big point, as you know. A point or two -- [Harry] Reid added two in Nevada, and that was the off year when they had a small organization. I think what is true is we are superior on the ground in every battleground state, no question about it... I bet my life on that. No question. And I think we have the ability to do two things: both persuade the undecideds and turn out our vote.

Excerpts from Mark Halperin's Interview with Senior Obama Campaign Officials at the Chicago Headquarters

Bold for emphasis.
I'm guessing Plouffe and Gibbs are 2 of those advisers.

I caught Jon Ralston on MSNBC discussing the Dem voter registration numbers. When asked about a Nevada poll showing Obama ahead by 2 points, he said it was much larger than that.

There was only one joker in L.A. sensitive enough to wear that scent...and I had to find out who he was!


[ Parent ]
heh (2.00 / 5)
reading, i heard gibbs voice.

Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey
 


[ Parent ]
Netanyahu called for elections in January (2.00 / 6)
Now Obama really has to win.  I couldn't bear to vote twice in 3 months and see both my countries empower jackweeds.  Bibi will form the coalition for sure.  Likud is polling 27-29 mandates out of 120.  They'll have the largest bloc.

The only silver lining is that the joke that is Kadima seems over (down to around 4) and Ehud Barak's party will likely only get 2 while Labour is poised for something of a comeback.  Looks like Labour will be 2nd with 20 seats.  Shelly Yachimovich, a popular former journalist and single mother, chairs the party and will campaign primarily on social and economic issues affecting the Jewish majority.  So the emphasis will be off, as one cannot address those issues without a viable agreement with the Palestinians.  Nonetheless, Labour is perhaps on the way to becoming a viable alternative and functioning party once again.  I thought Barak had succeeded in murdering it.  But there's hope this new generation will resuscitate it now.

The future is unwritten


Oh, and why no updates on (2.00 / 8)
your grandbaby a2u?

How is everyone doing?

PICS???!!!


The future is unwritten


Trenchant observation by PM Carpenter today: (2.00 / 5)
"When the going gets tough, conservatives get feral, and liberals go fetal."

http://pmcarpenter.blogs.com/p...

If it were done when 'tis done, then 'twere well it were done subjunctively.


Some pollster yesterday said: (2.00 / 5)
(paraphrase)

When you give Republicans bad news, they try to kill you, and when you give Democrats bad news they try to kill themselves.


Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey
 


[ Parent ]
great, just great (2.00 / 7)
cue the calls for impeachment:

A former military security officer in Libya will tell Congress on Wednesday that the State Department withdrew security officers from the country even as violence from militias and criminal groups grew worse earlier this year, according to prepared remarks.

"The security in Benghazi was a struggle and remained a struggle throughout my time there," Lt. Col. Andrew Wood wrote in testimony he plans to deliver later Wednesday at a politically charged hearing of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee

{snip}

The session, titled "Security Failures of Benghazi," is expected to include sharp accusations from Republicans that the State Department was more interested in presenting a picture of an improving situation in Libya than in ensuring the safety of its staff there.

{snip}

The top State Department security officer for Libya during most of Wood's time there, Eric A. Nordstrom, separately told the committee that he requested that the team be extended through September or October, but that the request was denied.

Wood volunteered to testify as a whistleblower, although he said he is aware there may be consequences for his career. Nordstrom will also testify at the request of the Republican-led committee.

FYI: Lt. Col. Wood is National Guard, out of Utah.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/...

Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey
 


And I just read somewhere (2.00 / 8)
That cutbacks in State Department overseas security were the result of Congress refusing to provide the necessary funds for the requested levels, thanks to Republican intransigence.  So the GOP had better be careful about this or it could blow up in their faces, especially given how unpopular Congress is already.

If it were done when 'tis done, then 'twere well it were done subjunctively.

[ Parent ]
Notice the date: (2.00 / 6)
Posted at 1:54 PM ET, 02/14/2011
Secretary Clinton: House Republican budget cuts will endanger national security
By Felicia Sonmez

Updated: 3:30 p.m.

Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton said Monday afternoon that the spending levels outlined by House Republicans late last week for the remainder of the fiscal year would endanger the country's national security.

"The scope of the proposed House cuts is massive," Clinton told reporters at a Capitol news conference after attending a luncheon meeting with House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio). "The truth is that cuts of that level will be detrimental to America's national security."

Clinton said that she had a "very productive" meeting with Boehner at which the two discussed a wide range of topics from the continued funding of the federal government to the developments in Egypt. Noting that the funding resolution proposed by House Republicans last week would cut State and USAID funding by 16 percent compared to FY 2010 levels, Clinton said she told Boehner that she was "very clear" about her "deep concerns" about the cuts and what they would mean for the work being done by both departments, particularly regarding the U.S. mission in Iraq and Afghanistan.

"We would be forced to scale back significantly our mission in the frontline states of Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan where we work side-by-side with the American military," Clinton said. "We would also be required to roll back critical health, food security, climate change, border security and trade promotion efforts abroad as well."

http://voices.washingtonpost.c...

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette


[ Parent ]
asdf (2.00 / 7)
In Ohio, where there has been a renewed focus by the Romney campaign after the former Massachusetts governor's strong debate performance, Obama leads 51 percent to 45 percent. That's a 2-point uptick for Romney.

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But the Ohio poll also included an 11-point advantage for self-described Democrats --- 40 percent to 29 percent for Republicans. Last week's poll had a narrower 5-point advantage for Democrats.  . (In 2008, the party identification split was 39 percent Democrat and 31 percent Republican, according to exit polls.)

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One factor that may have pulled the party ID more heavily toward Democrats in this poll was early voting. One-in-five respondents (18 percent) said they have already voted, and, of those, almost two-thirds (63 percent) said they voted for Obama.

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lulz

http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_...

Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey
 


Extrapolating the early voting (2.00 / 5)
the Obama campaign has already banked 12% of the 51% they need to win Ohio and with it the election. So with 4 weeks to go, they can bank more votes and the only ones left on Nov. 6th will be the procrastinators.

Since I'm part of that demographic, I have some great advice on how to motivate them. But that can wait until tomorrow.

There was only one joker in L.A. sensitive enough to wear that scent...and I had to find out who he was!


[ Parent ]
procrastinator's top 10 bad habits: (2.00 / 6)
1. list making

2.

.

Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey
 


[ Parent ]
Today's polls look a lot better (2.00 / 6)
http://www.realclearpolitics.c...

The p***artist formerly known as 'Brit'

[ Parent ]
I have discovered the Sad Bastard Bar (2.00 / 7)
And must explore it.  I invite you to join me, starting with this striking dissection of Romney's psyche:

http://www.thesadbastardbar.co...

And this gut-satisfying evisceration of the emo meltdown over the debate "debacle":

http://www.thesadbastardbar.co...

A sample:

For four years, we sat at his left flank just pissing and moaning while he delivered what none of his predecessors could. He did this against a party that is objectively crazy. And now, one debate, and the question is, is the President's heart in it?

What happened to chess? Yeah, fuck chess, we had a few bad poll days, time to go beat our own brains in with an ice pick. You know what? Fuck the President's heart. I know his heart's in it because while you and I have been fucking around amongst ourselves, bullshitting into the ether as to what it would mean for the campaign if Obama came off like an angry black man for a second, he's been there bleeding for us and our progressive policies every goddamn day. You know whose heart isn't in it? You know who needs to take the blame right now? You know who is letting everybody down? We are. We're the ones we've been waiting for, and we surely are a huge pile of superstitious assholes. For four years, this President has made good on his promises even with the shit-storm that has become the political process in America. And he deserves, if not our support, then our resolve. So stop fucking panicking because you had a bad poll day. You know how many bad poll days the President has had? You might know better than he does, because he's been too busy trying to keep Iran and Israel from becoming the dust and ash filled lands formerly known as Iran and Israel. So, for fuck's sake, get your shit together.




If it were done when 'tis done, then 'twere well it were done subjunctively.

/epic (2.00 / 5)


Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey
 


[ Parent ]
Sully claims he's beat POTUS up enough. (2.00 / 5)
Methinks Sullivan himself is tired of getting taken to task.  And being mocked.

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette

[ Parent ]
Poor wilting lily (2.00 / 4)
"Where is my accustomed gilding?"

If it were done when 'tis done, then 'twere well it were done subjunctively.

[ Parent ]
He's definitely been taking a (warranted) thrashing. (2.00 / 3)


Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey
 


[ Parent ]
Brits and Corporal Punishment (2.00 / 3)
Say no more

There was only one joker in L.A. sensitive enough to wear that scent...and I had to find out who he was!

[ Parent ]
You Might Recall... (2.00 / 5)
I suggested the "light" security Republicans have been deriding the Obama Administation about and the ambivalence of the State Department in the aftermath of the Benghazi incident may hint at something; something Republicans might have thought about before having a politicised, in-recess, public hearing during the last few weeks of the election:


Republicans were aiming to embarrass the Obama administration over State Department security lapses. But they inadvertently caused a different picture to emerge than the one that has been publicly known: that the victims may have been let down not by the State Department but by the CIA. If the CIA was playing such a major role in these events, which was the unmistakable impression left by Wednesday's hearing, having a televised probe of the matter was absurd.

Dama Milbank - Letting us in on a secret Washington Post 11 Oct 12

"Absurd" is letting them off lightly: worth reading the whole thing.  Idiots.


I read that last night. (2.00 / 4)
Imagine the stink that would have been raised had this been done by Democrats.

(Chaffetz stands by his vote to cut State Dept funding even now, too.)

But at least Issa has backed off investigating the BLS numbers.

By the way, start a VP debate diary.  I'll be on the road again.

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette


[ Parent ]
Yeah... (2.00 / 4)
Republicans have been making some apparently dumb choices on national security lately.  And I have a funny feeling something is up with Iran; we may all be in for a surprise.

[ Parent ]
Things that make you go, "Hmmmmm..." (2.00 / 5)
DeptofDefense 7:35pm via HootSuite

TONIGHT AT 9 p.m. ET: #SecDef to deliver speech to Business Executives for National Security about defending the nation from #cyber attack.
Retweeted by thejointstaff



"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette

[ Parent ]
More "Hmmm..." (2.00 / 4)

The Iranian cameraman assigned to document President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's recent trip to the UN has defected, and new reports claim that with his exit he has handed the US a trove of never-before-seen footage of his homeland's nuclear facilities.

Hassan Golkhanban, a journalist for the Iranian News Network, was among the 140-people that accompanied President Ahmadinejad to the United Nations headquarters in New York last week. Unlike the rest of the Iran head's entourage, however, the videographer vanished before returning home and has since asked the US State Department to grant him political asylum.

Ahmadinejad cameraman hands nuclear tapes to CIA, Israel's Debka reports Russia Times 5 Oct 12

Something's up with Iran.  Of course if you read Debka regularly you tend to see things under the bed that are only the figment of someone's fever dream.


[ Parent ]
holy flippin' shit (2.00 / 4)
i heard nothing about this today.  this is a massive story, right?

Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey
 


[ Parent ]
Kinda' (2.00 / 4)
This was a week ago.  No confirmation or denial.  I can't find any independent confirmation of the cameraman's defection but it isn't Debka's style to manufacture events, just twist them.

[ Parent ]
wow. its captivating. (2.00 / 1)


Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey
 


[ Parent ]
Ah... (2.00 / 3)
Here we go:


NEW YORK (AP) - A lawyer for a cameraman who was accompanying Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to the US for the United Nations General Assembly in New York says his client has defected.

Paul O'Dwyer, a New York City-based lawyer who is representing Hassan Gol Khanban, confirmed Sunday that his client is seeking asylum in the US He provided no other details.

Ahmadinejad's cameraman defects, seeks asylum in US Times of Israel 1 Oct 12

Now, the question remains, was the Debka story just a ruse to panic and disorient the Iranians?  Right in their wheelhouse.


[ Parent ]
I'm off to the Industrial Control System Joint Working Group conference (2.00 / 2)
in Denver next week. This is DHS' public/private semi-annual get together.

The topic will certainly be on the table.

John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."


[ Parent ]
Diary? (2.00 / 3)
I can't find a picture of Biden as Obi-Wan Kenobi.

[ Parent ]
Breaking! Mitt Romney releases details to his tax plan (2.00 / 2)
http://www.romneytaxplan.com/

Details at link!

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I honor the place in you which is
of Love, of Truth, of Light, of Peace,
when you are in that place in you,
and I am in that place in me,
then we are One."  Namaste Friends!


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HA!

If it were done when 'tis done, then 'twere well it were done subjunctively.


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Breaking! Mitt Romney releases details to his tax plan (2.00 / 1)
http://www.romneytaxplan.com/

Details at link!

"I honor the place in you where Spirit lives
I honor the place in you which is
of Love, of Truth, of Light, of Peace,
when you are in that place in you,
and I am in that place in me,
then we are One."  Namaste Friends!


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