Joe Biden Discusses Gun Violence: Updated with Video

by: GlenThePlumber

Thu Jan 24, 2013 at 12:56:13 PM EST



Cross-Posted from Daily Kos...

Gun violence has not stopped, neither has the conversation on how to reduce it. Today Joe Biden continues the discussion at WhiteHouse.gov.

GlenThePlumber :: Joe Biden Discusses Gun Violence: Updated with Video
Watch Joe Biden at 1:45 PM ET

Before Vice President Joe Biden introduced a set of ideas to help reduce gun violence, he kicked off a national conversation. He wanted to make sure that he heard from people from every perspective about the steps we need to take to protect kids and make our communities safer.

And that dialogue isn't over.

Today, in a hangout hosted by Google and moderated by Hari Sreenivasan from PBS NewsHour, Vice President Biden will speak with a group of Google+ users about the White House policy recommendations and answer their questions. And we want you to join us.

What: Google+ Hangout with Vice President Joe Biden

When: Thursday, January 24 at 1:45 PM ET

Where: Live on WhiteHouse.gov

Other ways to get involved...

Join Organizing For Action.

Writing a letter to your Representative? Everyday diarist Tom Begnal chronicles the carnage of guns, copy and paste the list into your letter.

Join and follow the Daily Kos groups "Shutdown the NRA" and/or "Repeal or Amend the Second Amendment."

I will try to embed the video when it goes live.

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Tips for reducing gun violence. (2.00 / 19)
n/t.

"No disrespect intended, please accept my apology and disregard my previous comments."~GTP

doesn't seem to work in the diary...will post here... (2.00 / 15)
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"No disrespect intended, please accept my apology and disregard my previous comments."~GTP

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It's working here... (2.00 / 13)
But I won't embed in case you get an echo version in case it self runs.  

The p***artist formerly known as 'Brit'

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note to admin... (2.00 / 12)
the Joe Biden part has ended...but am afraid it will keep playing other subjects...please feel free to remove comment and video...I wish I had put in diary so I could edit out...sorry.

"No disrespect intended, please accept my apology and disregard my previous comments."~GTP

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Heh. (2.00 / 12)
I was in another tab waiting for this one to load when I was startled out of my wits by Joe talking to me out of the blue. ;-p

But now that the livestream has ended, it's no longer playing automatically, at least not for me...

There are, in every age, new errors to be rectified, and new prejudices to be opposed. ~Samuel Johnson (1709-1784)


[ Parent ]
I have a concern that when another live video goes up on the (2.00 / 10)
White House feed we may get another video.  Will keep an eye (and ear) on it.  :)

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette

[ Parent ]
Thanks, Glen. (2.00 / 17)


Words have meaning. Our words will reflect what is in our souls.


the video goes live in 30 minutes... (2.00 / 14)
will embed if possible...and I can figure out how to do.

"No disrespect intended, please accept my apology and disregard my previous comments."~GTP

[ Parent ]
If you post a link to where it will be (2.00 / 14)
an Editor can help embed it in the diary.

John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."

[ Parent ]
You can only embed using the old embed codes. (2.00 / 14)
I am not sure that will allow for a live stream. Either way,  I will look forward to your report on it.

The Gallup poll was pretty encouraging:

Given the chance to vote "for" or "against" each of nine key proposals included in President Barack Obama's plan to reduce gun violence, Americans back all nine. Americans are most likely to be in favor of requiring background checks for all gun sales (91%), increasing funding for mental health programs aimed at youth (82%), increasing funding for programs to train law enforcement and schools in responding to active armed attacks (79%), and increasing criminal penalties for people who buy guns for others -- so-called straw purchasers (75%).

The item with the least support on the poll, a ban on large magazines, still had 54% approval.

Words have meaning. Our words will reflect what is in our souls.


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Hope you don't mind that I added it. (2.00 / 15)
I was going to diary this myself but you beat me to it.  :)

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette

[ Parent ]
ugh...I think I removed it...sorry... (2.00 / 14)
I will let you add it...probably safer...thanks..!!

"No disrespect intended, please accept my apology and disregard my previous comments."~GTP

[ Parent ]
I like that Obama is changing the mission of OFA. (2.00 / 17)
Now renamed to:

Organizing for Action

He has a great email list and committed volunteers who, like him, don't see the election as the end of something but the start of something.

One way to avoid a repeat of the 2010 debacle in 2014 is to keep people engaged for every election not just the presidential elections. And to use their energy to push at the congresscritters and write LTEs and do lots of other things that ordinary citizens can do to effect change.


Words have meaning. Our words will reflect what is in our souls.


Glad to hear of this. When my husband and I (2.00 / 16)
phone banked for PBO I was really impressed with the data base and computer programming.  We're gonna need that badly.

"Pin your money to your girdle and don't talk to strangers."  My Grandmom's advice when I went away to school.  I don't wear a girdle and have never met a stranger.  Sorry Grandmom!

[ Parent ]
We have a senior OFA guy in the original Moose Founders (2.00 / 15)
Step forward JSFox - whenever you've got a mo.  

The p***artist formerly known as 'Brit'

[ Parent ]
When I phonebanked in 2010 in Wisconsin, it was organized under OFA. (2.00 / 17)
It was a coordinated campaign to elect Tom Barrett as Governor and re-elect Russ Feingold to the Senate as well as elect our representatives.

The phone scripts were oriented towards "We need to elect congressional Democrats to help President Obama implement his agenda" and we were calling 2008 Obama voters, people who in theory would want Obama to, you know, implement his agenda.

I don't know how many times I heard people say "I only vote in presidential election years". Yikes! So you elect a president to "go change some stuff" and then disappear for the next 4 years?

We need to give the president true partners in Congress. We could not close the huge gap in the House in 2012 because we were in such a huge hole but we have one more chance, in 2014, for Democratic majorities like we had in the 111th Congress.

Engage people and turn them into supervoters. That's how we win governing majorities.


Words have meaning. Our words will reflect what is in our souls.


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Totally agree. What really amazes me are the (2.00 / 15)
folks who are "too busy living our lives" to even bother to vote.  A neighbor actually said this to my husband.  Meanwhile we keep plugging away at it, can't not try.

"Pin your money to your girdle and don't talk to strangers."  My Grandmom's advice when I went away to school.  I don't wear a girdle and have never met a stranger.  Sorry Grandmom!

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What I really like about the 2008 campaign tools was the independence (2.00 / 6)
The Obama Rapid Response group became my favorite and I ended up working with a small group to "lead" it. Included in the group were many of the most active bloggers and writers and I like to think we had some impact.

But the constant accusations that we were acting under some CT influence of Big Money or the Obama Conspiracy Kabal were the most amusing. Nobody ever paid me or any of us anything, and while we built some good contacts with people in the campaign we were entirely self-directed. Our opposition during the internecine warfare and then the general election often thought we were puppets but I can attest there was nothing of the sort.

We just made the shit up and did what we thought best.

An early moment that struck me was when a CNN pundit used the exact words I wrote a few hours earlier, when we were trying to find the best way to state something and push it at the media. I forget the topic, but it was one of those pivot points during the campaign and those words changed the general media discussion. It was a wonderful example of how individuals with no resources can impact large events.  

John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."


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Word went out... (2.00 / 8)
...and JSFox is back on the moose

http://www.motleymoose.com/sho...

The p***artist formerly known as 'Brit'


[ Parent ]
I'd like to see (2.00 / 16)
some serious restrictions on military weaponry for civilians. As a gun owner I've never owned a high capacity magazine or any type of military rifle. In fact I don't associate with people who go for such things as I believe errors in judgment are never limited to just one area. I don't understand the knee-jerk opposition to these restrictions either as they change nothing for the vast majority of law abiding gun owners in this country. But that I've sure seen, people frothing at the mouth at me (a gun owner!) because I'm laughing at their intense need for such things. I'd not like to see a repeal of the second amendment but if some reasonable discussion isn't had that's where we're heading. We clearly can not accept such carnage as an inevitable part of exercising Constitutional rights.

There's nothing like eavesdropping to show you that the world outside your head is different from the world inside your head.--Thornton Wilder

pretty much what he just said...pro-gun for... (2.00 / 13)
sporting and protection...but no reason for civilian to own a military weapon...force police to gun up to match the bad guys.

"No disrespect intended, please accept my apology and disregard my previous comments."~GTP

[ Parent ]
that's what (2.00 / 12)
she said. Bet you've heard that before on the job.  

There's nothing like eavesdropping to show you that the world outside your head is different from the world inside your head.--Thornton Wilder

[ Parent ]
Thanks, Glen! (2.00 / 14)


There are, in every age, new errors to be rectified, and new prejudices to be opposed. ~Samuel Johnson (1709-1784)

Appreciate the heads up, Glen (2.00 / 9)
 Nice to see a Diary about firearms not go downhill fast.
As some of you know, I am probably the opposite of most of you on this issue. I could argue each and every point, including the few that have been made here. But....I wont do any arguing here. There's no point. I have found that there are no meeting grounds on this issue. Time will tell,in the end, whether this whole kerfluffle changes anything, or if the 2014 Election will have been affected by it.
I will make this sort of statement though:
 IMHO, there will not be an AWB passed in Congress. Some aspects of the President's recommendations will make it through, none of which will be vehemently opposed to by the firearms community.The ones that pass will have no effect on the mass shooting incidents.Most new laws will have to do with the bureaucracy of things.The others will make legal owners slightly inconvenienced, but do nothing to stop criminal activity. I do believe this current discussion has already cost us in the '14 Election. Not that we will lose seats, so much, but rather we will not gain in ones that we might have.
 If anyone wants to argue, I'm not going to. If you want my opinion, I'll give it.
 That's all for now, I'll have to go and see what the Vice President had to say, after I finish today's work on the bench.
 

yes...purple is a mellow color... (2.00 / 11)
I will post the youtube in the diary when available...they say "momentarily"...maybe by the time you are done working.

I understand your stance on the AWB...I mostly disagree...but not completely.

would be interested in your opinion of the other stuff...I heard a lot I liked...nothing will fix everything...curious what you think.

"No disrespect intended, please accept my apology and disregard my previous comments."~GTP


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Thank you Glen.... (2.00 / 9)
I appreciate your willingness to write about this difficult topic, and I really appreciate the opportunity for a reasoned civil discussion.  

Love is the lasting legacy of our lives

it's my feeling that Mr. Biden is the man for this job (2.00 / 3)
he's so deceptively politically astute.  

i'm going to disclose something here, about myself, i do own guns.  one handgun left over from the days when MEs here in tx had to carry as they were considered (for a short time) LEOs.  it's locked up and taken out on occasion for target practice (at a LEO indoor range).  i also have a CC permit.  it does me little good since the sig stays locked up unless my husband and i are travelling a long distance by car or i may be out alone at night, something which almost never happens anymore.

i also have long guns.  hunting rifles specifically.  well, one isn't a hunting rifle, it was issued by the military during the spanish-american war and carried by the rough riders and their comrades in arms.  my father in law's father carried it in that war.  later it was "sporterized" for use in hunting deer.  it's an antique, still operates smoothly, and is the heaviest darn piece of ordinance i've ever hefted.  i can't use it, i'll shoot my foot clean off.  we keep it for the memories.  it too is locked up.  then there are skeet and bird shooting shotguns, a plinking .22 long rifle and another 30-30 for deer hunting.  all were owned by either my grandfather or my husband's father.  just to be clear, they are all semi-automatics.  and to be clear a semi-automatic means that they fire (when loaded) as often as you pull the trigger.  they are not, and cannot be converted to automatics and none of them hold much ammunition.  obviously the shotguns, all double barreled, each hold only two rounds at a time.  the .22, i forget how many rounds it holds, but it isn't more than about 6.  

now, the reason i'm disclosing this is that, while i have these guns i see no reason to have any sort of military type weapon that is fully automatic.  also, these guns are taken out once a year, taken to the range, fired, looked over by a professional gunsmith to be certain they are in good working order and then cleaned and put back in the safe.  (it's a bank safe and i bought from a pawn shop that used it for many years,  thing looks like houdini couldn't get out of it, but of course, getting out is easy, it's getting in that's hard).

if regulation comes down after all these tragedies, i doubt they will affect these antiques.  as for the handgun, if i'm directed to turn it in, i have no problem with that although it carries memories for me of the days when i was highly productive in helping the police solve some pretty heinous crimes.  i never had to use it and i doubt i could have actually shot anyone.

if regulations come down that does affect these guns, i'll be unhappy because of the loss of the guns that represent men i admired and loved, but, i would have no problem giving the guns up.  it's the people that used them that matter, not the thing.

i hope i expressed myself in a manner that fosters understanding of my gun ownership.  my husband was a green beret and he taught our son and his boy scout troop the military safety manner of handling guns.  i learned from my grandad, and then picked up the military safety of my husband.

i see no reason to own anything with a huge magazine in it, decimating forest creatures is not only ridiculous it's mean.  none of the weapons used at newtown were made for anything other than killing people.  i've had enough of the sight of gunshot victims to last me several lifetimes.  

anyway, sorry i'm ranting, i just wanted to let you all know that while i do own guns, i'm no gun nut.  i haven't purchased any since i purchased that sig for to carry on the job (years ago) and i see no reason to purchase any more.  they're memories now.  although i must say, sometimes going to the range and blowing targets up, is something of a relaxation type thing.  you know, picture someone like cheney on that target and "BOOM".  fantasy stuff.  i couldn't shoot much more than a clay pigeon ... i've seen too much human destruction from guns and i just couldn't add to it.

so now you know my shameful secret.  judge as you will. may we all have understand and a peaceful society where these items are never needed.

sorry, i didn't mean for this post to be sooooo long.  

Does the morgue wagon come with the job?


thank you for your comment... (2.00 / 3)
I too own a couple rifles...(1) lever-action...(1) bolt-action...grandfather's old hunting rifles...even used to live on a ranch that had a public gun range...worked as a jr range master...used rifles as a tool on the ranch...and did some hunting.

never needed a gun for protection...but can see the need for some people to do so.

Biden is much like us...maybe more active...and none of his proposals would hinder those uses.

some are greatly offended by the idea of registration...fear it will lead to confiscation...which I find a little paranoid...but it was not proposed anyways...although I would like to see it.

many do not like the AWB and claim it will do little to stop the carnage...which is true...but I think the mentality of many who buy the military type weapons is scary...think Ted Nugent...Alex Jones and all the other crazies you can find on the internet...probably shouldn't be even allowed to own guns.

limits on magazine size seems like a no brainer.

allowing the CDC and ATF to do their jobs...which has been hindered by NRA lobbying...also seems like a no brainer...we need reliable stats if we are to make reasonable and effective laws.

the help for the schools sounded good...money for counselors...safety guidelines...training to spot problem students.

he also spoke of the need of the police to arm up to counter the types of weapons used by criminals...how sad...we are in an arms race with our own citizens...something needs to be done.

"No disrespect intended, please accept my apology and disregard my previous comments."~GTP


[ Parent ]
i couldn't agree with you more Glen! (2.00 / 5)
over on FB, a former moose, is all up in arms about the proposal by Diane Feinstein regarding her list of guns that should be outright banned.  claiming he defends "all of the Bill of Rights" as his mission.  Bull.  there's no need for those guns in private hands and i'll never agree that there is.  

i wouldn't even mind a registration law, registering the guns i do own.  i have no plans to buy any more guns and i don't care if the govt knows which guns i do have.  i'd actually feel a bit safer because if those guns are ever stolen and used in a crime, we'd know where they came from and that would be a clue in tracking down the criminal who stole them in the first place.  it's actually a very practical tool for enforcement of laws already upheld.

Does the morgue wagon come with the job?


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I think I know of who you speak... (2.00 / 2)
I admire his passion...but we deeply disagree on this subject...toning down the rhetoric would be helpful for both sides.

the AWB had only a small chance of passing...and the mild filibuster reform passed...pretty much rules out any chance of it becoming law...I am hopeful for some of the other proposals.

when the constitution was written...they knew it was not perfect...times change...needs change...they included ways for it to be changed...not easily...but if the political will is there...

I can compare this battle to my dream for world peace...I would also like to see a world where guns are not needed...a gun-free world...I feel safe in saying...neither will ever come true...but I doesn't mean I won't work towards those goals...a little improvement is better than none.

"No disrespect intended, please accept my apology and disregard my previous comments."~GTP


[ Parent ]
my reply ended up in the wrong place (2.00 / 2)
it's under my own post. you and i agree on the toning down of the rhetoric.  

Does the morgue wagon come with the job?

[ Parent ]
i did learn to use guns for protection (2.00 / 3)
firstly on the ranch where all my extended lived, worked and played, we were often all alone mending fences, looking for lost cattle, etc.  really working.  you may have had a ranch vehicle (more often you had a horse) and occasionally a dog would accompany you if it felt like it.  no cell phones then, and even had there been radio reception there was spotty at best so cell phones probably wouldn't have been very useful. you carried a gun in case a rabid coyote, or other rabid animal appeared, javalina, or wild hogs were always lurking about and they had no fear of humans.  ergo, you had to protect yourself.  

fortunately, other than using my gun to kill a dangerous animal threatening me and/or my horse and a couple of times to put a severely injured animal down (it was impractical to try to get a vet out there) i never used it for anything else.

later, in my job, for a while it was felt that ME's should be part of law enforcement so we were required to carry.  most of us protested and finally, the law was left to languish and may have been repealed for all i know.  heck, the victims were dead and there were numerous LEOs around, what did we need a service weapon for?  

no, it's time, time to get some sanity into the country regarding firearms.  training, registration, classes BEFORE being allowed to purchase, classes AFTER purchase, and insurance.  all of those i agree with, and of course, NO military type large magazine guns.  it's just common sense!

Does the morgue wagon come with the job?


correction: ...where all my extended (2.00 / 3)
family lived.  my fingers aren't moving well, the cold is making my fingers stiff.  or maybe my fingers are trying to tell me to quit typing and get off the net LOL.


Does the morgue wagon come with the job?

[ Parent ]
i think we would all like (2.00 / 2)
to see a gunless world.  unfortunately ... btw, i like our mutual acquaintance, but he really needs to tone it down and become a more realistic with his rhetoric on this subject.  i consider him a net friend but on this issue, while we are not arguing or anything like that, we do not agree in the slightest.

Does the morgue wagon come with the job?

fierced for phenomenal (2.00 / 1)
thank you, Glen.  this may well be the only civil discussion i've read online on gun violence.  thank you for keeping this important issue front and center. :7

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here's the thing, Mooq (2.00 / 1)
ha . . . that was my PBO imitation. ;)

there are obviously layers here that we haven't had a place to discuss without incurring some un-chivalrous comments by very pro-gun rights folks.  

the easy access to weapons and ammunition is a big priority.

registration;

background checks;

types of weapons;

i'm confused about what exactly is an assault rifle.  (i thought i knew, but was informed elsewhere (in some detail) i don't.) if a weapon fires clips or magazines, rather than a single bullet, isn't it an assault weapon?

how many weapons are necessary to protect one's castle? ;)

this is just off the top of my head, but i think about the perpetrator of the Sandy Hook school shootings more than i want to.  i'm wondering if he was as confined to the home as i've read, and when someone is isolated, and over 18 (i imagine him playing Call of Duty or similar video games), is there any possible way to identify risk factors?


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