A Fun Exercise in Foreign Policy

by: volleyboy1

Wed Feb 06, 2013 at 13:30:56 PM EST



Over the last month we have discussed the Israeli Election and now that it has come and gone we eventually will at least have one diary on the results.

I am a junkie for "Political Compass" type tests. I think I know myself but I like to know where I stand. SO...

In emailing with a friend he told me that he took a poll at the Israeli Democracy Institute's website regarding Political Compass in Israel.

What happens, is that they ask a number of questions regarding your political thoughts and then place you on a grid to give you an idea where you stand. Now, for a couple of years I have always thought of myself as a Left Center type guy with tendencies towards social justice and/liberty. In commentary, I always said that I fit with either Avodah (Labor) and HaTanuah (Tzipi Livni's Party), SO... when my friend mentioned this to me I decided to take the poll and see where I came out.

Surprise of Suprise, there were seven parties in my range. The closest was HaTanuah, and AmShalem (this surprised me at first until I read up on them - but they didn't cross the electoral threshold so...) and then I was right in between Avodah (Labor), Yesh Atid, and Kadima.  On the outskirts was UTJ and Tal (an Arab Party).

The furthest party from me (and I am proud to say this) was Otzma L'Yisrael (Strong Israel - a fascist party that did not cross the threshold), Yisrael Beitanu, HaBayit HaYehudi, and Hadash. And then at about equal distances out of my zone,Meretz, Likud, Shas, Balad,

Needless to say I was pretty proud of this because this is kind of where I thought I would land. I am no radical leftist though I lean left, and I for sure am no Rightist. It was nice to see that confirmed. So pretty much I guess this dispells the nonsense over at Daily Kos about me being a Rightist. Where one Celtic Merlin had this to say:

"Lately - over about the last 12 to 15 months - he has moved more and more in line with Israeli hard-liners"

Whoops... Oh well facts are always pesky things.

Anyway, take the Compass test and see where you come up. You might be surprised (or not) and honestly you will learn something.

Anyway, here is the link to the test: 2013  Israeli Election Compass (http://en.idi.org.il/tools-and-data/guttman-center-for-surveys/2013-compass/) - Where do you fit in... Please let us know as well as your thoughts on that.  

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You need to make that a link. (2.00 / 11)
Link

I am for the individual over government, government over big business and the environment over all. -- William O. Douglas

How? I don't have that option anywhere. (2.00 / 10)


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From the FAQ (2.00 / 10)
How do I insert a link?

To insert a link use the code shown below.  Remove the spaces in the code, and replace the link and the text you want to show up in your comment or diary.

< a href="YourLink">The text that shows up in your comment or diary< /a>



I am for the individual over government, government over big business and the environment over all. -- William O. Douglas

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I learned a new way right here at the Moose a couple of (2.00 / 10)
days ago:

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Put your text that you want after the first bracket:
[Germany's Falling Birthrate], then add the link behind your desired text:

Bracket Germany's Falling Birthrate(space)http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/study-shows-germany-wasting-billions-on-failed-family-policy-a-881637.html Bracket

Germany's Falling Birthrate

Then bold to make it more visible, if you like:
Germany's Falling Birthrate

Wer kämpft, kann verlieren. Wer nicht kämpft, hat schon verloren.
                       - Bertolt Brecht


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Sorry, I don't know a thing about Israeli politics, (2.00 / 11)
so I can't contribute to the conversation. One thing here though, we try not to disparage other websites or bloggers, so as not to muck up our moose pond. Occasional mentions are unavoidable, but I'm sure you'll find the lack of rancor here very refreshing after a couple of days.

Welcome to the herd! :-)

Wer kämpft, kann verlieren. Wer nicht kämpft, hat schon verloren.
                       - Bertolt Brecht


Thanks.. (2.00 / 13)
I will not mention other places or bloggers again.

Looking forward to being at a cool place.  

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No problem in mentioning abstract debates (2.00 / 12)
Or indeed the recurrent problems and misunderstandings that disrupt them. But we do avoid naming other sites or individuals we might have interacted with there.

However, rest assured that casual racism, antisemitism, xenophobia and CT are not tolerated here, so for many people it is a safe space.

The p***artist formerly known as 'Brit'


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Thanks Peter... (2.00 / 9)
I will certainly honor the "Moose Rules".

I appreciate your last sentence so much. Thank you for that. To be honest that is why I didn't post in flameout that I was going to the Moose. I didn't some of the more unsavory posters to follow me here. They can go to my blog where I can delete their comments.

Oh and I did appreciate your comments there. I realize you didn't agree with me on somethings but at least you took the time to read the actual text. That is all I can ask.

So thanks for the warm welcome. I look forward to "Moosing it"

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Killjoy. ;~) (2.00 / 8)
I didn't some of the more unsavory posters to follow me here.

Among the Mod Squad I'm one who really enjoys nuking trolls. In other places where there is more autocracy I take even more immediate pleasure in it (gone, fuck you). Mods here always take a more tolerant and consultative approach to anything not blazingly obvious, but in the end the satisfaction is the same.

Best thing if anything like happens is just to leave it be. The lovely flame-back comments get lost when troll go bye-bye.

John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."


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Sorry man... Didn't mean to kill the buzz.... Heh ;-) (2.00 / 8)


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That's OK, (2.00 / 6)
I took my revenge on you in forced rhyme elsewhere... ;~)  

John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."

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when i cross-post, i say (2.00 / 8)
"orange" usually.
also hoping that casual sexism is likewise not tolerated.  

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Of course... sorry... oversight (2.00 / 2)
But I had in my mind what I'd recently seen on other blogs, and perhaps what prompted VolleyBoy over here

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I should have added this: (2.00 / 10)
I may not know anything now, but I'm looking forward to learning more about it from you and others. I'm a longtime expat, so I'm somewhat insulated from events beyond US and my host country's borders. Plus I tend to stay out of controversial threads on other blogs. ;-D

Wer kämpft, kann verlieren. Wer nicht kämpft, hat schon verloren.
                       - Bertolt Brecht


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I'm not gonna ask (2.00 / 12)
nor will I speculate.  I'll just buy you a drink to forget certain people, their enablers, and (my least favorite) the smarmy false "peacemakers" who are actually the worst zealots of them all.  I'd rather have a true enemy than a false friend, but I'm glad I have a place where there are other options.  

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Yesh Atid and Kadima... (2.00 / 9)
with Am Salem close behind.  FWIW, if I was living in Israel, I would have voted for Yesh Atid.

I'm a Democrat.  Yellow.  New.  Progressive.  Blue.  Liberal.  Centrist.  We need them all in our big tent.

I was curious about you... (2.00 / 9)
But yeah... that fits.  

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Way back in the day... (2.00 / 8)
before they moved hard right, I probably could have voted for the National Religious Party.  Of course that line now goes through HaBayit HaYehudi, which is a party I would never seriously consider voting for.

I'm a Democrat.  Yellow.  New.  Progressive.  Blue.  Liberal.  Centrist.  We need them all in our big tent.

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Mets is not a Labor kind of guy. (2.00 / 7)
I think his profile on the Israeli chart fits perfectly.

It is funny, I was watching this debate for Olim (Immigrants who moved to Israel) on YNET and listening to the spokesman from Yesh Atid I said... "OMG, that's Mets".

Did you take the test Rustbelt. I am betting you would be somewhere along where I am at.  

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I'm at (2.00 / 6)
the lower left corner of Am Shalem, above the horizontal axis.  Labor is right on my radius line.  

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Labor is traditionally fairly socialist... (2.00 / 8)
in the same way that European democratic socialist / social democratic parties are.  I'm a bit to the right of that economically, namely being a moderate liberal by American standards.  In Israel that would place me pretty much right in the center, as I tend to be a good government type and look for efficiency, whether from the government or the private sector, in the provision of most services.  I'm not ideologically committed to big government or small government, but, rather, efficient government.

I'm a Democrat.  Yellow.  New.  Progressive.  Blue.  Liberal.  Centrist.  We need them all in our big tent.

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Howdy volleyboy 1 - I have an ethnic bitch about stuff that seems old, (2.00 / 3)
but counting on my toe hairs is merely 521 years old. To save straining your eyes and bifocals , that began in 1492.So , it is with great solemnity and respect that I say I dig the troubles of your ethnic identity people - folks have been after Jews with a zealous genocidal goal for at least 10 times as long.And zeal to rival that of Colonel Sevier , General Jackson ,General Sheridan, others of great fame and wealth and prospering via doing bad things unto others. The more I read the more I see that people just naturaly can't let different people the hell alone - but I really do think we could learn to. Thinking of MLK's "I Have A Dream " speech , the one on that subject that has been most stirring in my own hearing , dang! It really takes little time , little trouble , little expense to smile and nod to That One as well as This One. Peace to you , to yours , to mine , and to everyone and the many they call Theirs.    

"COUNTY OFFICIALS TO TALK RUBBISH"- from 'Anguished English'

I can say I was in the upper left quadrant. (2.00 / 9)
Had a lot of "no opinion/don't know" on the candidates.

"When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in teh stupid and waving a gun" ~ Esteev on Wonkette

Same here. I had a lot of (2.00 / 7)
"don't knows" on the candidates and parties and was in the very left of the upper left quadrant. There are so many political parties! All I could think of was how long the debates would be with all those candiates, how many tv ads for each party, and all those robo calls! It made campaigns here seem so simple.

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Political Compass (2.00 / 11)

Moved a bit more towards the center when I checked "no" on "relgion and state" and "law and governability" - but I think those questions are unclear (is it important to me how?).

As far as the US Political Compass, here I am last October:



John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."


LOL Chris... You look a lot like me on both (2.00 / 9)
Move me more to the left on your bottom graph and very slightly up and you have me on the U.S. one (very similar to yours).

As for the Israeli one.... We are close to a total match. I am slightly up the Y Axis and almost exactly on the X Axis.

Heh... How did you get it to print the picture here. I tried to do it and failed miserably.  

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A few tricks. (2.00 / 9)
Alt+PrtScn to copy the current window to the clipboard.

In Paint, Ctrl+V to copy it in.

Drag it so the upper-left corner is where you want it (get rid of border, etc).

Click somewhere else, then drag lower-right corner until only the pic you want is left.

Save pic, upload to photobucket.

Insert in comment as follows:

<img src="http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn231/chrisblask/compass.png">



John Askren - "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk."

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I consider the Dalai Lama too right wing: (2.00 / 10)

That is my red dot from March 2011, right after the Wisconsin Awakening.

Economic Left/Right: -7.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.62  

Words have meaning. Our words will reflect what is in our souls.


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AHAHAHAHAHA that is good... (2.00 / 10)
On that chart I was at Ghandi (I think it was 5,2)... Heh.

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Hey, I ended up right near you! (2.00 / 2)
Although my numbers were:
Economic Left/Right: -9.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.97

Good company :-)


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I am still trying to figure out how I am so far down on the Anarchy axis. (2.00 / 2)
Is it possible I have a latent desire to overthrow the government and install a system where everyone is treated fairly? Maybe my insisting that we solve our problems electorally is a False Halo? ;)

Words have meaning. Our words will reflect what is in our souls.


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I don't see it as anarchy so much as (2.00 / 2)
government regulation of private life; protecting liberty.  I want the government involved in regulating business, etc., but I don't want government involved in who I can marry.  

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Chris , I took that old one again and showed up as a dot in the green (2.00 / 3)
three lines below the x axis and three lines in from the
-y limit. Over there kind of sulking past Mahatma.  

"COUNTY OFFICIALS TO TALK RUBBISH"- from 'Anguished English'

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Minus x limits , dammit. I haven't had need to talk math with (2.00 / 3)
anyone since my stepkids were refusing to do the homewrok in junior high school , back , ugghh years ago.

"COUNTY OFFICIALS TO TALK RUBBISH"- from 'Anguished English'

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I find it interesting... (2.00 / 7)
... with regard to the country I live in and love, I am firmly in the "Libertarian Left" quadrant.  With regard to a country I love and would love to be able to visit again forever the future, I am in the "Authoritarian Left" quadrant (although pretty close to, and not far along the x-axis).  It seems like others here are in the same boat.  Can something be deduced from that?  I wonder if we lived in Israel and visited the US if the charts would be opposite?

That's a really good question (2.00 / 7)
The thing is... the base in Israel is much more to the Left than it is in America. SO you get parties like HaBayit HaYehudi who are hard rightists but who endorse policies that are too the left of what Americans call Liberal.

I don't know the answer to any of that. But I sure like guessing.  

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Interesting point on the base... (2.00 / 6)
... I hadn't considered that as a starting point, but it certainly makes sense now that you bring it up.  I was noticing that there was only one Israeli party that could cater to my "American" (lower left) compass, but your point has clarified that issue for me.  Thank you.

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Thanks for the link (2.00 / 8)
I took the quiz just to learn. I know very little about the Parties involved, and only some of the individuals. But, learn, I did.
I end up in the upper left quadrant about dead center, whatever that means...I think its good, but I'm not sure...lol
Thanks again.

Oh yeah, I'm another one left of Ghandi on the US Political Compass.


Thanks for taking the test... (2.00 / 7)
I think you were near Labor, Meretz, and the Arab Parties, also maybe HaTanuah (the movement) - Did you happen to see what the parties closest to you were.  

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Oh bummer... Oh wait... If you click on them they are in English (2.00 / 8)
D'oh I forgot to mention that. It will tell you the name of the party in English and then you can click on where you agree and where you disagree.

I should have mentioned that. THAT will really help you learn about politics over there and what the current administration is looking at.  

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I couldn't find the one to whcih tyou refeerred so I asked the website to (2.00 / 3)
kindly spoonfeed it to me. Hope they will.

"COUNTY OFFICIALS TO TALK RUBBISH"- from 'Anguished English'

i did it! (2.00 / 6)
i had no idea what i was doing most of the time but i did it.

i'm with tzipi, upper left.  not so surprised.  if i only knew what it meant.

i tried to save the picture and utterly failed.    


Ok.. so here is how you find out what that means (2.00 / 7)
Click on the Hebrew Icons for the parties that are closet to you. In English it will show the similarities between your answers and the parties positions.

In this way you learn about your own politics and where they fit. It is also useful to see where those who oppose you stand. SO, for instance, I went to look at where Likud stood relative to my positions. As you can imagine we disagree much more than we agree. SO not only do I learn where I stand but I learn just what these other guys have to say, and where we differ.  

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I learned that I have a lot to learn (2.00 / 1)
about Israeli politics and events over there in general.  It put me in the upper left quadrant, but not hugely far away from the center of the graph.  Am Shalem appears to be the closest to me in the circle; the others were Hatnu'a, Kadima, Yesh Atid, and Labor.

Regarding the US Political compass, I end up here:

Economic Left/Right: -9.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.97

That puts me in the bottom left of the chart, almost as far left as you can go, and only a little up from the bottom.  Way to the left of Jill Stein, heh.  :-)


I was around where you were... (2.00 / 1)
Remember Israel starts far to the U.S. Left. SO, the compass' are not that similar.

On the American one I am 5, 2 (or -3) I can't quite remember.

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I was around where you were... (0.00 / 0)
Remember Israel starts far to the U.S. Left. SO, the compass' are not that similar.

On the American one I am 5, 2 (or -3) I can't quite remember.

Vote for me and all of your wildest dreams will come true!


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I was around where you were... (0.00 / 0)
Remember Israel starts far to the U.S. Left. SO, the compass' are not that similar.

On the American one I am 5, 2 (or -3) I can't quite remember.

Vote for me and all of your wildest dreams will come true!


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