The Lounge: Pootie Help Requested

by: nannyboz

Thu Jan 10, 2013 at 15:04:43 PM EST



I could really use any input you can offer Mooz.

This is our sweet girl Sadie...
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She is 81/2, a beautiful smokey pootie who has always been so well mannered.  A little over a month ago she began to pee outside her litter box.  Not all the time but always in the same place.  At the time she had some vomiting but no more than what seemed normal for a cat.  However after she pooped outside the box, this was all in the course of a week, I took her to the vet.

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She has had complete blood work, urinalysis, stool sample, two ultrasounds, X-rays, a barium swallow, blood pressure check, and a thorough physical exam.  The barium swallow showed normal motility and no problems.  All studies were normal except the ultrasound which showed a little thickening of the stomach lining.

Sadie hasn't done this constantly but it has been frequent.  I took her to the vet again yesterday and the ultrasound showed what it had before.  Our vet, pooties only, who used to teach at Tufts, feels she likely had a gastroenteritis and that she was associating the litter box with discomfort so was going outside of it.  In other words the problem is behavioral due to discomfort from a passing physical ailment.  To that end she prescribed Prozac, Prednisone, Pepcid and Miralax.

One dose of the Prozac and I decided to put that on hold, she was groggy.  I have her in a big dog crate so I can watch her closely as we have other cats.

Here's where I'm confused.  We have five female cats in the house and five boxes.  The boxes are cleaned twice a day.  No change there.  This started three months after we lost our Toonces and she wasn't close to him.  It also started two weeks before we lost Pooh and she wasn't close to him either.  There have been no changes in food for over a year... nothing has changed.

I can understand the vet's thoughts about discomfort but since this was not constant I don't understand why, if discomfort is the case.

She is right now in her crate eating, drinking, purring, ears are cool, she's rolling over for tummy scratches, and she's peeing in the box but not pooping, hasn't in two days.  I called the vet and if Sadie doesn't go by morning we have to take her in to be sedated and depooped.

I've tried catnip to relax her but she isn't interested.  I am now at my wits end and would like to avoid having to take her to the vet tomorrow.  

Halp!!

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All ideas welcome! (2.00 / 17)


"Pin your money to your girdle and don't talk to strangers."  My Grandmom's advice when I went away to school.  I don't wear a girdle and have never met a stranger.  Sorry Grandmom!

Has her liver been checked? (2.00 / 10)
If I'm remembering correctly, my friend's pootie was peeing outside the litter box, and it turned out he had liver issues.  Unfortunately I can't remember anything more specific than that.  But it might be worth looking into if they haven't already.

Thanks Avilyn. Her bloodwork included liver studies and (2.00 / 11)
the vet looked at it on ultrasound.  However, I will bring that up tomorrow.  Thanks so much!

"Pin your money to your girdle and don't talk to strangers."  My Grandmom's advice when I went away to school.  I don't wear a girdle and have never met a stranger.  Sorry Grandmom!

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Aww, let us know how it goes. (2.00 / 7)
Prayers for a good outcome.

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Thank you, just had to give her meds. I should sell (2.00 / 9)
tickets.  She is having none of that!  Takes two hoomins to give a little pootie meds.

"Pin your money to your girdle and don't talk to strangers."  My Grandmom's advice when I went away to school.  I don't wear a girdle and have never met a stranger.  Sorry Grandmom!

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I'm so sorry, nannyboz (2.00 / 15)
My pootie Tommy began losing weight and vomiting a couple of years ago. He had all the tests, including a stomach biopsy. Everything was negative except for the biopsy, which showed inflammation of the stomach lining, cause unknown. The vet initially wanted me to take him to an internal med specialist in Denver, but I begged him to try something, anything, because of the expense and because Tommy does NOT travel well.

"Well," he said, "one thing we were taught in vet school is that you never give up hope on a cat until you've tried steroids." He gave Tommy a shot of long-acting steroids, and he was better in less than 24 hours. I've had to repeat it several times, and it always works.

I didn't have the problems with constipation or going outside the box.

As for food, I first switched to a grainless dry food, then mostly wet food. He seems to prefer the wet, so that's what he gets.

Home Veterinary Handbook recommends Metamucil powder to treat cat constipation. Serve the powder with the cat's regular dinner. Add 1 to 3 tbsp. of the powder to canned wet food or moistened dry food and mix. If the cat refuses to eat the food, then try milk of magnesia. Weigh the cat. For every pound that the cat weighs, give half a teaspoon of milk of magnesia. Only give it once a day. The cat will need to be wrapped in a towel or held in a person's lap and the milk of magnesia given by eyedropper or pipette.


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Thank you Kelley! She is on oral Prednisone daily so maybe (2.00 / 12)
that will begin to kick in.  Thankfully she isn't losing weight and the vomiting isn't often.  Sure wish the little stinker could talk!

"Pin your money to your girdle and don't talk to strangers."  My Grandmom's advice when I went away to school.  I don't wear a girdle and have never met a stranger.  Sorry Grandmom!

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The steroids she's taking might be constipating. (2.00 / 4)
They were for me when I was taking them to help during chemo. Always something!
Good luck with your kitty.

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There is this spray called (2.00 / 11)
Feliway. It's calming pheremones that only your Kitty can smell. Used it to get my pootie to calm down in a carrier. And it stopped him from "spraying " his territory after he relearned the behavior after neutering .

" Intolerance betrays want of faith in one's cause. Mohandas Gandhi "

I think I have some, will give it a try. Thanks! (2.00 / 9)


"Pin your money to your girdle and don't talk to strangers."  My Grandmom's advice when I went away to school.  I don't wear a girdle and have never met a stranger.  Sorry Grandmom!

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hope it helps (2.00 / 8)
Give her a head skritch for me  

" Intolerance betrays want of faith in one's cause. Mohandas Gandhi "

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Will do! (2.00 / 7)


"Pin your money to your girdle and don't talk to strangers."  My Grandmom's advice when I went away to school.  I don't wear a girdle and have never met a stranger.  Sorry Grandmom!

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Sadie's prolly not poopin right now (2.00 / 10)
because she's in a crate, a VERY unnatural state for a cat and one that requires her to be trapped with any poop that she makes.

My kittie will not pee or poop when he has to go to the vet....he unloads as soon as he gets home, and the vet sends him home early because of this.

I wouldn't discount the loss of fellow housemates as a source of distress for your baby. Even if she wasn't close to them, she knows that they are not there anymore. My boys have been known to go outside the box after moves or other living arrangement changes.

Another thought to try is to leave her litter box alone for a few days. Cats are strongly scent driven and maybe one of her late mates shared her box unbeknownst to you, and the new smell is putting her off.

Or maybe she's just being a cat...I've been pootie staff for lots of years and sometimes they're just goofy.

All best wishes...keep us updated.

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Thank you! (2.00 / 7)


"Pin your money to your girdle and don't talk to strangers."  My Grandmom's advice when I went away to school.  I don't wear a girdle and have never met a stranger.  Sorry Grandmom!

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My kitteh, Fiona, started peeing on our kitchen stove, while I was (2.00 / 7)
away on a medical stay some years ago. I get a frantic call from DH and our daughter, what could be going on.

So interesting that this is more common than anyone would think: it is in response to a kidney infection treatable with anti microbials. That is all checked, right?

Good luck, and keep us posted.


Ack! You triggered an old memory, Regina! (2.00 / 6)
Back in the old days when male kittens weren't neutered until the penis "matured" (whatever that meant) spraying after castration was often a problem. My parents discovered their Siamese kitten had sprayed on the toaster only after turning it on and filling the kitchen with the most rancid odor....

"Do your little bit of good where you are; it is those little bits of good put together that overwhelm the world." ~ Desmond Tutu

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Totally checked out. Thank you! (2.00 / 2)


"Pin your money to your girdle and don't talk to strangers."  My Grandmom's advice when I went away to school.  I don't wear a girdle and have never met a stranger.  Sorry Grandmom!

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What a beautiful girl. Hope there (2.00 / 5)
will soon be good news. All best.

I am a vet as I mentioned in my intro to this site. So if you would permit me... (2.00 / 9)
I like what your doc is doing.  She is treating the inflamed gut while starting meds to treat a possible behavior issue.  The Prozac can take weeks to get to therapuetic levels so you may not know whether this is helping for a while.  I have had some success with the feliway spray (especially when inappropriate urination is linked to a move or a new pet or baby in the house).
Inappropriate urination is one of the more common things we see at the clinic and can be one of the most frustrating.  
Let me know if you have any more questions.  I hope all the advice and support you have here helps but I can't think of anything I would do differently than your vet.  In fact, she did a great work up.  Great for her and great for you for saying yes, sometimes we aren't able to do what we would like to do or need to do due to cost.  It sounds like your cats are pretty lucky.  Hope she feels better soon.
Oh, I agree with the commenter above...if she can be out of the crate I would let her out.  Even if you keep her in a single room that would allow her to move away from the box.  Cats are pretty finicky about that.  

Thank you so much! Will do the out of the crate thing now! (2.00 / 3)


"Pin your money to your girdle and don't talk to strangers."  My Grandmom's advice when I went away to school.  I don't wear a girdle and have never met a stranger.  Sorry Grandmom!

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Took JK2003's good advice and moved Sadie to (2.00 / 5)
our bathroom.  She peed and pooped in her box, is taking her meds so hopefully she'll be better soon.  Thanks everyone for your help!

"Pin your money to your girdle and don't talk to strangers."  My Grandmom's advice when I went away to school.  I don't wear a girdle and have never met a stranger.  Sorry Grandmom!

Glad she pooped (2.00 / 3)
Always a good thing.  But it was ILS27L who suggested it first.  I just agreed.  Don't want to step on any toes.   Keep me posted...

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Yay poop!! (2.00 / 3)
Teamwork baby!!!....Teamwork!!!

Quick check......

Nope!! Toes all good!

Be better Sadie

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You're a good egg. n/t (2.00 / 3)


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Thanks and kudos to ILS27L! (2.00 / 1)


"Pin your money to your girdle and don't talk to strangers."  My Grandmom's advice when I went away to school.  I don't wear a girdle and have never met a stranger.  Sorry Grandmom!

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Saturday a.m. She peed in her box again so is out of (2.00 / 2)
the bathroom for awhile with the door closed to keep the others out.  Trying to ease her back into a normal routine.

Y'all are terrific, thank you!

"Pin your money to your girdle and don't talk to strangers."  My Grandmom's advice when I went away to school.  I don't wear a girdle and have never met a stranger.  Sorry Grandmom!


way late to this, (2.00 / 2)
but i didn't see what i'm about to suggest mentioned.

might want to consider trying a different litter.  a natural cedar shavings mix or anything that doesn't have chemicals in the mix.  i switched to that several years ago after having some of the same issues you're mentioning, and, fwiw, haven't had any issues since.

good luck!

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