Common Sense, 2013 style

by: Its the Supreme Court Stupid

Wed Jan 16, 2013 at 13:31:17 PM EST



Below is the White House Summary of the 23 Executive actions taken by President Obama today in response to the gun violence which plagues our nation.




Its the Supreme Court Stupid :: Common Sense, 2013 style
Gun Violence Reduction Executive Actions


1. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal agencies to make relevant data available to the federal background check system.
2. Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, that may prevent states from making information available to the background check system.
3. Improve incentives for states to share information with the background check system.
4. Direct the Attorney General to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks.
5. Propose rulemaking to give law enforcement the ability to run a full background check on an individual before returning a seized gun.
6. Publish a letter from ATF to federally licensed gun dealers providing guidance on how to run background checks for private sellers.
7. Launch a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign.
8. Review safety standards for gun locks and gun safes (Consumer Product Safety Commission).
9. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal law enforcement to trace guns recovered in criminal investigations.
10. Release a DOJ report analyzing information on lost and stolen guns and make it widely available to law enforcement.
11. Nominate an ATF director.
12. Provide law enforcement, first responders, and school officials with proper training for active shooter situations.
13. Maximize enforcement efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crime.
14. Issue a Presidential Memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence.
15. Direct the Attorney General to issue a report on the availability and most effective use of new gun safety technologies and challenge the private sector to develop innovative technologies.
16. Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes.
17. Release a letter to health care providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits them from reporting threats of violence to law enforcement authorities.
18. Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers.
19. Develop model emergency response plans for schools, houses of worship and institutions of higher education.
20. Release a letter to state health officials clarifying the scope of mental health services that Medicaid plans must cover.
21. Finalize regulations clarifying essential health benefits and parity requirements within ACA exchanges.
22. Commit to finalizing mental health parity regulations.
23. Launch a national dialogue led by Secretaries Sebelius and Duncan on mental health.

To call this "tyranny" is ludicrous beyond comprehension.  These are common sense, reasonable measures which are well within the established purview of Executive action.

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With regard to number 11, the President (2.00 / 38)
has nominated current "Interim Acting Director" of the ATF, B. Todd Jones to be the Director.  Will Harry Reid push this to an up-or-down vote?

I am for the individual over government, government over big business and the environment over all. -- William O. Douglas

That should be a good test of the new filibuster rules. (2.00 / 26)
I have a tab open with an article about the latest proposals for that and hope to be able to read it after lunch.

The filibuster has to be fixed for presidential appointments. We are not going to get anything done via legislation for the next two years anyway so it is less important for bills that come to the Senate floor. But they need to quit stopping the only functioning parts of government: the executive branch and the federal court system.


Words have meaning. Our words will reflect what is in our souls.


[ Parent ]
according to lawrence (2.00 / 18)
harry reid has a magic ability to approve appointments, or at least the ones that are not "controversial"

[ Parent ]
Ah, I see! And, of course, the nomination of (2.00 / 18)
an ATF Director will be deemed "non-controversial"

I am for the individual over government, government over big business and the environment over all. -- William O. Douglas

[ Parent ]
The nomination of the guy who empties the spittoons in (2.00 / 21)
the congressional cloakroom is not even non-controversial for those guys.  

Words have meaning. Our words will reflect what is in our souls.


[ Parent ]
It is NRA policy to have the Senators (2.00 / 17)
in their pocket refuse to allow ANY nomination for the ATF job to go through.

I am for the individual over government, government over big business and the environment over all. -- William O. Douglas

[ Parent ]
I was going to say "what an ignorant NRA policy" (2.00 / 14)
But that's redundant, isn't it?


Words have meaning. Our words will reflect what is in our souls.


[ Parent ]
Now let's see if Steve Stockman carries through on his threat... (2.00 / 30)
and submits articles of impeachment to the House of Representatives.  I really would love to see Republicans be stupid enough to impeach the president for taking actions that are both within the purview of executive authority and extremely popular.

I'm a Democrat.  Yellow.  New.  Progressive.  Blue.  Liberal.  Centrist.  We need them all in our big tent.

It's happened before, Mets. (2.00 / 24)
After all, if anything is both within the purview of executive authority and extremely popular, its a blow job.  :~}

I am for the individual over government, government over big business and the environment over all. -- William O. Douglas

[ Parent ]
let's not put that witness back on the stand... (2.00 / 19)


[ Parent ]
I was reading that House Republicans can't even find (2.00 / 25)
co-sponsors for the elebenty-gazillionth bill to repeal Obamacare. It is possible that the crazy train may not be finding as many passengers in the 113th Congress.  

Words have meaning. Our words will reflect what is in our souls.


[ Parent ]
It's the GOP. Give it time... (2.00 / 20)
If there's one thing that's predictable in modern politics it's that the GOP will never miss an opportunity to do something that's both stupid AND crazy.

I'm a Democrat.  Yellow.  New.  Progressive.  Blue.  Liberal.  Centrist.  We need them all in our big tent.

[ Parent ]
GOP done unpredictable/sensible twice in 2013, once: Sandy (2.00 / 15)
Yesterday, the House of Representatives finally voted to approve long overdue relief aid for the victims of Hurricane Sandy. That's good news.... but there's another important story about vote-the measure passed despite overwhelming Republican opposition. snip
Republicans have a longstanding informal rule [he Hastert Rule] that no legislation will come up for a vote unless a majority of Republicans support it. That rule...is supposed to prevent outcomes like the one last night, where a united Democratic Party teams up with a divided GOP to pass legislation overwhelmingly opposed by Republicans.
But last night they ignored the rule-and it was the second time they ignored it this year.

Jed Lewison over at the Orange Daily Kos on "GOP sends message" this morning Wed.


[ Parent ]
Second time ignoring a "must not ignore" rule ... (2.00 / 19)
... and we are only 13 days into the new year?

That does suggest that the coalition may be fraying.

This article from TPM was encouraging:

More than half of the GOP conference, they warn, is prepared to breach the debt limit - despite catastrophic economic risks - and many more still would be willing to let appropriations lapse at the end of March, to trigger the same kind of government shutdown Newt Gingrich lead in 1995.[...]

These claims are beginning to look like wishful thinking.

Over the past several days, House and Senate Republicans, as well as influential conservative advocates and media figures, have joined Newt Gingrich, Wall Street Journal editors and others pressing Republicans to give up the ghost.



Words have meaning. Our words will reflect what is in our souls.


[ Parent ]
I think #19 is sensible too (2.00 / 24)
19. Develop model emergency response plans for schools, houses of worship and institutions of higher education.

I know schools in NJ are already required to do lockdown drills once a month; this is in addition to fire drills.  I thought that was a little extreme at first, until my husband pointed out that the only way to get people to have a measured, non-panic response to an incident like that is to drill it in.  It's when people panic or break procedure that more people get hurt.  Something happens, lock the doors, get the kids away from the windows, etc etc., and wait for the all clear; do NOT go out into the hallway to see what is happening.  That sort of thing.  


Excellent point about the drills. (2.00 / 23)
If the kids have drilled it, then it is not scary when it happens in real life. At my daughter's school a few weeks ago, an adult was seen peeking into the windows and the classrooms went into a code. They have different codes for different things, designated by color: medical emergencies (so kids stay out of hallways), child out of control, intruder, etc. They drill often.

This one seems pretty helpful also:

18. Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers.

Some people are claiming that it means "armed guards in the schools". Actually, it is a police presence which our community already has ... but maybe they can get some funding for it now. They assign a local law enforcement officer in each school in the district. It serves two purposes:
1) so kids can see policemen in non-threatening situations, not just if they are called to their home because of domestic violence or if they are arresting someone.
2) to have someone available in case there is a problem that the police can help with.

That one officer would never be able to stop a guy carrying a bunch of assault weapons into the school (he is not at the door "guarding the school" but moves around within the building). But maybe the guy with the bunch of assault weapons will be less likely if some of the other initiatives are put in place.


Words have meaning. Our words will reflect what is in our souls.


[ Parent ]
As I understand it, School Resource Officers... (2.00 / 16)
... receive additional training that is not included in typical LE education.  This makes a lot more sense than what the NRA proposed.

[ Parent ]
The guy assigned to my daughter's school is well-liked by (2.00 / 18)
the students. I am not surprised that they have special training.  

Words have meaning. Our words will reflect what is in our souls.


[ Parent ]
From what I have seen, they get training (2.00 / 16)
in dealing with adolescents, not dissimilar, I beleive, to what guidance counselors receive, although not in the same quantity.

I am for the individual over government, government over big business and the environment over all. -- William O. Douglas

[ Parent ]
Obama was very forceful in saying that nothing will happen (2.00 / 25)
unless the citizenry at large puts on the pressure and makes it happen. How many Americans will see or hear that part remains to be seen. It is unfortunately in the hands of the media.

hell yes. (2.00 / 26)



"I spend my days and nights pondering the meaning of life, the state of the universe, and the Home Shopping Network." -- Donald Roller Wilson

[ Parent ]
mental health parity (2.00 / 15)
do tell, do tell.


I am sure (2.00 / 21)
that certain factions will find a way to use this to go full Godwin.

Seriously, the crazy is really starting to wear me down. Between the "impeach hacking at the tip of the iceberg" crowd and the "Sandy Hook truthers" I have officially reached the end of my rope with these people and am hanging on by a single strand.

Enduring security and lasting peace do not require perpetual war.

Barack Obama 1/21/2013


common sense (2.00 / 26)
...from Noah Pozner (age 7, b. Nov. 20, 2006; d. Dec. 14, 2012), days before the massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary:

"I just wanted to give you one more hug," Noah said.

"Why is your pajama top off?" his mother asked.

"So I can feel your heart better," he replied.

http://news.yahoo.com/newtown-...

Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey
 


:( (2.00 / 22)


Words have meaning. Our words will reflect what is in our souls.


[ Parent ]
absolutely heartbreaking (2.00 / 27)
this tragedy has affected me more deeply than just about anything i've ever experienced.  here i am, this scary guy with tattoos all over, and i weep EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. that i think about those kids.

at home

in the shower

in the car

at my desk at work

gorcery store

my chidlren's school

and when i drop my 4 year old Jack off at daycare

EVERY. SINGLE. TIME.

Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey
 


[ Parent ]
{{{{{{{{{{{fogiv}}}}}}}}}}} (2.00 / 25)
Just wanted to give you a hug.

Love,
ear

Ho'oponopono. To make things right; restore harmony; heal.


[ Parent ]
thanks (2.00 / 26)
i've been needing them lately.  so much so that jack and i have developed a new hugging system.  we now invent and exchange new hug types several times per day.

my favorites: the 'robot' hug, 'zombie' hug, 'animal fight' hug, and the 'baby squirrel dragon' hug.

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he's a real character.  there's literally nothing i would not do to protect him.

Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey
 


[ Parent ]
ha! The expression there is priceless. :-) (2.00 / 23)
Quirked eyebrow and all.  Love it.

[ Parent ]
heh. (2.00 / 22)
santa?  /not impressed.

Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey
 


[ Parent ]
I seem to be doing the same fogiv.... (2.00 / 22)
We care for our grand girls every Wednesday afternoon, and as we drove past the school today, so we would be at the house when they got there, because waliking home from school together is their new responsibility, I cried some more.....naughty little Ava is 5 and has just lost her first tooth, Emma is 10 and being so careful to get them home safely. I can barely breathe thinking of the loss those parents have sustained.

Have you listened to this John Fullbright song? It's been stuck in my head too.....Song For A Child



Love is the lasting legacy of our lives


[ Parent ]
I have. (2.00 / 6)
I've listened to everything of his I can find.  He's immensely talented.  factoid:  he's from Okemah, OK - the hometown of Woody Guthrie.

Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey
 


[ Parent ]
He will be in Seattle in March..... (2.00 / 6)
I'll be the oldest person in the room, but I would love to see and hear him perform live.

http://www.johnfullbrightmusic...

Love is the lasting legacy of our lives


[ Parent ]
I'll be seeing him 3 days prior. :) (2.00 / 6)


Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey
 


[ Parent ]
It never really upset me (2.00 / 6)
as much as make me mad.

I don't know if it's because I'm generally cynical. But my reaction was "par for the course in this country."

It's ad to say, but this is something I saw coming.

I'm too busy being angry that this happened and so many people seem resigned to it. Like we just plain can't do a damn thing about it.

It's embarrassing as an American.  


[ Parent ]
no words, just tears (2.00 / 24)
shared on FB.  

[ Parent ]
Is the he Santa or is he, was he, I dare not ask, tears start nt... (2.00 / 14)


[ Parent ]
I haven't clicked the link yet (should really be working) (2.00 / 26)
but there is a story I read yestereday where Mrs. Pozner talked about viewing her son's body:  
"We all saw how beautiful he was. He had thick, shiny hair, beautiful long eyelashes that rested on his cheeks. He looked like he was sleeping. But the reality of it was under the cloth he had covering his mouth there was no mouth left. His jaw was blown away. I just want people to know the ugliness of it so we don't talk about it abstractly, like these little angels just went to heaven. No. They were butchered. They were brutalized. And that is what haunts me at night."
Read more at http://www.inquisitr.com/46918...

I simply cannot imagine going through that.

(I have no idea why but for some reason Noah just stands out to me.  From the beginning his name hit me; I don't know a Noah or a Pozner but there's something about him that hurts me.)

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette


[ Parent ]
This is extraordinarily powerful: (2.00 / 22)
... His jaw was blown away. I just want people to know the ugliness of it so we don't talk about it abstractly, like these little angels just went to heaven. No. They were butchered.


Words have meaning. Our words will reflect what is in our souls.


[ Parent ]
omg (2.00 / 20)


Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey
 


[ Parent ]
I hope you won't think ill of me for posting this segment. (2.00 / 22)
It's a bit gruesome but I didn't think about how it might make other people feel to have it in their face.

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette

[ Parent ]
It's vital you posted it and Mrs Pozner said it (2.00 / 19)
See my comment below

The p***artist formerly known as 'Brit'

[ Parent ]
i think ill (2.00 / 21)
...but not of you, haps.

hugs.

it's so hard for me to think about.  honestly, i've considered talking to a professional about the effects this event has had on me. i am definitely not the same person i was at 9:00 am on 12/14/12.

i was a wreck pretty much all they way through xmas, and even now, just when i think my sense of 'normal' is returning...bam...something makes me think of it.  little things.  looking at a toy jack left on the floor...a commercial with a doe-eyed kid on tv...

wham.  just rips me up.

Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey
 


[ Parent ]
Give Jack and you and proudmama an extra zombie hug from me. (2.00 / 17)


"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette

[ Parent ]
count on it. (2.00 / 14)


Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey
 


[ Parent ]
"it's literally been hard for the nation to comprehend" /biden (2.00 / 13)
The day is always going to stick with me, for the contrast between when I first heard about it and when I actually stopped to listen.

All day I studiously avoided hearing more than "school shooting". I had a great deal to do and all of it extremely stressful, there was no way I could stop and add to that stress by finding out more.

By the time I sat down that evening to watch a little news I was hardened for it. I'm good at that, and thought I would be the master of my emotions.

The moment the age of the victims was mentioned - the very second - I was physically leveled. My breath rushed out, I sobbed in that way we all know where we start to worry we may not be able to breath again. Donna shut off the TV and sat with me and we cried together.

I will get teary-eyed over all sorts of things, but I haven't cried like that over anything in years. Certainly not anything that happened to others.

Neither of us is yet able to watch any of the coverage of the children and families. I just don't have anything like the emotional capacity to look directly into that well. Writing something like this I can do with just a wet cheek to show for it, but seeing the faces is more than I can handle.


John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."


[ Parent ]
This: (2.00 / 8)
... I haven't cried like that over anything in years. Certainly not anything that happened to others.

I think it might be because this actually did not happen to others: it happened to all of us who have had or do have kids in school.

Words have meaning. Our words will reflect what is in our souls.


[ Parent ]
No. It needs to be shared. (2.00 / 19)
The whole "angels are now with God" stuff really stuck in my craw. No. Butchered. And we better not forget it this time.

Words have meaning. Our words will reflect what is in our souls.


[ Parent ]
The descriptions of what happened to the 20 or so kids (2.00 / 21)
...at Dunblane 20 years ago was what finally put paid to any 'fun' aspect of weapons for me.

Mind you, my dad, who did national service, always flinched when we pointed even toy guns at him, and said you should never point a gun at person, even in play.

I've shot clay pigeons in the UK, buck rabbits in Utah, every time I've shot a gun, I've enjoyed the sensation of power, and rued what it must feel like on the receiving end.

I'm glad Mrs Pozner had the strength and courage to speak up like this. Target practice may be fun. The kick of the recoil. The feeling of power and accuracy. The smell of cordite.

But any soldier will tell you war is hell. And anyone who's seen the results of gun related trauma will tell you, these are not tools - except for lacerating flesh, splintering bone, tearing apart tissue and vital organs.

The euphemisms about sport and self protection have no meaning against a multi magazine assault rifle with dum dum bullets.


The p***artist formerly known as 'Brit'


[ Parent ]
these words of yours: (2.00 / 19)
...you should never point a gun at person, even in play.

come to me in the voice of my father and grandfather.  they said them to my bother and i so many, many times. i have said them myself verbatim, many, many times.  

Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey
 


[ Parent ]
I have a FB friend who suggested that instead of gun safety measures (2.00 / 12)
POTUS should make cigarettes illegal.  I pointed out equating the two was stupid to which she replied that I was right because cigaettes can't protect your family or provide food.  I responded that if you need an assault rifle to hunt you have issues.  And how would one keep that assault rifle secured AND handy at the same time.

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette

[ Parent ]
There's that slippery slope again... (2.00 / 9)
Why doesn't Obama make cigarettes illegal too?

Nobody is talking about making guns illegal.

Why doesn't Obama make cars illegal too?

Nobody is talking about making guns illegal.

If Obama make makes guns illegal only criminals will have them.

Nobody is talking about making guns illegal.

I need guns to protect my family and provide food.

Nobody is talking about making guns illegal.

But there is that Slippery Slope!

Nobody is talking about making guns illegal.

Rinse, repeat.

John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."


[ Parent ]
After all the hair-pulling and (2.00 / 27)
whining, I thought the president's points would be at least mildly draconian. These are all so utterly common-sense and very, very mild that it's staggeringly stupid of this country that they haven't all been in effect before.

But, of course, land of the free, home of the NRA-as-shill-for-the-MIL and all that, I suppose.

Even if the voices aren't real, they have some pretty good ideas. -- Anonymous


They are common sense, because they have to be. As for mild... (2.00 / 20)
... I think that, in total, they are quite the opposite (which is good).  These proposals are going to start conversations, gather data, share information, and lead to more action.  Again, the President is taking the long view on this, he had to.  

If he made any direct movement towards the 2nd Amendment he would have been pilloried by the NRA, the Rethug party, the RW press, and even some in his party.  They are still going to sqwauk, but each of the Orders, in and of themselves, seems pretty benign.  It's the totality of them all that I think is what makes them forceful.

My guess is that it will be a matter of months before the CDC releases their first report, I would imagine that the data is already there it just needs to be collated.  Once the reports start, the issue will be reported on regularly.  I don't know if you remember the news from the Viet Nam era (I barely do), the broadcast news networks would always have a graphic of the number of Americans killed and wounded in the war - even as a young kid it made my heart ache.  I can envision a graphic on the major news shows indicating the number of people killed and wounded by guns between the current CDC report and the prior one.

It will probably take less time before we start seeing ads and PSA's about responsible gun ownership sponsored by the government.  Hell, at the rate Limbaugh is losing advertisers I would imagine that many of those kinds of ads will air during his broadcast.

As I look at the list of these executive orders, I see them as a means to start the boulder rolling.  Once it gets momentum it's going to be pretty difficult to stop.


[ Parent ]
I meant 'mild' in the context (2.00 / 10)
of civilized countries where the populace isn't all heavily armed and crazy. As for here, that's a different story.

The very fact that these proposals will cause consternation and converstaion is good here, but the rest of the world looks at the US and says "WTF, why are you all so utterly batty over guns and killing one another?"

Even if the voices aren't real, they have some pretty good ideas. -- Anonymous


[ Parent ]
Transcript of President's Remarks (2.00 / 19)
From TPM Obama Gun Proposal Press Conference: Full Transcript

Words have meaning. Our words will reflect what is in our souls.


And video (2.00 / 15)


"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette

[ Parent ]
This is a typical Obama cave (2.00 / 22)
I.e. a mysterious open space which leads, through the darkness, in one unavoidable direction

Yes, it tips its hat at a multifarious constituency of concerns: gun control, proper school training, mental health. But the hard core of it leads in one inevitable direction

Firearms deregulation, like financial deregulation, has failed.

I'm particularly enamoured of 14

14. Issue a Presidential Memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence.

I've had too many conversations on the Moose and elsewhere about the relative crime and homicide rates between these two countries I know well: the US and the UK. An evidence based approach will starkly reveal to the inhabitants of my second favourite country the cost of a narrow interpretation of the second amendment, and an unscrupulous industry which, as tobacco did for many many years, wants to hide the external costs of their profiteering.

To put it in stark terms once again: 1.4 million Americans have died in gun related deaths since 1970 - more than all the wars of the 20th century combined

The p***artist formerly known as 'Brit'


Huh, I am confused whether the P*** is for or against the cave? (2.00 / 15)
It would help if my learned friend could explain if the cave in question is a cavernous open space which leads in one unavoidable direction*  or a cave in the colloquial sense of a surrender? Are we talking at transatlantic cross purposes?

*something caverns unhelpfully rarely do, leading to the allegory of the difficulty of finding one way's out to the Entrance, see Plato, or to the bottom of it, see Dante or to be more up-to-date, the Matrix.  

But I am being unhelpfully learned.



[ Parent ]
I was punning in a typically naff British way (2.00 / 16)
Of course Obama's caves are usually well planned passageways to getting stuff done

The p***artist formerly known as 'Brit'

[ Parent ]
You are in a twisting passageway of Obama caves. (2.00 / 16)


I am for the individual over government, government over big business and the environment over all. -- William O. Douglas

[ Parent ]
Learned friend has naffed things up considerably, yank says (2.00 / 14)
Naff: The word doesn't exist in US slang and defies the best efforts of my British friends to define it. They tell me that naff-ness is close in meaning to "kitsch

I am trying to embed but have been disallowed.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/note...

also Urban Dictionary, you-can-google-it:

British slang, today meaning uncool, tacky, unfashionable, worthless... or as a softer expletive, in places where one might use "fuck" as in "naff ...

Deep background BSRH and Peter Jukes have battled over Yank v. Brit usage and other Different Side of the Pond difference in the thread formerly known as FOTHOM and currently known as Murdochgate Investigators in the site always known as Daily Kos.


[ Parent ]
however... (2.00 / 14)
...something caverns unhelpfully rarely do

lava tubes in hawaii (fake birthplace of the antichrist) almost invariably flow makai.  so, psuedotechnically, obama's caves do trend in one direction.

:)

Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey
 


[ Parent ]
HI a fake state, for Cokie Roberts, on PBS, true National media. (2.00 / 13)
For for Cokie Robert, at least in 08, on NPR or PBS, true (and thus false) government very partially funded media,  he vacationed outside of the US during the campaign of '08, when in HI (or maybe saying goodbye to his dying grandmother, but she called him out for that . Just saying, all this IIRC.
So,  obama's caves trend in one direction only when he is out of the country. And the Press conference was in DC, except the Press was excluded, so maybe it was staged, like...I can't bring myself to repeat the CT garbage here....

[ Parent ]
Yes. Real 'mericans aren't born in Hawaii and (2.00 / 13)
surely don't vacation there ... as Cokie Roberts' last semblance of relevance circled the drain ...

Words have meaning. Our words will reflect what is in our souls.


[ Parent ]
What he said ... (2.00 / 15)
... nothing this particular president could propose, especially on this subject so close to their self-proclaimed right of armed resistance to policies they dislike, could be less than "tyrannical." It's kind of important to recognize that distinction between people arguing against gun control from the perspective of the Constitution and political system we have, and those claiming authority for the very different Constitution and political system they want. http://www.washingtonmonthly.c...  


"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette

That is so true!!! (2.00 / 15)
If he had said, "well, there is nothing we can do ... guns don't kill, people do" they would have had a press release denouncing him.

The NRA is not the problem, by the way. The problem is the obscene amount of money in politics. The NRA is what you get when you allow a political system where our legislators are bought and paid for.

Words have meaning. Our words will reflect what is in our souls.


[ Parent ]
Disagree.$$$ in politics solvable one obscenity @ a time, start w/NRA (2.00 / 11)
IMHO, I disagree the problem is the NRA as it is itself an obscenity, and one attacks the larger problem one obscenity at at a time. Here's how obscene:

today's NRA, widely considered to be disproportionately influential in politics, operates more like a corporation or politburo than a typical nonprofit or lobbying organization. Its 76 board directors and 10 executive officers keep a grip on power through elections in which ordinary grassroots members appear to have little say.
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Elections for the NRA board, which oversees the organization's nearly 800 employees and more than $200 million in annual revenues, occur annually for 25 directors, who serve three-year terms. The vote typically involves less than 7 percent of NRA members, according to past NRA ballot results and pro-NRA bloggers.

embed trial and likely fail:
http: www.Motherjones.com/politics/2013/01/nra-board-newtown-bushmaster

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Going after one obscenity at a time is an excellent strategy. (2.00 / 13)
And the NRA has made themselves the face of the fringe who refuse to accept sensible regulations. Their spokespeople keep digging themselves a deeper and deeper hole; every press release they issue decrying things that the American people support will further marginalize them.

The way to neuter an organization like that is to make them lose and remove their teflon coating. Grover Norquist lost quite a bit of his power in the fiscal cliff resolution ... the NRA will lose some of their power if we can craft legislation that even Republicans can't vote against.

The 23 executive orders are a good start because they undo many of the rules that the NRA thought they had paid for.


Words have meaning. Our words will reflect what is in our souls.


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What you said. (2.00 / 14)


"I spend my days and nights pondering the meaning of life, the state of the universe, and the Home Shopping Network." -- Donald Roller Wilson

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Obviously a common sentiment ... but bears repeating. :) (2.00 / 7)
The real conversation referred to by Captain Kelley has occurred and we have now moved past the talking-about-it stage. The president changed some rules via executive order and Congress is being tasked to create legislation.

The NRA made a calculation that this last massacre would be treated like all the other ones: quickly forgotten.

What they don't realize is that their reaction to it shined a huge spotlight on themselves and it was not pretty. The NRA is now inexorably tied to the extreme position that those 20 1st graders are simply collateral damage in the fight to preserve the "constitutional right" to own assault weapons.

It will be interesting to see how the 54% NRA 'favorable' poll numbers from December change.


Words have meaning. Our words will reflect what is in our souls.


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"Where no art of the late Grace McDonald is on display." (2.00 / 13)
... "When I visited Newtown last month, I spent some private time with many of the families who lost their children that day," Obama said. "One was the family of Grace McDonald. "

The girl's parents joined the president in Washington today at an executive office annex on the White House grounds, along with gun control advocates and children who had written to the White House since the Newtown shootings, as Obama unveiled the actions and proposals that Vice President Joe Biden has assembled in the month since the massacre.

"Grace was seven years old when she was struck down - just a gorgeous, caring, joyful little girl," Obama said. "I'm told she loved pink. She loved the beach.  She dreamed of becoming a painter."

"Just before I left (Newtown), Chris, her father, gave me one of her paintings, and I hung it in my private study just off the Oval Office," he said. "And every time I look at that painting, I think about Grace.  And I think about the life that she lived and the life that lay ahead of her, and most of all, I think about how, when it comes to protecting the most vulnerable among us, we must act now - for Grace."

"For the 25 other innocent children and devoted educators who had so much left to give. For the men and women in big cities and small towns who fall victim to senseless violence each and every day.  For all the Americans who are counting on us to keep them safe from harm," said the president, advancing the most ambitious gun control agenda in decades. "Let's do the right thing."

These were his closing words before signing 23 executive orders.

And dispatching a passel of legislative ideas to Congress.

Where no art of the late Grace McDonald is on display.

http://go.bloomberg.com/politi...

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette


wow (2.00 / 9)


Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey
 


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I am, for all intents and purposes, a Chirstian Socialist. (2.00 / 14)
because there is no such party or platform in this country, I tend to vote for democrats. I am critical, in a polite, ecclesial way, when proposals and legislation do not go far enough, in my opinion, to address root issues of poverty, education, health care, etc. I am also mindful of the context in which politics is done and work whenever possible to change the context, rather than fuss at the people working within the context. I also have little hope f changing hearts and minds on a wide scale and prefer to work at the level of individuals-not as quick, but more satisfying to me.

I acknowledge that this action by President Obama and the charge he has laid upon the congress is a start. But what I come away with is the gut feeling that the context and conversation about guns and violence in this country took a perceptible lurch back towards sanity today, in a way that may have electoral reprecussions and which therefore represents a courageous action in the world of political gamesmanship.

Bravo President Obama, a father and truly caring man. This country has bled enough.


^This (2.00 / 13)


Earth is the best vacation place for advanced clowns. --Gary Busey
 


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Lawrence O'Donnell did a fine job tonight on this topic. (2.00 / 10)
He had Gov. Dean on speaking the truth about the NRA and how NE gentle people gun owners are for the executive and legislative items put forth today. Reasonable people,wanting reasonable rules.

The most affecting moments were the comments by the Newtown superintendent of schools. She told the story so well. Nancy Pelosi was visibly crying, and clearly moved by what she was hearing.

We will get something done. Finally. Gott sie dank.


OT, but does your handle refer to (2.00 / 7)
the Sears kit houses of post WWII?

John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."

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A lot is going to depend on the gerrymandered tea party districts. (2.00 / 6)
The polls are trending logical nationaly, but we have a core group of people who are fundementaly parinoid, and some who are just fucking nuts.

Chris sorry to take so long, but yes and no. Our house (2.00 / 1)
was built 1905-1912, most likely the earlier date based on use of materials.

Regina is a Tuxedo kitteh who lives there. I have written about the magic of our house on the GOS.

I have a diary written about how the land is being abused by sprays and other ag products, which has forced us from our home. I need to get photos in it and it will be ready to go.

I wish I could have left those who read earlier diaries with the memory of a refuge, a place of beauty. So many of those who replied or commented appreciated the break from the vagaries of the day. They experienced what it can be and the refuge it has been for us.  But I think I need to speak the truth.

Thank you for your inquiry. And I love and miss my home.


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