Open Thread: Pre Debate music and musings

by: DeniseVelez

Mon Oct 22, 2012 at 20:26:56 PM EDT



Hola Moosies!

I'm in a New York state of mind and decided to chill out to some neighborhood folks doing the Boricua thing for Obama. (for Spiffy)

Leslie Gore was part of the musical soundscape of my teenage years, and I like the real women in this video supporting women's rights and calling out the R's.
DeniseVelez :: Open Thread: Pre Debate music and musings
A New Yorker, who grew up in Jersey.  Thank you Ms Gore.  

Hard to believe Romney is going to "debate" foreign policy, and that anyone can take it seriously, but this is the game and we are stuck with it.  

I'm trying to decide if I'm going to watch, or just read live blogs that have sense of humor - like Wonkette's.  

Wassup Moose?
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Open Thread: Pre Debate music and musings | 173 comments
So what are you going to do this evening? (2.00 / 4)
Or morning (Peter - what time is it where you are?)

"If you're in a coalition and you're comfortable, you know it's not a broad enough coalition"

Bernice Johnson Reagon

Denise!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (2.00 / 3)
I'm not watching. I haven't watched any of them ... just peruse twitter and various blogs.

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette
Well my husband isn't going to wattch (2.00 / 2)
he told me to yell up the stairs if it is important for him to change channels.

Like I said I'll stick with scanning a few live-blogs

Preferably those with no chicken littles.

Heyyyyyyyyyyyyy!!!!!


"If you're in a coalition and you're comfortable, you know it's not a broad enough coalition"

Bernice Johnson Reagon

[ Parent ]
Oh God. (2.00 / 2)
Moderator is Bob Schieffer.  Maybe he'll be a pleasant surprise.

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette
Not to be an age chauvinist (2.00 / 2)
but he is 75 and I'm not sure he is up to shutting down the Bully-man.

Sigh.

"If you're in a coalition and you're comfortable, you know it's not a broad enough coalition"

Bernice Johnson Reagon

[ Parent ]
By the way, if climate change isn't mentioned tonight it will be (2.00 / 3)
the first time since 1984 the subject has not been raised during a presidential debate.

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette
What I find bizarre is the focus on "only" Middle-East, North Africa (2.00 / 3)
and China.  

Um...it's like the rest of the world doesn't exist.  
No Canada, Mexico, Brazil, Caribbean, India....Italy, Greece, England...the list is long - most of the globe  will be ignored

"If you're in a coalition and you're comfortable, you know it's not a broad enough coalition"

Bernice Johnson Reagon

[ Parent ]
Anyone with Benghazi in the drinking game will be drunk early. (2.00 / 3)


"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette
[ Parent ]
heh. (2.00 / 2)
I will be chugging coffee. This is past my bedtime.

"If you're in a coalition and you're comfortable, you know it's not a broad enough coalition"

Bernice Johnson Reagon

[ Parent ]
Not to Mention... (2.00 / 4)
The Pinnacle Islands.  This is foreign-policy kabuki; the candidates do fire lit shadow puppets of famous tropes of contemporary American mythology on the cave walls for us to guess.  
[ Parent ]
roflmao (2.00 / 3)
Except Romney probably doesn't know what kabuki is. He strikes me as singularly uneducated in world culture.

"If you're in a coalition and you're comfortable, you know it's not a broad enough coalition"

Bernice Johnson Reagon

[ Parent ]
He likely has never heard of The Pinnacle Islands, either. (2.00 / 4)


"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette
[ Parent ]
Whaddya mean? (2.00 / 3)
He knows Mormons from all over the world...

...and they all somehow dress exactly like he does.

The future is unwritten

[ Parent ]
I remember seeing a group of young Mormons (2.00 / 2)
walking together in San Juan Puerto Rico. They stood out like sore thumbs - was very strange.  Blonde, blue-eyed tall, in dark suits and white shirts (in the heat).  Smiling- with that creepy paternalistic smile Mitt pastes on his face.  
I think they must do smile training camp.  

"If you're in a coalition and you're comfortable, you know it's not a broad enough coalition"

Bernice Johnson Reagon

[ Parent ]
BTW if you want chuckles (2.00 / 2)
the live blog at Wonkette is here:
http://wonkette.com/487444/yes...

Comments are already hilarious.

"If you're in a coalition and you're comfortable, you know it's not a broad enough coalition"

Bernice Johnson Reagon

Has Romney lied yet? (2.00 / 2)
:)

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette
Holy Crap (2.00 / 2)
Fareed is on the CNN judges panel.  Quelle surprise.
True to Form... (2.00 / 2)
John King called this the "tiebreaker."  Sheesh, what have we done to ourselves?
[ Parent ]
Soledad O'Brien already warned via twitter that focus group is (2.00 / 3)
largely white since they are undecided voters.  Won't matter in the analysis, though.

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette
[ Parent ]
Soledad has been a real journalist on CNN (2.00 / 4)
wonder when they will cancel her gig?  

"If you're in a coalition and you're comfortable, you know it's not a broad enough coalition"

Bernice Johnson Reagon

[ Parent ]
Maybe she and Shep Smith can form a new news org (2.00 / 4)
with Rachel.

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette
[ Parent ]
Amazing - a panelist who actually knows something about (2.00 / 2)
foreign policy.  

"If you're in a coalition and you're comfortable, you know it's not a broad enough coalition"

Bernice Johnson Reagon

[ Parent ]
Romney... (2.00 / 3)
Off to a tepid start it seems.  Touched on a lot of issues but don't see an overarching narrative within that.
Seems to be Wonkette's consensus, too. (2.00 / 3)
But they might be drunk.  :)

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette
[ Parent ]
Obama... (2.00 / 2)
Doesn't know what "decimated" means unless he's saying we killed 10% of the al-Qaeda leadership.  Stay on offence, Mr. President.
Making a Good Point... (2.00 / 2)
About Libya.  Give it to 'em, Barack.
[ Parent ]
Uh-oh... (2.00 / 2)
Romney's articulating Obama's policy again.  Crikey.
[ Parent ]
Romney... (2.00 / 2)
And Obama getting argumentative.  Hope this ends well.
[ Parent ]
Obama... (2.00 / 2)
Going for the steady hand.  This is good.
[ Parent ]
I literally LOL'd (2.00 / 4)
TheReidReport 9:12pm via Twitter for iPad

Obama on all kinds of offense. Said the 1980s called and want their foreign policy back. Ouch! #debate



"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette
oh goody - I can't follow tweets they are to too fast (2.00 / 2)
keep em comin!

"If you're in a coalition and you're comfortable, you know it's not a broad enough coalition"

Bernice Johnson Reagon

[ Parent ]
Your wish, milady (2.00 / 4)
goldietaylor 9:16pm via Twitterrific

RT @richardwolffedc The rising tide of confusion: not just in the Middle East, but also in the mind of Mitt Romney. << Heh. Indeed.
5 retweets



"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette
[ Parent ]
Ha! good one n/t (2.00 / 2)


"If you're in a coalition and you're comfortable, you know it's not a broad enough coalition"

Bernice Johnson Reagon

[ Parent ]
... (2.00 / 4)
TheReidReport 9:17pm via Twitter for iPad

"@JohnFugelsang: 1st mention of Israel goes to Obama & Roger Ailes smacks an intern. #Current2012" / oh my damn...
5 retweets



"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette
[ Parent ]
Preach! (2.00 / 2)
jbouie 9:20pm via Tweetbot for Mac

What Obama needs to do is note how Romney is receiving his advice from the people who led us to war over the last decade.



"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette
[ Parent ]
This is just sad (2.00 / 2)
Eric_Jotkoff 9:23pm via Web

Foreign Policy: "When asked about Romney's Syria policy, [Sen.] Cornyn said, 'I don't know what it is.'" OFA.BO/fZnySq
Retweeted by HariSevugan



"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette
[ Parent ]
ooof ...that smarts :) n/t (2.00 / 2)


"If you're in a coalition and you're comfortable, you know it's not a broad enough coalition"

Bernice Johnson Reagon

[ Parent ]
So far so good (2.00 / 3)
Romney looks weasel-y, in my opinion (but then, I always think that).
Now Syria... (2.00 / 2)
Perhaps we'll see a bit of chicken-hawk leg here.
Obama... (2.00 / 1)
The internationalist and wary of "entanglements."  Good.
[ Parent ]
Romney... (2.00 / 3)
"Syria is an opportunity."  Syria is a barbed-wire entanglement with land mines.
[ Parent ]
Romney... (2.00 / 2)
Sounds like a simplistic imbecile to me.  He can recite lists of countries but "arming the insurgents" in Syria for their "friendship" is just unicorn wishing.
[ Parent ]
Romney has yet to meet a country in that region that isn't an (2.00 / 2)
opportunity.

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette
[ Parent ]
From Dkos (2.00 / 3)
6:12 PM PT: Boom, hammer time! Obama says every time Romney has taken a position on foreign policy that  he's been wrong.

"If you're in a coalition and you're comfortable, you know it's not a broad enough coalition"

Bernice Johnson Reagon

Ah... (2.00 / 3)
Obama just pulled a second Osama bin Laden out of his pocket.
Obama... (2.00 / 3)
Blunt and direct before leaving Syria; good.
[ Parent ]
Hey Denise! (2.00 / 3)
Watching debate but not yet enthralled. Then again, maybe I'm just tired.

(Or maybe Romney just sucks and makes everything around him suck also.)

Come to me in my dreams, and then
By day I shall be well again!
For so the night will more than pay
The hopeless longing of the day.

I'm not watching (2.00 / 4)
reading blogs is more fun
Shaun is

and Happy has twitter covered

I'm going back and forth between Dkos and Wonkette

"If you're in a coalition and you're comfortable, you know it's not a broad enough coalition"

Bernice Johnson Reagon

[ Parent ]
From Dkos (2.00 / 4)
Wait (4+ / 0-)

Did Romney say that Iran needed Syria for to get to the sea? Has he ever looked at a map?

They don't call it the PERSIAN Gulf for nothing...

"If you're in a coalition and you're comfortable, you know it's not a broad enough coalition"

Bernice Johnson Reagon

Heh... (2.00 / 2)
He was thinking of Russia.  They have a naval base there.  Whoops.
[ Parent ]
Romney's Foreign Policy (2.00 / 4)
Agree with everything Obama's done and then concern troll him with inflammatory words.  Rove!  Curse you!
From Wonkette (2.00 / 4)
What time is Dick Cheney scheduled to burst out of Romney's chest?  

"If you're in a coalition and you're comfortable, you know it's not a broad enough coalition"

Bernice Johnson Reagon

Don't Bite Obama (2.00 / 1)
Stay cool and classy.  Fareed said at the start, "Whoever segues to domestic economics is worried about Ohio" and they both have.
Twice Now (2.00 / 1)
Uh-oh.
[ Parent ]
Both (2.00 / 1)
And a slap at the teachers' union.  Sheesh.
[ Parent ]
Wonkette (2.00 / 6)
God, it seems like Mittens has been yammering on for about 5 hours. America, do you really want to listen to this stammering fuck for 4 years?


"If you're in a coalition and you're comfortable, you know it's not a broad enough coalition"

Bernice Johnson Reagon

Heh... (2.00 / 3)
Whoops.  Suddenly this is not a foreign policy debate.
Obama... (2.00 / 2)
Just killed him on education.  So he falls back on Massachusets.  Say, "That was eight years ago Governor, a lot has happened."
[ Parent ]
Heh... (2.00 / 1)
Now Romney is going to tangle with the moderator?  He's on Obamacare now.  Crikey.
[ Parent ]
What is the moderator doing? n/t (2.00 / 2)


"If you're in a coalition and you're comfortable, you know it's not a broad enough coalition"

Bernice Johnson Reagon

[ Parent ]
Nothing (2.00 / 2)
Watch this.
[ Parent ]
A lot of bored folks on my twitter timeline. (2.00 / 4)


"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette
Just Goes to Show... (2.00 / 3)
How foreign policy scores in their focus groups.  Both sides.
[ Parent ]
How many times can they go around and around on Libya and (2.00 / 4)
such particularly when Romney reiterates POTUS's policies?

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette
[ Parent ]
/snort (2.00 / 3)
DemocraticLuntz 9:38pm via Web

"In the Navy" they don't ask or tell no more.



"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette
Obama... (2.00 / 5)
Managed to segue into military spending and back to national security and then off Romney goes.  And what's with this 1918 navy.  We had hundreds of excess destroyers in 1918; we didn't build destroyers again until the late 1920s, which was a problem.  "Horses and bayonets."
Yeah - lots of reaction to (2.00 / 6)
that at Dkos and Wonk

Fewer Horses and Bayonets (2+ / 0-)

Go Obama -- that was priceless.  PBO just told Rmoney that "we're not playing a game of battleship".



"If you're in a coalition and you're comfortable, you know it's not a broad enough coalition"

Bernice Johnson Reagon

[ Parent ]
Inn response to Israel question: (2.00 / 4)
jesseltaylor 9:48pm via Web

Romney: "I just want to underscore Obama's answer because...fuck, man, bayonets?"



"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette
[ Parent ]
Lets go to video (2.00 / 5)


"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette
[ Parent ]
Wonkette (2.00 / 4)
Mittens is literally melting under the kliegs...


"If you're in a coalition and you're comfortable, you know it's not a broad enough coalition"

Bernice Johnson Reagon

Apparently POTUS just zinged Romney (2.00 / 4)
on horses and bayonets.

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette
See Shaun's comment above. (2.00 / 3)


"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette
[ Parent ]
oh wow - just did a twitter search (2.00 / 5)
Romney bayonets

that is going to be the cartoon of the week  

"If you're in a coalition and you're comfortable, you know it's not a broad enough coalition"

Bernice Johnson Reagon

[ Parent ]
Triremes for everyone! (2.00 / 6)
Honestly, that boat talking point was so stupid, glad Obama hit him on that.
DKos comment (2.00 / 6)
6:44 PM PT: Obama is making fun of Romney's lack of understanding of military now. Oh man, I can't do this justice, but it's fucking hilarious.

6:44 PM PT: A bit of laughter from audience. Schieffer looks like he might be close to busting out in "guffaws."

I knew Romney was going to be clueless - but just how badly prepped couldn't predict.

Looking forward to laughing at the video replay

"If you're in a coalition and you're comfortable, you know it's not a broad enough coalition"

Bernice Johnson Reagon

[ Parent ]
Huh? (2.00 / 4)
Romney wants to indict Ahmadinejad for hate speech?  Crikey.  International kabuki theatre.
I'm Guessing... (2.00 / 2)
Obama just advanced his stated Israel and Iran policies with specifics.  Wonder if that makes an impression?
And Now... (2.00 / 2)
Romney is formally declaring war on Iran on Inauguration Day.
[ Parent ]
twitter makes things better (2.00 / 6)
neeratanden 9:51pm via Web

Can someone ask Josh Bolton right now if he agrees with Romney that Obama is doing a pretty awesome job on foreign policy?



"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette
And with more war (2.00 / 5)
jeremyscahill 9:52pm via Web

Obama sort of perfectly defined the way things are on US foreign policy: Romney would do what Obama does, just louder
Retweeted by JamilSmith



"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette
[ Parent ]
That Chinese oil company bit (2.00 / 6)
Just brutal.  That was a knife to the ribs.
OOOhhh... (2.00 / 3)
Obama's outloving Romney on Israel.
Twitter (2.00 / 6)
Mitt's entire debate strategy: What he just said, but from a white guy
- @billmaher via web


"If you're in a coalition and you're comfortable, you know it's not a broad enough coalition"

Bernice Johnson Reagon

Iran... (2.00 / 4)
Is not "four years closer to a bomb."  That makes no logical sense.
Hahahahahahaha (2.00 / 5)
You said "logical."

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette
[ Parent ]
Battleship remark is already a youtube (2.00 / 5)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

"If you're in a coalition and you're comfortable, you know it's not a broad enough coalition"

Bernice Johnson Reagon

Look up (2.00 / 4)
I embedded.  :)

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette
[ Parent ]
you are fast!!!!!! :) n/t (2.00 / 4)


"If you're in a coalition and you're comfortable, you know it's not a broad enough coalition"

Bernice Johnson Reagon

[ Parent ]
Good Answer... (2.00 / 4)
From Romney on refusing hypothetical.  Get him, Obama.  "All over the map."  "Pleased you are now endorsing our policies..."
Holy Cow (2.00 / 5)
Obama just hit Romney with an almost lethal combination and portrayed him as a total flip-flopper.  And the moderator stops Romney's riposte!
[ Parent ]
Folks are calling this a massacre :) (2.00 / 3)
GOBAMA!

"If you're in a coalition and you're comfortable, you know it's not a broad enough coalition"

Bernice Johnson Reagon

[ Parent ]
Afghanistan (2.00 / 2)
This will be word-salad from both competing chefs.
May John McCain rot in hell, though (2.00 / 6)
BorowitzReport 10:06pm via Web

"I'm glad I don't have to study up on any of this crap anymore." -- Sarah Palin #debate
57 retweets



"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette
I'm Thinking... (2.00 / 5)
Obama just might be aceing this thing.  I've been wrong before.
Oh Noes! (2.00 / 4)
Moderator fell in Obama/Osama pothole.
And Romney... (2.00 / 7)
Suggests Pakistan is not a "civil society."  Hmmm...  Must check the Pakistani papers later.
[ Parent ]
Rich (2.00 / 4)
Blaming Obama for no progress in I/P peace talks.  Nice try.
[ Parent ]
Actually, I blame Obama (2.00 / 4)
not for the lack of progress, but for not addressing the Israeli and Palestinian people directly.  

He should have gone straight from Cairo to Jerusalem and then to Rammallah (which is about a 15 minute drive by the way, depending on where you start from in J'lem).

I'd like to see him do this in the first year of his next term, or first 6 months.

Or, I'd like to hear why he hasn't tried this.

The future is unwritten

[ Parent ]
Fair Comment... (2.00 / 5)
I would love to see the Secret Service memo on that itinerary.
[ Parent ]
Between Secret Service and Israeli security (2.00 / 5)
it's eminently doable.

And of course, like a true liberal, because Obama didn't do exactly what I thought he should at the time I thought he should I now declare him worthless and will sulk instead of voting.  And if he loses, I'll attack him for not following my advice and running a bad campaign that pandered to independents and failed to energize the base.

The future is unwritten

[ Parent ]
Yeah... (2.00 / 5)
You're a true believer too, Strummy ol' bean.
[ Parent ]
Someone on my timeline called that the most insulting comment (2.00 / 5)
made about another country.

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette
[ Parent ]
oh noes ..well diplomacy (2.00 / 3)
is not his strong point

"If you're in a coalition and you're comfortable, you know it's not a broad enough coalition"

Bernice Johnson Reagon

[ Parent ]
"Me" (2.00 / 3)
Hmmm...  Wonder how that will play.  Might be good.
Greatest Future Threat... (2.00 / 4)
Obama, "China adversary but potential partner."  Now we're on to trade.  "Ohio" "steel" "tyres" heh.
He's funny (2.00 / 3)
DanaHoule 10:14pm via TweetDeck

RT @JohnKerry: Mitt apparently had no binders on foreign policy



"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette
HA!!!! n/t (2.00 / 1)


"If you're in a coalition and you're comfortable, you know it's not a broad enough coalition"

Bernice Johnson Reagon

[ Parent ]
:) (2.00 / 3)
jheil 10:17pm via TweetDeck

Is there a chance that Romney thinks "tumult" is a Yiddish word? @JeffreyGoldberg
Retweeted by MarkLeibovich



"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette
Wonkette (2.00 / 6)

Mitt's wearing his "I'm being eaten by a boa constrictor" face.


"If you're in a coalition and you're comfortable, you know it's not a broad enough coalition"

Bernice Johnson Reagon

I thought it was intestinal cramping. (2.00 / 3)


"Conway, whom experience had taught that rudeness was by no means a guarantee of good faith, was even less inclined to regard a well-turned phrase as a proof of insincerity."  James Hilton, Lost Horizon
[ Parent ]
Omfg (2.00 / 6)
Romney is fundamentally unqualified for any elected office with international implications. This guy has no fucking clue.

Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey
 
WHAT??? (2.00 / 5)
Now Romney is trying to claim credit for saving the auto industry!!!!!

If it were done when 'tis done, then 'twere well it were done subjunctively.
Heh (2.00 / 5)
Romney just can't leave this Detroit bankruptcy thing alone.  It's a dad thing, I guess.
Let it Go (2.00 / 4)
Obama, just let it go.  "Airbrush history"
[ Parent ]
Make Us Competitive... (2.00 / 4)
That's the spirit, Obama.  "Now we've begun to make real progress."
[ Parent ]
Wow (2.00 / 5)
Laying out the case

Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey
 
[ Parent ]
Awesome line! n/t (2.00 / 4)


"If you're in a coalition and you're comfortable, you know it's not a broad enough coalition"

Bernice Johnson Reagon

[ Parent ]
Wrong and Reckless (2.00 / 4)
Income inequality.  Clear choice.  The pitch.
"Listen to Your Voices" (2.00 / 3)
"Fight for your families." "...privilege to be your president."
[ Parent ]
Heh (2.00 / 7)
I swore I wouldn't watch, and held off for nearly the first hour, then started reading the blogs and couldn't help myself.

Oh, well; thanks to the mute button I mostly only listened to our President, so it was good.

If it were done when 'tis done, then 'twere well it were done subjunctively.

Ari (2.00 / 5)
"This debate won't change the race."  Victory!
"This Debate was a Rout" (2.00 / 4)
Carville.
[ Parent ]
I'm off to bed ...will dream of battleships and (2.00 / 7)
bayonets

Thank you folks!


"If you're in a coalition and you're comfortable, you know it's not a broad enough coalition"

Bernice Johnson Reagon

Sorry I missed you during the debate. (2.00 / 7)
The conservative voice on the MSNBC panel is right: Mitt just said whatever undecided voters wanted to hear without any concern about his previous positions or his base.

I also agree with Rachel Maddow: doing that on matters of life and national security is a character that is by definition disqualified from national leadership.

"Conway, whom experience had taught that rudeness was by no means a guarantee of good faith, was even less inclined to regard a well-turned phrase as a proof of insincerity."  James Hilton, Lost Horizon

[ Parent ]
Thank You... (2.00 / 5)
Denise.  You instantly cured our collective indecision about live-blogging by posting this.  It was just gonna happen.
[ Parent ]
I wanted to spend a little time here (2.00 / 5)
with moose. I miss you all and it is my fault that I haven't taken time to post more often.



"If you're in a coalition and you're comfortable, you know it's not a broad enough coalition"

Bernice Johnson Reagon

[ Parent ]
That was a massacre (2.00 / 7)
Though I dunno if it matters. Who the hell could be undecided at this point?

Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey
 
freaking bouncers!!! n/t (2.00 / 4)


The future is unwritten
[ Parent ]
I'm Coming Around... (2.00 / 5)
To your point of view.  P M Carpenter is quite acerbic on the subject recently and it is a convincing complaint.
[ Parent ]
Wow, what a blowout. (2.00 / 6)
Mitt Romney shows up and agrees with everything Obama says. Spends the debate looking like he has to pee. Changes every position and edits his personal history.

And Florida Squiggle doesn't buy any of it.

"Conway, whom experience had taught that rudeness was by no means a guarantee of good faith, was even less inclined to regard a well-turned phrase as a proof of insincerity."  James Hilton, Lost Horizon

And Now... (2.00 / 3)
Portman trying to spin the bailout...  Again.  Heh.
[ Parent ]
Watching... (2.00 / 6)
CNN asking, "Did they sink Romney's battleship?"  LOL
[ Parent ]
Mitt Romey's biography in 2 lines: (2.00 / 6)
Made his fortune drinking other people's milkshakes

Lost the presidency with a fleet of imaginary battleships

The future is unwritten

[ Parent ]
That was pathetic (2.00 / 6)
Honestly, what the hell was that?  Apparently he agrees with everything Obama ever did but he might do some of it "stronger."  Just a sad performance (which of course makes me happy).
I think this will play poorly for young Buffy. (2.00 / 3)
If anyone was watching for actual foreign policy or leadership skills they saw it twice: once from the President, once in the mirror setup across the table from him.

The right may try to spin this well at first, but I saw a man who was watching his chance at the presidency slipping away.

"Conway, whom experience had taught that rudeness was by no means a guarantee of good faith, was even less inclined to regard a well-turned phrase as a proof of insincerity."  James Hilton, Lost Horizon

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Heh (2.00 / 5)
Democratic spin, "If the debate went on a little longer Romney would have endorsed Obama."
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That's a good line. (2.00 / 3)
That and the Romdenburg crashing today have provided some high comedy.
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"Romdenburg" (2.00 / 4)
heh

"Conway, whom experience had taught that rudeness was by no means a guarantee of good faith, was even less inclined to regard a well-turned phrase as a proof of insincerity."  James Hilton, Lost Horizon
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Ari (2.00 / 4)
This close to admitting Obama won the debate.
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Found this earlier (2.00 / 2)
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Great find! n/t (2.00 / 2)


"If you're in a coalition and you're comfortable, you know it's not a broad enough coalition"

Bernice Johnson Reagon

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LOL (2.00 / 8)

Obama seems suspiciously knowledgeable about foreign affairs for someone born here #debates @OnionPolitics


CNN calls it for Obama. (2.00 / 4)
48 to 40%. They note that their poll of likely voters who watched the debate is more Republican than Democratic.

If you play that to undecideds, it speaks well for Democratic hopes. The Florida Squiggle is key as well, those were (some type of) demographic who can decide this election.

"Conway, whom experience had taught that rudeness was by no means a guarantee of good faith, was even less inclined to regard a well-turned phrase as a proof of insincerity."  James Hilton, Lost Horizon

Obama... (2.00 / 4)
Wins C-in-C test poll by 3%, 63% to 60%.
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For Romney to get 60% (2.00 / 5)
is very bad.  We would have been able to breathe much much easier if he had scored below 50%.  The fact that 60% find him credible is worrying...and scandalous.

The future is unwritten
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Agreed (2.00 / 3)
I'm suspicious that the first debate polling massacre and some of this recent opinion reveals a softness of support for Obama that has little to do with substance or performance, frankly.
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The CNN poll was weighted Republican. (2.00 / 3)
"Likely voters who watched the debate", not 'undecided voters', and CNN said several times that there were more R and D in that pool.

So all it shows is that he did not do so bad that most Republicans would say so.

"Conway, whom experience had taught that rudeness was by no means a guarantee of good faith, was even less inclined to regard a well-turned phrase as a proof of insincerity."  James Hilton, Lost Horizon

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Good point (2.00 / 3)
or at least a credibly optimistic one.

I'll take it!

The future is unwritten

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Yabbut... (2.00 / 2)
The truly uninformed who didn't watch will skim the CNN headlines/story and come away with the impression that the Mittster didn't do too bad.

If it were done when 'tis done, then 'twere well it were done subjunctively.
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CNN's... (2.00 / 1)
Mission accomplished.
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For Example... (2.00 / 3)
"But since the first presidential debate, Obama's support among white voters has fallen beneath the range consistent with reelection...  Interestingly, these are Kerry voters so there is a good chance they may return:


From a certain perspective, the traditional Democratic-lean of the remaining voters on Obama's path to victory provides reason to believe that they might return to his side over the final 15 days of the campaign - especially in the northeastern states where these voters might be concentrated. This helps explain Romney's relentlessly moderate approach in the debates, since his path to victory essentially requires him to win Kerry voters.

Nate Cohn - Romney Has Historic Lead Among White Voters New Republic 23 Oct 12

Not pretty but certainly explains both campaigns' strategies in recent debates.  When Obama wins this thing it will be even more freighted with historical significance than 2008; Obama has been playing with a stacked deck but might win notwithstanding with a newish national coalition of voters.  This is the kind of thing Alinsky tried to teach.

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Saw this on DKos (2.00 / 3)
Heh (2.00 / 7)

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From Josh Marshall... "A Blowout?" (2.00 / 3)

According to the CBS News instapoll Romney won debate one 46 to 22.

According to the same poll, President Obama won this one 53 to 23.


Looks like CNN is also terrified (2.00 / 5)
at the idea of Romeny as C-in-C; this is how CNN is reporting it right now (updated 11:10 p.m.):

Headline:  "Forceful Obama bests defensive Romney in foreign policy debate"

Opening paragraphs:  "A forceful President Barack Obama put Republican challenger Mitt Romney on the defensive on foreign policy issues on Monday night, scoring a solid victory in their third and final debate just 15 days before Election Day.

Obama displayed the experience of a commander-in-chief in explaining U.S. policy under his leadership and attacking the views and proposals of Romney, a former Massachusetts governor with little experience on overseas issues.

Romney ended up supporting most of the Obama administration's steps involving hotspots, like the civil war in Syria, and preventing Iran from getting a nuclear weapon, giving the president the advantage in a debate in which his GOP rival needed to question foreign policy of the past four years."  

If it were done when 'tis done, then 'twere well it were done subjunctively.

The Bayonet Royale of Boca Raton (2.00 / 8)
lulz

Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey
 
push notification on my phone from CNN (2.00 / 5)
"No clear winner".

what a joke.

Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey
 

The comments on that (2.00 / 6)
are ripping CNN for its ludicrous spin.

If it were done when 'tis done, then 'twere well it were done subjunctively.
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"horses and bayonets" (2.00 / 7)
The more I think about it, the more I suspect that that particular line is going to do some real damage to Romney.  People who didn't watch the debate, or missed that part, will be intrigued by all the chuckling and snickering and guffawing, will Google up the clip, and will see, not just that phrase, but Obama's devastating snark about "There are these things called aircraft carriers where planes land on them. We have these ships that go underwater, nuclear submarines."  

That's the kind of cut-him-down-to-size ridicule that leaves a mark.

If it were done when 'tis done, then 'twere well it were done subjunctively.

Yeah... (2.00 / 6)
It was a bit condescending; but nonetheless deadly.  Romney is way too accustomed to saying stuff without consequence.  It catches up with him.
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Well... (2.00 / 5)
After a quick whip 'round the Web and listening to CNN I can't imagine how that could have gone better.  We are in the lap of the Gods of GOTV from here on out.
I found one UT San Diego blogger who said Romney came out miles ahead, (2.00 / 5)
nobody else seems to agree.

The best Romney supporters seem to be able to muster is that he was calm. A few commentaries have brushed aside content as being "tied" and focused on demeanor, quoting Chuck Todd as saying being aggressive is what you do when you are behind.

The most telling commentary is still the words of the conservative panelist (Rick something?) on MSNBC right after the debate. [sic]"Romney is playing to the middle because the right will follow him regardless what he says", arguing that Romney was not concerned at all with the words that came out of his mouth but in simply looking safe.

That, I have to say, is terrible if true. It is hard to come up with the logic that would make someone change all of their spoken opinions on topics as important as these to win something, no matter how important. It's passive-aggressive to the point of psychosis.

"Conway, whom experience had taught that rudeness was by no means a guarantee of good faith, was even less inclined to regard a well-turned phrase as a proof of insincerity."  James Hilton, Lost Horizon

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Post debate III scorecard from 10/17 (2.00 / 7)
Prediction: Obama A, Romney C.

1. Romney has only 6 days to prepare this time, versus weeks for Debate I. This would be adequate for a 30 minute business presentation, but not for a 90 minute debate.

2. Romney is possibly less knowledgeable about foreign policy than Paul Ryan. His international business experience is actually a hindrance to political considerations.

3. Benghazi has been neutralized. Romney will probably try to regain some mojo here, but Bob Schieffer will probably hold that discussion to 5 minutes.

4. Speaking of Bob Schieffer, I expect he will be largely effective and neutral. If his follow-up questions are even-handed, advantage Obama. Romney is way out of his league here.

5. Romney's largely Cheney neocon advisers are going to fuck him up. The Dickster could sound reasonable and informed while dishing out the most hawkish views. Romney can't get by the 3rd line of questioning on any FP issue. As such, his Iran sabre-rattling will be at best a draw.

Prediction:

Obama: A nothing but pluses across the board as long as Schieffer doesn't do a Hannity (unlikely).

Romney: C he'll just keep repeating his stump speech phrases. The Benghazi issue was their only hope and now it is gone.

Scorecard: Obama/Biden go 3 and 1. And it's always better to finish strong.

There was only one joker in L.A. sensitive enough to wear that scent...and I had to find out who he was!

I stick by my prediction of Obama 53/ Romney 43. I'll back that up with a Nevada screed tomorrow.

There was only one joker in L.A. sensitive enough to wear that scent...and I had to find out who he was!

You're Good... (2.00 / 3)
No argument there.  From your keyboard to God's blessed ears.
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NY Times eviserates Romney (2.00 / 5)
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10...


Mitt Romney has nothing really coherent or substantive to say about domestic policy, but at least he can sound energetic and confident about it. On foreign policy, the subject of Monday night's final presidential debate, he had little coherent to say and often sounded completely lost. That's because he has no original ideas of substance on most world issues, including Syria, Iran and Afghanistan.

Opening paragraph... and they get harsher as it goes on...closing with

Mr. Romney's closing statement summed it all up. He said almost nothing about foreign policy. He moved back to his comfort zone: cheerfully delivered disinformation about domestic policy.

Go read :)

"If you're in a coalition and you're comfortable, you know it's not a broad enough coalition"

Bernice Johnson Reagon

Ouch (2.00 / 4)
He really did look uncomfortable and spoke elliptically.
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Lifted from CNN (2.00 / 4)
From their selection of tweets:

Lone debate correspondent for Horse & Hound finally has a fresh lede.


If it were done when 'tis done, then 'twere well it were done subjunctively.
Favourite So Far... (2.00 / 4)
Of the reviews:


He criticized the president for acknowledging that America has allied itself with dictators and then denied that we ever allied ourselves with dictators and then praised the president for not sticking it out with fallen dictators. It was that sort of night. Romney was incoherent to anyone conversant with history, but I don't think he was any clearer to dumbasses.

All Things to All People Booman Tribune 22 Oct 12

At least the historical record will forever show Mitt unplugged as a complete ninny.

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Oh gawd (2.00 / 5)
This is why I love the Internet:  Tumblr is blowing up with horsesandbayonets.

Two cat-off-lap-scarers:

Photobucket

tumblr_mcckjxt8ZS1qitupzo1_1280

If it were done when 'tis done, then 'twere well it were done subjunctively.

That second one just made me blow coffee out of my nose. (2.00 / 2)


"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette
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Yeh (2.00 / 3)
It's the eyes that make it pop.

If it were done when 'tis done, then 'twere well it were done subjunctively.
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Awww.... (2.00 / 3)
A unicorn for the Righties, how sweet.
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Mitt Romney illustrates in song his military philosophy IN SONG. (2.00 / 4)


"I honor the place in you where Spirit lives
I honor the place in you which is
of Love, of Truth, of Light, of Peace,
when you are in that place in you,
and I am in that place in me,
then we are One."  Namaste Friends!
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