Parroting NRA Paranoia

by: dear occupant

Sat Feb 23, 2013 at 15:48:32 PM EST



 
"Doctors have no business inquiring of patients
whether they are choosing to exercise their
constitutional rights," NRA spokeswoman
Jacqueline Otto said in a statement Friday.
"When a child is brought to a doctor, it is to seek
their expertise in pediatrics, not firearms ownership."

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dear occupant :: Parroting NRA Paranoia
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The above statement by NRA spokesperson Jacqueline Otto was issued on Friday, February 15th and aimed directly at the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP), for their decades old practice of asking simple safety questions about gun ownership during kids' routine check-ups.

"About 55 children die a week as a result of gun violence," AAP President Thomas McInerny told The Hill.

"For us, that's a big problem."

McInerny's group, which represents 60,000 U.S. pediatricians, has recommended asking patients about guns for decades in its clinical guidelines. The practice has a long history in U.S. medicine, McInerny said.

"If there's a gun in the house, a family member is three times more likely to die from a gunshot wound [than] an intruder," he added. "We advise parents about car safety seats, about bicycle helmets, and about guns.

It's just part of our prevention frame of mind."

If I had young children and owned a gun (I don't), I would welcome my pediatrician's questions and safety tips. As a parent and the person responsible for the safety and well being of my child, my question is why wouldn't a parent want to be asked and advised on proper gun safety and storage, what is the downside?

But as the gun-control debate simmers in Washington, conservative lawmakers said pediatricians go too far when they inquire about family firearms.

King, criticizing Obama's healthcare law, suggested that doctors' practice of asking about guns could ultimately help the government surveil citizens.

"What they're doing is compiling a record that, one day, the Obama administration or a succeeding administration could tap into," King said. "Who is getting those records? They will be in ObamaCare's database file. That's part of that."

"Are they going to start asking if [patients] are Republicans or Democrats?" said Rep. Trent Franks (R-Ariz.), another member of the Judiciary Committee. "Asking questions that are none of the pediatricians' business is out of bounds."

"It's not their business," said Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa), a member of the House Judiciary Committee. "It's like asking, 'Do people pray in your home? Do they voice opinions contrary to the [Obama] administration?'"

The black helicopters haven't been seen in my neighborhood and I don't expect them anytime soon. The fantastical leap from gun safety questions to political affiliations, religion and more Obamacare scare tactics is incomprehensible to me.

But I'm not paranoid.

Luckily there are some GOP lawmakers who see this practice by the AAP for what it is; prevention.

Contrary to many of their colleagues, some GOP lawmakers who practice medicine sympathized with that view this week.

"Our pediatricians do a fabulous job," said Rep. Phil Gingrey (R-Ga.), an OBGYN with an "A" rating from the NRA. "In the spirit of knowing that maybe there were guns in the home, to advise a parent or a legal guardian about gun safety, I think I understand."

"If I'm a pediatrician, I want to make sure the kids I take care of are safe," said Rep. Scott DesJarlais (R-Tenn.), a physician. "So having a discussion about all types of things ...

I don't have a problem with it."

Thank you Rep. DesJarlais, neither do I.
 

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and thank you (2.00 / 11)
President Obama for making assault gun availability a priority issue.

time...it seems to move so slowly until that day, when it doesn't.


The paranoia is deep with this one. (2.00 / 10)
They've convinced themselves the United States Government is their enemy.

The "fantastical leap"...they haz it...a lot.


i usually make an effort to at least (2.00 / 9)
try and understand a point of view or an opinion i don't agree with. but wading into this thick, a 'gubmint agent at every window trying to take my freedoms' just makes my head hurt.

total detachment from reality is scary enough if it's your neighbor, that it's elected legislators espousing these views, whether they truly believe it or not, is near insanity.  

time...it seems to move so slowly until that day, when it doesn't.


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So let me get this right... (2.00 / 10)
The NRA, from being a sporting lobby for hunters, has now morphed into an ideological agency advocating armed insurrection from a democratically elected government.

You know what Fox News would call the NRA, if they wore turbans?

A terrorist organisation

The p***artist formerly known as 'Brit'


*ding *ding *ding! (2.00 / 9)
Mr. Jukes i believe your comment won the internets today.

absoulutely FOX would run with that scenario, it's too bad Rand Paul already ran with the fictitious and fabricated Friends of Hamas moniker to smear Hagel. maybe FOX could call the secret Obama agents interviewing children for dark secrets, Docs of Hamas.

pssst....beware of that camera in the stethescope, sneaky buggers.  

time...it seems to move so slowly until that day, when it doesn't.


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Excellent points, dear occupant (2.00 / 9)
Doctors, in addition to treating us for acute and chronic medical problems, should be concerned with our wellness. Preventive care makes sense medically and financially, and helps to ensure that our loved ones will continue to have us in their midst, fully functional. When adults and kids have a good foundatiion of health, they're more likely to be able to contribute to society.

The trauma of a famiily member's death or paralysis or the combination of firearms + alcohol or drugs leading to homicide or suicide - these are scenarios that might be prevented. The NRA, however, considers this the price of living in "freedom". The good of society - near term or long term, is not their concern so long as their mission to arm every American can continue unabated.  

I never travel without my diary. One should always have something sensational to read in the train.


-- Oscar Wilde


yes CC, it's about preventative care. (2.00 / 9)
If there's a gun in the house, a family member is three times more likely to die from a gunshot wound [than] an intruder.

that's an astounding statistic and weakens the 'gun for protection' meme, at least to this parent. although i do understand why folks feel they need guns, it's just not something i could live with comfortably.

with more of the country shifting politically to the left/center, the fringe rhetoric of the NRA will be seen for what it is, ginning up fear and paranoia to sell more guns and ammo.

time...it seems to move so slowly until that day, when it doesn't.


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Even the nutzo Phil Gingrey doesn't disagree with this (2.00 / 8)
that should be enough to put the brakes on the whole mess right there.

Honestly people.


you and i would hope like hell, bill d. (2.00 / 8)
i'm rarely in agreement with anything Republicans or Tea Baggers have to say, but i'll give some credit where it's due. those of us who want to see sensible, safe restrictions on assault gun sales will need as many allies as we can find.

although Gingrey hardly looks 'reasonable' in that pic especially, he was willing to go on record with his opinion, probably tarnished his A rating with the NRA.

i have to say, if i were a woman i would steer clear of his office. :-/

time...it seems to move so slowly until that day, when it doesn't.


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I'm hoping the NRA's A rating is the new scarlet letter. (2.00 / 8)
tattoo it on their forehead.

;7)

"No disrespect intended, please accept my apology and disregard my previous comments."~GTP


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hey Glen, i know a few ink artists, i'll pitch in for the ink. (2.00 / 7)
i do think you are on to something, i was thinking about this exact possibility a few days ago. the more light we shine on the issue, the NRA and why it lobbies so hard to put more guns on the street and more profits in the pockets of their clients, the more toxic that NRA rating will become.

it's a long game, i'm in.

time...it seems to move so slowly until that day, when it doesn't.


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I made the mistake of joining in a kos generated (2.00 / 8)
...twitter discussion on guns and rape. Jeez. What is it with gun enthusiasts - same talking points, plus threats and insults

Not very persuasive in the long run

The p***artist formerly known as 'Brit'


no it isn't, not in the least. (2.00 / 7)
in fact it only serves to calcify whatever position you might have entering that discussion, looking for answers. the vitriol is as destructive as LaPierre's paranoia in the long and short term.

instead of lining up reasonable allies, they are creating committed enemies. it's just foolish and exhausting. that DKOS group and it's chilling effect on this incredibly important discussion contributed to
why many of us are here.

never in a million years would i post this diary there.

time...it seems to move so slowly until that day, when it doesn't.


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wayne lapierre was in utah tonight (2.00 / 6)
Wayne LaPierre tells Utah feds want to seize guns
The controversial CEO of the nation's most powerful gun organizations with about 5 million members also said such lists would be vulnerable to being hacked and could work their way into the hands of criminals - noting Wikileaks was able to access top secret documents.

"Picture this: your name, your address on a map giving directions to your home that could include a list of all the specific firearms you own," LaPierre said. "That's a pretty handy list if you're a seasoned criminal or a drug dealer or a gang member, isn't it? How safe to do you think that government list would be?"

right-click through, just for the photo of the 7yo w/ open carry . . .  


thanks for the link JK (2.00 / 6)
for some reason i can't grab that disturbing pic
but the caption explains it well.

'Clint McQueen and his 7 year old son Chance - both holding rifles slung across their backs as they attended a rally along with about 200 other gun rights activists rallied at the Utah State Capitol as part of the "National Day of Resistance" Saturday, February 23, 2013. Later a UHP officer told the father that Chance was clearly not old enough to open-carry, and the father carried two weapons the rest of the day.'

LaPierre has been spouting the
'government is going to confiscate all your guns' for 20 years.

here's a choice quote;

1993: Clinton's running a gun-grabbing goon squad. ''He [Clinton] kissed Sarah Brady at a rally, delivered anti-gun speeches and promised gun bans by the dozens,'' LaPierre wrote in an NRA fundraising letter, according to the March 10, 1993, Capital Times of Madison, Wisconsin. ''And now one of his first moves as president could be to turn his administration into a gun-grabbing goon squad.'' According to the January 7, 1993 Miami Herald, he urged members, "Only with your direct input can we stop President Clinton and his anti-gun allies from RIPPING THE SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHT OUT OF THE CONSTITUTION."

you would think that after 2 decades of being wrong, he would find a smaller and smaller audience for his fringe rhetoric.


time...it seems to move so slowly until that day, when it doesn't.


[ Parent ]
the gop in general (2.00 / 3)
has been wrong since nixon and they still get votes.  makes me pessimistic about humanity.  

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no doubt about that. (2.00 / 3)
i felt that pessimism all of last year during those horrible republican primaries jlms qkw. honestly i don't understand living with so much hatred in your heart, it's a terrible way to live a life and worse for those who have to contend with the consequences.

i have felt much less pessimistic since the reelection and very encouraged in what seems to be a real center / left shift.  

time...it seems to move so slowly until that day, when it doesn't.


[ Parent ]
North Texas Earthquake! (2.00 / 4)
A 2.5 Shaker hit 10 Miles South of Dallas

It made the local news, really.

Thank you frackers!

Take that you earthquake prone zones like the Pacific coast and Washington DC.

All early reports are that all are safe, not even a little woozy.  :P


10 miles south of Dallas? (2.00 / 4)
lucky for them EVERYTHING isn't bigger in Texas, that could have been much worse. very glad to hear everyone's safe though.

time...it seems to move so slowly until that day, when it doesn't.


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I think it was really caused by this earth shattering news (2.00 / 4)
Kinky Friedman May Run For Governor Again

Texas was trying to shake that moran out of its boundries.

Ugh.


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Sorry dear occupant (2.00 / 3)
I had meant to put this into the news thread.

Sorry for the derail.


[ Parent ]
don't sweat it bill d. (2.00 / 2)


time...it seems to move so slowly until that day, when it doesn't.


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