Where to now Yair and the Numbers behind the Israeli Vote

by: volleyboy1

Thu Jan 24, 2013 at 15:11:07 PM EST



Now that the Israeli elections are over the questions are just beginning. Questions such as, What coalitions will form? What if any change going forward will the nation face on such issues as The Occupation, the Economy, or on issues of Social Justice. These are all, of course, large questions and can't be answered now - but as the government forms it is interesting to explore them.

First however, lets take a look at the "numbers behind the numbers". The Times of Israel does a very nice job of breaking this down.

Likud-Beytenu (31 seats):880,972 votes, (23.32%)
Yesh Atid (19): 541,033 (14.32%)
Labor Party (15): 430,305 (11.39%)
Jewish Home (12): 344,028 (9.11%)
Shas (11): 330,359 (8.74%)
United Torah Judaism (7): 195,577 (5.18%)
Hatnua (6): 188,425 (4.99%)
Meretz (6): 171,660 (4.54%)
United Arab List (4): 137,983 (3.65%)
Hadash (4): 113,336 (3.00%)
Balad (3): 96,788 (2.56%)
Kadima (2): 79,064 (2.09%)

One interesting fact here... There were approx. 250,000 votes cast that did not count. Why? Because in the Israeli system to get into parliament, a party needs to cross a 2% of the total vote threshold. Those votes went to parties (22 parties) that did not meet that threshold and in Israel, that means the votes get tossed out. So... for the election:

   Out of all the 5,656,705 eligible voters, 67.52 percent cast their ballots in just under 10,000 voting stations throughout the country. The turnout was some 4% higher than in the previous elections.

   A total of 3,818,441 votes were cast. Of those, 40,464 were disqualified. The remaining 3,777,977 votes were legal and counted by the election committee.

   More than 250,000 votes were cast by people away from their local voting station, the majority of them by soldiers and the rest by Israel's diplomatic corps, prisoners, hospital patients and sailors of the merchant navy.

   The threshold needed to enter the Knesset was set at 2% of the general vote, which, in light of the number of votes cast, translated into slightly over 75,000 votes.

And yes.... apparently in Israel... People in Prison can vote.

So the question that people in Israel (and around the world) are asking.. Where to now, Yair?

In Israel's parliamentary system governments are formed by coalitions. The party with the most votes GENERALLY (but not always) gets the "first crack" at forming the government. In this case Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's Likud-Betainu Party won the most votes (and largest bloc of seats) so he gets first try.
To form a government the coalition needs to get to 61 Seats (out of 120 seats).

So far, Netanyahu has reached out to four parties: United Torah Judaism (UTJ), Shas, Yesh Atid, and HaBayit HaYehudi. The two religious parties UTJ, and Shas have both indicated an interest in being part of the government and both have stated a preference for the government to be led by PM Netanyahu. At the same time HaBayit HaYehudi (trans. Jewish Home) has almost been begging for a position in the coalition. Their stated goal is to make sure that the Prime Minister does not veer to the Center or Left when it comes to issues of security.

Now there is a certain degree of "bad blood" between HaBayit HaYehudi (H.H.) and Likud. For one there are sever personality differences between the Sara Netanyahu (the P.M.'s wife and Naftali Bennett - the leader of H.H.). Plus, Bennett is a competitor for the Hard Rights votes with the Right Wing of Likud which is most prominently represented by YESHA Council leader Danny Danon and Moshe Feiglin. All of these folks have as their top priority the creation of an Israel from the Jordan to the Mediterranean. But with these three parties, the government can only cobble together 60 seats total not enough to make legislation.
Into the mix comes the Centrist Yesh Atid party led by Yair Lapid (please use the link to look at their website for their main positions). Lapid has put three major points across for his party to join the government. The first is that the government has to initiate reform in the economic sectors of society and ease the burdens that the Middle Class have been facing. The second is that the government has to spread "the burden" of National Service out more equally and finally that the government has to do what it takes to get back into negotiations with the Palestinians.

AND THUS the chaos begins.... In order to join the government, Yesh Atid will have to compromise on at least ONE of these demands. That or Likud-Betainu has to compromise on some of their principles. As YNET puts it:

   Lapid clarified on Wednesday that he would not form an obstructive Center-Left bloc to prevent Netanyahu from assembling the next coalition. However, Lapid is expected to present two basic conditions for joining a Likud-led government: Equal share of the burden legislation and the resumption of peace talks with the Palestinians.

   Apart from these two red lines, Yesh Atid will push for a reduction in housing rates, education reform that will see core subjects studied in all schools and the reduction of the number of government ministers to a maximum of 18.

   Members of Yesh Atid's list are divided as to their potential coalition partners. Lapid himself has refused to rule out the haredi factions however members of his party estimated that passing a universal draft bill would be easier without the ultra-Orthodox.

   Others are less adamant about the exclusion of the haredim and are more concerned about working alongside Habayit Hayehudi. Leaving out Naftali Bennett's party, they claim, would enable progress in the peace process. They believe Shas can be a partner to negotiations on universal draft.

Now, can the government put together a coalition of just Likud-Betainu, Yesh Atid, UTJ, and Shas? The numbers say yes. They would have 68 seats. BUT, the problem for Likud-Betainu would be that any significant discussion on "sharing the burden" would be hindered by the fact that the religious parties (UTJ, and Shas) may not go for real meaningful reform. THUS, any true attempt at that reform could bring down the government.
At the same time, IF the parties go back to the negotiating table with the Palestinians (something the Religious Parties don't really care much about), the difference between Yesh Atid - who seems to favor a negotiated Two State Solution and most of Likud-Betainu which supports some sort of One State solution (although curiously the PM supports a very sad (editorialized) version of the Two State solution would seemingly preclude any agreement there. How would the afore mentioned Danon, and Feiglin handle working with their "Two State " companions in Yesh Atid... and vice versa. Of course, then the question would be... how would that work?

Personally, from what I am seeing - The Prime Minister is making all kinds of promises that he simply won't be able to keep. The only way he could do that would be to head to the Center or Left and include Labor but then he would splinter the Right Wing of his party and could lose half his seats (at least).
So here is where I get cynical... I believe (but I could be wrong), that Lapid is going to do exactly what Ehud Barak and Shaul Mofaz (Kadima) did and join with the government to "fix it from the inside". I base this on all the messages of "positive discussions" both Lapid and Netanyahu are putting out.

Of course, like Barak and Mofaz found out, those who wade into coalition, disappear into the pool of bullshit that surrounds the Prime Minister. He simply either can't or won't do anything that he is promising Lapid. Look what has happened every single time. He just cannot or will not deliver and thus the "great hope for moderation" will go down.

HOWEVER, I would be happy to be completely wrong here and hope that Lapid and his cohorts will "stick to their guns" regarding both Social Justice AND the Occupation issues. Like anything... We shall see.

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Thanks for the summary (2.00 / 4)
If it weren't from you and Strum I would have no clue what was going on there. Even with your help I am a bit bafflicious... :~)

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Heh... I think we are all a bit baffled here... (2.00 / 4)
But I appreciate the kind words.  

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In Israel, too, I bet. (2.00 / 5)
Israeli politics is confusing.  

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Interesting to compare the problems of having LOTS (2.00 / 4)
of parties with having only two that get many votes.

And an interesting tidbit: Did you know the Knesset is supposed to be temporary? Yup. It was originally charged with drafting a constitution for Israel.  It's been a lifetime. No constitution.

I lived in Israel and was Oleh Hadash, but was never a citizen. If I had been, back then (late 1980s) I was thinking of voting for Shinui.  

"Most people worry about their own bellies and other people's souls when we all ought to worry about our own souls and others' bellies" Israel Salanter


Really??? I did not know that. (2.00 / 4)
Ok because you mention Shinui...

When I was at Hebrew U. I did a paper focusing on both Shinui and HaTechiyah both small parties at the time (Shinui had two seats) and HaTechiyah had I think 5 seats - but I may be wrong it was thirty years ago but both became much more significant in influence).

In my studies I got to meet with and talk to Amnon Rubinstein and Mordechai Vershubski for a few periods of time. They were great guys. I probably would have been a Shinui voter myself had I decided on Aliyah.

As for the Knesset.... I did not know that. That is fascinating. Thank you for that.  

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OK, you got me to dig a bit (2.00 / 4)

Article in Jewish Daily Forward


"Most people worry about their own bellies and other people's souls when we all ought to worry about our own souls and others' bellies" Israel Salanter


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Man and people want more parties here (2.00 / 3)
That thresh hold thing is interesting.

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It is too low. The Germans, for example, use (2.00 / 3)
a 5% threshhold.  Tends to create somewhat less atomization.

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Agree... Then what to do with the parties votes that (2.00 / 2)
don't make the 5% threshold? What do you think?

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Hey. In Germany, if you don't make the threshold, you (2.00 / 2)
don't get into office.  It's as simple as that.  If forces coalition building.  Having such a low threshhold encourages atomization.  

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Parties can also sign surplus agreements (2.00 / 1)
where if two parties garner votes above a certain number of seats, they combine their leftover votes and the party with more of them gets the extra seat.  Some people take into account with whom a party signs such an agreement and it can affect a choice.  

So, for instance, one of the reasons I decided against voting Labor this cycle, is that they signed a surplus agreement with Yesh Atid.  Had they signed with Meretz (as they've done in the past) I might have voted for them.  But I wanted no part of Yesh Atid.

But these agreements don't really work for the tiny parties.  I'm all for raising the threshold.  CG has been advocating this for a long time.  

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Oh, and very nicely done V-boy (2.00 / 2)
It's hard to lay this much info out in such a clear and concise manner.  Tons of info and so readable.

Big hat tip and thanks.

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Toda Raba (Thank you very much) (2.00 / 1)
There is a lot here, I am checking the news reports every hour or so to see if there are new developments.. but isn't it like 2:45 AM now there?

I am seriously fascinated by this process... I can't see how this will turn out... Over at my blog: The Progressive Zionist someone made the comment that they would not be surprised to see new elections within by the end of 2014. I have to say I agree with that. They also said they couldn't see how Likud could hang together in light of agreements they may have to make. I can see that as well.

Very interesting times ahead.  

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From what I'm reading today (2.00 / 2)
Yesh Atid people want Lapid to take the Foreign Ministry over the Finance Ministry.  Apparently they think that, given the economy, Finance could be his undoing.

Aryeh Deri is claiming he'll stand firm on opposing the draft of Yeshiva students, making Shas an unlikely partner.  But this could be negotiation posturing.

If Shas stays out, Bennett likely will likely be in.  Bennett could work with Lapid at Finance or at education.  But how does Bennett sit in government with Lapid as a Foreign Minister pursuing some form of a two states solution, when Bennett wants to annex large swaths of the West Bank.

Without Bennett or Shas, Bibi will need Hatnuah and Avodah.  But how could he sell that to Lieberman's people?

Nothing clear yet.  The longer this drags on, the weaker Bibi will become within his own party.  If, in the highly unlikely event of another round of elections, there's a challenge to Bibi, who might it be?

Very sticky at the moment.

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Yep.. These are my thoughts as well... I cannnot make heads (2.00 / 1)
or tails about what happens.

The Right Wing here wants Likud, Yesh Atid, and HaBayit HaYehudi. That will pretty much make Yesh Atid's position of negotiations with the Palestinians go POOF! This is gonna be a heck of a mess.

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So helpful, so thankful. One quick question about sources (2.00 / 1)
Since haeretz is firewalled, where does one go to follow beside waiting on pins and needed for diaries here by your and Strum at the Moose?

YNET and Times of Israel are good sources as well (0.00 / 0)
Here are the links.

http://www.ynetnews.com/home/0...

and or

http://www.timesofisrael.com/

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